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Forwarded for Patty Knudsen patricia.knud...@ericsson.com Original Message Subject: RE: TUV NRTL Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:11:12 -0600 From: Patricia Knudsen (EWU) patricia.knud...@ewu.ericsson.se To: 'Doug McKean' dmck...@corp.auspex.com,EMC-PSTC Discussion Groupemc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org There is a difference between the TUVs and UL's branch offices. The TUVs are all different companies, not franchises of the same company. TUV Rheinland is a completely different entity than TUV Product Service or TUV America. It's more like the relationship between UL, ETL, MET, FM, CSA, etc. All are NRTLs but different companies. Patty Knudsen (former TUV-R employee) Ericsson Wireless Communications patricia.knud...@ericsson.com -Original Message- From: Doug McKean [mailto:dmck...@corp.auspex.com] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 4:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group Subject: Re: TUV NRTL It's been my understanding that the various branches of TUV reside and oversee product safety in specific regions within Germany. And that being in a sense franchises, they compete directly with each other outside of Germany. It's also been my understanding that in a similar way though more subtle, the various branches of UL within the US also compete with each other. In other words, even though the Santa Clara facility is conviently right down the road from me, I could send product off to Melville. Any profits made by Melville aren't really benefited by Santa Clara. The difference between TUV and UL is that in some cases, and I'm going out on a limb, TUV Rheinland might not accept results from TUV Product Services although that would have to be some extreme case IMO. UL branches on the other hand accept each others results. Corrections anyone? - Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: TUV NRTL
It's been my understanding that the various branches of TUV reside and oversee product safety in specific regions within Germany. And that being in a sense franchises, they compete directly with each other outside of Germany. It's also been my understanding that in a similar way though more subtle, the various branches of UL within the US also compete with each other. In other words, even though the Santa Clara facility is conviently right down the road from me, I could send product off to Melville. Any profits made by Melville aren't really benefited by Santa Clara. The difference between TUV and UL is that in some cases, and I'm going out on a limb, TUV Rheinland might not accept results from TUV Product Services although that would have to be some extreme case IMO. UL branches on the other hand accept each others results. Corrections anyone? - Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: TUV NRTL
The meaning of TUV per TUV Product Service web site. Independent TUV's (Technischer Uberwachungsverein, English translation: Technical Inspection Association) were founded in the 1870's by the German steam boiler industry. These regional organizations helped regulate and supervise the safety of steam installations in the interest of public safety. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: geor...@lexmark.com [mailto:geor...@lexmark.com] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:45 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: TUV NRTL It occurs to me that many folks are not aware that there are many different TUV agencies authorized to issue the German GS certificate. In other words, not all agencies with TUV in their title have the same country laboratory recognition. The Standards Council of Canada lists TUV Rheinland of North America one of several accepted alternatives to CSA for specific products and standards. No other TUV agencies are listed. OSHA (U. S.) lists TUV America Inc. (TUVAM), TUV Rhienland of North America (TUV), and TUV Product Services GmbH (TUVPSG) as NRTLs. But only the last two are authorized for testing to UL 1950 (now UL 60950). BTW, there are many other TUV agencies authorized by the German government which are less commonly known outside of Europe. I confess that I've never taken the time to know the meaning of the German words on which TUV is based. I am sure there are many out there who know. While we are at it, what is the translation of the GS, i,e, geprufte sicherheit. I have been told it meant proven safety? George Alspaugh --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: TUV NRTL
George, I forgot!!! Sorry!!! The Best translations for GS are: Tested Safety Approved Safety Proved Safety I have spoken to many of the German engineers. It appears that there is not a Direct Translation as I get a different answer every time I ask. Bill Ronzio Southeast Area Manager TUV Rheinland of N.A., Inc. 919-554-3668 phone 919-554-3542 fax William Ronzio To: geor...@lexmark.com 02/08/2002 cc: emc-p...@ieee.org, owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org 10:52 AM Subject: Re: TUV NRTL(Document link: William Ronzio) To all, TUV is Technischer UeberwachungsVerein The best English Translation is Technical Inspection Association/ Club To gain more information regarding the translations and history go to www.tuv.com. Click on Germany - About Us - Our History Bill Ronzio Southeast Area Manager TUV Rheinland of N.A., Inc. 919-554-3668 phone 919-554-3542 fax geor...@lexmark.com Sent by: To: emc-p...@ieee.org owner-emc-pstc@majordom cc: o.ieee.orgSubject: TUV NRTL 02/08/2002 09:44 AM Please respond to georgea It occurs to me that many folks are not aware that there are many different TUV agencies authorized to issue the German GS certificate. In other words, not all agencies with TUV in their title have the same country laboratory recognition. The Standards Council of Canada lists TUV Rheinland of North America one of several accepted alternatives to CSA for specific products and standards. No other TUV agencies are listed. OSHA (U. S.) lists TUV America Inc. (TUVAM), TUV Rhienland of North America (TUV), and TUV Product Services GmbH (TUVPSG) as NRTLs. But only the last two are authorized for testing to UL 1950 (now UL 60950). BTW, there are many other TUV agencies authorized by the German government which are less commonly known outside of Europe. I confess that I've never taken the time to know the meaning of the German words on which TUV is based. I am sure there are many out there who know. While we are at it, what is the translation of the GS, i,e, geprufte sicherheit. I have been told it meant proven safety? George Alspaugh --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: TUV NRTL
To all, TUV is Technischer UeberwachungsVerein The best English Translation is Technical Inspection Association/ Club To gain more information regarding the translations and history go to www.tuv.com. Click on Germany - About Us - Our History Bill Ronzio Southeast Area Manager TUV Rheinland of N.A., Inc. 919-554-3668 phone 919-554-3542 fax geor...@lexmark.com Sent by: To: emc-p...@ieee.org owner-emc-pstc@majordom cc: o.ieee.orgSubject: TUV NRTL 02/08/2002 09:44 AM Please respond to georgea It occurs to me that many folks are not aware that there are many different TUV agencies authorized to issue the German GS certificate. In other words, not all agencies with TUV in their title have the same country laboratory recognition. The Standards Council of Canada lists TUV Rheinland of North America one of several accepted alternatives to CSA for specific products and standards. No other TUV agencies are listed. OSHA (U. S.) lists TUV America Inc. (TUVAM), TUV Rhienland of North America (TUV), and TUV Product Services GmbH (TUVPSG) as NRTLs. But only the last two are authorized for testing to UL 1950 (now UL 60950). BTW, there are many other TUV agencies authorized by the German government which are less commonly known outside of Europe. I confess that I've never taken the time to know the meaning of the German words on which TUV is based. I am sure there are many out there who know. While we are at it, what is the translation of the GS, i,e, geprufte sicherheit. I have been told it meant proven safety? George Alspaugh --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
TUV NRTL
It occurs to me that many folks are not aware that there are many different TUV agencies authorized to issue the German GS certificate. In other words, not all agencies with TUV in their title have the same country laboratory recognition. The Standards Council of Canada lists TUV Rheinland of North America one of several accepted alternatives to CSA for specific products and standards. No other TUV agencies are listed. OSHA (U. S.) lists TUV America Inc. (TUVAM), TUV Rhienland of North America (TUV), and TUV Product Services GmbH (TUVPSG) as NRTLs. But only the last two are authorized for testing to UL 1950 (now UL 60950). BTW, there are many other TUV agencies authorized by the German government which are less commonly known outside of Europe. I confess that I've never taken the time to know the meaning of the German words on which TUV is based. I am sure there are many out there who know. While we are at it, what is the translation of the GS, i,e, geprufte sicherheit. I have been told it meant proven safety? George Alspaugh --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: TUV NRTL
We use TUVRNA for NRTL very successfully. Paul J. Smith, Teradyne, Boston richwo...@tycoint.com@majordomo.ieee.org on 02/07/2002 02:17:45 PM Please respond to richwo...@tycoint.com Sent by: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc: Subject: TUV NRTL TUV Rheinland of North America is a NRTL and is also accredited in Canada. I would like to hear from anyone using their NRTL and/or Canadian mark about any difficulties you have or have not had with acceptance of the mark by electrical inspectors. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: TUV NRTL
Richard- We have obtained the c-TUV-us mark for our electromechanical material testing product line. We have shipped over 550 systems without any difficulties regarding the mark. I have, however, had to answer several questions from our field sales people about what the mark means. Once they understood OSHA's NRTL program, they were happy. Regards, Andrew Veit Systems Design Engineer MTS Systems Corp Ph: 919.677.2507 Fax: 919.677.2480 1001 Sheldon Drive Cary, NC 27513 -Original Message- From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 2:18 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: TUV NRTL TUV Rheinland of North America is a NRTL and is also accredited in Canada. I would like to hear from anyone using their NRTL and/or Canadian mark about any difficulties you have or have not had with acceptance of the mark by electrical inspectors. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: TUV NRTL
Hi George: However, for the U.S. OSHA establishes acceptable NRTLs, and the CFR uses the words NRTL, so I do not see how an electrical inspector could object to what the Federal Government has sanctioned. The inspector must abide by the certifications approved by the local building/electrical code jurisdiction. It would be more accurate to substitute local jurisdiction for inspector. OSHA NRTL and local code processes are independent of each other. I agree that it would be prudent of the local jurisdiction to accept OSHA NRTLs rather than establish other criteria which might exclude one or more NRTLs. I believe TUV-R has indeed applied for acceptance in most or all local jurisictions. (Don't rely on my belief.) Best regards, Rich --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: TUV NRTL
Richard, We have largely used UL and CSA or c-UL on our office and consumer printers, so I do not have experience with the use of other NRTLs for the U.S. and Canada. However, for the U.S. OSHA establishes acceptable NRTLs, and the CFR uses the words NRTL, so I do not see how an electrical inspector could object to what the Federal Government has sanctioned. Likewise, the Standards Council of Canada lists the accepted certification bodies (CBs) at: http://www.scc.ca/accreditation/cb/colist_e.html TUVR is included, so again, I doubt that an electrical inspector could object to the use of SCC sanctioned CBs. I beleive the greater challenge is the education of and acceptance by, your customers, who may only think of UL or CSA as proper markings. George richwoods%tycoint@interlock.lexmark.com on 02/07/2002 02:17:45 PM Please respond to richwoods%tycoint@interlock.lexmark.com To: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: TUV NRTL TUV Rheinland of North America is a NRTL and is also accredited in Canada. I would like to hear from anyone using their NRTL and/or Canadian mark about any difficulties you have or have not had with acceptance of the mark by electrical inspectors. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
TUV NRTL
TUV Rheinland of North America is a NRTL and is also accredited in Canada. I would like to hear from anyone using their NRTL and/or Canadian mark about any difficulties you have or have not had with acceptance of the mark by electrical inspectors. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
