RE: 8591EM monitor output (thanks)

2000-07-31 Thread Bailey, Jeff

Thanks to all that responded.  I did buy a modulator and of course that's
all I needed.
wow, that 19 tv sure is a welcome improvement over the standard display.

cheers,

Jeff



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Re: 8591EM monitor output

2000-07-26 Thread Patrick Lawler

I've connected a video monitor (not a television) to our 8591EM with no
problems.
This is the monitor style used for looking at the video on the back of your VCR
(the RCA jack next to the sound jacks).  I think the signal is referred to as
'RS-170' video.  No RF modulator is needed for this application.
The big 12 screen is a welcome change from 4 screen on the analyzer.

You might be able to use a television that has a separate monitor input.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:26:00 -0400,  Bailey; Jeff jbai...@mysst.com wrote:
Have any of you successfully hooked up a television to an HP8590 series EMC 
analyzer?  The monitor output does provide NTSC format, I am now assuming 
that I need to provide a carrier for the monitor output to ride on in order 
for the TV to see the NTSC signal and know what to do with it.  Is there an 
easier way to do this than to build my own modulator?
 
Thanks,
 
Jeff Bailey
Compliance Engineering
SST - A Division of Woodhead Canada
Phone: (519) 725 5136 ext. 363
Fax: (519) 725 1515
Email: jbai...@sstech.on.ca
Web: www.sstech.on.ca


Patrick Lawler
plaw...@west.net

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Re: 8591EM monitor output

2000-07-26 Thread Nick Rouse

Mark
You forget the most important difference from which PAL takes its
name. The alternating phase of the colour subcarrier each line. To overcome
the colour errors that reflections cause in the NTSC system, the PAL system
puts a 180° phase shift in one of the two chrominance modulating components
each line. In the receiver a  one line period delay line, originally an
acoustic
glass delay line but now done digitally, is used to average the colour
signal
over two lines. This means that phase shifts caused by reflections and which
last for more than 128µs cancel out. This reduces vertical colour resolution
but since horizontal colour resolution has been filtered down to reduce the
chrominance bandwidth this is not a very peceivable degradation and well
worth it for the colour stability. This better system was the result of
being
late into colour television system after North America had found the
problems, It's the second mouse that gets the cheese! A result of this
system
needing a very accurate line delay (to within small fractions of a
subcarrier
period) is that both the vertical and horizontal synch locks are very tight
on
monitors and recievers built for PAL colour and even if you go in at
baseband video via the SCART socket found on most sets, they will not
lock up the NTSC derived baseband video as monitors used to do in
monochrome days. I used to work designing telvision equipment such as
standards converters and it is no small problem.

Nick Rouse

- Original Message -
From: CARTER 
To: 'Tony J. O'Hara' ; Bailey, Jeff jbai...@mysst.com
Cc: 'emc-pstc' 
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 10:47 PM
Subject: RE: 8591EM monitor output




 The differences between PAL  NTSC go way beyond modulating RF. Even at
 baseband, the monitors will be different  one may not work with the
other's
 signal. The Frame rate, or vertical interval is different - NTSC based on
 North American AC at 60 Hz, as opposed to European 50 Hz, and the
Horizontal
 sync is different, as a result of being harmonically related to the
vertical
 sync. There is an issue (probably not with the signals in question) with
the
 color sub-carrier frequency offset from the video carrier, and the fact
that
 (because of the aforementioned) the video (baseband) bandwidth for PAL is
 much wider than NTSC. A monitor may work with the other format if it is a
 little forgiving (has some slop built into the sync'ing circuits). Give it
a
 shot with whatever is on hand, then go shopping if need be.

 IMHO
   _\\|//_
  (' O-O ')
 ooO-(_)-Ooo

 Mark Carter
 AM Communications, Inc.
 car...@amcomm.com mailto:car...@amcomm.com
 Voice: 215-538-8710
 Fax:   215-538-8779


 -Original Message-
 From: Tony J. O'Hara [mailto:tonyoh...@compuserve.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 12:24 PM
 To: Bailey, Jeff
 Cc: 'emc-pstc'; 'brian.mcauli...@tellabs.com'
 Subject: RE: 8591EM monitor output



 A modulator for PAL is different than NTSC! PAL receivers use different
 frequencies and I also think there are other differences!) . However, I
 would assume that if you're in a locality that has PAL receivers then you
 should be able to easily get a PAL modulator.
 Remember also, that most new (last 5 years or so) receivers (at least US
 NTSC ones) have a base-band video input (making them also a monitor!),
then
 you wouldn't need a RF modulator!
 Tony
 Colorado

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RE: 8591EM monitor output

2000-07-25 Thread CARTER

The differences between PAL  NTSC go way beyond modulating RF. Even at
baseband, the monitors will be different  one may not work with the other's
signal. The Frame rate, or vertical interval is different - NTSC based on
North American AC at 60 Hz, as opposed to European 50 Hz, and the Horizontal
sync is different, as a result of being harmonically related to the vertical
sync. There is an issue (probably not with the signals in question) with the
color sub-carrier frequency offset from the video carrier, and the fact that
(because of the aforementioned) the video (baseband) bandwidth for PAL is
much wider than NTSC. A monitor may work with the other format if it is a
little forgiving (has some slop built into the sync'ing circuits). Give it a
shot with whatever is on hand, then go shopping if need be.

IMHO
  _\\|//_ 
 (' O-O ')  
ooO-(_)-Ooo

Mark Carter
AM Communications, Inc.
car...@amcomm.com mailto:car...@amcomm.com 
Voice: 215-538-8710
Fax:   215-538-8779


-Original Message-
From: Tony J. O'Hara [mailto:tonyoh...@compuserve.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 12:24 PM
To: Bailey, Jeff
Cc: 'emc-pstc'; 'brian.mcauli...@tellabs.com'
Subject: RE: 8591EM monitor output



A modulator for PAL is different than NTSC! PAL receivers use different
frequencies and I also think there are other differences!) . However, I
would assume that if you're in a locality that has PAL receivers then you
should be able to easily get a PAL modulator.
Remember also, that most new (last 5 years or so) receivers (at least US
NTSC ones) have a base-band video input (making them also a monitor!), then
you wouldn't need a RF modulator!
Tony
Colorado

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RE: 8591EM monitor output

2000-07-25 Thread Tony J. O'Hara

A modulator for PAL is different than NTSC! PAL receivers use different
frequencies and I also think there are other differences!) . However, I
would assume that if you're in a locality that has PAL receivers then you
should be able to easily get a PAL modulator.
Remember also, that most new (last 5 years or so) receivers (at least US
NTSC ones) have a base-band video input (making them also a monitor!), then
you wouldn't need a RF modulator!
Tony
Colorado

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RE: 8591EM monitor output

2000-07-25 Thread Bailey, Jeff

Yes, they will spit out PAL format, but again it will be unmodulated so
I suppose you will need baseband inputs or a modulator as I do.

Jeff

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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:12 AM
To: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com; ral...@igs.net; sco...@world.std.com
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Subject: RE: 8591EM monitor output



Does anybody know if the 8590 series can spit out PAL format ? and if 
the same modulator would do the job ?

Brian
Tellabs

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Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject:Re: 8591EM monitor output


Jeff:

Radio Shack sells an RF modulator that will do the job. If you feed it 
to a
VCR you can also record the results as well as view it on a TV set.  As
mentioned, it produces NTSC compatible video on CH3 or 4.  Price should 
be
around $25. U.S.


Ralph Cameron
EMC Consulting and Suppression of Consumer Electronics
(after sale).

- Original Message -
From: Scott Lacey sco...@world.std.com
To: Jim Bacher jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: 8591EM monitor output



 Jeff,
 I think the piece of hardware you need is an RF Modulator. These 
output
your
 video on Channel 3 (sometimes switchable to channel 4). Should be
available
 for $25-$50 dollars. Try MCM Electronics (800 543-4330)if you can't 
find
one
 locally. The one I have is their P/N 33-1480 Audio/Video Modulator. 
It is
 about 3 x 5 x 1, with an attached (120V) line cord, and a switch to
 select CH3/CH4.

 Scott Lacey

 -Original Message-
 From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On 
Behalf
 Of Jim Bacher
 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:42 PM
 To: Bailey; Jeff; 'emc-pstc'
 Subject: Fwd:8591EM monitor output



 forwarding for Jeff.

 Reply Separator
 Subject:8591EM monitor output
 Author: Bailey; Jeff jbai...@mysst.com
 Date:   7/24/00 12:06 PM

 Hello all,

 Have any of you successfully hooked up a television to an HP8590 
series
EMC
 analyzer?  The monitor output does provide NTSC format, I am now 
assuming
 that I need to provide a carrier for the monitor output to ride on in
order
 for the TV to see the NTSC signal and know what to do with it.  Is 
there
an
 easier way to do this than to build my own modulator?

 Thanks,

 Jeff Bailey
 Compliance Engineering
 SST - A Division of Woodhead Canada
 Phone: (519) 725 5136 ext. 363
 Fax: (519) 725 1515
 Email: jbai...@sstech.on.ca
 Web: www.sstech.on.ca

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RE: 8591EM monitor output

2000-07-25 Thread Michael Taylor

You can pick up a not feeling well or dead - older VCR in thrift shops or
garage sales for 2-5 dollars.  Most all of them had packaged modulators
inside.  A check of the modulator by connection to a TV and checking for
sync is advisable. Remember to measure the voltage prior to ripping it out
of the unit or proceed with caution as some of them I have encountered use
odd voltages (3.8 to 11 volts).  Good hunting  //M. Taylor - (Dodging fires
in Colorado)

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Cameron [mailto:ral...@igs.net]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:16 PM
To: Scott Lacey; Jim Bacher
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: 8591EM monitor output



Jeff:

Radio Shack sells an RF modulator that will do the job. If you feed it to a
VCR you can also record the results as well as view it on a TV set.  As
mentioned, it produces NTSC compatible video on CH3 or 4.  Price should be
around $25. U.S.


Ralph Cameron
EMC Consulting and Suppression of Consumer Electronics
(after sale).

- Original Message -
From: Scott Lacey sco...@world.std.com
To: Jim Bacher jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: 8591EM monitor output



 Jeff,
 I think the piece of hardware you need is an RF Modulator. These output
your
 video on Channel 3 (sometimes switchable to channel 4). Should be
available
 for $25-$50 dollars. Try MCM Electronics (800 543-4330)if you can't find
one
 locally. The one I have is their P/N 33-1480 Audio/Video Modulator. It is
 about 3 x 5 x 1, with an attached (120V) line cord, and a switch to
 select CH3/CH4.

 Scott Lacey

 -Original Message-
 From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf
 Of Jim Bacher
 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:42 PM
 To: Bailey; Jeff; 'emc-pstc'
 Subject: Fwd:8591EM monitor output



 forwarding for Jeff.

 Reply Separator
 Subject:8591EM monitor output
 Author: Bailey; Jeff jbai...@mysst.com
 Date:   7/24/00 12:06 PM

 Hello all,

 Have any of you successfully hooked up a television to an HP8590 series
EMC
 analyzer?  The monitor output does provide NTSC format, I am now assuming
 that I need to provide a carrier for the monitor output to ride on in
order
 for the TV to see the NTSC signal and know what to do with it.  Is there
an
 easier way to do this than to build my own modulator?

 Thanks,

 Jeff Bailey
 Compliance Engineering
 SST - A Division of Woodhead Canada
 Phone: (519) 725 5136 ext. 363
 Fax: (519) 725 1515
 Email: jbai...@sstech.on.ca
 Web: www.sstech.on.ca

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RE: 8591EM monitor output

2000-07-25 Thread Brian . McAuliffe

Does anybody know if the 8590 series can spit out PAL format ? and if 
the same modulator would do the job ?

Brian
Tellabs

-Original Message-
From:   ral...@igs.net [SMTP:ral...@igs.net]
Sent:   Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:16 AM
To: sco...@world.std.com; jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject:Re: 8591EM monitor output


Jeff:

Radio Shack sells an RF modulator that will do the job. If you feed it 
to a
VCR you can also record the results as well as view it on a TV set.  As
mentioned, it produces NTSC compatible video on CH3 or 4.  Price should 
be
around $25. U.S.


Ralph Cameron
EMC Consulting and Suppression of Consumer Electronics
(after sale).

- Original Message -
From: Scott Lacey sco...@world.std.com
To: Jim Bacher jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: 8591EM monitor output



 Jeff,
 I think the piece of hardware you need is an RF Modulator. These 
output
your
 video on Channel 3 (sometimes switchable to channel 4). Should be
available
 for $25-$50 dollars. Try MCM Electronics (800 543-4330)if you can't 
find
one
 locally. The one I have is their P/N 33-1480 Audio/Video Modulator. 
It is
 about 3 x 5 x 1, with an attached (120V) line cord, and a switch to
 select CH3/CH4.

 Scott Lacey

 -Original Message-
 From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On 
Behalf
 Of Jim Bacher
 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:42 PM
 To: Bailey; Jeff; 'emc-pstc'
 Subject: Fwd:8591EM monitor output



 forwarding for Jeff.

 Reply Separator
 Subject:8591EM monitor output
 Author: Bailey; Jeff jbai...@mysst.com
 Date:   7/24/00 12:06 PM

 Hello all,

 Have any of you successfully hooked up a television to an HP8590 
series
EMC
 analyzer?  The monitor output does provide NTSC format, I am now 
assuming
 that I need to provide a carrier for the monitor output to ride on in
order
 for the TV to see the NTSC signal and know what to do with it.  Is 
there
an
 easier way to do this than to build my own modulator?

 Thanks,

 Jeff Bailey
 Compliance Engineering
 SST - A Division of Woodhead Canada
 Phone: (519) 725 5136 ext. 363
 Fax: (519) 725 1515
 Email: jbai...@sstech.on.ca
 Web: www.sstech.on.ca

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Re: 8591EM monitor output

2000-07-25 Thread Ralph Cameron

Jeff:

Radio Shack sells an RF modulator that will do the job. If you feed it to a
VCR you can also record the results as well as view it on a TV set.  As
mentioned, it produces NTSC compatible video on CH3 or 4.  Price should be
around $25. U.S.


Ralph Cameron
EMC Consulting and Suppression of Consumer Electronics
(after sale).

- Original Message -
From: Scott Lacey sco...@world.std.com
To: Jim Bacher jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: 8591EM monitor output



 Jeff,
 I think the piece of hardware you need is an RF Modulator. These output
your
 video on Channel 3 (sometimes switchable to channel 4). Should be
available
 for $25-$50 dollars. Try MCM Electronics (800 543-4330)if you can't find
one
 locally. The one I have is their P/N 33-1480 Audio/Video Modulator. It is
 about 3 x 5 x 1, with an attached (120V) line cord, and a switch to
 select CH3/CH4.

 Scott Lacey

 -Original Message-
 From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf
 Of Jim Bacher
 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:42 PM
 To: Bailey; Jeff; 'emc-pstc'
 Subject: Fwd:8591EM monitor output



 forwarding for Jeff.

 Reply Separator
 Subject:8591EM monitor output
 Author: Bailey; Jeff jbai...@mysst.com
 Date:   7/24/00 12:06 PM

 Hello all,

 Have any of you successfully hooked up a television to an HP8590 series
EMC
 analyzer?  The monitor output does provide NTSC format, I am now assuming
 that I need to provide a carrier for the monitor output to ride on in
order
 for the TV to see the NTSC signal and know what to do with it.  Is there
an
 easier way to do this than to build my own modulator?

 Thanks,

 Jeff Bailey
 Compliance Engineering
 SST - A Division of Woodhead Canada
 Phone: (519) 725 5136 ext. 363
 Fax: (519) 725 1515
 Email: jbai...@sstech.on.ca
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RE: 8591EM monitor output

2000-07-24 Thread Scott Lacey

Jeff,
I think the piece of hardware you need is an RF Modulator. These output your
video on Channel 3 (sometimes switchable to channel 4). Should be available
for $25-$50 dollars. Try MCM Electronics (800 543-4330)if you can't find one
locally. The one I have is their P/N 33-1480 Audio/Video Modulator. It is
about 3 x 5 x 1, with an attached (120V) line cord, and a switch to
select CH3/CH4.

Scott Lacey

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Hello all,

Have any of you successfully hooked up a television to an HP8590 series EMC
analyzer?  The monitor output does provide NTSC format, I am now assuming
that I need to provide a carrier for the monitor output to ride on in order
for the TV to see the NTSC signal and know what to do with it.  Is there an
easier way to do this than to build my own modulator?

Thanks,

Jeff Bailey
Compliance Engineering
SST - A Division of Woodhead Canada
Phone: (519) 725 5136 ext. 363
Fax: (519) 725 1515
Email: jbai...@sstech.on.ca
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RE: 8591EM monitor output

2000-07-24 Thread Mavis, Robert
All you need is a video monitor (i.e., CCTV monitor) Yes it does NTSC video,
it is not modulated so it will not work with a TV unless it has a video
input.


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Hello all, 

Have any of you successfully hooked up a television to an HP8590 series EMC
analyzer?  The monitor output does provide NTSC format, I am now assuming
that I need to provide a carrier for the monitor output to ride on in order
for the TV to see the NTSC signal and know what to do with it.  Is there an
easier way to do this than to build my own modulator?

Thanks,

Jeff Bailey
Compliance Engineering
SST - A Division of Woodhead Canada
Phone: (519) 725 5136 ext. 363
Fax: (519) 725 1515
Email: jbai...@sstech.on.ca
Web: www.sstech.on.ca

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