Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[jeshua]

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Valerio Bellizzomi  wrote:
> 
> so now you can retry my config problably this time with luck :-)

HI Valerio,

It was pretty forgiving on the timing settings - we used the Sherline defaults.


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Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[Valerio Bellizzomi]

On Sat, 2016-04-02 at 18:00 -0600, jeshua wrote:
> > On Mar 28, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > 
> > On Monday 28 March 2016 19:48:26 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > 
> >> On Monday 28 March 2016 16:21:36 jeshua wrote:
>  On Mar 26, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Sarah Armstrong
>   wrote:
>  
>  this all depends if you have connected the EN - ( enable - ) of
>  the stepper drives ,
>  all the + pins go to 5v
>  step -  = pul & dir - = direction
>  
>  if you have it's probable that you have this inverted or requires
>  inverting , for testing just leave this unconnected until you have
>  everything running beware some Bobs also require an enable input ,
>  although at first glance this particular board looks
>  straightforward
> >>> 
> >>> The motors go dead when I unplug the enable.
> >>> 
> > Which tells me they need an active enable, so hook the 5 volts to the + 
> > terminal, and something that goes to ground when LCNC is enabled to all 
> > the - enable terminals.  Or, just hard wire the - enable to ground them 
> > & leave them on.
> 
> Hi Gene,
> 
> Brilliant!!! You made one really happy person (plus gave me the satisfaction 
> of being able to help a friend) thanks to you!
> 
> That was it - we needed to run negative to al the negative terminals.
> 
> I wish you could have seen his face light up when we got the motor to move 
> the first time! Thank you!


so now you can retry my config problably this time with luck :-)

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jeshua Lacock
> Founder/Engineer
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Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[jeshua]

> On Mar 28, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> 
> On Monday 28 March 2016 19:48:26 Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
>> On Monday 28 March 2016 16:21:36 jeshua wrote:
 On Mar 26, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Sarah Armstrong
  wrote:
 
 this all depends if you have connected the EN - ( enable - ) of
 the stepper drives ,
 all the + pins go to 5v
 step -  = pul & dir - = direction
 
 if you have it's probable that you have this inverted or requires
 inverting , for testing just leave this unconnected until you have
 everything running beware some Bobs also require an enable input ,
 although at first glance this particular board looks
 straightforward
>>> 
>>> The motors go dead when I unplug the enable.
>>> 
> Which tells me they need an active enable, so hook the 5 volts to the + 
> terminal, and something that goes to ground when LCNC is enabled to all 
> the - enable terminals.  Or, just hard wire the - enable to ground them 
> & leave them on.

Hi Gene,

Brilliant!!! You made one really happy person (plus gave me the satisfaction of 
being able to help a friend) thanks to you!

That was it - we needed to run negative to al the negative terminals.

I wish you could have seen his face light up when we got the motor to move the 
first time! Thank you!


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Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[Valerio Bellizzomi]

On Mon, 2016-03-28 at 14:26 -0600, jeshua wrote:
> > On Mar 28, 2016, at 12:49 AM, Valerio Bellizzomi  wrote:
> > 
> > I had to configure a tb6560 with nema 34 motors, like that:
> > 
> > step time: 1
> > step space: 1000
> > step hold: 1000
> > step setup: 1
> 
> Hi Valerio,
> 
> I just tried those values, no luck.
> 
> > however the wirings on the board manual were wrong, the *motor* manual
> > saved me.
> 
> Could you clarify exactly what wirings where wrong on your board? Its not 
> clear to me eater how a motor manual would tell you what the pins on the 
> board are.


the motor wirings were wrong on the board manual, but the motor manual
will tell you the *colors* and position of wires from the motor to the
board.



> 
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> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 28 March 2016 19:48:26 Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Monday 28 March 2016 16:21:36 jeshua wrote:
> > > On Mar 26, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Sarah Armstrong
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > this all depends if you have connected the EN - ( enable - ) of
> > > the stepper drives ,
> > > all the + pins go to 5v
> > > step -  = pul & dir - = direction
> > >
> > > if you have it's probable that you have this inverted or requires
> > > inverting , for testing just leave this unconnected until you have
> > > everything running beware some Bobs also require an enable input ,
> > > although at first glance this particular board looks
> > > straightforward
> >
> > The motors go dead when I unplug the enable.
> >
Which tells me they need an active enable, so hook the 5 volts to the + 
terminal, and something that goes to ground when LCNC is enabled to all 
the - enable terminals.  Or, just hard wire the - enable to ground them 
& leave them on.

> > You say all the + pins go to 5v. I just tired that using the +5v
> > from the enable to connect to the pulse + and dir +, the controller
> > dir to the dir - and the controller step - to the pulse - and still
> > no dice. Is that what you meant?
>
> Yes I'd say that is what Sarah was saying, but we are going to need to
> see some voltages I think.
>
> > Best,
> >
> > Jeshua Lacock
> > Founder/Engineer
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> >
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 28 March 2016 16:24:15 jeshua wrote:

> > On Mar 26, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >
> > And I looked at my 2m542's today, and found nothing attached to the
> > enable terminals, + or - side.  I was thinking they defaulted to on
> > if not specifically shut off, so my memory was correct.  I too have
> > heard less that glowing reports about the first couple of the TB65xx
> > series boards.  And like Dave, the TB6600 seems to gaining favor as
> > a dependable but slightly lower current nema 23 driver.  Apparently
> > an inexpensive replacement for the finiky xylotex drivers.
>
> Hi Gene,
>
> Seems like we are seeing the opposite behavior. No motor power unless
> I have the enables connected.
>
>
I wondered about that, as it does seem counterintuitive, but all of my 
2m542's are not enable wired, and neither is the DM860A.  They are 
enabled by default.  If those follow the crowd, and the - enable is 
going to ground when you hit the test button, its possible that that is 
wrong.  ONOH, if they need - taken to ground to enable, then the hal 
logic needs inverted...

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>
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Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 28 March 2016 16:21:36 jeshua wrote:

> > On Mar 26, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Sarah Armstrong
> >  wrote:
> >
> > this all depends if you have connected the EN - ( enable - ) of the
> > stepper drives ,
> > all the + pins go to 5v
> > step -  = pul & dir - = direction
> >
> > if you have it's probable that you have this inverted or requires
> > inverting , for testing just leave this unconnected until you have
> > everything running beware some Bobs also require an enable input ,
> > although at first glance this particular board looks straightforward
>
> The motors go dead when I unplug the enable.
>
> You say all the + pins go to 5v. I just tired that using the +5v from
> the enable to connect to the pulse + and dir +, the controller dir to
> the dir - and the controller step - to the pulse - and still no dice.
> Is that what you meant?
>
Yes I'd say that is what Sarah was saying, but we are going to need to 
see some voltages I think.
>
> Best,
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 28 March 2016 16:18:18 jeshua wrote:

> > On Mar 26, 2016, at 7:13 AM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >
> > I am not fam with that driver Jeshua, but most of these  drivers
> > have 3 inputs, step, dir, and enable. I suspect the enable might not
> > be wired correctly.  In my setups, using the 2m542 driver, IIRC
> > leaving the enables unconnected actually enables them.  Or  you can
> > use a pin on the BoB to drive all 3 of them if the BoB's output has
> > enough current sinking ability to drive all the axis's drivers, and
> > you actually have a spare pin on the BoB.
> >
> > I just checked the .hal file for my G0704, and the only place I am
> > sending the motion modules axis#-enable signals is to the pid's &
> > stepgen's in the 5i25, so I either do not have the driver enables
> > wired to the BoB, or they are wired permanently in the on state. 
> > Probably the latter, and I can get a ladder (that box is on a high
> > shelf to miss most of the swarf but the lid is off, when I find my
> > round tuit, I'll modify a drill pattern and put an exhaust fan on
> > the lid) and check because I know all the + terminals are hard wired
> > to a 5 volt bus, but do not, nearly 2 years later, remember if I
> > just grounded the - terminals, or they are tied someplace active.
> >
> > But that is something to check, the 6550 may have to be wired "on"
> > at its enable input. I do not have manual wheels on any axis, so no
> > reason to disable the drivers to make them easier to turn exists.
> >
> > This may not be the problem, but its also something that might trip
> > up a builder. I hope it helps.
>
> Hi Gene,
>
> Thanks for all the suggestions everyone.
>
> Hmm, I think the one thing I do have wired up correctly is the
> enabled.
>
> Because as it is the motor is off until I press the “Test Axis” button
> in the stepper wizard, then immediately holds its position under power
> (and makes a high pitch whine). If I unplug the enable, or close the
> Test Axis dialog, the motor goes dead. Why we are not getting the 2nd
> LED lit I have no idea.

This makes me ask if perchance, you are feeding the step signal to the 
dir and vice versa? In that event toggling the dir will probably make it 
step back and forth whatever small fraction of a step the microstepping 
switches are set to, and that could make a 1 khz tone w/o moving the 
motor more than a couple arc-minutes.

Thats the sort of thing I'd trot out an o-scope to look at just to 
confirm I screwed up ( don't ask me how I know ).  Since you might not 
understand what you are looking at on the scopes screen, I won't push 
that, other then to have you check, from the generated .hal file, all 
the way thru to the drivers inputs, that the signals haven't crossed 
each other.  There are several places that could happen, including 
the .hal file itself.
>
> I still am not sure why the driver has Pulse + / - and Dir + / -. I am
> accustomed to only a single pulse and dir.
>
They are opto-coupled, and both ends of the opto device must be connected 
to the world inhabited by the BOB and its power supply.  And because the 
BOBs usually have a TTL output, they can pull 10x the current to ground 
that they can pull up to the 5 volt rail, so normally we feed the 5 
volts to the + terminals, and the control signal from the BOB goes to 
the - terminal of that input.  This give at least a 1500 volt barrier 
that only the light from the optocoupler can cross, preventing voltage 
spikes from destroying either the BOB, or the rest of the input 
circuitry in the driver.

One caveat:  Crossing that barrier can and will screw up the linearity of 
controlling a PWM controlled motor, so I've been forced to extract the 
opto's in the BOB before I could control the spindle motor at all well.  
They tend of have a much shorter turn on than turn off time.

> If I understand correctly, I just tried connecting the signals from
> the controller to the - pins and the +5v from the enable to the plus
> pins, but no luck.

With the drive inactive, meter that 5 volt line making sure its within .2 
volts of 5 volts.  Then read the - pins, which s/b effectively open 
circuited, and reading something in the 3.5 to 4.2 volts, dropping to a 
few tens of millivolts if you send it a signal to run at the high speed 
limit, say a 99% ON PWM signal, and since the logic is upside down, you 
will read a pretty low volage.

> Since I have wired this up based this a photograph (from someone that
> has it running with LinuxCNC in a video), can anyone point me to a
> diagram for a similar setup? Guess we will try contacting the author,
> see if he responds. In the picture shown, it looks like he is only
> using the Dir + and Pulse +, I don’t see any leads to the - pins.
>
> http://www.technoshamanarchist.net/wp-content/uploads/electronics_2.jp
>g

Neither do I, but the pix was taken at the perfect angle to hide that. :)

> Best,
>
> Jeshua Lacock
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>
>
> 

Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[jeshua]

> On Mar 28, 2016, at 12:49 AM, Valerio Bellizzomi  wrote:
> 
> I had to configure a tb6560 with nema 34 motors, like that:
> 
> step time: 1
> step space: 1000
> step hold: 1000
> step setup: 1

Hi Valerio,

I just tried those values, no luck.

> however the wirings on the board manual were wrong, the *motor* manual
> saved me.

Could you clarify exactly what wirings where wrong on your board? Its not clear 
to me eater how a motor manual would tell you what the pins on the board are.


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Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[jeshua]

> On Mar 26, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> 
> And I looked at my 2m542's today, and found nothing attached to the 
> enable terminals, + or - side.  I was thinking they defaulted to on if 
> not specifically shut off, so my memory was correct.  I too have heard 
> less that glowing reports about the first couple of the TB65xx series 
> boards.  And like Dave, the TB6600 seems to gaining favor as a 
> dependable but slightly lower current nema 23 driver.  Apparently an 
> inexpensive replacement for the finiky xylotex drivers.

Hi Gene,

Seems like we are seeing the opposite behavior. No motor power unless I have 
the enables connected.


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Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[jeshua]

> On Mar 26, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Dave Cole  wrote:
> 
> There are many web pages on issues with those TB6560 boards and how to 
> fix them.Many of the webpages end with "this was not worth the 
> effort" type messages.
> I would avoid the TB6560 boards.

Hi Dave,

Well these certainly would not have been my first pick, but its a matter of 
working with what someone purchased (and had a budget for).

;)


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Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[jeshua]

> On Mar 26, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Sarah Armstrong  
> wrote:
> 
> this all depends if you have connected the EN - ( enable - ) of the stepper
> drives ,
> all the + pins go to 5v
> step -  = pul & dir - = direction
> 
> if you have it's probable that you have this inverted or requires inverting
> , for testing just leave this unconnected until you have everything running
> beware some Bobs also require an enable input , although at first glance
> this particular board looks straightforward

The motors go dead when I unplug the enable.

You say all the + pins go to 5v. I just tired that using the +5v from the 
enable to connect to the pulse + and dir +, the controller dir to the dir - and 
the controller step - to the pulse - and still no dice. Is that what you meant?


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Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[jeshua]

> On Mar 26, 2016, at 7:13 AM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> 
> I am not fam with that driver Jeshua, but most of these  drivers have 3 
> inputs, step, dir, and enable. I suspect the enable might not be wired 
> correctly.  In my setups, using the 2m542 driver, IIRC leaving the 
> enables unconnected actually enables them.  Or  you can use a pin on the 
> BoB to drive all 3 of them if the BoB's output has enough current 
> sinking ability to drive all the axis's drivers, and you actually have a 
> spare pin on the BoB.
> 
> I just checked the .hal file for my G0704, and the only place I am 
> sending the motion modules axis#-enable signals is to the pid's & 
> stepgen's in the 5i25, so I either do not have the driver enables wired 
> to the BoB, or they are wired permanently in the on state.  Probably the 
> latter, and I can get a ladder (that box is on a high shelf to miss most 
> of the swarf but the lid is off, when I find my round tuit, I'll modify 
> a drill pattern and put an exhaust fan on the lid) and check because I 
> know all the + terminals are hard wired to a 5 volt bus, but do not, 
> nearly 2 years later, remember if I just grounded the - terminals, or 
> they are tied someplace active.
> 
> But that is something to check, the 6550 may have to be wired "on" at its 
> enable input. I do not have manual wheels on any axis, so no reason to 
> disable the drivers to make them easier to turn exists.
> 
> This may not be the problem, but its also something that might trip up a 
> builder. I hope it helps.


Hi Gene,

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone.

Hmm, I think the one thing I do have wired up correctly is the enabled.

Because as it is the motor is off until I press the “Test Axis” button in the 
stepper wizard, then immediately holds its position under power (and makes a 
high pitch whine). If I unplug the enable, or close the Test Axis dialog, the 
motor goes dead. Why we are not getting the 2nd LED lit I have no idea.

I still am not sure why the driver has Pulse + / - and Dir + / -. I am 
accustomed to only a single pulse and dir. 

If I understand correctly, I just tried connecting the signals from the 
controller to the - pins and the +5v from the enable to the plus pins, but no 
luck.

Since I have wired this up based this a photograph (from someone that has it 
running with LinuxCNC in a video), can anyone point me to a diagram for a 
similar setup? Guess we will try contacting the author, see if he responds. In 
the picture shown, it looks like he is only using the Dir + and Pulse +, I 
don’t see any leads to the - pins.

http://www.technoshamanarchist.net/wp-content/uploads/electronics_2.jpg


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Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[Valerio Bellizzomi]

On Sat, 2016-03-26 at 00:49 -0600, jeshua wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> I am attempting to assist a friend setting up a HY-JK02-M 5-axis Interface 
> Board with Axis running HY-DIV168N-3.5A drivers.
> 
> Controller Manual: http://www.tecnoflexo.com.br/site/fotos/download/17/17.pdf
> Driver Manual: 
> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/images/detailed_images2/file/76081%20HY-DIV168N-3_5A.pdf
> 
> Actually, seems like the interface board is all properly configured, but we 
> cannot get the motor to move. In the stepper config, when we go to test the 
> drive the stepper comes on and holds its position. We can see the correct 
> axes led indicator light up when it is commanded to move. But no motion. Axis 
> launches, and the machine power button works as expected. No motion though.
> 
> I found someone running the same configuration here:
> 
> http://www.technoshamanarchist.net/?p=98
> 
> It states calculated these values:
> 
> Step time: 3 ns
> Step space: 8500 ns
> Direction Hold or Direction Setup values, some people set it to 2
> 
> But then thats all it states on the configuration and never confirms if it 
> those values work or not (next post is running). We have the cards wired up 
> exactly the same as shown in the pictures.
> 
> Also, in videos I have seen of the driver in action, they have two red LEDs 
> lit, we only have one power LED lit, we can’t get the “run” LED on.
> 
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jeshua Lacock
> Founder/Engineer
> <3DTOPO.com>
> GlassPrinted.com


I had to configure a tb6560 with nema 34 motors, like that:

step time: 1
step space: 1000
step hold: 1000
step setup: 1

however the wirings on the board manual were wrong, the *motor* manual
saved me.




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Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 26 March 2016 12:32:28 Dave Cole wrote:

> On 3/26/2016 1:49 AM, jeshua wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I am attempting to assist a friend setting up a HY-JK02-M 5-axis
> > Interface Board with Axis running HY-DIV168N-3.5A drivers.
> >
> > Controller Manual:
> > http://www.tecnoflexo.com.br/site/fotos/download/17/17.pdf Driver
> > Manual:
> > http://www.goodluckbuy.com/images/detailed_images2/file/76081%20HY-D
> >IV168N-3_5A.pdf
> >
> > Actually, seems like the interface board is all properly configured,
> > but we cannot get the motor to move. In the stepper config, when we
> > go to test the drive the stepper comes on and holds its position. We
> > can see the correct axes led indicator light up when it is commanded
> > to move. But no motion. Axis launches, and the machine power button
> > works as expected. No motion though.
> >
> > I found someone running the same configuration here:
> >
> > http://www.technoshamanarchist.net/?p=98
> >
> > It states calculated these values:
> >
> > Step time: 3 ns
> > Step space: 8500 ns
> > Direction Hold or Direction Setup values, some people set it to
> > 2
> >
> > But then thats all it states on the configuration and never confirms
> > if it those values work or not (next post is running). We have the
> > cards wired up exactly the same as shown in the pictures.
> >
> > Also, in videos I have seen of the driver in action, they have two
> > red LEDs lit, we only have one power LED lit, we can’t get the “run”
> > LED on.
> >
> > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jeshua Lacock
> > Founder/Engineer
> > <3DTOPO.com>
> > GlassPrinted.com
>
> There are many web pages on issues with those TB6560 boards and how to
> fix them.Many of the webpages end with "this was not worth the
> effort" type messages.
> I would avoid the TB6560 boards.
>
> Check this out... and there are many more..
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mach1mach2cnc/conversations/topics
>/140555
>
> The TB6600 based boards seem to be much more robust.I setup some
> TB6600 individual drives with some Nema 23 motors last year and they
> worked fine out of the box.   I think they were $18 per axis or
> something crazy cheap like that.
>
> Dave
>
And I looked at my 2m542's today, and found nothing attached to the 
enable terminals, + or - side.  I was thinking they defaulted to on if 
not specifically shut off, so my memory was correct.  I too have heard 
less that glowing reports about the first couple of the TB65xx series 
boards.  And like Dave, the TB6600 seems to gaining favor as a 
dependable but slightly lower current nema 23 driver.  Apparently an 
inexpensive replacement for the finiky xylotex drivers.
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Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[Dave Cole]

On 3/26/2016 1:49 AM, jeshua wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I am attempting to assist a friend setting up a HY-JK02-M 5-axis Interface 
> Board with Axis running HY-DIV168N-3.5A drivers.
>
> Controller Manual: http://www.tecnoflexo.com.br/site/fotos/download/17/17.pdf
> Driver Manual: 
> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/images/detailed_images2/file/76081%20HY-DIV168N-3_5A.pdf
>
> Actually, seems like the interface board is all properly configured, but we 
> cannot get the motor to move. In the stepper config, when we go to test the 
> drive the stepper comes on and holds its position. We can see the correct 
> axes led indicator light up when it is commanded to move. But no motion. Axis 
> launches, and the machine power button works as expected. No motion though.
>
> I found someone running the same configuration here:
>
> http://www.technoshamanarchist.net/?p=98
>
> It states calculated these values:
>
> Step time: 3 ns
> Step space: 8500 ns
> Direction Hold or Direction Setup values, some people set it to 2
>
> But then thats all it states on the configuration and never confirms if it 
> those values work or not (next post is running). We have the cards wired up 
> exactly the same as shown in the pictures.
>
> Also, in videos I have seen of the driver in action, they have two red LEDs 
> lit, we only have one power LED lit, we can’t get the “run” LED on.
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Jeshua Lacock
> Founder/Engineer
> <3DTOPO.com>
> GlassPrinted.com
>
>
There are many web pages on issues with those TB6560 boards and how to 
fix them.Many of the webpages end with "this was not worth the 
effort" type messages.
I would avoid the TB6560 boards.

Check this out... and there are many more..
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mach1mach2cnc/conversations/topics/140555

The TB6600 based boards seem to be much more robust.I setup some 
TB6600 individual drives with some Nema 23 motors last year and they 
worked fine out of the box.   I think they were $18 per axis or 
something crazy cheap like that.

Dave


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Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[Sarah Armstrong]

this all depends if you have connected the EN - ( enable - ) of the stepper
drives ,
all the + pins go to 5v
step -  = pul & dir - = direction

if you have it's probable that you have this inverted or requires inverting
, for testing just leave this unconnected until you have everything running
beware some Bobs also require an enable input , although at first glance
this particular board looks straightforward


On 26 March 2016 at 13:13, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Saturday 26 March 2016 02:49:55 jeshua wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I am attempting to assist a friend setting up a HY-JK02-M 5-axis
> > Interface Board with Axis running HY-DIV168N-3.5A drivers.
> >
> > Controller Manual:
> > http://www.tecnoflexo.com.br/site/fotos/download/17/17.pdf Driver
> > Manual:
> > http://www.goodluckbuy.com/images/detailed_images2/file/76081%20HY-DIV
> >168N-3_5A.pdf
> >
> > Actually, seems like the interface board is all properly configured,
> > but we cannot get the motor to move. In the stepper config, when we go
> > to test the drive the stepper comes on and holds its position. We can
> > see the correct axes led indicator light up when it is commanded to
> > move. But no motion. Axis launches, and the machine power button works
> > as expected. No motion though.
> >
> > I found someone running the same configuration here:
> >
> > http://www.technoshamanarchist.net/?p=98
> >
> > It states calculated these values:
> >
> > Step time: 3 ns
> > Step space: 8500 ns
> > Direction Hold or Direction Setup values, some people set it to 2
> >
> > But then thats all it states on the configuration and never confirms
> > if it those values work or not (next post is running). We have the
> > cards wired up exactly the same as shown in the pictures.
> >
> > Also, in videos I have seen of the driver in action, they have two red
> > LEDs lit, we only have one power LED lit, we can’t get the “run” LED
> > on.
> >
> > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> I am not fam with that driver Jeshua, but most of these  drivers have 3
> inputs, step, dir, and enable. I suspect the enable might not be wired
> correctly.  In my setups, using the 2m542 driver, IIRC leaving the
> enables unconnected actually enables them.  Or  you can use a pin on the
> BoB to drive all 3 of them if the BoB's output has enough current
> sinking ability to drive all the axis's drivers, and you actually have a
> spare pin on the BoB.
>
> I just checked the .hal file for my G0704, and the only place I am
> sending the motion modules axis#-enable signals is to the pid's &
> stepgen's in the 5i25, so I either do not have the driver enables wired
> to the BoB, or they are wired permanently in the on state.  Probably the
> latter, and I can get a ladder (that box is on a high shelf to miss most
> of the swarf but the lid is off, when I find my round tuit, I'll modify
> a drill pattern and put an exhaust fan on the lid) and check because I
> know all the + terminals are hard wired to a 5 volt bus, but do not,
> nearly 2 years later, remember if I just grounded the - terminals, or
> they are tied someplace active.
>
> But that is something to check, the 6550 may have to be wired "on" at its
> enable input. I do not have manual wheels on any axis, so no reason to
> disable the drivers to make them easier to turn exists.
>
> This may not be the problem, but its also something that might trip up a
> builder. I hope it helps.
>
> > Best,
> >
> > Jeshua Lacock
> > Founder/Engineer
> > <3DTOPO.com>
> > GlassPrinted.com
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: [Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 26 March 2016 02:49:55 jeshua wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I am attempting to assist a friend setting up a HY-JK02-M 5-axis
> Interface Board with Axis running HY-DIV168N-3.5A drivers.
>
> Controller Manual:
> http://www.tecnoflexo.com.br/site/fotos/download/17/17.pdf Driver
> Manual:
> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/images/detailed_images2/file/76081%20HY-DIV
>168N-3_5A.pdf
>
> Actually, seems like the interface board is all properly configured,
> but we cannot get the motor to move. In the stepper config, when we go
> to test the drive the stepper comes on and holds its position. We can
> see the correct axes led indicator light up when it is commanded to
> move. But no motion. Axis launches, and the machine power button works
> as expected. No motion though.
>
> I found someone running the same configuration here:
>
> http://www.technoshamanarchist.net/?p=98
>
> It states calculated these values:
>
> Step time: 3 ns
> Step space: 8500 ns
> Direction Hold or Direction Setup values, some people set it to 2
>
> But then thats all it states on the configuration and never confirms
> if it those values work or not (next post is running). We have the
> cards wired up exactly the same as shown in the pictures.
>
> Also, in videos I have seen of the driver in action, they have two red
> LEDs lit, we only have one power LED lit, we can’t get the “run” LED
> on.
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I am not fam with that driver Jeshua, but most of these  drivers have 3 
inputs, step, dir, and enable. I suspect the enable might not be wired 
correctly.  In my setups, using the 2m542 driver, IIRC leaving the 
enables unconnected actually enables them.  Or  you can use a pin on the 
BoB to drive all 3 of them if the BoB's output has enough current 
sinking ability to drive all the axis's drivers, and you actually have a 
spare pin on the BoB.

I just checked the .hal file for my G0704, and the only place I am 
sending the motion modules axis#-enable signals is to the pid's & 
stepgen's in the 5i25, so I either do not have the driver enables wired 
to the BoB, or they are wired permanently in the on state.  Probably the 
latter, and I can get a ladder (that box is on a high shelf to miss most 
of the swarf but the lid is off, when I find my round tuit, I'll modify 
a drill pattern and put an exhaust fan on the lid) and check because I 
know all the + terminals are hard wired to a 5 volt bus, but do not, 
nearly 2 years later, remember if I just grounded the - terminals, or 
they are tied someplace active.

But that is something to check, the 6550 may have to be wired "on" at its 
enable input. I do not have manual wheels on any axis, so no reason to 
disable the drivers to make them easier to turn exists.

This may not be the problem, but its also something that might trip up a 
builder. I hope it helps.

> Best,
>
> Jeshua Lacock
> Founder/Engineer
> <3DTOPO.com>
> GlassPrinted.com

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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[Emc-users] Configuring TB6560 Stepper Drivers

[jeshua]

Greetings,

I am attempting to assist a friend setting up a HY-JK02-M 5-axis Interface 
Board with Axis running HY-DIV168N-3.5A drivers.

Controller Manual: http://www.tecnoflexo.com.br/site/fotos/download/17/17.pdf
Driver Manual: 
http://www.goodluckbuy.com/images/detailed_images2/file/76081%20HY-DIV168N-3_5A.pdf

Actually, seems like the interface board is all properly configured, but we 
cannot get the motor to move. In the stepper config, when we go to test the 
drive the stepper comes on and holds its position. We can see the correct axes 
led indicator light up when it is commanded to move. But no motion. Axis 
launches, and the machine power button works as expected. No motion though.

I found someone running the same configuration here:

http://www.technoshamanarchist.net/?p=98

It states calculated these values:

Step time: 3 ns
Step space: 8500 ns
Direction Hold or Direction Setup values, some people set it to 2

But then thats all it states on the configuration and never confirms if it 
those values work or not (next post is running). We have the cards wired up 
exactly the same as shown in the pictures.

Also, in videos I have seen of the driver in action, they have two red LEDs 
lit, we only have one power LED lit, we can’t get the “run” LED on.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Best,

Jeshua Lacock
Founder/Engineer
<3DTOPO.com>
GlassPrinted.com


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