Re: [Emc-users] OT: Bandsaw Blades

2014-06-05 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 06/02/2014 03:49 AM, John Thornton wrote:
 Let us know what you think about it... might save me from trying it.

I got the Starrett blade. While putting it on the saw, I noticed the 
power cord was in really bad shape, so I pulled the saw out to get to 
the wiring inside and found four unused blades in the coolant tank. My 
dad had not used coolant, so I guess used the tank for storage. With a 
new power cord installed, I installed the new blade and made a couple of 
cuts on 1 x 3 6061 aluminum. Everything worked fine without any drama. 
I don't do a lot of cutting, so it will be a while before the blade will 
get any serious testing.

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Bandsaw Blades

2014-06-02 Thread John Thornton
Let us know what you think about it... might save me from trying it.

JT

On 6/1/2014 3:23 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 On 06/01/2014 11:39 AM, John Alexander Stewart wrote:
 Hate to say this, but I had 3 Starrett blades that would NOT stay on my
 cutoff bandsaw. Real frustrating having a bandsaw that took longer to keep
 putting blades back on than it did to cut material.
 Oops, I guess I'll find out if the blade is any good soon enough. I only
 ordered one in a medium pitch. I'm hoping it doesn't take too many
 blades to find one I like.



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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Bandsaw Blades

2014-06-01 Thread John Thornton
opps

http://www.bandsawbladesdirect.com

JT
On 5/31/2014 11:55 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 I haven't bought bandsaw blades for many years so I don't have a known
 good source. Does anyone have a favorite source for 93 x .032 x 3/4
 steel cutting blades?


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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Bandsaw Blades

2014-06-01 Thread John Thornton
I think this is the other place I wanted to try a Starrett blade or two

http://www.bandsawbladesking.com

JT

On 5/31/2014 11:55 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 I haven't bought bandsaw blades for many years so I don't have a known
 good source. Does anyone have a favorite source for 93 x .032 x 3/4
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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Bandsaw Blades

2014-06-01 Thread dave
On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 13:02 -0400, Pete Matos wrote:
 Lennox blades are hard to beat. I run them in my horizontal vertical 12
 inch saw and it cuts beautiful and lasts awhile unless I screw up and get
 it stuck in some tube or something.   I get them from my local welding
 supply house.  they cost about $20.00 each.  Variable pitch blades are nice
 too.  Good luck man..
 
 Pete
 
 
 
 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com
 wrote:
 
  I haven't bought bandsaw blades for many years so I don't have a known
  good source. Does anyone have a favorite source for 93 x .032 x 3/4
  steel cutting blades?
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I'll second that on the variable pitch (multi-pitch) blades. Run them in
correctly and they last a long time. My saw takes blades about 1/2
longer than standard so I have them custom made. 

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Bandsaw Blades

2014-06-01 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 05/31/2014 09:55 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 I haven't bought bandsaw blades for many years so I don't have a known
 good source. Does anyone have a favorite source for 93 x .032 x 3/4
 steel cutting blades?


Thanks for the replies Pete, Dave, and John. I'm going to give this 
blade a try:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150491695522

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Bandsaw Blades

2014-06-01 Thread John Alexander Stewart
Hate to say this, but I had 3 Starrett blades that would NOT stay on my
cutoff bandsaw. Real frustrating having a bandsaw that took longer to keep
putting blades back on than it did to cut material.

Changed blade for a top of the line blade from importer busybeetools.com,
and it's been perfect since.

The Starrett blades are now in a landfill somewhere, or wherever old bits
of metal go to get recycled.

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Bandsaw Blades

2014-06-01 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 06/01/2014 11:39 AM, John Alexander Stewart wrote:
 Hate to say this, but I had 3 Starrett blades that would NOT stay on my
 cutoff bandsaw. Real frustrating having a bandsaw that took longer to keep
 putting blades back on than it did to cut material.

Oops, I guess I'll find out if the blade is any good soon enough. I only 
ordered one in a medium pitch. I'm hoping it doesn't take too many 
blades to find one I like.

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Bandsaw Blades

2014-06-01 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 6/1/2014 12:39 PM, John Alexander Stewart wrote:
 Hate to say this, but I had 3 Starrett blades that would NOT stay on my
 cutoff bandsaw. Real frustrating having a bandsaw that took longer to keep
 putting blades back on than it did to cut material.

 Changed blade for a top of the line blade from importer busybeetools.com,
 and it's been perfect since.

 The Starrett blades are now in a landfill somewhere, or wherever old bits
 of metal go to get recycled.

On the saw I had prior to the one I have now, the problem was worn 
bearings and bushings. I replaced the ball bearings on the shaft for the 
drive wheel and bored out the driven wheel to press in a bronze bushing 
I'd bored to fit the non-rotating shaft.

First I did the bushing, originally it just had the iron bore. When that 
didn't stop the blades coming off I replaced the bearings on the drive 
wheel. It only had a very slight amount of wobble but that was enough 
once the blade was tensioned.

No more problems with blades popping off once the wheels were held 
parallel to each other.


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[Emc-users] OT: Bandsaw Blades

2014-05-31 Thread Kirk Wallace
I haven't bought bandsaw blades for many years so I don't have a known 
good source. Does anyone have a favorite source for 93 x .032 x 3/4 
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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Bandsaw Blades

2014-05-31 Thread Pete Matos
Lennox blades are hard to beat. I run them in my horizontal vertical 12
inch saw and it cuts beautiful and lasts awhile unless I screw up and get
it stuck in some tube or something.   I get them from my local welding
supply house.  they cost about $20.00 each.  Variable pitch blades are nice
too.  Good luck man..

Pete



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 I haven't bought bandsaw blades for many years so I don't have a known
 good source. Does anyone have a favorite source for 93 x .032 x 3/4
 steel cutting blades?
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[Emc-users] OT-bandsaw

2012-02-16 Thread dave

Hi all, 

I have a cheapie horizontal bandsaw that has performed decently well
for 10 years or so and just recently started sheddinga the blade after a
few turns. 

As far as I can tell the blade works its way off the non-driven wheel. 
I suspect the guides (ball bearings) are at fault but will entertain
other reasonable ideas. 

What am I missing?

Thanks in advance. 

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Re: [Emc-users] OT-bandsaw

2012-02-16 Thread Jan de Kruyf
the ballbearings!

at least one of the wheels does not run perfectly parallel to the other
wheel anymore.
(my logical reasoning wife will now tell me I cocked up that sentence, bt
never mind)

j.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:22 PM, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote:


 Hi all,

 I have a cheapie horizontal bandsaw that has performed decently well
 for 10 years or so and just recently started sheddinga the blade after a
 few turns.

 As far as I can tell the blade works its way off the non-driven wheel.
 I suspect the guides (ball bearings) are at fault but will entertain
 other reasonable ideas.

 What am I missing?

 Thanks in advance.

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Re: [Emc-users] OT-bandsaw

2012-02-16 Thread andy pugh
On 16 February 2012 19:22, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote:

 I have a cheapie horizontal bandsaw that has performed decently well
 for 10 years or so and just recently started sheddinga the blade after a
 few turns.

I wonder if the blade might have overheated and is now conical?

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Re: [Emc-users] OT-bandsaw

2012-02-16 Thread Dave
Dave,

I don't know what kind of bandsaw you have, but I have several bandsaws 
and all of them have a means of tilting one of the wheels (usually the 
non-driven idler wheel ).  If your wheel bearings are good, then it is 
likely that your one wheel needs to be tilted to track the blade.

The other thing that can throw off blades is either an improperly welded 
blade, or the tire (the rubber strip) on the drive wheel and or idler 
wheel is shot and needs to be replaced.   The wheels should appear to be 
crowned when looking at them.  The crown tends to self center the blade 
onto the wheel.

Finally if this is happening on a horizontal saw, the guides that twist 
the blade can throw the blade off also.  Check their alignment.  The saw 
should not throw off the blades with the guides removed (no twisting of 
the blade).

Dave

On 2/16/2012 2:22 PM, dave wrote:
 Hi all,

 I have a cheapie horizontal bandsaw that has performed decently well
 for 10 years or so and just recently started sheddinga the blade after a
 few turns.

 As far as I can tell the blade works its way off the non-driven wheel.
 I suspect the guides (ball bearings) are at fault but will entertain
 other reasonable ideas.

 What am I missing?

 Thanks in advance.

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Re: [Emc-users] OT-bandsaw

2012-02-16 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, February 16, 2012 03:22:53 PM dave did opine:

 Hi all,
 
 I have a cheapie horizontal bandsaw that has performed decently well
 for 10 years or so and just recently started shedding the blade after a
 few turns.
 
 As far as I can tell the blade works its way off the non-driven wheel.
 I suspect the guides (ball bearings) are at fault but will entertain
 other reasonable ideas.
 
 What am I missing?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Dave
 
Probably either the tire on the idler wheel is shot, the bearings in it are 
fini, or more likely, the idler wheels tilt in miss adjusted, whatever.  
That will be as critical to align as it is with any other bandsaw, wood or 
metal.

Since in those saws, the guide bearings also serve to twist the blade a 
few, maybe 30 degrees, I could see the bearing itself wearing out 
internally which would allow the bearing to tilt in a direction that would 
walk it off the idler too, so your idea is not an impossibility, however 
I'd tend to think a bearing worn and tilted to that degree would be pretty 
obvious.

Test:  back the guide bearings off so they aren't touching the blade.  If 
it stays on the wheels then, running in the center of the tire on both 
wheels, then the wheels are in usable alignment.  If it still runs off, try 
a fresh blade, that one could be distorted, and use that fresh blade to 
adjust the idler wheel tilt till it does run true.  Somewhere in this 
testing, it should become obvious whats wrong.  Feel those guide bearings 
to see if they still roll smooth before you bring them back to the blade, 
and can't be noticeably tilted on their own little axles, if they turn 
rough, or can be tilted a few degrees, new ones time.

A metal cutting bandsaw is about the roughest service I can imagine.  And 
that guide enforced twist in the blade has got to be hell on the blade over 
extended run times. Metal fatigue has got to be a factor in blade life. 
Proper tension is probably only half what it could be if the blade wasn't 
being twisted.

I cut alu and brass, using std fine toothed, several per inch anyway, wood 
blades in a 12 Craftsman tilting head saw, using koolblock guides, and 
have found it works well given enough patience since that tilthead frame 
has a lot of give  that motor is under powered, but in 6 thick alu it 
gets the job done and I've only broken one blade in probably 15 feet of 
such cutting as I nibble off pieces of that huge, was 40lbs at one time, 
block of alu.  Obviously a block of paraffin for jelly sealing is kept 
handy to lube the sides of the blade with.  A case of using what you brung 
to the party ;-)
 
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Re: [Emc-users] OT-bandsaw

2012-02-16 Thread John Prentice

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Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT-bandsaw


 On 16 February 2012 19:22, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote:

 I have a cheapie horizontal bandsaw that has performed decently well
 for 10 years or so and just recently started sheddinga the blade after a
 few turns.

 I wonder if the blade might have overheated and is now conical?

Mine has an adjustment on the idler pulley tensioning mount (two set-screws) 
to alter the alignment of that wheel's axis. I can move my blade across the 
face of the wheel adjusting these.

John Prentice 


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Re: [Emc-users] OT-bandsaw

2012-02-16 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, February 16, 2012 03:56:45 PM Jan de Kruyf did opine:

 the ballbearings!
 
 at least one of the wheels does not run perfectly parallel to the other
 wheel anymore.
 (my logical reasoning wife will now tell me I cocked up that sentence,
 bt never mind)
 
 j.
 
Of course Jan, particularly if your wife has a built in spell checker and 
is a retired school teacher.  I catch it all the time.  She thinks it is in 
her job description as a wife.  ;-)

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Re: [Emc-users] OT-bandsaw

2012-02-16 Thread Jan de Kruyf
nah! she did a semester of logical reasoning, much worse!

My peabrain finally woke up to the facts of bandsaws.

Last time I had this not only were the bearings gone but also the crown of
one of the wheels
was completely eaten away by shavings caught between the blade and the
crown.
We turned a ring with a new crown surface and shrunk it onto the old wheel.
As far as I know that thing is still going strong.

j.


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 On Thursday, February 16, 2012 03:56:45 PM Jan de Kruyf did opine:

  the ballbearings!
 
  at least one of the wheels does not run perfectly parallel to the other
  wheel anymore.
  (my logical reasoning wife will now tell me I cocked up that sentence,
  bt never mind)
 
  j.

 Of course Jan, particularly if your wife has a built in spell checker and
 is a retired school teacher.  I catch it all the time.  She thinks it is in
 her job description as a wife.  ;-)

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Re: [Emc-users] OT-bandsaw

2012-02-16 Thread dave
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:10:30 +0200
Jan de Kruyf jan.de.kr...@gmail.com wrote:

 nah! she did a semester of logical reasoning, much worse!
 
 My peabrain finally woke up to the facts of bandsaws.
 
 Last time I had this not only were the bearings gone but also the
 crown of one of the wheels
 was completely eaten away by shavings caught between the blade and the
 crown.
 We turned a ring with a new crown surface and shrunk it onto the old
 wheel. As far as I know that thing is still going strong.
 
 j.
 
 
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 wrote:
 
  On Thursday, February 16, 2012 03:56:45 PM Jan de Kruyf did opine:
 
   the ballbearings!
  
   at least one of the wheels does not run perfectly parallel to the
   other wheel anymore.
   (my logical reasoning wife will now tell me I cocked up that
   sentence, bt never mind)
  
   j.
 
  Of course Jan, particularly if your wife has a built in spell
  checker and is a retired school teacher.  I catch it all the time.
  She thinks it is in her job description as a wife.  ;-)
 
  Cheers, Gene

Lots of good thinking in the replies. Time to go shopping (off to the
shop) and test. 

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Re: [Emc-users] OT-bandsaw

2012-02-16 Thread dave
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:36:00 -0800
dave dengv...@charter.net wrote:

 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:10:30 +0200
 Jan de Kruyf jan.de.kr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  nah! she did a semester of logical reasoning, much worse!
  
  My peabrain finally woke up to the facts of bandsaws.
  
  Last time I had this not only were the bearings gone but also the
  crown of one of the wheels
  was completely eaten away by shavings caught between the blade and
  the crown.
  We turned a ring with a new crown surface and shrunk it onto the old
  wheel. As far as I know that thing is still going strong.
  
  j.
  
  
  On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:59 PM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com
  wrote:
  
   On Thursday, February 16, 2012 03:56:45 PM Jan de Kruyf did opine:
  
the ballbearings!
   
at least one of the wheels does not run perfectly parallel to
the other wheel anymore.
(my logical reasoning wife will now tell me I cocked up that
sentence, bt never mind)
   
j.
  
   Of course Jan, particularly if your wife has a built in spell
   checker and is a retired school teacher.  I catch it all the time.
   She thinks it is in her job description as a wife.  ;-)
  
   Cheers, Gene
 
 Lots of good thinking in the replies. Time to go shopping (off to the
 shop) and test. 
 
 Dave

Back from shop: saw without guides runs without shedding the blade.
Guides are 0.028 spacing for a 0.025 blade. I'll snug them up and check
for perp to bed and try again. Thanks for all the thoughts and
suggestions. 

Dave

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Re: [Emc-users] OT-bandsaw

2012-02-16 Thread BRIAN GLACKIN
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There is a 4X6 bandsaw group on Yahoo Groups that specializes in tweaking
maintaining and improving the cheap import bandsaws.  They have a very good
tuneup guide in the files which will walk you through all the maintenance
adjustments and upgrades to get your saw back in service.
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