Rif: Re: MIL-STD 461 C
thank you to everybody who replied me on the forum and off-list. Now I have the standard I was looking for. Paolo ** Paolo Peruzzi Esaote S.p.A. Research & Product Development - Design Quality Control via di Caciolle, 15 I- 50127 Florence tel: +39 055 4229469 fax: +39 055 4223305 e-mail: paolo.peru...@esaote.com ** This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: MIL-STD 461 C
www.emccompliance.com on 6/12/03 9:26 AM, Paolo Peruzzi at paolo.peru...@esaote.com wrote: > > > > > > Dear group, > I would like to get the old broadband and narrowband RE limit tables of the > superseded MIL STD 461C, for teaching purposes. > Could anybody tell me where to find a pdf of that standard? > Thanks, > Paolo > > ** > Paolo Peruzzi > Esaote S.p.A. > Research & Product Development - Design Quality Control > via di Caciolle, 15 I- 50127 Florence > tel: +39 055 4229469 > fax: +39 055 4223305 > e-mail: paolo.peru...@esaote.com > ** > > > --- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com > Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc > -- Ken Javor EMC Compliance Huntsville, Alabama 256/650-5261 This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: MIL-STD 461 C
>-Original Message- >From: Paolo Peruzzi [ mailto:paolo.peru...@esaote.com] >Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:27 AM >To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org >Subject: MIL-STD 461 C > > > > > > > >Dear group, >I would like to get the old broadband and narrowband RE limit >tables of the >superseded MIL STD 461C, for teaching purposes. >Could anybody tell me where to find a pdf of that standard? >Thanks, >Paolo > >** >Paolo Peruzzi >Esaote S.p.A. >Research & Product Development - Design Quality Control >via di Caciolle, 15 I- 50127 Florence >tel: +39 055 4229469 >fax: +39 055 4223305 >e-mail: paolo.peru...@esaote.com >** > > Paolo: I'm sending you a pdf of the entire MIL-STD-461C. (If anyone else would like a copy, email me off-list. BTW, it's about 12MB.) Ed Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com WB6WSN NARTE Certified EMC Engineer & Technician Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (Fax) Military & Avionics EMC Is Our Specialty
MIL-STD 461 C
Dear group, I would like to get the old broadband and narrowband RE limit tables of the superseded MIL STD 461C, for teaching purposes. Could anybody tell me where to find a pdf of that standard? Thanks, Paolo ** Paolo Peruzzi Esaote S.p.A. Research & Product Development - Design Quality Control via di Caciolle, 15 I- 50127 Florence tel: +39 055 4229469 fax: +39 055 4223305 e-mail: paolo.peru...@esaote.com ** This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: MIL-STD-461 C vs D
Dave: I just got a copy of the draft, so I don't know much about any changes yet. You are right about the merger. However, D was a sweeping change against C, and you have to read the very fine print to discover the compulsions behind the madness behind the Methods. ;-) Ed From: "Brumbaugh, David" Subject: RE: MIL-STD-461 C vs D Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:02:10 -0800 To: 'emc-pstc' , "'ed.pr...@cubic.com'" > As I understand it, 461E will simply merge 461 and 462 into a single > interface standard. There is no plan to change the requirements or test > methods unless there is a very compelling reason to do so. > > DB > > > > All those still studying 461D/462D will be very happy to know that drafts > > of 461E are now circulating. Merry Christmas! > > > > Regards, > > > > Ed > > > > -- > > Ed Price > > ed.pr...@cubic.com > > Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab > > Cubic Defense Systems > > San Diego, CA. USA > > 619-505-2780 > > Date: 12/11/1998 > > Time: 12:42:15 > > -- > > > > > ---End of Original Message- -- Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 619-505-2780 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 12/11/1998 Time: 13:34:27 -- - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: MIL-STD-461 C vs D
From: Anthony Guinto Subject: Re: MIL-STD-461 C vs D Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:51:23 -0800 To: "Brumbaugh, David" , 'emc-pstc' > Hello > > Here is the basics on 461D > > MIL-STD-461 D > EMI > CE101 replaces CE01 > CE102 up to 10MHz No Narrow or Wide band only Peak Band. Ummm, just a slight correction here, Tony. The requirement for classification of all emissions into either Narrowband or Broadband categories was dropped. Instead, they specified the measurement (resolution) bandwidths, scan speeds and the detector function (Peak) and dwell times for all emission frequencies. Regards, Ed -- Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 619-505-2780 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 12/11/1998 Time: 12:45:42 -- - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: MIL-STD-461 C vs D
As I understand it, 461E will simply merge 461 and 462 into a single interface standard. There is no plan to change the requirements or test methods unless there is a very compelling reason to do so. DB > All those still studying 461D/462D will be very happy to know that drafts of > 461E are now circulating. Merry Christmas! > > Regards, > > Ed > > -- > Ed Price > ed.pr...@cubic.com > Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab > Cubic Defense Systems > San Diego, CA. USA > 619-505-2780 > Date: 12/11/1998 > Time: 12:42:15 > -- > > - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: MIL-STD-461 C vs D
From: "Brumbaugh, David" Subject: MIL-STD-461 C vs D Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:34:44 -0800 To: 'emc-pstc' > Hi group, > Here's one for all of you that make products for US military/gov't > customers: > > I was reviewing MIL-STD-461D (I know, a little late to be commenting at this > point) > David Brumbaugh > The Boeing Company > Phantom Works - Electromagnetic Effects > M/C 8H-11 > POB 3999 Seattle, WA 98124-2499 > Phone:253-773-3733 > Pager:800-759-7243, PIN 5474642# > Fax: 253-773-4173 All those still studying 461D/462D will be very happy to know that drafts of 461E are now circulating. Merry Christmas! Regards, Ed -- Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 619-505-2780 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 12/11/1998 Time: 12:42:15 -- - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: MIL-STD-461 C vs D
Hello Here is the basics on 461D MIL-STD-461 D EMI CE101 replaces CE01 CE102 up to 10MHz No Narrow or Wide band only Peak Band. CE03 test is gone CE07 test is gone CS101 replaces CS01 CS02 test is gone CS06 test is gone CS114 Bulk Current Injection is combo replacement of CS02 whole sprectrum & RS03 low end sprectrum RE101 was 50KHz now 100KHz replaces RE01 RE102 up to 18 GHz replaces RE02 RS101 was 50KHz now 100KHz replaces RS01 RS02 test is gone RS103 replaces RS03 At 07:34 AM 12/9/98 -0800, Brumbaugh, David wrote: >Hi group, > >Here's one for all of you that make products for US military/gov't >customers: > >I was reviewing MIL-STD-461D (I know, a little late to be commenting at this >point) and I noticed that although CS101 in -461D corresponds to CS01 in >-461C, there is no counterpart to -461C's CS02 requirement. In other words, >the conducted susceptibility test on power leads has been deleted above 50 >kHz in -461D. The bulk current injection test (CS114) covers the range up to >to 400 MHz, but that is a common mode test, and doesn't necessarily impose >the voltage levels that can be present on a power bus above 50 kHz. In my >experience, most of the noise that is of concern ranges between 50 kHz, and >a few megahertz, especially with the switching frequencies used in today's >power supplies. > >Is anyone else concerned about this? Is there some rationale that supports >the -461D version in this regard? There is no discussion on this in the >application guide to -461D. I'd be interested in any comments or shared >concern out there. > >Thanks in advance > > >David Brumbaugh >The Boeing Company >Phantom Works - Electromagnetic Effects >M/C 8H-11 >POB 3999 Seattle, WA 98124-2499 >Phone: 253-773-3733 >Pager: 800-759-7243, PIN 5474642# >Fax: 253-773-4173 > > >- >This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. >To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org >with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the >quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, >j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or >roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
MIL-STD-461 C vs D
Hi group, Here's one for all of you that make products for US military/gov't customers: I was reviewing MIL-STD-461D (I know, a little late to be commenting at this point) and I noticed that although CS101 in -461D corresponds to CS01 in -461C, there is no counterpart to -461C's CS02 requirement. In other words, the conducted susceptibility test on power leads has been deleted above 50 kHz in -461D. The bulk current injection test (CS114) covers the range up to to 400 MHz, but that is a common mode test, and doesn't necessarily impose the voltage levels that can be present on a power bus above 50 kHz. In my experience, most of the noise that is of concern ranges between 50 kHz, and a few megahertz, especially with the switching frequencies used in today's power supplies. Is anyone else concerned about this? Is there some rationale that supports the -461D version in this regard? There is no discussion on this in the application guide to -461D. I'd be interested in any comments or shared concern out there. Thanks in advance David Brumbaugh The Boeing Company Phantom Works - Electromagnetic Effects M/C 8H-11 POB 3999 Seattle, WA 98124-2499 Phone: 253-773-3733 Pager: 800-759-7243, PIN 5474642# Fax:253-773-4173 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
