RE: Power Plugs
I am a UK resident with a holiday bolt-hole in the south of France. When I take UK electrical items to share my enjoyment of good food, wine and sunshine, I prefer to cut off the moulded UK plug and then fit a rewireable French plug. It's much safer than using a bunch of travel adaptors. I still have a couple of 4-block extension leads with UK sockets and a French plug for those plug-top power supplies which defy modification. I also have a reciprocal set-up for powering French sourced equipment in the UK. In the absence of rewireable plugs, I would be forced to use cut-off moulded plugs with a few inches/centimetres of lead and make the connection using a chock-block and insulating tape. I much prefer the strain relief clamp and logical connection system which has been available for many decades in rewireable plugs. If these plugs are about to become an endangered species, I will either have to stock up with a lifetime's supply soon, or get a job lot of kettle leads and IEC320 receptacles. I think that it's a good idea for all electrical equipment to be supplied with the plug already fitted, moulded or otherwise, but with the steady increase in international travel, a rewireable plug is still safer than a lash-up. My opinion etc. Geoff Lister Senior Engineer Motion Media Technology Ltd., Bristol, UK. http://www.motion-media.com -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 08 October 2001 12:03 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Power Plugs I read in !emc-pstc that Allen, John john.al...@uk.thalesgroup.com wrote (in 999c839e7e27d41185ec00d0b7473692024cd...@norway.int.rdel.co.u k) about 'Power Plugs', on Mon, 8 Oct 2001: HI Folks Over the last few years I have had very little difficulty in buying rewireable mains plugs in high-street shops in Greece, Crete, Turkey and France - and, of course, the UK!! John Allen -Original Message- From: Rich Nute [mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com] Sent: 07 October 2001 22:44 To: j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Power Plugs Hi John: Not to Continental countries, AIUI, because rewirable plugs are not available (maybe in Denmark still). Oh? In April, 2001, I bought a re-wirable plug in Grenoble, France, at a major chain store. They had a nice selection! Best regards, Rich Greece and Turkey don't come as a surprise: control is not so effective in those countries. And who would dare to predict what *actually* happens in France, compared with what everyone *says* happens? (;-) I will ask at the TC92 meeting next week what actually happens in various countries. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 25/09/01 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Power Plugs
HI Folks Over the last few years I have had very little difficulty in buying rewireable mains plugs in high-street shops in Greece, Crete, Turkey and France - and, of course, the UK!! John Allen -Original Message- From: Rich Nute [mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com] Sent: 07 October 2001 22:44 To: j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Power Plugs Hi John: Not to Continental countries, AIUI, because rewirable plugs are not available (maybe in Denmark still). Oh? In April, 2001, I bought a re-wirable plug in Grenoble, France, at a major chain store. They had a nice selection! Best regards, Rich --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Power Plugs
Hi John: Not to Continental countries, AIUI, because rewirable plugs are not available (maybe in Denmark still). Oh? In April, 2001, I bought a re-wirable plug in Grenoble, France, at a major chain store. They had a nice selection! Best regards, Rich --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Power Plugs
Legally the regulations refer to appliances intended for domestic use. See
http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1994/Uksi_19941768_en_1.htm Section 11(1)(d).
It is not uncommon for any equipment intended for connection to a domestic
power supply to have a plug fitted even if it is for professional use.
Best regards
Glenn Moffat
TUV International UK
Tel: +44 121 634 8000
Fax: +44 121 634 8080
I read in !emc-pstc that Nick Williams nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk
wrote (in v04220800b7e065df1d3d@[192.168.1.6]) about 'Power Plugs', on
Wed, 3 Oct 2001:
If you mean the end user,
then if you can make a watertight case that the product is only for
professional use you are legally allowed to do this although in
practice it will be frowned upon.
If you have any evidence of this, please tell me, because the DTI have
given assurances that it ('frowning') is not the case: professional
products don't need plugs.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
Eat mink and be dreary!
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RE: Power Plugs
thanks John. I should have been more clear and noted that the plug would be fitted by a professional installer and that the equipment is not sold to consumers. John indicates that field wireable plugs are not generally available in Europe. Do others concur? Richard Woods -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:27 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Power Plugs I read in !emc-pstc that wo...@sensormatic.com wrote (in 846BF526A205F8 4BA2B6045BBF7E9A6A43A3F8@flbocexu05) about 'Power Plugs', on Tue, 2 Oct 2001: In the EU is it legal to ship a product with an attached power cord with pig tail leads and have the appropriate power plug attached by the installer according to the installation instructions? Not to Continental countries, AIUI, because rewirable plugs are not available (maybe in Denmark still). To UK, not if it's to be sold retail, but it's OK for other products. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Power Plugs
I read in !emc-pstc that Nick Williams nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk
wrote (in v04220800b7e065df1d3d@[192.168.1.6]) about 'Power Plugs', on
Wed, 3 Oct 2001:
If you mean the end user,
then if you can make a watertight case that the product is only for
professional use you are legally allowed to do this although in
practice it will be frowned upon.
If you have any evidence of this, please tell me, because the DTI have
given assurances that it ('frowning') is not the case: professional
products don't need plugs.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
Eat mink and be dreary!
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Re: Power Plugs
For the UK, the rules are as follows: If, by 'installer' you mean an employee of your agent of distributor, then this would probably be acceptable. If you mean the end user, then if you can make a watertight case that the product is only for professional use you are legally allowed to do this although in practice it will be frowned upon. If the product is for domestic use, the plug must be correctly fitted before the product is delivered to the user. The only exceptions are for products which are intended for permanently wiring in. You may also like to note that the plug and fuse must both be of an approved type. The relevant UK legislation is Statutory Instrument 1994 No. 1768 - The Plugs and Sockets etc. (Safety) Regulations 1994 which you can download from: http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1994/Uksi_19941768_en_1.htm Clearly these are UK rules and since plugs and sockets are excluded from the LVD, other EU states' rules can and will be different. In practice, I believe that legislation with a similar effect is in place in most CE marking territories. You should be aware that in the UK, although the regulations specifically apply to products for domestic use, the enforcement people appear to consider the regulations to apply to any goods which will be sold to unskilled users, including equipment for offices and shops. These regulations are among the ones the trading standards people are most aggressive about since they are easy to enforce, and they do actually do quite a lot of good. The 1994 Regulations actually removed the legal obligation in the UK to provide plug wiring instructions with the product, and to use a mains cord with the specified colours (brown, blue, gn/yw) for the individual conductor insulation. As I am sure you know, the latter point is enforced in all the relevant EN's, however, so in practice it still applies. Regards Nick. At 14:05 -0400 2/10/2001, wo...@sensormatic.com wrote: In the EU is it legal to ship a product with an attached power cord with pig tail leads and have the appropriate power plug attached by the installer according to the installation instructions? Richard Woods - --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Power Plugs
I read in !emc-pstc that wo...@sensormatic.com wrote (in 846BF526A205F8 4BA2B6045BBF7E9A6A43A3F8@flbocexu05) about 'Power Plugs', on Tue, 2 Oct 2001: In the EU is it legal to ship a product with an attached power cord with pig tail leads and have the appropriate power plug attached by the installer according to the installation instructions? Not to Continental countries, AIUI, because rewirable plugs are not available (maybe in Denmark still). To UK, not if it's to be sold retail, but it's OK for other products. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Power Plugs
Certainly not in the U.K. for equipment that may be sold to consumers. It is illegal to sell such equipment without a plug to BS1363 already fitted and with the correctly rated fuse in the plug. Here and in the rest of Europe the cord must have IEC colour coding. Regards Nick Rouse - Original Message - From: wo...@sensormatic.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 7:05 PM Subject: Power Plugs In the EU is it legal to ship a product with an attached power cord with pig tail leads and have the appropriate power plug attached by the installer according to the installation instructions? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
