[Emc-users] Dell dimension 2400
Hello all,I am looking for a computer to use for a lathe retrofit. I intend on using a 5i20.My question is about Dell dimension 2400's. This has shown good latency tests as shown on webpage: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Latency-Test It also shows that it has an Intel 845GV chipset. Will this chipset have the same problems as the chipset "Intel 82845 845" as listed on webpage:http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?FixingSMIIssuesAny information would be helpful!Thanks,Will Baden _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009 -- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It is the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400
Hi, Will. I'm the culprit who posted the Dell Dimension 2400 timing numbers. They were obtained in a "drive-by" test of a friend's PC running the EMC2 LiveCD (I think it was the Ubuntu 8.04 version but I don't remember for sure). Nothing was done to his BIOS settings and, of course, the SMI "fixes" described in the Wiki weren't in place. I ran the latency-test for a number of hours. The results looked good enough that I've put in a claim on my friend's 2400 when he upgrades, but, at this point, I can't honestly say there will or will not prove to be SMI issues. If the system doesn't work out as an EMC2 controller, then I'll press it into service as a back-end server. Good luck. Wish I had a lathe to retrofit :-) Regards, Kent PS - your question illustrates why we need to be as complete as possible in describing the systems reported in the latency-test database. > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:33:10 + > From: William Baden > Subject: [Emc-users] Dell dimension 2400 > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > Hello all,I am looking for a computer to use for a lathe retrofit. I intend > on using a 5i20.My question is about Dell dimension 2400's. This has shown > good latency tests as shown on webpage: > http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Latency-Test It also shows that > it has an Intel 845GV chipset. Will this chipset have the same problems as > the chipset "Intel 82845 845" as listed on > webpage:http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?FixingSMIIssuesAny > information would be helpful!Thanks,Will Baden > _ > -- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It is the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400
Thanks for the input Kent! So we do not know if it will/won't have the SMI issue.I might just move on from 2400s and look for good working machines.Thanks,Will Baden> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:26:59 -0500> From: knbr...@erols.com> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400> > Hi, Will.> > I'm the culprit who posted the Dell Dimension 2400 timing numbers. They > were obtained in a "drive-by" test of a friend's PC running the EMC2 > LiveCD (I think it was the Ubuntu 8.04 version but I don't remember for > sure). Nothing was done to his BIOS settings and, of course, the SMI > "fixes" described in the Wiki weren't in place.> > I ran the latency-test for a number of hours. The results looked good > enough that I've put in a claim on my friend's 2400 when he upgrades, > but, at this point, I can't honestly say there will or will not prove to > be SMI issues. If the system doesn't work out as an EMC2 controller, > then I'll press it into service as a back-end server.> > Good luck. Wish I had a lathe to retrofit :-)> > Regards,> Kent> > PS - your question illustrates why we need to be as complete as possible > in describing the systems reported in the latency-test database.>> Message: 6>> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:33:10 +>> From: William Baden >> Subject: [Emc-users] Dell dimension 2400>> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252">>>>>> Hello all,I am looking for a computer to use for a lathe retrofit. I intend on using a 5i20.My question is about Dell dimension 2400's. This has shown good latency tests as shown on webpage: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Latency-Test It also shows that it has an Intel 845GV chipset. Will this chipset have the same problems as the chipset "Intel 82845 845" as listed on webpage:http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?FixingSMIIssuesAny information would be helpful!Thanks,Will Baden>> _>> > > > --> Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.> It is the best place to buy or sell services for> just about anything Open Source.> http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB> ___> Emc-users mailing list> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_012009 -- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It is the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400
If you already have the box, then just load up a copy of EMC2 and get it running. Don't fret too much about the "perfect" machine to run it on at this point. This will give you the opporutunity to get the "feel" of the software first hand. The beaty of EMC2 is that you can easily swap out the computer anytime. No going to the software producer and saying I need to migrate the license. If its still early in your build, then you can at least get some experience playing with EMC using the simulator. -- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It is the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400
William Baden wrote: > Thanks for the input Kent! So we do not know if it will/won't have the SMI > issue.I might just move on from 2400s Don't get fixated on the SMI issue. Unlike many latency killers, it has a straightforward fix - you just load the rtai_smi module and get on with things. If you have the computer already, it seems silly not to test it. You could have had the answers in the time it has taken this thread to meander around the list. Regards, John Kasunich -- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It is the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400
John,This is what concerns me about shutting SMI down:"Disabling SMI can cause some computers to overheat and may damage those computers. Intel developer documentation states that running their modern processors with SMI disabled is running their processors outside of thermal spec, just like running the CPU with inadequate cooling is. Turn off SMI at your own risk." As shown on http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?FixingSMIIssuesI was unsure if this would cause problems when the lathe is in a machine shop that can get hot on summer days. So I am trying to find a better option.Thanks,Will Baden> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:50:27 -0500> From: jmkasun...@fastmail.fm> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400> > William Baden wrote:>> Thanks for the input Kent! So we do not know if it will/won't have the SMI issue.I might just move on from 2400s > > Don't get fixated on the SMI issue. Unlike many latency killers, it has > a straightforward fix - you just load the rtai_smi module and get on > with things.> > If you have the computer already, it seems silly not to test it. You > could have had the answers in the time it has taken this thread to > meander around the list.> > Regards,> > John Kasunich> > --> Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.> It is the best place to buy or sell services for> just about anything Open Source.> http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB> ___> Emc-users mailing list> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 -- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It is the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400
Brian,I am currently playing around with EMC on an old 300Mhz computer to figure out how to use it. It is (was) being used to control a homemade mini mill that has steppers on it. The lathe retrofit is for a machine shop that I work for. So I would like to find the most reliable computer for the buck.Thanks,Will Baden> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:46:14 -0500> From: glackin.br...@gmail.com> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400> > If you already have the box, then just load up a copy of EMC2 and get it> running. Don't fret too much about the "perfect" machine to run it on at> this point. This will give you the opporutunity to get the "feel" of the> software first hand. The beaty of EMC2 is that you can easily swap out the> computer anytime. No going to the software producer and saying I need> to migrate the license.> > If its still early in your build, then you can at least get some> experience playing with EMC using the simulator.> --> Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.> It is the best place to buy or sell services for> just about anything Open Source.> http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB> ___> Emc-users mailing list> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_012009 -- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It is the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400
On Friday 09 January 2009, William Baden wrote: >Brian,I am currently playing around with EMC on an old 300Mhz computer to > figure out how to use it. It is (was) being used to control a homemade > mini mill that has steppers on it. The lathe retrofit is for a machine > shop that I work for. So I would like to find the most reliable computer > for the buck.Thanks,Will Baden> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:46:14 -0500> From: > glackin.br...@gmail.com> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: > [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400> > If you already have the box, then just > load up a copy of EMC2 and get it> running. Don't fret too much about the > "perfect" machine to run it on at> this point. This will give you the > opporutunity to get the "feel" of the> software first hand. The beaty of > EMC2 is that you can easily swap out the> computer anytime. No going to > the software producer and saying I need> to migrate the license.> > > If its still early in your build, then you can at least get some> > experience playing with EMC using the simulator.> > --- >---> Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.> It is the best place to > buy or sell services for> just about anything Open Source.> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB> > ___> Emc-users mailing list> > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > _ >Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. >http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_0120 >09 > --- >--- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. >It is the best place to buy or sell services for >just about anything Open Source. >http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB >___ >Emc-users mailing list >Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users William; is there anything you can do to make the email agent program (it doesn't identify itself in the headers that I get here) you are using be a bit more friendly to text type email agents? The above is very difficult to read and follow the threading of, when all the paragraph and line ending formatting has been stripped, and no quoting mechanism is used. Thanks. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Too much is just enough. -- Mark Twain, on whiskey -- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It is the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400
Sorry, I will try to figure out what I am doing wrong. Thanks, Will Baden> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:45:48 -0500> From: gene.hesk...@gmail.com> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400> > On Friday 09 January 2009, William Baden wrote:> >Brian,I am currently playing around with EMC on an old 300Mhz computer to> > figure out how to use it. It is (was) being used to control a homemade> > mini mill that has steppers on it. The lathe retrofit is for a machine> > shop that I work for. So I would like to find the most reliable computer> > for the buck.Thanks,Will Baden> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:46:14 -0500> From:> > glackin.br...@gmail.com> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re:> > [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400> > If you already have the box, then just> > load up a copy of EMC2 and get it> running. Don't fret too much about the> > "perfect" machine to run it on at> this point. This will give you the> > opporutunity to get the "feel" of the> software first hand. The beaty of> > EMC2 is that you can easily swap out the> computer anytime. No going to> > the software producer and saying I need> to migrate the license.> >> > If its still early in your build, then you can at least get some>> > experience playing with EMC using the simulator.>> > ---> >---> Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.> It is the best place to> > buy or sell services for> just about anything Open Source.>> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB>> > ___> Emc-users mailing list>> > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users> > _> >Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync.> >http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_0120> >09> > ---> >--- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.> >It is the best place to buy or sell services for> >just about anything Open Source.> >http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB> >___> >Emc-users mailing list> >Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users> > William; is there anything you can do to make the email agent program (it > doesn't identify itself in the headers that I get here) you are using be a > bit more friendly to text type email agents? The above is very difficult to > read and follow the threading of, when all the paragraph and line ending > formatting has been stripped, and no quoting mechanism is used.> > Thanks.> > -- > Cheers, Gene> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)> Too much is just enough.> -- Mark Twain, on whiskey> > > --> Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.> It is the best place to buy or sell services for> just about anything Open Source.> http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB> ___> Emc-users mailing list> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009 -- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It is the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400
At 01:45 PM 1/9/2009, you wrote: >William; is there anything you can do to make the email agent program (it >doesn't identify itself in the headers that I get here) you are using be a >bit more friendly to text type email agents? The above is very difficult to >read and follow the threading of, when all the paragraph and line ending >formatting has been stripped, and no quoting mechanism is used. > >Thanks. > >-- >Cheers, Gene >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >-Ed Howdershelt (Author) >Too much is just enough. > -- Mark Twain, on whiskey Gene, He's probably using the Hotmail web portal as his client. Yahoo does the same thing, and it really messes up the formatting. Mark -- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It is the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400
Mark, Yes, I am using the hotmail portal, sorry if this causes too much trouble. I have looked into setting up Evolution with hotmail, but there is some issue about having to pay for this service through hotmail. May end up switching to Gmail. It looks like it is a free service. Thanks, Will Baden > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:39:49 -0500 > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > From: mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400 > > At 01:45 PM 1/9/2009, you wrote: > >William; is there anything you can do to make the email agent program (it > >doesn't identify itself in the headers that I get here) you are using be a > >bit more friendly to text type email agents? The above is very difficult to > >read and follow the threading of, when all the paragraph and line ending > >formatting has been stripped, and no quoting mechanism is used. > > > >Thanks. > > > >-- > >Cheers, Gene > >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > >-Ed Howdershelt (Author) > >Too much is just enough. > > -- Mark Twain, on whiskey > > Gene, > > He's probably using the Hotmail web portal as his > client. Yahoo does the same thing, and it really messes up the formatting. > > Mark > > > > -- > Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. > It is the best place to buy or sell services for > just about anything Open Source. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 -- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It is the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400
On Saturday 10 January 2009, Mark Wendt (Contractor) wrote: >At 01:45 PM 1/9/2009, you wrote: >>William; is there anything you can do to make the email agent program (it >>doesn't identify itself in the headers that I get here) you are using be a >>bit more friendly to text type email agents? The above is very difficult >> to read and follow the threading of, when all the paragraph and line >> ending formatting has been stripped, and no quoting mechanism is used. >> >>Thanks. >> >>-- >>Cheers, Gene >>"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: >> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >>-Ed Howdershelt (Author) >>Too much is just enough. >> -- Mark Twain, on whiskey > >Gene, > > He's probably using the Hotmail web portal as his >client. Yahoo does the same thing, and it really messes up the formatting. > >Mark > Gak! Whatever it is, its ugly to try and read. :) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Snow Day -- stay home. -- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It is the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400
:) Will Baden > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:49:31 -0500 > From: gene.hesk...@gmail.com > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400 > > On Saturday 10 January 2009, Mark Wendt (Contractor) wrote: > >At 01:45 PM 1/9/2009, you wrote: > >>William; is there anything you can do to make the email agent program (it > >>doesn't identify itself in the headers that I get here) you are using be a > >>bit more friendly to text type email agents? The above is very difficult > >> to read and follow the threading of, when all the paragraph and line > >> ending formatting has been stripped, and no quoting mechanism is used. > >> > >>Thanks. > >> > >>-- > >>Cheers, Gene > >>"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > >> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > >>-Ed Howdershelt (Author) > >>Too much is just enough. > >> -- Mark Twain, on whiskey > > > >Gene, > > > > He's probably using the Hotmail web portal as his > >client. Yahoo does the same thing, and it really messes up the formatting. > > > >Mark > > > Gak! Whatever it is, its ugly to try and read. :) > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Snow Day -- stay home. > > -- > Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. > It is the best place to buy or sell services for > just about anything Open Source. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 -- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It is the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400
On Saturday 10 January 2009, William Baden wrote: >Mark, > >Yes, I am using the hotmail portal, sorry if this causes too much trouble. > >I have looked into setting up Evolution with hotmail, but there is some > issue about having to pay for this service through hotmail. > >May end up switching to Gmail. It looks like it is a free service. It is William, and while its web interface I don't care for, it works. But I don't use the web stuff at all. I use kmail on linux here, and I feed kmail with fetchmail running in the pop mode, then hands it off to procmail which pipes it through spamassassin which kills some of the more obnoxious spam, then puts it in /var/mail/$user, and my kmail running as root, grabs it from there. All the lists actually exist here on this box, until they get expired due to old age. Some I don't expire, so the whole email corpus here is about 10GB. > >Thanks, >Will Baden > >> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:39:49 -0500 >> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> From: mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil >> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Dell Dimension 2400 >> >> At 01:45 PM 1/9/2009, you wrote: >> >William; is there anything you can do to make the email agent program (it >> >doesn't identify itself in the headers that I get here) you are using be >> > a bit more friendly to text type email agents? The above is very >> > difficult to read and follow the threading of, when all the paragraph >> > and line ending formatting has been stripped, and no quoting mechanism >> > is used. >> > >> >Thanks. >> > >> >-- >> >Cheers, Gene >> >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: >> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >> >-Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> >Too much is just enough. >> > -- Mark Twain, on whiskey >> >> Gene, >> >> He's probably using the Hotmail web portal as his >> client. Yahoo does the same thing, and it really messes up the >> formatting. >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. >> It is the best place to buy or sell services for >> just about anything Open Source. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB >> ___ >> Emc-users mailing list >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >_ >Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. >http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howi >tworks_012009 > --- >--- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. >It is the best place to buy or sell services for >just about anything Open Source. >http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB >___ >Emc-users mailing list >Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) You seek to shield those you love and you like the role of the provider. -- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It is the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
