RE: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

[emc-p...@ieee.org]

Denis,
 
When they become available, I will send you Brazil and Japan's requirements

Denis Ryskamp  wrote:

Peter
 
Would you have access to an English translation of the proposed amendment that
is under consideration?
 
Regards,
 
Denis Ryskamp

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From: peter merguerian [mailto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:26 AM
To: Denis Ryskamp; Ron Pickard, RPQ; Gartman, Richard
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries
 
These are still under discussion. Will inform the group when the requirements
become effective

Denis Ryskamp  wrote: 
Watch for a proposed amendment to Japan DENAN that will require PSE for some
Li-ion batteries.
To affect batteries with energy density greater than or equal to 400 watts per
liter.
November 2008 has been indicated as target date for implementation.
Heard that a Draft of the ordinance and the technical requirements are now in
public comment phase.
 
Unfortunately, have been unable to obtain more information of the proposed
amendment. 
 
Regards,
 
Denis Ryskamp
Environmental Compliance Manager
Trimble Dayton
5475 Kellenburger Road
Dayton, Ohio 45424
*: 01-937-245-5539
*:  <http://us.f347.mail.yahoo.com/ym/denis_rysk...@trimble.com>
denis_rysk...@trimble.com
 

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ron Pickard,
RPQ
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:09 AM
To: 'Gartman, Richard'
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries
 
Richard,
 
Lithium batteries, categorized as hazardous materials and based on lithium
content, are subject to a host of transportation safety regulations imposed by
at least the IATA, ICAO, IMDG, UN (ST/SG/AC.10/11/Rev.4) and US DOT (49CFR
Parts 171,172,173 & 175). In the US, there are product safety requirements
imposed by UL and other NRTLs, which may include formal Recognition or
Listing. In the EU, directive 91/157/EEC and its successor 2006/66/EC will
likely apply. I would suggest that the battery manufacturer make this
documentation available to you. Otherwise, TI (partnering with the
manufacturer) will need to acquire it.
 
I hope this helps.
 
Best regards,
 
Ron Pickard
RPQ Consulting
7372 West Luke Avenue
Glendale, AZ 85303
+623.512-3451 tel, +623.848-9033 fax
rpick...@rpqconsulting.com
www.rpqconsulting.com <http://www.rpqconsulting.com/> 
 

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Richard
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:39 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries
 
EMC-PSTC,
 
We are looking at purchasing custom made lithium ion batteries (2700
milli amp hr size) from a manufacturer in China. What should I be
looking for regarding product safety and certifications? These batteries
could go to US, Europe and Australia.
 
Regards
W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP
Product Stewardship Manager
Texas Instruments, Education Technology
7800 Banner Drive, Dallas, Tx 75251
Office: 972-917-1636 Email: rgart...@ti.com
Fax: 972-917-0668 URL: www.education.ti.com 
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RE: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

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Peter

 

Would you have access to an English translation of the proposed amendment that
is under consideration?

 

Regards,

 

Denis Ryskamp

  _  

From: peter merguerian [mailto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:26 AM
To: Denis Ryskamp; Ron Pickard, RPQ; Gartman, Richard
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

 

These are still under discussion. Will inform the group when the requirements
become effective

Denis Ryskamp  wrote: 

Watch for a proposed amendment to Japan DENAN that will require PSE for some
Li-ion batteries.

To affect batteries with energy density greater than or equal to 400 watts per
liter.

November 2008 has been indicated as target date for implementation.

Heard that a Draft of the ordinance and the technical requirements are now in
public comment phase.

 

Unfortunately, have been unable to obtain more information of the proposed
amendment. 

 

Regards,

 

Denis Ryskamp

Environmental Compliance Manager

Trimble Dayton

5475 Kellenburger Road
Dayton, Ohio 45424

*: 01-937-245-5539

*:  <http://us.f347.mail.yahoo.com/ym/denis_rysk...@trimble.com>
denis_rysk...@trimble.com

 

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ron Pickard,
RPQ
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:09 AM
To: 'Gartman, Richard'
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

 

Richard,

 

Lithium batteries, categorized as hazardous materials and based on lithium
content, are subject to a host of transportation safety regulations imposed by
at least the IATA, ICAO, IMDG, UN (ST/SG/AC.10/11/Rev.4) and US DOT (49CFR
Parts 171,172,173 & 175). In the US, there are product safety requirements
imposed by UL and other NRTLs, which may include formal Recognition or
Listing. In the EU, directive 91/157/EEC and its successor 2006/66/EC will
likely apply. I would suggest that the battery manufacturer make this
documentation available to you. Otherwise, TI (partnering with the
manufacturer) will need to acquire it.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

RPQ Consulting

7372 West Luke Avenue

Glendale, AZ 85303

+623.512-3451 tel, +623.848-9033 fax

rpick...@rpqconsulting.com

www.rpqconsulting.com <http://www.rpqconsulting.com/> 

 


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Richard
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:39 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

 

EMC-PSTC,

 

We are looking at purchasing custom made lithium ion batteries (2700

milli amp hr size) from a manufacturer in China. What should I be

looking for regarding product safety and certifications? These batteries

could go to US, Europe and Australia.

 

Regards

W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP

Product Stewardship Manager

Texas Instruments, Education Technology

7800 Banner Drive, Dallas, Tx 75251

Office: 972-917-1636 Email: rgart...@ti.com

Fax: 972-917-0668 URL: www.education.ti.com 

Please consider the environment before printing this email.

 

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RE: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

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These are still under discussion. Will inform the group when the requirements
become effective

Denis Ryskamp  wrote: 

Watch for a proposed amendment to Japan DENAN that will require PSE for some
Li-ion batteries.
To affect batteries with energy density greater than or equal to 400 watts per
liter.
November 2008 has been indicated as target date for implementation.
Heard that a Draft of the ordinance and the technical requirements are now in
public comment phase.
 
Unfortunately, have been unable to obtain more information of the proposed
amendment. 
 
Regards,
 
Denis Ryskamp
Environmental Compliance Manager
Trimble Dayton
5475 Kellenburger Road
Dayton, Ohio 45424
*: 01-937-245-5539
*:  <http://us.f347.mail.yahoo.com/ym/denis_rysk...@trimble.com>
denis_rysk...@trimble.com
 

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ron Pickard,
RPQ
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:09 AM
To: 'Gartman, Richard'
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries
 
Richard,
 
Lithium batteries, categorized as hazardous materials and based on lithium
content, are subject to a host of transportation safety regulations imposed by
at least the IATA, ICAO, IMDG, UN (ST/SG/AC.10/11/Rev.4) and US DOT (49CFR
Parts 171,172,173 & 175). In the US, there are product safety requirements
imposed by UL and other NRTLs, which may include formal Recognition or
Listing. In the EU, directive 91/157/EEC and its successor 2006/66/EC will
likely apply. I would suggest that the battery manufacturer make this
documentation available to you. Otherwise, TI (partnering with the
manufacturer) will need to acquire it.
 
I hope this helps.
 
Best regards,
 
Ron Pickard
RPQ Consulting
7372 West Luke Avenue
Glendale, AZ 85303
+623.512-3451 tel, +623.848-9033 fax
rpick...@rpqconsulting.com
www.rpqconsulting.com <http://www.rpqconsulting.com/> 
 

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Richard
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:39 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries
 
EMC-PSTC,
 
We are looking at purchasing custom made lithium ion batteries (2700
milli amp hr size) from a manufacturer in China. What should I be
looking for regarding product safety and certifications? These batteries
could go to US, Europe and Australia.
 
Regards
W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP
Product Stewardship Manager
Texas Instruments, Education Technology
7800 Banner Drive, Dallas, Tx 75251
Office: 972-917-1636 Email: rgart...@ti.com
Fax: 972-917-0668 URL: www.education.ti.com 
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RE: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

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Here is a summary of what I have learned to date on the subject
 
UL has a standard for the cells used in a battery pack  UL1642 "Lithium
Batteries" 
 
UL has a standard for a battery pack incorporating Lithium Ion cells  UL2054
"Household and Commercial Batteries"
 
While there does not seem to be any mandatory certs required in Europe and
other countries as far as I have been able to determine there is an IEC/EN
standard for battery packs EN62133 "SECONDARY CELLS AND BATTERIES CONTAINING
ALKALINE OR OTHER NON-ACID ELECTROLYTES - SAFETY REQUIREMENTS FOR PORTABLE
SEALED SECONDARY CELLS, AND FOR BATTERIES MADE FROM THEM, FOR USE IN PORTABLE
APPLICATIONS" which can be applied to Lithium Ion batteries. I have heard
rumours this standard may be adopted as a mandatory requirement by some
countries in Europe and Asia but don't have any specific details...
 
For Japan the DENAN Law was revised in November 2007 to include Lithium-ion
batteries in the DENAN scope in the Non Specified Category, Other Electrical
Appliances and Materials.  However, the actual requirements for Lithium
batteries will be published at the end of March 2008, and implemented on
November 20, 2008. 

It seems that Lithium batteries imported to Japan or sold in Japan after
November 20 with an energy density greater then 400Watts/Liter requires a PSE
Circle Mark.  Lithium batteries which are in the Japanese market before
November 20, 2008 may have a grace period (not announced yet by METI). The
(PS)E circle mark is a quasi self declaration similar to the CE Mark so you
can have testing performed by any lab capable of doing the tests to support
your marking. 
 
The Japanese standards for the lithium ion batteries are JIS C8712 " Safety
Requirements for Portable Sealed Secondary Cells and Batteries Made From Them
for Use in Portable Applications" and JIS C8714 " Safety Tests for Portable
Lithium Ion Secondary Cells and Batteries for Use in Portable Equipment" which
are a modified versions of IEC62133. The biggest difference seems to be the
JIS standards add a forced internal short circuit of cells test which is
supposed to simulate a piece of metal damaging the separator material leading
to a short circuit thermal runaway situation. C8712 does not appear to be
available in English but you can get a translation of C8714 at the following
site.
 
http://www.webstore.jsa.or.jp/webstore/Com/FlowControl.jsp?lang=en
<http://www.webstore.jsa.or.jp/webstore
Com/FlowControl.jsp?lang=en&bunsyoId=JI
+C+8714%3A2007&dantaiCd=JIS&status=1&pageNo=0>
&bunsyoId=JIS+C+8714%3A2007&dantaiCd=JIS&status=1&pageNo=0
 
I have been advised that the C8714 standard is all you need since all the
requirements of C8712 is similar to the IEC62133 standard and are repeated in
the C8714 standard but I am in the process of having this verified.
 
Also the following document "A Guide to The Safe Use of Secondary Lithium Ion
Batteries in Notebook-type Personal Computers", which was created by the
JEITA, Japan Electronics and Information Technology Industries Association may
be of interest
 
http://www.jeita.or.jp/english/topics/
 
Sharing this information is in all our best interests as it makes our products
safer and I am willing to bet we all have lithium ion battery products in our
homes so any other info anyone has they can share is appreciated
 
regards,
 
John Tyra 
Manager Product Safety 

Bose Corporation 
The Mountain, MS-450 
Framingham, MA 01701-9168 

Phone: 508-766-1502 
Fax: 508-766-1145  

 


From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of
lauren_cr...@amat.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:27 AM
To: Gartman, Richard
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries



I have no direct experience with batteries, but I have seen a couple
presentations on why LI batteries go bad. The culprit is often minor
contamination and errors in assembly.  I would recommend insisting on severe
QC at the manufacturer. Occasional unannounced factory inspections. Extremely
tight control on their supply chain. Preferentially a manufacturer that has a
long history of supplying other majors that have been bitten by the battery
bug like Sony, Dell or IBM. 

The Austin area IEEE PSTS has had presentations on this topic from Dell.
Perhaps contacting the current area pres. would yield good advice. 

If your selected manufacturer can't give you a 30 minute lecture on the
regulatory compliance requirements world wide for their product I would see
that as a yellow flag they may not be ready to step up to those requirements
if you hand them down. 

Regards, 
Lauren Crane (Mr.)
Product Regulatory Analyst
Corporate Product EHS Lead
Applied Materials Inc.
Austin, TX 512 272-6540 [#922 26540]

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RE: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

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Richard,

At a minimum, safety testing should be completed at the cell and pack
level.  IEC 62133 is a good starting point.  If you plan to apply an
NRTL mark to the end product, UL 1642 (cell) and UL 2054 (pack) will
likely have to be met.  There are also country dependent transport and
other agency certifications that may be required.  If your product will
be connecting to any of the cellular networks, there are new CTIA
requirements for the complete system.  Our website contains more
detailed information about the different approvals.
 
Best Regards, 

Jody Leber 
Program Manager 

jody.le...@motorola.com 
http://www.motorola.com/producttesting 

Motorola Product Testing Services 
1700 Belle Meade Court 
Lawrenceville, GA 30043 

770.338.3581  P 
404.387.1224  C 
847.761.3145  F



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Richard
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:39 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

EMC-PSTC,

We are looking at purchasing custom made lithium ion batteries (2700
milli amp hr size) from a manufacturer in China. What should I be
looking for regarding product safety and certifications? These batteries
could go to US, Europe and Australia.

Regards
W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP
Product Stewardship Manager
Texas Instruments, Education Technology
7800 Banner Drive, Dallas, Tx 75251
Office: 972-917-1636 Email: rgart...@ti.com
Fax: 972-917-0668 URL: www.education.ti.com 
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RE: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

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Hi Richard,
  Depending on the application and certifications that you are pursuing,
you may need IEEE 1725 (mobile phones), or the upcoming IEEE 1625 (which
I believe applies to mobile computers, or maybe calculators if the
definition is broad enough).

Cell certification to UL 1642 may also be required depending on your end
product classification and what safety certifications you are pursuing
(Note I may have that UL standard number wrong - I'm not near my
reference materials and I'm more of an EMC/RF type than a Safety
expert).

This is most of what I'm running into now but shouldn't be considered a
full list - I'm sure there are others here with different product types
that will have lots of other requirements for these.

Note that Brazil and other countries are also requiring in-country
certification of battery packs for certain product types now (I know
that mobile phones are effected now & other product types may be coming
soon) - so you will need to plan for that as well.

Best Regards,
-Dave




David Heald
EMC Engineer | Worldwide Regulatory Compliance
Motorola Networks & Enterprise, Enterprise Mobility Business
tel: +1.631.738.5373
fax: +1.631.738.5520
 



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Richard
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To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

EMC-PSTC,

We are looking at purchasing custom made lithium ion batteries (2700
milli amp hr size) from a manufacturer in China. What should I be
looking for regarding product safety and certifications? These batteries
could go to US, Europe and Australia.

Regards
W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP
Product Stewardship Manager
Texas Instruments, Education Technology
7800 Banner Drive, Dallas, Tx 75251
Office: 972-917-1636 Email: rgart...@ti.com
Fax: 972-917-0668 URL: www.education.ti.com 
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Re: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

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I have no direct experience with batteries, but I have seen a couple
presentations on why LI batteries go bad. The culprit is often minor
contamination and errors in assembly.  I would recommend insisting on severe
QC at the manufacturer. Occasional unannounced factory inspections. Extremely
tight control on their supply chain. Preferentially a manufacturer that has a
long history of supplying other majors that have been bitten by the battery
bug like Sony, Dell or IBM. 

The Austin area IEEE PSTS has had presentations on this topic from Dell.
Perhaps contacting the current area pres. would yield good advice. 

If your selected manufacturer can't give you a 30 minute lecture on the
regulatory compliance requirements world wide for their product I would see
that as a yellow flag they may not be ready to step up to those requirements
if you hand them down. 

Regards, 
Lauren Crane (Mr.)
Product Regulatory Analyst
Corporate Product EHS Lead
Applied Materials Inc.
Austin, TX 512 272-6540 [#922 26540]

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EMC-PSTC,

We are looking at purchasing custom made lithium ion batteries (2700
milli amp hr size) from a manufacturer in China. What should I be
looking for regarding product safety and certifications? These batteries
could go to US, Europe and Australia.

Regards
W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP
Product Stewardship Manager
Texas Instruments, Education Technology
7800 Banner Drive, Dallas, Tx 75251
Office: 972-917-1636 Email: rgart...@ti.com
Fax: 972-917-0668 URL: www.education.ti.com 
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RE: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

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Watch for a proposed amendment to Japan DENAN that will require PSE for some
Li-ion batteries.

To affect batteries with energy density greater than or equal to 400 watts per
liter.

November 2008 has been indicated as target date for implementation.

Heard that a Draft of the ordinance and the technical requirements are now in
public comment phase.

 

Unfortunately, have been unable to obtain more information of the proposed
amendment. 

 

Regards,

 

Denis Ryskamp

Environmental Compliance Manager

Trimble Dayton

5475 Kellenburger Road
Dayton, Ohio 45424

*: 01-937-245-5539

*: denis_rysk...@trimble.com

 

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ron Pickard,
RPQ
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:09 AM
To: 'Gartman, Richard'
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

 

Richard,

 

Lithium batteries, categorized as hazardous materials and based on lithium
content, are subject to a host of transportation safety regulations imposed by
at least the IATA, ICAO, IMDG, UN (ST/SG/AC.10/11/Rev.4) and US DOT (49CFR
Parts 171,172,173 & 175). In the US, there are product safety requirements
imposed by UL and other NRTLs, which may include formal Recognition or
Listing. In the EU, directive 91/157/EEC and its successor 2006/66/EC will
likely apply. I would suggest that the battery manufacturer make this
documentation available to you. Otherwise, TI (partnering with the
manufacturer) will need to acquire it.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

RPQ Consulting

7372 West Luke Avenue

Glendale, AZ 85303

+623.512-3451 tel, +623.848-9033 fax

rpick...@rpqconsulting.com

www.rpqconsulting.com <http://www.rpqconsulting.com/> 

 


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Richard
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To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

 

EMC-PSTC,

 

We are looking at purchasing custom made lithium ion batteries (2700

milli amp hr size) from a manufacturer in China. What should I be

looking for regarding product safety and certifications? These batteries

could go to US, Europe and Australia.

 

Regards

W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP

Product Stewardship Manager

Texas Instruments, Education Technology

7800 Banner Drive, Dallas, Tx 75251

Office: 972-917-1636 Email: rgart...@ti.com

Fax: 972-917-0668 URL: www.education.ti.com 

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RE: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

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Richard,

 

Lithium batteries, categorized as hazardous materials and based on lithium
content, are subject to a host of transportation safety regulations imposed by
at least the IATA, ICAO, IMDG, UN (ST/SG/AC.10/11/Rev.4) and US DOT (49CFR
Parts 171,172,173 & 175). In the US, there are product safety requirements
imposed by UL and other NRTLs, which may include formal Recognition or
Listing. In the EU, directive 91/157/EEC and its successor 2006/66/EC will
likely apply. I would suggest that the battery manufacturer make this
documentation available to you. Otherwise, TI (partnering with the
manufacturer) will need to acquire it.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

RPQ Consulting

7372 West Luke Avenue

Glendale, AZ 85303

+623.512-3451 tel, +623.848-9033 fax

rpick...@rpqconsulting.com

www.rpqconsulting.com  

 


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Richard
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Subject: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

 

EMC-PSTC,

 

We are looking at purchasing custom made lithium ion batteries (2700

milli amp hr size) from a manufacturer in China. What should I be

looking for regarding product safety and certifications? These batteries

could go to US, Europe and Australia.

 

Regards

W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP

Product Stewardship Manager

Texas Instruments, Education Technology

7800 Banner Drive, Dallas, Tx 75251

Office: 972-917-1636 Email: rgart...@ti.com

Fax: 972-917-0668 URL: www.education.ti.com 

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Re: assistance - Lithium-ion custom batteries

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Richard:
If these are custom batteries, doesn't your company have to certify them?

Fred Townsend
DC to Light

Gartman, Richard wrote:

>EMC-PSTC,
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>
>Regards
>W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP
>Product Stewardship Manager
>Texas Instruments, Education Technology
>7800 Banner Drive, Dallas, Tx 75251
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