Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on Fujitsu Siemens FUTRO S400
Yes, the memory is tight , it is using a small amount in swap, I will upgrade to 1GB soon. Please indicate me where can I find a procedure to transfer the setting for my MF 70 from my old Linux CNC with 2.6 . I have found some paragraphs about and I have understood that is not a copy only procedure. Some more details ? Thank you Sent from my iPad > On 29 dec. 2015, at 04:19, andy pugh wrote: > >> On 28 December 2015 at 18:24, Paul Lacatus wrote: >> On the latency test I got 49900 no jitter on servo thread and 25000ns on >> base thread. The test was done on heavy load , top was showing around 9 on 5 >> minutes. >> >> It is usable ? > > It should be OK as far as latency is concerned. Memory might be tight, > but the only way to tell is to try it. > > -- > atp > If you can't fix it, you don't own it. > http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto > > -- > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on Fujitsu Siemens FUTRO S400
I have upgraded memory to 512MB replaced the 1GB cf card with a 16 GB card and installed linuxcnc 2.7.3 . On the latency test I got 49900 no jitter on servo thread and 25000ns on base thread. The test was done on heavy load , top was showing around 9 on 5 minutes. It is usable ? How can I transfer the settings for my MF 70 from my old 2.6 Linux CNc ? Sent from my iPad > On 7 dec. 2015, at 20:01, Paul Lacatus wrote: > > > > > >> On 7 dec. 2015, at 18:27, andy pugh wrote: >> >> On 7 December 2015 at 14:22, Paul Lacatus (Personal) >> wrote: >>> Right now the computer is a tower PC with a celeron 900MHz that is bigger >>> than the MF70 >> >> >> An alternative to this if the disparate sizes of the machine and the >> controller are a problem, might be one of the VESA mount mini-ITX >> computer cases, and a known-good mini-ITX board. >> >> Then you can hide the PC behind the minotaur. (or, for less Classical >> danger, behind the monitor (I liked the typo)). >> >> For even more littleness, the BeagleBone Black and Machinekit might be >> an option. >> >> > My first idea was to use a beaglebone black but it needs a cape to emulate > the parallel port and also a hdmi monitor. For a try with the thin client I > need only a 8GB CF card. I think I'll try. I think it have 512 MB ram since > it was running XP . What version of linuxcnc is recommended ? > -- > Go from Idea to Many App Stores Faster with Intel(R) XDK > Give your users amazing mobile app experiences with Intel(R) XDK. > Use one codebase in this all-in-one HTML5 development environment. > Design, debug & build mobile apps & 2D/3D high-impact games for multiple OSs. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=254741911&iu=/4140 > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on Fujitsu Siemens FUTRO S400
> On 7 dec. 2015, at 18:27, andy pugh wrote: > > On 7 December 2015 at 14:22, Paul Lacatus (Personal) > wrote: >> Right now the computer is a tower PC with a celeron 900MHz that is bigger >> than the MF70 > > > An alternative to this if the disparate sizes of the machine and the > controller are a problem, might be one of the VESA mount mini-ITX > computer cases, and a known-good mini-ITX board. > > Then you can hide the PC behind the minotaur. (or, for less Classical > danger, behind the monitor (I liked the typo)). > > For even more littleness, the BeagleBone Black and Machinekit might be > an option. > > My first idea was to use a beaglebone black but it needs a cape to emulate the parallel port and also a hdmi monitor. For a try with the thin client I need only a 8GB CF card. I think I'll try. I think it have 512 MB ram since it was running XP . What version of linuxcnc is recommended ? -- Go from Idea to Many App Stores Faster with Intel(R) XDK Give your users amazing mobile app experiences with Intel(R) XDK. Use one codebase in this all-in-one HTML5 development environment. Design, debug & build mobile apps & 2D/3D high-impact games for multiple OSs. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=254741911&iu=/4140 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] BBB and LCD 7"
On Element 14 there is BBview : http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-55844/l/element14-bb-view-lcd-cape-for-beaglebone-family-boards I have tested the 4" version but not on machinekit , on debian . On 3/12/2014 2:21 AM, Charles Buckley wrote: > I am using a lilliput 7 inch, but that is on x86. Not sure about the touch > drivers on BBB. > > I tried modifying gaxis for gscreen, but it was hit or miss in terms of > functionality. It would drop into a weird state where it would not home > because it thought it was homing an axis. > > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Condit Alan wrote: > >> I had a 7" LCD cape on order from Mouser for several months and finally >> gave up and cancelled the order. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions for a good 7" LCD touch screen to use >> with the BBB and LinuxCNC? >> >> Alan >> >> -- >> Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book >> "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their >> applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field, >> this first edition is now available. Download your free book today! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/13534_NeoTech >> ___ >> Emc-users mailing list >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> > -- > Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book > "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their > applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field, > this first edition is now available. Download your free book today! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/13534_NeoTech > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field, this first edition is now available. Download your free book today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/13534_NeoTech ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] BB-View can be used as display and touchscreen for LinuxCNC ?
Hi everybody , I found now that there are available the new capes BB-View composed by an LCD and resistive touchscreen. From the presentation was not clear to me if this LCD became the main Linux display or it is a complete different display used only for special applications. Some data at http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-55844/l/element14-bb-view-lcd-cape-for-beaglebone-family-boards Sent from my iPad -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on beaglebone black with Raspberry Pi display
On 13.11.2013 15:09, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > On 11/13/13 01:54, Paul Lacatus (Personal) wrote: >> Hi everybody , >> >> Lately I was not following very close the list and I might be missing >> some info . I know that there is a functional implementation of Linux >> CNC on beaglebone with axis as HMI that I want to test very soon on my >> Proxxon MF70 . I am also aware that Beagle bone black has a less >> powerful GPU than Raspberry and axis generates an important load on >> the system . Checking on the internet on "element 14" I found a >> discussion about "Combining BeagleBone and Raspberry Pi" that I think >> it might be useful on this application of beaglebone Black : >> >> http://www.element14.com/community/message/53671 > Note that there is a hardware GPU on the BeagleBone Black, it just isn't > working (yet) with the 3.8 kernel. I consider the current lack of > hardware video acceleration annoying, but temporary. > > Of course, you are free to run with a remote X display if you want. I > use a mix of remote X displays and native HDMI output on my systems, > mostly depending on what monitors I do or don't have handy when testing > something. > > -- > Charles Hi Charles, Kent I am right now in progress of testing a Beaglebone Black for my small CNC. I am studying the problem now. My question is : If using a remote X display where the hardware video acceleration should be in the server or in the client . My feeling as 15 years linux user is that the acceleration should be in the X server so using a Raspberry pi that has it can be a good ideea. Paul -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Linuxcnc on beaglebone black with Raspberry Pi display
Hi everybody , Lately I was not following very close the list and I might be missing some info . I know that there is a functional implementation of Linux CNC on beaglebone with axis as HMI that I want to test very soon on my Proxxon MF70 . I am also aware that Beagle bone black has a less powerful GPU than Raspberry and axis generates an important load on the system . Checking on the internet on "element 14" I found a discussion about "Combining BeagleBone and Raspberry Pi" that I think it might be useful on this application of beaglebone Black : http://www.element14.com/community/message/53671 Paul -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] BBB Laptop Screens?
On 9/8/2013 12:53 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote: > On 09/07/2013 01:46 PM, Florian Rist wrote: >> ... forgot the easiest solution: >> >> There is a HDMI/LCD cape for the BBB: >> >> http://www.embest-tech.com/shop/product/beaglebone-hdmi-cape.html >> >> The panel directly connects to the cape - a adapter to change the >> pin-out might be necessary, though. >> >> Flo > I am also searching for a HMI solution for beagle bone running LinuxCNC . My idea is to use an inexpensive android tablet with a X11 server app that can provide a display a touch screen. I thin that this solution is affordable and much more colplete than a LCD interface with a keyboard and mouse and more space saving . For a small milling CNC I think that is better . The issue is that the tablets use only wifi connection Paul -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041391&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] BeagleBone Image Available
On 9/3/2013 3:24 AM, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > On 9/2/2013 7:14 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: >> On 09/02/2013 03:38 PM, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: >>> I have a new version of the MachineKit image for running LinuxCNC on a >>> BeagleBone available: >>> >>> Image: >>> http://bb-lcnc.blogspot.com/p/machinekit_16.html >>> >>> Announcement: >>> http://bb-lcnc.blogspot.com/2013/09/new-machinekit-image-available.html >>> >>> This is a fairly significant change from the previous versions, as I am >>> now building the kernel fully from source (pulling in the required >>> Xenomai code from git) and I have switched to the >>> unified-build-candidate branch of LinuxCNC (which is going to become 2.6?). >>> >>> Anyway, if anyone has an interest in playing with LinuxCNC on the >>> BeagleBone give it a whirl and let me know how it works for you. It >>> moves motors for me, but I have made enough changes I'd like as much >>> testing as possible. >>> >>> Thanks! >> Is there a brain dead install document or a list of things one would >> need to learn to do an installation? The wiki pages look like they were >> last updated in March? > Which wiki pages? > > My blog page with the image download should have enough to get you going > if you have some Linux experience and can figure out the device > representing your SD card reader: > > http://bb-lcnc.blogspot.com/p/machinekit_16.html > > Hi, I bought a BBB card for using on my little MF70 CNC. I am looking for a while on internet but did not found anything about using a BBB with a cape or connection to emulate the parallel port by BBB GPIO. I have seen the BeBoPr or K9 Smorgasboard that emulates the parallel port but there is not an inexpensive solution ? Only some logic level converters? Also it will be nice to have a small touch screen to be used with axis , some advicez . I am thinking as variant to use a android tablet with an x11 server app Paul -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041391&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on Beaglebone for a small mill Proxxon MF70
On 09.08.2013 15:17, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > On 8/8/2013 11:00 PM, Paul Lacatus wrote: >> On 8/9/2013 1:01 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: >>> 2013/8/8 Paul Lacatus >>>>> >>>> Done first steps by running linuxcnc in Xserver Xming on Windows 7 machine >>>> : >>>> >>>> http://www.paul-lacatus.ro/linuxcnc/Xserver.png >>> Damn, I want that picture on my wallpaper. LinuxCNC on windows :))) >> You can have it , it is not copyrighted ;) . The issue is that I don't >> understand the problem with realtime error. The load on the linuxcnc is >> small even I have used X11 tunneling trough ssh . > Is the LinuxCNC system a BeagleBone? > > No , Charles. I am not so fast . Right now it is an old computer Celeron 2GHz , 512 MB Ram runing linuxcnc . I will double check the load but I was feeling when using the Xserver on Windows 7 a lag of executing jog commands. Paul -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on Beaglebone for a small mill Proxxon MF70
On 8/9/2013 2:45 AM, Troy Jacobson wrote: > Paul, > What are you using to go from layout to gcode for your pcbs? > Troy , I am using pcb-gcode ULP extension on Eagle and after that a leveling code . Paul -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on Beaglebone for a small mill Proxxon MF70
On 8/9/2013 1:01 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2013/8/8 Paul Lacatus >> > >> Done first steps by running linuxcnc in Xserver Xming on Windows 7 machine >> : >> >> http://www.paul-lacatus.ro/linuxcnc/Xserver.png > > Damn, I want that picture on my wallpaper. LinuxCNC on windows :))) You can have it , it is not copyrighted ;) . The issue is that I don't understand the problem with realtime error. The load on the linuxcnc is small even I have used X11 tunneling trough ssh . > -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on Beaglebone for a small mill Proxxon MF70
On 8/7/2013 4:47 PM, Paul Lacatus wrote: > Excellent point of view Kent. I am more a computer "enthusiast" than a > machinist. In any moment I can use my existing old faithful computer for > machining ( mainly PCB and front panels) . But I will try also the BBW > that I already have . I will also check the Xserver /client solution > with the existing setup ( computer) in different server implementations > ( Raspi vs. computer) . Also your proposal of Atom board is very > interesting. I'll have to find a Atom MB with parallel port for tests. > Finaly i think that the old computer should vanish for this hobby CNC > and has to be replaced by a smart embedded solution with a large enough > touchscreen , a jog wheel and for sure LinuxCNC is the solution in front > of windows approaches. > > Thank you very much . > > Done first steps by running linuxcnc in Xserver Xming on Windows 7 machine : http://www.paul-lacatus.ro/linuxcnc/Xserver.png but after few seconds a real time error occured: http://www.paul-lacatus.ro/linuxcnc/real_time_error.png The feeling of runinx linux CNC in Xserver was indeed with a bit lag . Should I redo the latency test ? Paul -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Raspberry Pi was Re: Linuxcnc on Beaglebone for a small mill Proxxon MF70
On 08.08.2013 03:14, GP Orcullo wrote: >> On 7 Aug 2013, at 18:56, Andy Pugh wrote: >> >>> My MF70 is controlled by RPi running LCNC. >> Is that using the Mungkie image? >> >> I was not getting a continuous step stream with that. >> >> (Sorry to derail the thread, but I have an RPi to parport breakout board >> designed (and 20 boards, some populated). I gave some away at the Developer >> fest, but have plenty left and can get more (I thing they cost $1 each to >> have made)) > > Nope, I'm using an external hardware for step generation. > > > Very interesting your solution also. I am quite new to linux CNC and the structure of the HAL system is not quite clear for me right now . I understand that the PIC32 is used to generate the step and direction signals and receives the order by SPI interface. Exactly what is receviving the PIC32 by SPI interface? Paul -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on Beaglebone for a small mill, Proxxon MF70
Great update Dave. Very useful indeed. Paul Sent from my iPad On 07.08.2013, at 21:26, David Bagby wrote: > Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 16:01:32 +0300 > Paul Lacatus wrote: > My problem is that I need more info about LinuxCNC on BB(W/B) that I > hope to find here on the mailing list . > > This other questions still remains: > > 1. Is this card ( BBW 720MHz 256 MB ) strong enough for running LinuxCNC > headless ? Or should > I get a BeagleBone Black (1GHz / 512 MB ? > > __ > > Hi, > Your request for more information made me realize that the info that > those of us working in this area take for granted may not be obvious to > others - > So, here is some info re LCNC and Beaglebones that may help provide some > context to people considering LCNC on beaglebones. > > There are two Beaglebone boards currently available. > The original was just called the Beaglebone and it has white silk screen. > The newer member of the family is the Beaglebone Black and it has black silk > screen. > The introduction of this "Black" product caused people to start to refer to > the original as the Beaglebone White. > As the boards names are both long and a bit confusing in conversation, many > have started to use BBW and BBB as unambiguous abbreviations. > > Here are some of the significant differences between the boards from the LCNC > viewpoint. > > BBW: > US $89 > No onboard video output > Runs From SD card > Runs on a 3.2 kernel > > BBB: > US $45 > HDMI output (can run LCNC GUI - though unclear how well - I'll come back to > this) > Runs from onboard Flash (eMMC) > Also has a SD card slot > Runs on a 3.8 kernel > > Essentially all the ongoing work I'm aware of is for the BBB. There seems > little interest in further development for the BBW over the BBB. > > The difference in kernel levels between the boards means that there are major > differences in how you set up the hardware at boot time. > (3.2 uses board files, 3.8 uses device trees). This change is a Linux kernel > thing and is something that just needs to be dealt with. The change just > happened to fall in time/revision between the BBW and BBB releases. > Eventually this will be less important, but we in the transition period and > this has impacted BBB hardware support. > > LCNC (2.6pre) is running on the BBB using extensions that have not yet made > their way back into mainline LCNC. > (they are available from repositories with forked and experimentally extended > versions of LCNC) > > The BBB extensions include the need to use a custom 3.8 kernel that uses > Xenomai instead of RTAI. > One should realize that today, working with Beaglebones (or any ARM based > platform) and LCNC puts you on the bleeding edge of development. > IMHO, if one's primary interest is running a rock solid stable CNC machine > today, it's probably better to use a x86 platform. > OTOH, if one wants to play with LCNC development, come join in the fun. > > Overall IO capabilities are very similar between the two BB boards. The > addition of HDMI and eMMC to the BBB used pins (default config) that were > avail for IO on the BBW. > The BBs (both the BBW and the BBB) have connectors for "Capes" (I.e. > extension boards). > Some type of extension board interface between the BB and the outside world > is desirable to shift logic levels between the BB levels (3.3v) and the > outside world. > The LCNC oriented capes also provide additional electronics to interface to > the raw IO pins of the BBs (Motor drivers, temp sensing circuits, RS485 etc). > > Many Capes that were designed for the BBW (before the BBB was released) > happened to use pins that became allocated for HDMI or eMMC on the BBB. > This makes those capes incompatible with the BBB (as the BBB is configured > out of the box). This resulted in two types of activities: > a) redesign of capes to create new versions that work with the BBB > b) Put a "pin scrambler" adaptor between the BBB and the BBW cape. > One example of this is the "Bridge" adaptor that the BeBoPr author used to > make his BBW board work on the BBB. > c) Additional new designs are/have been being done for the BBB. > > In all cases significant new software work also had to be done to create the > 3.8 kernel device tree support needed to boot the hardware. > AS of today, many BBW capes have versions for the BBB - but probably not all > (I've not checked in a while). > > The lack of video on the BBW means that you pretty much have to run LCNC > headless on this board (unless you spend additional $ on a video cape for the > BBW).
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on Beaglebone for a small mill Proxxon MF70
On 07.08.2013 16:28, Kent A. Reed wrote: > On 8/7/2013 8:26 AM, Paul Lacatus wrote: >> On 07.08.2013 15:03, Viesturs Lācis wrote: >>> 2013/8/7 Paul Lacatus >>> >>>> Your idea is interesting but an Atom board is at a fraction of BB cost >>>> that is about 50 Euro ? And what about parallel ports on atom boards ? I >>>> will check. Thank you ! >>>> >>>> PS The BBW is just laying on my table ;) >>> BTW Beaglebone is much easier to mount somewhere in the electronics cabinet >>> The only thing that keeps me from using Beaglebone are the emails about >>> hdmi and pru fight for particular pins, so there were some difficulties >>> about them. I know that Charles has a working solution, but I do not know >>> any details. >>> Disabling hdmi and running the beaglebone headless is definitely a >>> solution, but I know that I am not that advanced to set up something like >>> that. >>> >> the BBW that I already have has no HDMI but has also low specifications >> ( comparable with RasPi that I also have 720MHz Cortex , 256 MB ) than >> BBB . I am prepared to use it headless with X11 server on other machine >> . That why I proposed Raspi for an X11 server. I like Axis toolpath >> preview and I don't want to loose it ;). On BBB I heard That is a >> "bridge cape" that is solving the pin problems. >> > Paul: > > Which are you---a machinist who wants to make chips fly or a computer > enthusiast who wants to play with new hardware/software combos? > > Please don't think I'm being snarky. > > A machinist who wants a solution which "just works" would either stick > with the oversize AT/ATX computer you already have or substitute a > downsized, presumably Intel Atom-equipped microATX board with an onboard > parallel port. The LinuxCNC wiki contains latency test data for some of > these boards. The archive of this list contains messages about the > headaches caused by the onboard graphics controllers of certain of these > boards. If you're willing to use a RPi as the Xserver for a BBW then you > should have no problem using it as well for any x86-based controller if > the onboard graphics don't work out. I'm actually a great fan of > separate Xserver terminals---what we used to call an Xterm, aka "thin > client", last century. The neat thing is, you can try this approach > right now to see if you like it, using your existing LinuxCNC as the > Xclient. > > A computer enthusiast, on the other hand, may well wish to wade into the > ARM world. There is furious activity on several levels in the LinuxCNC > community which tends to be reported in more detail on the companion > emc-developers mail list. I'm at the periphery of the developers, > helping more to test their work than to contribute to it. Impressive > gains have been made and there are some striking results (see for > example Charles Steinkuehler's YouTube videos of his 3d printing) but > I'd have to characterize the whole of the work as "not yet ready for > prime time" but "real soon now" from the standpoint of the common user. > Not only customized LinuxCNC software but also customized > capes/interface boards are emerging should you choose to play. > > If I had to compare the total cost of ownership (TCO) of the two > approaches as opposed to the first cost of the motherboard, I'd have to > say they are roughly equal, especially if one puts a dollar/euro/leu > value on one's time. [Please, gentle readers, don't start an email storm > over this observation. If you like, I'll restate it as "all hardware > approaches cost more than you expected."] > Excellent point of view Kent. I am more a computer "enthusiast" than a machinist. In any moment I can use my existing old faithful computer for machining ( mainly PCB and front panels) . But I will try also the BBW that I already have . I will also check the Xserver /client solution with the existing setup ( computer) in different server implementations ( Raspi vs. computer) . Also your proposal of Atom board is very interesting. I'll have to find a Atom MB with parallel port for tests. Finaly i think that the old computer should vanish for this hobby CNC and has to be replaced by a smart embedded solution with a large enough touchscreen , a jog wheel and for sure LinuxCNC is the solution in front of windows approaches. Thank you very much . -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on Beaglebone for a small mill Proxxon MF70
On 07.08.2013 16:22, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2013/8/7 Paul Lacatus > >> 1. Is this card ( BBW 720MHz 256 MB ) strong enough for running LinuxCNC >> headless ? >> > Since you already have the Beagle, I would say that there is only one way > to find this out for sure :)) You are right . I will get a 4GB MicroSD card to test my BBW > > >> 3. If I have already the stepper driver board controlled by LPT port of the >> computer did I need and extra hardware of interfacing BeagleBone or a >> simple logic level conversion is enough. >> > Since step/dir signals would be generated by PRUs on Beagle, all you need > is make sure about matching signal levels. > Thank you Viesturs. -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on Beaglebone for a small mill Proxxon MF70
On 07.08.2013 15:35, andy pugh wrote: > Your proposed combination ought to work well My problem is that I need more info about LinuxCNC on BB(W/B) that I hope to find here on the mailing list . This other questions still remains: 1. Is this card ( BBW 720MHz 256 MB ) strong enough for running LinuxCNC headless ? Or should I get a BeagleBone Black (1GHz / 512 MB ? 3. If I have already the stepper driver board controlled by LPT port of the computer did I need and extra hardware of interfacing BeagleBone or a simple logic level conversion is enough. Paul -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on Beaglebone for a small mill Proxxon MF70
On 07.08.2013 15:03, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2013/8/7 Paul Lacatus > >> Your idea is interesting but an Atom board is at a fraction of BB cost >> that is about 50 Euro ? And what about parallel ports on atom boards ? I >> will check. Thank you ! >> >> PS The BBW is just laying on my table ;) > > BTW Beaglebone is much easier to mount somewhere in the electronics cabinet > The only thing that keeps me from using Beaglebone are the emails about > hdmi and pru fight for particular pins, so there were some difficulties > about them. I know that Charles has a working solution, but I do not know > any details. > Disabling hdmi and running the beaglebone headless is definitely a > solution, but I know that I am not that advanced to set up something like > that. > the BBW that I already have has no HDMI but has also low specifications ( comparable with RasPi that I also have 720MHz Cortex , 256 MB ) than BBB . I am prepared to use it headless with X11 server on other machine . That why I proposed Raspi for an X11 server. I like Axis toolpath preview and I don't want to loose it ;). On BBB I heard That is a "bridge cape" that is solving the pin problems. -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on Beaglebone for a small mill Proxxon MF70
On 07.08.2013 12:35, andy pugh wrote: > On 7 August 2013 08:30, Paul Lacatus wrote: > >> 2. I need a display and keyboard near the Proxxon for setting and >> control . If I am using BBW can I use a Raspberry Pi for X11 server ? >> In that case running Axis can be overkill for BBW ( grafic acceleration >> is in Raspi ) ? > I don't think it is strictly necessary to run the BBW or BBB headless. > It is just about possible to run the Axis GUI and move hardware with > the Raspberry Pi. (Not that I can recommend that, the RPi step > generator doesn't actually appear to work properly). > > Or is there a strong reason that BBB installations have to run headless? > As far as I understood from what I found on the net the BBB grafic is not quite performant it is only a interface from the LCD interface existing also on the BBW to HDMI. In that case the load on the processor for displaying AXIS is important. That why my idea was to move this burden od x11 server to another "machine" that is better prepared for this job. The problem with RPI is that the real time kernel modules are not implemented and the access to GPIO in not fast enough for Linux CNC . This infos I got from the net maybe I am wrong. Paul -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc on Beaglebone for a small mill Proxxon MF70
Your idea is interesting but an Atom board is at a fraction of BB cost that is about 50 Euro ? And what about parallel ports on atom boards ? I will check. Thank you ! PS The BBW is just laying on my table ;) Paul On 07.08.2013 13:59, Marius Liebenberg wrote: > Paul > Why dont you just put an Atom pc together at a fraction of the cost for > a BB and other hardware to run your Linuxcnc. Or at least at the same > cost but with no hassles of any nature. > > > On 2013/08/07 09:30 AM, Paul Lacatus wrote: >> Hi everybody, >> >> My name is Paul Lacatus and I am quite new on this list. I am using >> LinuxCNC for a few months on my Proxxon MF70 converted to CNC. Up to >> this moment I am using an old Pentium 1GHz for this job as standalone >> computer. . Right not the computer is bigger than the mill and on the >> work table the computer is occupying more then 70% with a display and >> keyboard. >> >> I have read something about the implementation of LinuxCNC on BeagleBone >> Black. I have available a BeagleBone white ( 720 MHz 256 MB ram) . My >> questions now : >> >> 1. Is this card strong enough for running LinuxCNC headless ? Or should >> I get a BeagleBone Black (1GHz / 512 MB ? >> 2. I need a display and keyboard near the Proxxon for setting and >> control . If I am using BBW can I use a Raspberry Pi for X11 server ? >> In that case running Axis can be overkill for BBW ( grafic acceleration >> is in Raspi ) ? >> 3. If I have already the driver board controlled by LPT port of the >> computer did I need and extra hardware of interfacing BeagleBone or a >> simple logic level conversion is enough. >> >> Paul >> >> -- >> Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! >> It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. >> Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. >> Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> ___ >> Emc-users mailing list >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Linuxcnc on Beaglebone for a small mill Proxxon MF70
Hi everybody, My name is Paul Lacatus and I am quite new on this list. I am using LinuxCNC for a few months on my Proxxon MF70 converted to CNC. Up to this moment I am using an old Pentium 1GHz for this job as standalone computer. . Right not the computer is bigger than the mill and on the work table the computer is occupying more then 70% with a display and keyboard. I have read something about the implementation of LinuxCNC on BeagleBone Black. I have available a BeagleBone white ( 720 MHz 256 MB ram) . My questions now : 1. Is this card strong enough for running LinuxCNC headless ? Or should I get a BeagleBone Black (1GHz / 512 MB ? 2. I need a display and keyboard near the Proxxon for setting and control . If I am using BBW can I use a Raspberry Pi for X11 server ? In that case running Axis can be overkill for BBW ( grafic acceleration is in Raspi ) ? 3. If I have already the driver board controlled by LPT port of the computer did I need and extra hardware of interfacing BeagleBone or a simple logic level conversion is enough. Paul -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
