Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 on laptops

2009-11-18 Thread Andy Pugh
2009/11/18 Bryan Mumford n...@bmumford.com:

Firstly, 4000nS sounds very good. I would wait for more opinions
before trusting to mine though.

 There is an optional docking base for it with a hardware parallel
 port. As in this unit:

Another (cheaper) alternative might be something like
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310094829919

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Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 on laptops

2009-11-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 18 November 2009, Andy Pugh wrote:
2009/11/18 Bryan Mumford n...@bmumford.com:

Firstly, 4000nS sounds very good. I would wait for more opinions
before trusting to mine though.

 There is an optional docking base for it with a hardware parallel
 port. As in this unit:

Another (cheaper) alternative might be something like
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310094829919

Another thing I would be very careful about is the access mechanism these 
devices require in order to actually access the hardware of the port.  I have 
heard, but not experienced, horror stories about access times of many 
milliseconds because the hardware is not direct access, but off on a slow, 
asynch bus protocol they use to talk to these docking stations.  Like old 
USB.

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Re: [Emc-users] Mister for small mill

2009-11-18 Thread Kent A. Reed
Gentle persons:

I know I'm a big worry wort but two things really bother me about misting.

The first thing goes back to my days as a lab safety officer. Our lungs 
aren't really designed to deal with atomized organic oils. A Material 
Safety Data Sheet may say the oil has low toxicity but that probably 
isn't relevant to this issue. I don't want to breathe it. The finer the 
mist the bigger the problem because the deeper it can get (can you spell 
chemical pneumonia?).

The second thing goes back to my days as a teenager when we thought 
explosions were pure fun. A fine mist of oil, even one with a high flash 
point, is a basic ingredient to an awesome flame (Case in point: anyone 
see the recent Myth Busters episode dealing with kitchen stove fires?) 
In my case, the only place in our townhouse my wife will let me put the 
tabletop mill I don't have yet is in our basement utility room, sharing 
space with a gas-fired water heater and a gas-fired furnace. Hmmm, not 
one but two sources of ignition.

Like I say, I'm a big worry wort, but accidents are what happens just 
when you think everything is going fine. My first real summer job, as an 
engineering aide on a major construction project was 75-percent 
construction inspection and 25-percent recording accidents. What an 
eye-opener.

Live long and prosper.

Regards,
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Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 on laptops

2009-11-18 Thread Andy Pugh
2009/11/18 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com:

 Another thing I would be very careful about is the access mechanism these
 devices require in order to actually access the hardware of the port.

The docks seem to use a hard-wired connection, I think they are really
just a set of ports that connect to the many-way connector on the
laptop base.
The PCMCIA solution should be fine, Cardbus is a bus-mastering
connection direct to the PCI bus.

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Re: [Emc-users] Mister for small mill

2009-11-18 Thread Ron Ginger
If you really dont want mist in the air there was an article in an old 
magazine, I think HOME SHOP MACHINIST about building a solenoid operated 
pump with a nozzle held by a mag base and pointed at the work. It used a 
555 timer IC to generate a tiny pump stroke every few seconds. This 
directed just a drop of coolant right on the tool edge, and with a 
simple knob you adjust the rate to get just enough coolant.

This one has been 'on my list' for a while, I think its the best 
approach for a home shop. Someday Ill actually get around to it.

ron ginger

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[Emc-users] question - touchy abort

2009-11-18 Thread Stuart Stevenson
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Re: [Emc-users] Mister for small mill

2009-11-18 Thread Leslie Newell
If you are machining some of the softer grades of aluminum you need a 
pretty much constant flow of coolant. You don't need much but if it runs 
dry it can clog the cutter very quickly. Also if you are using carbide a 
sudden squirt of coolant could cause the cutting edges to crack.

Les

Ron Ginger wrote:
 If you really dont want mist in the air there was an article in an old 
 magazine, I think HOME SHOP MACHINIST about building a solenoid operated 
 pump with a nozzle held by a mag base and pointed at the work. It used a 
 555 timer IC to generate a tiny pump stroke every few seconds. This 
 directed just a drop of coolant right on the tool edge, and with a 
 simple knob you adjust the rate to get just enough coolant.

 This one has been 'on my list' for a while, I think its the best 
 approach for a home shop. Someday Ill actually get around to it.

 ron ginger
   


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[Emc-users] Prefered motherboard for Ubuntu 8.04

2009-11-18 Thread Simon Mali
Hello,
I am buying a new computer to run EMC ubuntu Hardy Heron. Which is the
prefered motherboard and graphic card for Ubuntu 8.04 operating system? I
want to avoid problems with missing drivers or problems with stability
during operation. This PC is intended for my CNC Gantry router and I want to
avoid any crashes because of software incompatibility with hardware. Is
better to chose older motherboard or newer? Please advise.
Best regards
Simon Mali
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[Emc-users] Mesa 5i20 vs 22 vs 23 ?

2009-11-18 Thread Anders Wallin
Hi all,

I have a mill which runs a mesa 5i20 card and I am now starting a
lathe build/retrofit (more on that later!). Compared to a few years
ago there are now three or four variants of these cards available:
5i20, 5i22-1, 5i22-1.5 and 5i23.
Also, I know there has been some good work on the modular hm2
fpga-code and emc2-driver for these cards.

- How stable is the hm2 fpga-code + driver right now? anyone using it
routinely for 'production' ?
- Any benefits of the 5i23 (400kgate fpga) over the 5i20 (200k fpga) ?
- The 5i22 cards are more expensive, have a bit more I/O, but isn't
the large fpga overkill for a setup where emc2 runs the pid-loops on
the cpu anyway?

For the lathe I will have servos on the Z- and X-axes, not sure about
DC-brush vs. brushless yet, but Jon Elsons PWM amps work very well on
the mill so I am leaning towards them. Then the spindle will hopefully
be driven by a big 1.75kW brushless servo. The lathe project also
calls for a revolver-type toolchanger which needs one I/O bit for a
pneumatic cylinder, and one servo/stepper axis to rotate the revolver.
In addition I will need the usual jog-pendant I/O: MPG (thinking about
two, separate for X and Z), a few selection-switches, and some
buttons. Live tooling is a dream for the future :)
Looking at the schematic for the mill[1], I think the lathe setup will
be pretty similar and I should be OK with 72 I/O pins.

regards,

Anders W

[1] 
http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/dc_servo_schematic_2008jan19.pdf

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Re: [Emc-users] Mesa 5i20 vs 22 vs 23 ?

2009-11-18 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Anders Wallin wrote:

 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:48:17 +0200
 From: Anders Wallin anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] Mesa 5i20 vs 22 vs 23 ?
 
 Hi all,

 I have a mill which runs a mesa 5i20 card and I am now starting a
 lathe build/retrofit (more on that later!). Compared to a few years
 ago there are now three or four variants of these cards available:
 5i20, 5i22-1, 5i22-1.5 and 5i23.
 Also, I know there has been some good work on the modular hm2
 fpga-code and emc2-driver for these cards.

 - How stable is the hm2 fpga-code + driver right now? anyone using it
 routinely for 'production' ?

There seem to be at least several people using it in production. There are 
undoubtedly some remaining firmware and driver bugs, but the basics look to be 
pretty solid. (Thanks Sebastian!)

 - Any benefits of the 5i23 (400kgate fpga) over the 5i20 (200k fpga) ?
 - The 5i22 cards are more expensive, have a bit more I/O, but isn't
 the large fpga overkill for a setup where emc2 runs the pid-loops on
 the cpu anyway?

The main advantage of the 5I22 and 5I23 is future growth potential. Here are 
some advantages of the 5I22 and 5I23:

1. The PCI bridge chips used on the 5I23 and 5I22 support DMA. The HostMot2 
driver was designed at the outset to eventually support DMA to lower the
overhead of card access.

2. The larger FPGAs will support fancier configurations, for example
the resolver configuration I'm working on will not fit in the 5I20s Spartan2
chip (Mainly because theres no hardware multiplier in Spartan2)

3. Higher speed, the Spartan3 chips used on the 5I22 and 5I23 are about 50% 
faster than Spartan2 used on the 5I20. This is especially noticeble when 
processors are embedded in the FPGA.

On the other hand, the 5I20 is probably overkill for controlling a lathe, if 
72 pins are sufficient. (GPIO will eventually be expandable via SPI anyway) 
the HostMot2 firmware supports up to 12 axis of servo interface on the 5I20, 
so a 3/4 axis lathe is not taxing its capabilities.




 For the lathe I will have servos on the Z- and X-axes, not sure about
 DC-brush vs. brushless yet, but Jon Elsons PWM amps work very well on
 the mill so I am leaning towards them. Then the spindle will hopefully
 be driven by a big 1.75kW brushless servo. The lathe project also
 calls for a revolver-type toolchanger which needs one I/O bit for a
 pneumatic cylinder, and one servo/stepper axis to rotate the revolver.
 In addition I will need the usual jog-pendant I/O: MPG (thinking about
 two, separate for X and Z), a few selection-switches, and some
 buttons. Live tooling is a dream for the future :)
 Looking at the schematic for the mill[1], I think the lathe setup will
 be pretty similar and I should be OK with 72 I/O pins.

 regards,

 Anders W

 [1] 
 http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/dc_servo_schematic_2008jan19.pdf

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Re: [Emc-users] Mesa 5i20 vs 22 vs 23 ?

2009-11-18 Thread dave
Hmmm! Resolver for position or AC servo control or both?

Dave


On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 11:39 -0800, Peter C. Wallace wrote:
 On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Anders Wallin wrote:
 
  Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:48:17 +0200
  From: Anders Wallin anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com
  Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
  To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: [Emc-users] Mesa 5i20 vs 22 vs 23 ?
  
  Hi all,
 
  I have a mill which runs a mesa 5i20 card and I am now starting a
  lathe build/retrofit (more on that later!). Compared to a few years
  ago there are now three or four variants of these cards available:
  5i20, 5i22-1, 5i22-1.5 and 5i23.
  Also, I know there has been some good work on the modular hm2
  fpga-code and emc2-driver for these cards.
 
  - How stable is the hm2 fpga-code + driver right now? anyone using it
  routinely for 'production' ?
 
 There seem to be at least several people using it in production. There are 
 undoubtedly some remaining firmware and driver bugs, but the basics look to 
 be 
 pretty solid. (Thanks Sebastian!)
 
  - Any benefits of the 5i23 (400kgate fpga) over the 5i20 (200k fpga) ?
  - The 5i22 cards are more expensive, have a bit more I/O, but isn't
  the large fpga overkill for a setup where emc2 runs the pid-loops on
  the cpu anyway?
 
 The main advantage of the 5I22 and 5I23 is future growth potential. Here are 
 some advantages of the 5I22 and 5I23:
 
 1. The PCI bridge chips used on the 5I23 and 5I22 support DMA. The HostMot2 
 driver was designed at the outset to eventually support DMA to lower the
 overhead of card access.
 
 2. The larger FPGAs will support fancier configurations, for example
 the resolver configuration I'm working on will not fit in the 5I20s Spartan2
 chip (Mainly because theres no hardware multiplier in Spartan2)
 
 3. Higher speed, the Spartan3 chips used on the 5I22 and 5I23 are about 50% 
 faster than Spartan2 used on the 5I20. This is especially noticeble when 
 processors are embedded in the FPGA.
 
 On the other hand, the 5I20 is probably overkill for controlling a lathe, if 
 72 pins are sufficient. (GPIO will eventually be expandable via SPI anyway) 
 the HostMot2 firmware supports up to 12 axis of servo interface on the 5I20, 
 so a 3/4 axis lathe is not taxing its capabilities.
 
 
 
 
  For the lathe I will have servos on the Z- and X-axes, not sure about
  DC-brush vs. brushless yet, but Jon Elsons PWM amps work very well on
  the mill so I am leaning towards them. Then the spindle will hopefully
  be driven by a big 1.75kW brushless servo. The lathe project also
  calls for a revolver-type toolchanger which needs one I/O bit for a
  pneumatic cylinder, and one servo/stepper axis to rotate the revolver.
  In addition I will need the usual jog-pendant I/O: MPG (thinking about
  two, separate for X and Z), a few selection-switches, and some
  buttons. Live tooling is a dream for the future :)
  Looking at the schematic for the mill[1], I think the lathe setup will
  be pretty similar and I should be OK with 72 I/O pins.
 
  regards,
 
  Anders W
 
  [1] 
  http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/dc_servo_schematic_2008jan19.pdf
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Mesa 5i20 vs 22 vs 23 ?

2009-11-18 Thread Frank Tkalcevic
 - How stable is the hm2 fpga-code + driver right now? anyone 
 using it routinely for 'production' ?

I can't comment on 'production' stability as I am only a hobbiest, but my
lathe conversion with a 5i20 and hm2 (my first foray into emc) went
painlessly (ie none of the problems were emc/5i20 related).  I used the
lathe last week for the whole day and I had no problems.


 For the lathe I will have servos on the Z- and X-axes, not 
 sure about DC-brush vs. brushless yet, but Jon Elsons PWM 
 amps work very well on the mill so I am leaning towards them. 
 Then the spindle will hopefully be driven by a big 1.75kW 
 brushless servo. 

I picked up second hand AC servos and drivers on ebay.  I use a 1.5kW AC
servo on the spindle (geared 3:1 so max rpm is down to 1500).  I use the
encoder and index directly on the spindle to synchronise threading.  My plan
is to use the servo on the spindle as an A axis, and add a Z (Y?) axis with
another spindle to be able to machine rotary table style - this is more of a
dream.

 The lathe project also calls for a 
 revolver-type toolchanger which needs one I/O bit for a 
 pneumatic cylinder, and one servo/stepper axis to rotate the revolver.
 In addition I will need the usual jog-pendant I/O: MPG 
 (thinking about two, separate for X and Z), a few 
 selection-switches, and some buttons. Live tooling is a dream 
 for the future :) Looking at the schematic for the mill[1], I 
 think the lathe setup will be pretty similar and I should be 
 OK with 72 I/O pins.

I've only used 2 I/O pins so far - home X and touch probe.  I have a USB
pendant.  I can't see myself ever using all the I/Os.


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Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 on laptops

2009-11-18 Thread Jeshua Lacock

On Nov 18, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Andy Pugh wrote:

 2009/11/18 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com:

 Another thing I would be very careful about is the access mechanism  
 these
 devices require in order to actually access the hardware of the port.

 The docks seem to use a hard-wired connection, I think they are really
 just a set of ports that connect to the many-way connector on the
 laptop base.
 The PCMCIA solution should be fine, Cardbus is a bus-mastering
 connection direct to the PCI bus.


Not to mention if the port ever gets more than 5v - its toast. No way  
to add another I presume...


Best,

Jeshua Lacock
Founder/Programmer
3DTOPO Incorporated
http://3DTOPO.com
Phone: 208.462.4171


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Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 on laptops

2009-11-18 Thread Frank Tkalcevic
  Another thing I would be very careful about is the access mechanism 
  these devices require in order to actually access the 
 hardware of the port.
 
 The docks seem to use a hard-wired connection, I think they 
 are really just a set of ports that connect to the many-way 
 connector on the laptop base.
 The PCMCIA solution should be fine, Cardbus is a 
 bus-mastering connection direct to the PCI bus.


What about miniPCI?  I've only just noticed that a lot of laptops and
embedded boards (eg nano-itx) have these, and you can buy miniPCI parallel
ports.


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Re: [Emc-users] Mesa 5i20 vs 22 vs 23 ?

2009-11-18 Thread Jon Elson
dave wrote:
 Hmmm! Resolver for position or AC servo control or both?
   
Note that I have a resolver to quadrature converter board, for those
cases where you can't, or don't want to, replace the resolvers on a
machine, or insude a motor.

It seems they only work with traditional variable-transformer resolvers,
not the variable-reluctance type that need more drive current.

See my web page at
http://pico-systems.com/oscrc4/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=4products_id=20

Jon

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[Emc-users] Configuring and External Run button

2009-11-18 Thread Dave Camarillo
Hopefully an easy question I'd like to configure an external Run
button, that has the same functionality as the AxisUI run button in
the bar, however I seem to be having some trouble getting this to
work... I have the axisui and the halui loaded, and tried setting the
following items manually, as well as messing with various other
halui.*.* pins, but haven't had much luck so far:

setp halui.mode.manual false
setp halui.mode.auto true
setp halui.program.run true

I'm guessing I'm missing something that needs to be set but haven't
had much luck figuring out exactly what it is...

thoughts?

thanks,
-dave

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Re: [Emc-users] Mesa 5i20 vs 22 vs 23 ?

2009-11-18 Thread Gary Corlew
I have a lathe I converted to cnc and I am curious, what is the probe being
used for? Are there any pictures anywhere?

-Original Message-
From: Frank Tkalcevic [mailto:fr...@franksworkshop.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:24 PM
To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)'
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Mesa 5i20 vs 22 vs 23 ?

 - How stable is the hm2 fpga-code + driver right now? anyone 
 using it routinely for 'production' ?

I can't comment on 'production' stability as I am only a hobbiest, but my
lathe conversion with a 5i20 and hm2 (my first foray into emc) went
painlessly (ie none of the problems were emc/5i20 related).  I used the
lathe last week for the whole day and I had no problems.


 For the lathe I will have servos on the Z- and X-axes, not 
 sure about DC-brush vs. brushless yet, but Jon Elsons PWM 
 amps work very well on the mill so I am leaning towards them. 
 Then the spindle will hopefully be driven by a big 1.75kW 
 brushless servo. 

I picked up second hand AC servos and drivers on ebay.  I use a 1.5kW AC
servo on the spindle (geared 3:1 so max rpm is down to 1500).  I use the
encoder and index directly on the spindle to synchronise threading.  My plan
is to use the servo on the spindle as an A axis, and add a Z (Y?) axis with
another spindle to be able to machine rotary table style - this is more of a
dream.

 The lathe project also calls for a 
 revolver-type toolchanger which needs one I/O bit for a 
 pneumatic cylinder, and one servo/stepper axis to rotate the revolver.
 In addition I will need the usual jog-pendant I/O: MPG 
 (thinking about two, separate for X and Z), a few 
 selection-switches, and some buttons. Live tooling is a dream 
 for the future :) Looking at the schematic for the mill[1], I 
 think the lathe setup will be pretty similar and I should be 
 OK with 72 I/O pins.

I've only used 2 I/O pins so far - home X and touch probe.  I have a USB
pendant.  I can't see myself ever using all the I/Os.



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Re: [Emc-users] Mister for small mill

2009-11-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 18 November 2009, Ron Ginger wrote:
If you really dont want mist in the air there was an article in an old
magazine, I think HOME SHOP MACHINIST about building a solenoid operated
pump with a nozzle held by a mag base and pointed at the work. It used a
555 timer IC to generate a tiny pump stroke every few seconds. This
directed just a drop of coolant right on the tool edge, and with a
simple knob you adjust the rate to get just enough coolant.

This one has been 'on my list' for a while, I think its the best
approach for a home shop. Someday Ill actually get around to it.

ron ginger

And that is another thing I've been threatening to go into production of, 
round 'tuit's. I can't find the one I had 40 years ago.  :)

The idea of swaging the tip down to about zip got me to thinking, and the 
thoughts ran toward insulin needles, which are $1.89 a 10 pak at Wallies 
Pharmacy.  That was fallback plan, brought on by my not being able to find a 
suitable female swage form for that small a pipe.  I annealed it, then 
clamped a well polished 3/8 drill chuck on the last 1/16, tightened it up 
enough to start crushing the pipe, and gave it 4 or 5 turns. 3 times, but all 
I succeeded in doing was wearing it off without appearing to shrink the 
center hole.  So I am now using 3x as much air  already had a great plenty 
of that.

So then I pulled the needle out of one of the shringes, bloody difficult cuz 
a 31 gauge needle is only .012 for OD.  Hard to get a good grip even with 
suture clamps. Thinking about super gluing it, then realized that super glue, 
being about 1000x wetter than water, would probably seal up the inner passage 
of the needle long before it had filled the relatively huge space between the 
needles OD and the pipes ID.  I even tried to swage it down onto the needle 
with a hammer and anvil, but I can see that is just as futile.  So I'm going 
to sleep on it unless someone has a better idea.

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Re: [Emc-users] Mesa 5i20 vs 22 vs 23 ?

2009-11-18 Thread Frank Tkalcevic
 I have a lathe I converted to cnc and I am curious, what is 
 the probe being used for? Are there any pictures anywhere?

Actually, I meant probe input.  I have a touch off plate (actually a z
height setter that I also use on my mill) that I use to set the lathe tool
Z.  I zero Z to tool T01, and then set the tool table offsets for the rest
of the tools using the touch off (documented in the wiki somewhere).  I use
a modified tool Z height setter (similar to enco part 636-7044, but mine has
a magnetic base).  I removed the battery and ran a wire through.  The
magnetic base allows it to be mounted to the headstock or chuck.


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