Re: [Emc-users] I Think I need a new Graphics Cards. Which one?

2010-09-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:24:59 am Don Stanley did opine:

> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Kent A. Reed  wrote:
> >  And then Don Stanley wrote:
> > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Kent A. Reed  
wrote:
> > >> >And then Don Stanley wrote:
> > >>> >  >  Hi All;
> > >>> >  >  I will have to plead the Shultz Defense.
> > >>> >  >  
> > >>> >  >  The Mill processors I am converting to EMC2 are
> > >>> >  >  
> > >>> >  > Athlon 64 processor 3700+ or better with the following
> > >>> >  >  
> > >>> >  >  slots:
> > >>> >  >PCI
> > >>> >  >PCI-EX1
> > >>> >  >PCI-EX16
> > >>> >  >MGP (Mach speed graphics port).
> > >>> >  >  
> > >>> >  >  I am currently using left over dual monitor video cards
> > >>> >  >  which worked fine for the old CNC package. Apparently
> > >>> >  >  EMC2 wants better.
> > >>> >  >  
> > >>> >  >  Any suggestions for a Graphics Card that will make EMC2
> > >>> >  >  and these systems happy to do the job, and get my latency
> > >>> >  >  test out of the ruts.
> > >>> >  >  
> > >>> >  >  Moving the Latency Display during the test looks like this.
> > >>> >  >  
> > >>> >  >Max Intrvl(ns) Max
> > >>> >  >Jitr(ns) Lst
> > >> >  
> > >> >  Intrvl(ns)
> > >> >  
> > >>> >  >  Servo Thread (1.0ms)1692524   214782996XXX
> > >>> >  >  Base Thread (25us)82717 47208 
> > >>> >  >  24XXX
> > >>> >  >  
> > >>> >  >Thanks again for your many helps
> > >>> >  >
> > >>> >  >Don
> > >> >  
> > >> >  Don:
> > >> >  
> > >> >  Jon Elson's advice is good, as always, and may well fix your
> > >> >  problem without further ado, but with more details about your
> > >> >  system we might come up with more specific ideas.
> > >> >  
> > >> >  For m/b and video cards, what are the makes and models? Amounts
> > >> >  of
> > 
> > memory?
> > 
> > >> >  Keep in mind that it is not EMC2 per se but the underlying
> > >> >  Ubuntu distribution provides your video drivers. The
> > >> >  motherboard has its own part to play because of the intimacy
> > >> >  between its BIOS and the rest of the system hardware. RTAI has
> > >> >  to be happy with all this so that EMC2
> > 
> > can
> > 
> > >> >  control your mill properly.
> > >> >  
> > >> >  For this old fogey, the phrase "Shultz defense" brings to mind
> > 
> > "Hogan's
> > 
> > >> >  Heroes" and Sergeant Schultz. Is this what you meant?
> > >> >  
> > >> >  Regards,
> > >> >  Kent
> > > 
> > > Hi Jon, Kent and Jake;
> > > I haven't tried Jon's suggestion yet; Sunday etc.
> > > 
> > > The processor is a single core and the RAM is 1GB.
> > > The Motherboard is a "mach speed MK8-939A".
> > > The Video card is an Applied Graphics Products
> > > 
> > >  Jeronimo  J2/N.  Copyright 1995 Etna Corp.
> > > 
> > > I have forgotten how to find the Video memory size in
> > > Windows and never knew for Linux/Unix.
> > > The BIOS on these systems doesn't display anything
> > > until after the long RAM test. Don't know if these
> > > Video cards even try to display on board memory.
> > > 
> > > I am using ubuntu 8.04 and EMC2 2.3.4.1.
> > > I tested ubuntu 10.04 LiveCD on these systems. The load
> > > went fine but when it was time for the video all I got was
> > > a blank screen, although ubuntu 8.04 works fine.
> > > The 10.04 works fine on other older systems. Weird huh?
> > > 
> > > Yes.  I didn't know how to spell Schultz and the
> > > 
> > >  spell checker was confused with the missing "c".
> > >  
> > >  Thanks for any and all suggestions.
> > >  
> > >  Don
> > 
> > Now we're cooking, Don.
> > 
> > I did a little web searching with your info.
> > 
> > 1. I found a thumbnail description of the "mach speed MK8-939A"
> > motherboard at http://www.machspeed.com/specs/viper/MK8-939A.html
> > Unfortunately, this description doesn't identify the bios, but it's
> > better than nothing. Off hand, I'd say this m/b will work ok with the
> > latest EMC2 distribution based on Ubuntu 10.04 but you may need to
> > explore the BIOS settings.
> 
> Sorry; I intended to include the BIOS is;
> "Phoenix-Award workstation BIOS v6.00PG"
>  copyright 1984-2003.
>  Part of my brain goes dead after 3:00 AM.
> 
> 2. the "Applied Graphics Products Jeronimo J2/N" video card is probably
> 
> > an "Appian..." for which I found a thumbnail description at
> > 
> > http://stason.org/TULARC/pc/graphics-cards/A-B/APPIAN-TECHNOLOGY-CGA-V
> > GA-TARGA-XVGA-JERONIMO-J2-N-29.html
> > 
> > According to this description, the board is based on a Cirrus Logic GD
> > 5462 graphics chip. You should be able to confirm this by executing
> > "lspci" at a command line prompt and looking for a line in the output
> > that starts "nn:nn.n VGA compatible controller" It's an old but
> > still serviceable chip. [editorial note - before I could send this
> > message I saw Gene Heskett's response.

Re: [Emc-users] I Think I need a new Graphics Cards. Which one?

2010-09-20 Thread Don Stanley
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Kent A. Reed  wrote:

>  And then Don Stanley wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Kent A. Reed  wrote:
> >
> >> >And then Don Stanley wrote:
> >>> >  >  Hi All;
> >>> >  >  I will have to plead the Shultz Defense.
> >>> >  >
> >>> >  >  The Mill processors I am converting to EMC2 are
> >>> >  > Athlon 64 processor 3700+ or better with the following
> >>> >  >  slots:
> >>> >  >PCI
> >>> >  >PCI-EX1
> >>> >  >PCI-EX16
> >>> >  >MGP (Mach speed graphics port).
> >>> >  >  I am currently using left over dual monitor video cards
> >>> >  >  which worked fine for the old CNC package. Apparently
> >>> >  >  EMC2 wants better.
> >>> >  >
> >>> >  >  Any suggestions for a Graphics Card that will make EMC2
> >>> >  >  and these systems happy to do the job, and get my latency
> >>> >  >  test out of the ruts.
> >>> >  >
> >>> >  >  Moving the Latency Display during the test looks like this.
> >>> >  >Max Intrvl(ns) Max Jitr(ns) Lst
> >> >  Intrvl(ns)
> >>> >  >  Servo Thread (1.0ms)1692524   214782996XXX
> >>> >  >  Base Thread (25us)82717 47208  24XXX
> >>> >  >
> >>> >  >Thanks again for your many helps
> >>> >  >Don
> >>> >  >
> >> >  Don:
> >> >
> >> >  Jon Elson's advice is good, as always, and may well fix your problem
> >> >  without further ado, but with more details about your system we might
> >> >  come up with more specific ideas.
> >> >
> >> >  For m/b and video cards, what are the makes and models? Amounts of
> memory?
> >> >
> >> >  Keep in mind that it is not EMC2 per se but the underlying Ubuntu
> >> >  distribution provides your video drivers. The motherboard has its own
> >> >  part to play because of the intimacy between its BIOS and the rest of
> >> >  the system hardware. RTAI has to be happy with all this so that EMC2
> can
> >> >  control your mill properly.
> >> >
> >> >  For this old fogey, the phrase "Shultz defense" brings to mind
> "Hogan's
> >> >  Heroes" and Sergeant Schultz. Is this what you meant?
> >> >
> >> >  Regards,
> >> >  Kent
> >> >
> > Hi Jon, Kent and Jake;
> > I haven't tried Jon's suggestion yet; Sunday etc.
> >
> > The processor is a single core and the RAM is 1GB.
> > The Motherboard is a "mach speed MK8-939A".
> > The Video card is an Applied Graphics Products
> >  Jeronimo  J2/N.  Copyright 1995 Etna Corp.
> > I have forgotten how to find the Video memory size in
> > Windows and never knew for Linux/Unix.
> > The BIOS on these systems doesn't display anything
> > until after the long RAM test. Don't know if these
> > Video cards even try to display on board memory.
> >
> > I am using ubuntu 8.04 and EMC2 2.3.4.1.
> > I tested ubuntu 10.04 LiveCD on these systems. The load
> > went fine but when it was time for the video all I got was
> > a blank screen, although ubuntu 8.04 works fine.
> > The 10.04 works fine on other older systems. Weird huh?
> >
> > Yes.  I didn't know how to spell Schultz and the
> >  spell checker was confused with the missing "c".
> >
> >  Thanks for any and all suggestions.
> >  Don
> >
> Now we're cooking, Don.
>
> I did a little web searching with your info.
>
> 1. I found a thumbnail description of the "mach speed MK8-939A"
> motherboard at http://www.machspeed.com/specs/viper/MK8-939A.html
> Unfortunately, this description doesn't identify the bios, but it's
> better than nothing. Off hand, I'd say this m/b will work ok with the
> latest EMC2 distribution based on Ubuntu 10.04 but you may need to
> explore the BIOS settings.
>
Sorry; I intended to include the BIOS is;
"Phoenix-Award workstation BIOS v6.00PG"
 copyright 1984-2003.
 Part of my brain goes dead after 3:00 AM.

2. the "Applied Graphics Products Jeronimo J2/N" video card is probably
> an "Appian..." for which I found a thumbnail description at
>
> http://stason.org/TULARC/pc/graphics-cards/A-B/APPIAN-TECHNOLOGY-CGA-VGA-TARGA-XVGA-JERONIMO-J2-N-29.html
>
> According to this description, the board is based on a Cirrus Logic GD
> 5462 graphics chip. You should be able to confirm this by executing
> "lspci" at a command line prompt and looking for a line in the output
> that starts "nn:nn.n VGA compatible controller" It's an old but
> still serviceable chip. [editorial note - before I could send this
> message I saw Gene Heskett's response. Maybe I should retract
> "serviceable".]
>
> You can look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf to see what driver is being loaded
> (in mine, for example, under section "Device" it says 'Driver "intel"').
> I would expect the svga driver would work for you.

My xorg.conf is as follows:
Section "Device"
Identifier"Configured Video Device"
Boardname"vesa"
Busid"PCI:0:10:0"
Driver"vesa"
Screen0


> If you look down the
> responses to the query in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47368
> you'll see som

Re: [Emc-users] I Think I need a new Graphics Cards. Which one?

2010-09-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday, September 20, 2010 09:58:05 am Kent A. Reed did opine:
[...]
> Now we're cooking, Don.
> 
> I did a little web searching with your info.
> 
> 1. I found a thumbnail description of the "mach speed MK8-939A"
> motherboard at http://www.machspeed.com/specs/viper/MK8-939A.html
> Unfortunately, this description doesn't identify the bios, but it's
> better than nothing. Off hand, I'd say this m/b will work ok with the
> latest EMC2 distribution based on Ubuntu 10.04 but you may need to
> explore the BIOS settings.
> 
> 2. the "Applied Graphics Products Jeronimo J2/N" video card is probably
> an "Appian..." for which I found a thumbnail description at
> http://stason.org/TULARC/pc/graphics-cards/A-B/APPIAN-TECHNOLOGY-CGA-VGA
> -TARGA-XVGA-JERONIMO-J2-N-29.html

That looks like the one I have.

> According to this description, the board is based on a Cirrus Logic GD
> 5462 graphics chip. You should be able to confirm this by executing
> "lspci" at a command line prompt and looking for a line in the output
> that starts "nn:nn.n VGA compatible controller" It's an old but
> still serviceable chip. [editorial note - before I could send this
> message I saw Gene Heskett's response. Maybe I should retract
> "serviceable".]

TBT guys, I didn't attempt to get it up to full 1600x1200 resolution.  The 
vesa driver, running blind, picked a 'safe' 640x400'.  The rest of the box 
was pretty slow too, a 1Ghz Athlon & 384 megs of non interlaced ram.  I 
found an ATI card that wouldn't run in this box that ran much better than 
the Appian did in that box, but have not actually tried to move motors with 
it yet.  The box is so big I haven't figured out where I could hang it on my 
bandsaw, whereas that little intel D510 and a small monitor could hang on 
the back of the blade channel if I could get around it easily.  In my next 
incarnation, please give me more real estate for a bigger shop...
 
> You can look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf to see what driver is being loaded
> (in mine, for example, under section "Device" it says 'Driver "intel"').
> I would expect the svga driver would work for you. If you look down the
> responses to the query in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47368
> you'll see some useful advice about using the command "dpkg-reconfigure
> xserver-xorg" to reconfigure the X server or alternatively forcing the
> kernel to load the cirrusfb driver at startup.
> 
> Don't sweat the spelling of Schultz. Many years ago I was a military
> brat living in Germany. Now, I can't write S and H without putting a C
> in between them. The hard part was figuring out the reference to
> "Hogan's Heros." As Jon says, "I know nothing!  NOTHING"
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Regards,
> Kent

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Before his life is done,
To write three lines of APL,
And make the damn things run.

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Re: [Emc-users] I Think I need a new Graphics Cards. Which one?

2010-09-20 Thread Kent A. Reed
  And then Don Stanley wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Kent A. Reed  wrote:
>
>> >And then Don Stanley wrote:
>>> >  >  Hi All;
>>> >  >  I will have to plead the Shultz Defense.
>>> >  >
>>> >  >  The Mill processors I am converting to EMC2 are
>>> >  > Athlon 64 processor 3700+ or better with the following
>>> >  >  slots:
>>> >  >PCI
>>> >  >PCI-EX1
>>> >  >PCI-EX16
>>> >  >MGP (Mach speed graphics port).
>>> >  >  I am currently using left over dual monitor video cards
>>> >  >  which worked fine for the old CNC package. Apparently
>>> >  >  EMC2 wants better.
>>> >  >
>>> >  >  Any suggestions for a Graphics Card that will make EMC2
>>> >  >  and these systems happy to do the job, and get my latency
>>> >  >  test out of the ruts.
>>> >  >
>>> >  >  Moving the Latency Display during the test looks like this.
>>> >  >Max Intrvl(ns) Max Jitr(ns) Lst
>> >  Intrvl(ns)
>>> >  >  Servo Thread (1.0ms)1692524   214782996XXX
>>> >  >  Base Thread (25us)82717 47208  24XXX
>>> >  >
>>> >  >Thanks again for your many helps
>>> >  >Don
>>> >  >
>> >  Don:
>> >
>> >  Jon Elson's advice is good, as always, and may well fix your problem
>> >  without further ado, but with more details about your system we might
>> >  come up with more specific ideas.
>> >
>> >  For m/b and video cards, what are the makes and models? Amounts of memory?
>> >
>> >  Keep in mind that it is not EMC2 per se but the underlying Ubuntu
>> >  distribution provides your video drivers. The motherboard has its own
>> >  part to play because of the intimacy between its BIOS and the rest of
>> >  the system hardware. RTAI has to be happy with all this so that EMC2 can
>> >  control your mill properly.
>> >
>> >  For this old fogey, the phrase "Shultz defense" brings to mind "Hogan's
>> >  Heroes" and Sergeant Schultz. Is this what you meant?
>> >
>> >  Regards,
>> >  Kent
>> >
> Hi Jon, Kent and Jake;
> I haven't tried Jon's suggestion yet; Sunday etc.
>
> The processor is a single core and the RAM is 1GB.
> The Motherboard is a "mach speed MK8-939A".
> The Video card is an Applied Graphics Products
>  Jeronimo  J2/N.  Copyright 1995 Etna Corp.
> I have forgotten how to find the Video memory size in
> Windows and never knew for Linux/Unix.
> The BIOS on these systems doesn't display anything
> until after the long RAM test. Don't know if these
> Video cards even try to display on board memory.
>
> I am using ubuntu 8.04 and EMC2 2.3.4.1.
> I tested ubuntu 10.04 LiveCD on these systems. The load
> went fine but when it was time for the video all I got was
> a blank screen, although ubuntu 8.04 works fine.
> The 10.04 works fine on other older systems. Weird huh?
>
> Yes.  I didn't know how to spell Schultz and the
>  spell checker was confused with the missing "c".
>
>  Thanks for any and all suggestions.
>  Don
>
Now we're cooking, Don.

I did a little web searching with your info.

1. I found a thumbnail description of the "mach speed MK8-939A" 
motherboard at http://www.machspeed.com/specs/viper/MK8-939A.html
Unfortunately, this description doesn't identify the bios, but it's 
better than nothing. Off hand, I'd say this m/b will work ok with the 
latest EMC2 distribution based on Ubuntu 10.04 but you may need to 
explore the BIOS settings.

2. the "Applied Graphics Products Jeronimo J2/N" video card is probably 
an "Appian..." for which I found a thumbnail description at 
http://stason.org/TULARC/pc/graphics-cards/A-B/APPIAN-TECHNOLOGY-CGA-VGA-TARGA-XVGA-JERONIMO-J2-N-29.html

According to this description, the board is based on a Cirrus Logic GD 
5462 graphics chip. You should be able to confirm this by executing 
"lspci" at a command line prompt and looking for a line in the output 
that starts "nn:nn.n VGA compatible controller" It's an old but 
still serviceable chip. [editorial note - before I could send this 
message I saw Gene Heskett's response. Maybe I should retract 
"serviceable".]

You can look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf to see what driver is being loaded 
(in mine, for example, under section "Device" it says 'Driver "intel"'). 
I would expect the svga driver would work for you. If you look down the 
responses to the query in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47368 
you'll see some useful advice about using the command "dpkg-reconfigure 
xserver-xorg" to reconfigure the X server or alternatively forcing the 
kernel to load the cirrusfb driver at startup.

Don't sweat the spelling of Schultz. Many years ago I was a military 
brat living in Germany. Now, I can't write S and H without putting a C 
in between them. The hard part was figuring out the reference to 
"Hogan's Heros." As Jon says, "I know nothing!  NOTHING"

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Kent


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Re: [Emc-users] I Think I need a new Graphics Cards. Which one?

2010-09-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday, September 20, 2010 05:49:37 am Don Stanley did opine:

> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Kent A. Reed  wrote:
> >  And then Don Stanley wrote:
> > > Hi All;
> > > I will have to plead the Shultz Defense.
> > > 
> > > The Mill processors I am converting to EMC2 are
> > > 
> > >   Athlon 64 processor 3700+ or better with the following
> > > 
> > > slots:
> > >  PCI
> > >  PCI-EX1
> > >  PCI-EX16
> > >  MGP (Mach speed graphics port).
> > > 
> > > I am currently using left over dual monitor video cards
> > > which worked fine for the old CNC package. Apparently
> > > EMC2 wants better.
> > > 
> > > Any suggestions for a Graphics Card that will make EMC2
> > > and these systems happy to do the job, and get my latency
> > > test out of the ruts.
> > > 
> > > Moving the Latency Display during the test looks like this.
> > > 
> > >  Max Intrvl(ns) Max Jitr(ns) Lst
> > 
> > Intrvl(ns)
> > 
> > > Servo Thread (1.0ms)1692524   214782996XXX
> > > Base Thread (25us)82717 47208  24XXX
> > > 
> > >  Thanks again for your many helps
> > >  
> > >  Don
> > 
> > Don:
> > 
> > Jon Elson's advice is good, as always, and may well fix your problem
> > without further ado, but with more details about your system we might
> > come up with more specific ideas.
> > 
> > For m/b and video cards, what are the makes and models? Amounts of
> > memory?
> > 
> > Keep in mind that it is not EMC2 per se but the underlying Ubuntu
> > distribution provides your video drivers. The motherboard has its own
> > part to play because of the intimacy between its BIOS and the rest of
> > the system hardware. RTAI has to be happy with all this so that EMC2
> > can control your mill properly.
> > 
> > For this old fogey, the phrase "Shultz defense" brings to mind
> > "Hogan's Heroes" and Sergeant Schultz. Is this what you meant?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Kent
> 
> Hi Jon, Kent and Jake;
> I haven't tried Jon's suggestion yet; Sunday etc.
> 
> The processor is a single core and the RAM is 1GB.
> The Motherboard is a "mach speed MK8-939A".

I too use one of their boards but had to disable the onboard video.

> The Video card is an Applied Graphics Products
> Jeronimo  J2/N.  Copyright 1995 Etna Corp.

I have a jeronimo, appian way 2 port board, even the vesa performance is 
poorly under linux.

> I have forgotten how to find the Video memory size in
> Windows and never knew for Linux/Unix.
> The BIOS on these systems doesn't display anything
> until after the long RAM test. Don't know if these
> Video cards even try to display on board memory.
> 
> I am using ubuntu 8.04 and EMC2 2.3.4.1.
> I tested ubuntu 10.04 LiveCD on these systems. The load
> went fine but when it was time for the video all I got was
> a blank screen, although ubuntu 8.04 works fine.
> The 10.04 works fine on other older systems. Weird huh?
> 
> Yes.  I didn't know how to spell Schultz and the
> spell checker was confused with the missing "c".
> 
> Thanks for any and all suggestions.
> Don
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] I Think I need a new Graphics Cards. Which one?

2010-09-20 Thread Don Stanley
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Kent A. Reed  wrote:

>  And then Don Stanley wrote:
> > Hi All;
> > I will have to plead the Shultz Defense.
> >
> > The Mill processors I am converting to EMC2 are
> >   Athlon 64 processor 3700+ or better with the following
> > slots:
> >  PCI
> >  PCI-EX1
> >  PCI-EX16
> >  MGP (Mach speed graphics port).
> > I am currently using left over dual monitor video cards
> > which worked fine for the old CNC package. Apparently
> > EMC2 wants better.
> >
> > Any suggestions for a Graphics Card that will make EMC2
> > and these systems happy to do the job, and get my latency
> > test out of the ruts.
> >
> > Moving the Latency Display during the test looks like this.
> >  Max Intrvl(ns) Max Jitr(ns) Lst
> Intrvl(ns)
> > Servo Thread (1.0ms)1692524   214782996XXX
> > Base Thread (25us)82717 47208  24XXX
> >
> >  Thanks again for your many helps
> >  Don
> >
> Don:
>
> Jon Elson's advice is good, as always, and may well fix your problem
> without further ado, but with more details about your system we might
> come up with more specific ideas.
>
> For m/b and video cards, what are the makes and models? Amounts of memory?
>
> Keep in mind that it is not EMC2 per se but the underlying Ubuntu
> distribution provides your video drivers. The motherboard has its own
> part to play because of the intimacy between its BIOS and the rest of
> the system hardware. RTAI has to be happy with all this so that EMC2 can
> control your mill properly.
>
> For this old fogey, the phrase "Shultz defense" brings to mind "Hogan's
> Heroes" and Sergeant Schultz. Is this what you meant?
>
> Regards,
> Kent
>

Hi Jon, Kent and Jake;
I haven't tried Jon's suggestion yet; Sunday etc.

The processor is a single core and the RAM is 1GB.
The Motherboard is a "mach speed MK8-939A".
The Video card is an Applied Graphics Products
Jeronimo  J2/N.  Copyright 1995 Etna Corp.
I have forgotten how to find the Video memory size in
Windows and never knew for Linux/Unix.
The BIOS on these systems doesn't display anything
until after the long RAM test. Don't know if these
Video cards even try to display on board memory.

I am using ubuntu 8.04 and EMC2 2.3.4.1.
I tested ubuntu 10.04 LiveCD on these systems. The load
went fine but when it was time for the video all I got was
a blank screen, although ubuntu 8.04 works fine.
The 10.04 works fine on other older systems. Weird huh?

Yes.  I didn't know how to spell Schultz and the
spell checker was confused with the missing "c".

Thanks for any and all suggestions.
Don


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Re: [Emc-users] I Think I need a new Graphics Cards. Which one?

2010-09-19 Thread Jake Anderson
On 18/09/10 07:49, Don Stanley wrote:
> Hi All;
> I will have to plead the Shultz Defense.
>
> The Mill processors I am converting to EMC2 are
>   Athlon 64 processor 3700+ or better with the following
> slots:
>  PCI
>  PCI-EX1
>  PCI-EX16
>  MGP (Mach speed graphics port).
> I am currently using left over dual monitor video cards
> which worked fine for the old CNC package. Apparently
> EMC2 wants better.
>
> Any suggestions for a Graphics Card that will make EMC2
> and these systems happy to do the job, and get my latency
> test out of the ruts.
>
> Moving the Latency Display during the test looks like this.
>  Max Intrvl(ns) Max Jitr(ns) Lst Intrvl(ns)
> Servo Thread (1.0ms)1692524   214782996XXX
> Base Thread (25us)82717 47208  24XXX
>
>  Thanks again for your many helps
>  Don
>
If they are dual core machines I'd test out the 10.04 release on them 
with a nvidia card and the binary driver.
not guatanteed to work, but I've had decent success with it on Intel 
XEON machines.
The only hitch I noticed was a single latency spike when starting an 
OpenGL window, IE starting EMC causes one latency spike, or starting 
glxgears, once its running however its fine.


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Re: [Emc-users] I Think I need a new Graphics Cards. Which one?

2010-09-19 Thread Jon Elson
Kent A. Reed wrote:
>
> For this old fogey, the phrase "Shultz defense" brings to mind "Hogan's 
> Heroes" and Sergeant Schultz. Is this what you meant
I was puzzled by that reference, but that's GOT to be it!  That high-pitched
"I know nothing!  NOTHING"

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] I Think I need a new Graphics Cards. Which one?

2010-09-19 Thread Kent A. Reed
  And then Don Stanley wrote:
> Hi All;
> I will have to plead the Shultz Defense.
>
> The Mill processors I am converting to EMC2 are
>   Athlon 64 processor 3700+ or better with the following
> slots:
>  PCI
>  PCI-EX1
>  PCI-EX16
>  MGP (Mach speed graphics port).
> I am currently using left over dual monitor video cards
> which worked fine for the old CNC package. Apparently
> EMC2 wants better.
>
> Any suggestions for a Graphics Card that will make EMC2
> and these systems happy to do the job, and get my latency
> test out of the ruts.
>
> Moving the Latency Display during the test looks like this.
>  Max Intrvl(ns) Max Jitr(ns) Lst Intrvl(ns)
> Servo Thread (1.0ms)1692524   214782996XXX
> Base Thread (25us)82717 47208  24XXX
>
>  Thanks again for your many helps
>  Don
>
Don:

Jon Elson's advice is good, as always, and may well fix your problem 
without further ado, but with more details about your system we might 
come up with more specific ideas.

For m/b and video cards, what are the makes and models? Amounts of memory?

Keep in mind that it is not EMC2 per se but the underlying Ubuntu 
distribution provides your video drivers. The motherboard has its own 
part to play because of the intimacy between its BIOS and the rest of 
the system hardware. RTAI has to be happy with all this so that EMC2 can 
control your mill properly.

For this old fogey, the phrase "Shultz defense" brings to mind "Hogan's 
Heroes" and Sergeant Schultz. Is this what you meant?

Regards,
Kent


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Re: [Emc-users] I Think I need a new Graphics Cards. Which one?

2010-09-17 Thread Jon Elson
Don Stanley wrote:
> Hi All;
> I will have to plead the Shultz Defense.
>
> The Mill processors I am converting to EMC2 are
>  Athlon 64 processor 3700+ or better with the following
> slots:
> PCI
> PCI-EX1
> PCI-EX16
> MGP (Mach speed graphics port).
> I am currently using left over dual monitor video cards
> which worked fine for the old CNC package. Apparently
> EMC2 wants better.
>
> Any suggestions for a Graphics Card that will make EMC2
> and these systems happy to do the job, and get my latency
> test out of the ruts.
>
> Moving the Latency Display during the test looks like this.
> Max Intrvl(ns) Max Jitr(ns) Lst Intrvl(ns)
> Servo Thread (1.0ms)1692524   214782996XXX
> Base Thread (25us)82717 47208  24XXX
>
>   
You may be able to turn off some driver acceleration features of the video
driver to improve this.  The driver may be doing a lot of DMA to main
memory when using the acceleration features.  If that isn't an available
setting to adjust, then you may be able to switch to a generic VGA driver,
which assumes no hardware assist, for the same effect.

Jon

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[Emc-users] I Think I need a new Graphics Cards. Which one?

2010-09-17 Thread Don Stanley
Hi All;
I will have to plead the Shultz Defense.

The Mill processors I am converting to EMC2 are
 Athlon 64 processor 3700+ or better with the following
slots:
PCI
PCI-EX1
PCI-EX16
MGP (Mach speed graphics port).
I am currently using left over dual monitor video cards
which worked fine for the old CNC package. Apparently
EMC2 wants better.

Any suggestions for a Graphics Card that will make EMC2
and these systems happy to do the job, and get my latency
test out of the ruts.

Moving the Latency Display during the test looks like this.
Max Intrvl(ns) Max Jitr(ns) Lst Intrvl(ns)
Servo Thread (1.0ms)1692524   214782996XXX
Base Thread (25us)82717 47208  24XXX

Thanks again for your many helps
Don
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