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Some people like reality tv shows I like reading post on mach issues. (sorry I could not help my self) random quotes from the mach forum BR549 - he seems to be actively helping on the fourm but is using Linuxcnc now.. Nested subs have problems Toolcomp and subs have problems There is NO conditional code in mach3 Good macro control is borderline Some things are strange (Pause/stop)compared to the fanuc type controls. restarts can be tricky here when commenting on someone issue - he said - the dark side cured it. (meaning the issues when away when he switched to linuxcnc) http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,19554.msg135464.html#msg135464 and another http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,19045.0.html I love this qoute in regards to linuxcnc 'Ray just do it and never look back you will be a happy CNCer again. It is not the prettiest girl in town but by FAR it is the best cook.' There are quite a few post on the mach forums and cnczone where mach seems to not obey the machine acc/vel constraints.. Like.. http://cnczone.com/forums/mach_software_artsoft_software/120113-mach_3_cv_mode_stalling.html I have been using linuxcnc for quite a while now. I have not once had an issue that was not caused by my own stupidity. If my machine randomly ran the z axis into the table - I would be a hurting unit as the servos can develop over 8 tons of force. Yes it may be a bit harder to setup but I think it far outweighs the alternatives. I have 'pushed' it for my purposes and have found little bugs here and there. They are usually fixed that day. Seriously - Within a day. the few comment that seem to come up as to why not to use linuxcnc No pause while jog. - (I will use the mach excuse - it will be in a future version) But seriously - I have not missed it. Run from line works just perfect for me. Hard to configure/not xp/not mach. - It certainly has gotten easier. It isn't nor will it ever be mach. With flexibility comes complexity. (and linuxcnc is very very flexible) It comes down to RTFM as they are very good. (thanks JohnT) No screen editor. - See mach excuse above. ;) Seriously - There is work going on right now with Gscreen (glade screen config) Slow trajectory planner. From what I have read - the top speed of linuxcnc vs mach in CV is a bit slower. This is a limitation of the current planner. But I will take slower and steady if it is consistent. (see mach cv post above) (also see mach excuse above) ;) Now - the above issues with linuxcnc are not 'bugs' but things that could be improved or added. The pace of linuxcnc development ebbs and flows - but it is pretty quick IMHO. This was a post by bob warfield (mach guy) http://www.cnczone.com/forums/1041496-post70.html Very informative. Mach4 better live up to peoples expectations. sam (very happy linuxcnc user) (converted a large HMC with pallets and tool changer) - random videos. http://www.youtube.com/user/samcoinc On 8/7/2012 11:37 PM, jeremy youngs wrote: I spent a year in school working with tormachs and i can tell you the only benefit of mach is the gui screens for offsets are more fanuc like and something a pro machine user may recognize. But when it came time to spend money I took probotix suggestion and came here and have been impressed ever since :) As to learning I think that an open mind is key but I will defend this forum and its product as I believe it is best and we at emc users should be entitled to that opinion without harassment :) and to those that come in to shake it up what should they expect ? I mean no offense just to clarify my position and when untruths are part of the conversation I will expect that its corrected as has been done. The bottom line is both will cut parts one costs at least 300 bucks and relies on someone elses software the other is supplied and supported by nonselfish intelligent people with an open platform On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 12:11 AM, cogoman cogo...@optimum.net wrote: On 08/07/2012 02:58 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote: If Mach comes up or can provide insight, I think anyone has the right to defend or explore it here on the list, especially if one has first hand experience with it. LinuxCNC users should be as open (minded) as the software. I second this motion! -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users --
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On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 22:40 -0400, Ron Ginger wrote: Matt Shaver wrote: I spoke with Brian Barker at the CNC Workshop and I think he said that the Mac Linux versions would use external pulse generators like the SmoothStepper _only_, at least initially. Perhaps they'll go back and port their parallel port step generator module later. I have never heard any discussion of adding parallel port to Linux. In these days when everyone is worried about the end of the parallel port it would seem foolish to try. There are now abut a dozen hardware motion controllers supported on mach, with more in the works. A few things come to my mind. In my opinion, motherboard and add-on parallel ports are still common enough to not have to worry about this issue for quite a while. It seems most people who complain about the missing ports are trying to use ITX and smaller boards, but to me, worrying about a few square inches of motherboard space for a machine that often weighs over a ton borders on noise. I think it's best to consider what one wants the machine to do, then buy the hardware that best fits the need, rather than buy what's trendy, then try to make it work. On the other hand, hardware step generators for LinuxCNC are getting inexpensive enough to make them often, _overall_, cheaper than many parallel port setups. I suspect the Mach hardware generators are, or will be, closed and so would not be popular with the Linux crowd. (If you can't fix it, you don't own it, http://www.treehugger.com/clean-technology/if-you-cant-fix-it-you-dont-own-it-ifixits-new-self-repair-manifesto.html ) ... snip I dont mean to keep pushing mach here, but I will answer questions when I know the answers. ron ginger If Mach comes up or can provide insight, I think anyone has the right to defend or explore it here on the list, especially if one has first hand experience with it. LinuxCNC users should be as open (minded) as the software. -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html California, USA -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 7 August 2012 03:40, Ron Ginger rongin...@roadrunner.com wrote: Screensets offer a great capability to hide details from users. Just two examples I am aware of are an OEM selling sewing machines with a very unique interface, and a machine cutting brownies in a bakery. Believe me, the lady running the brownie cutter would not understand the normal mach screens, and I suspect linuxcnc's would be even less appealing. You _can_ do that with LinuxCNC, though I wouldn't claim it was easy. I know of at least one chap who has set up a single-axis machine with a custom Glade GUI and a HAL component (single purpose, no G-code) Actually, at that point it is debatable whether it is still LinuxCNC. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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I spent a year in school working with tormachs and i can tell you the only benefit of mach is the gui screens for offsets are more fanuc like and something a pro machine user may recognize. But when it came time to spend money I took probotix suggestion and came here and have been impressed ever since :) As to learning I think that an open mind is key but I will defend this forum and its product as I believe it is best and we at emc users should be entitled to that opinion without harassment :) and to those that come in to shake it up what should they expect ? I mean no offense just to clarify my position and when untruths are part of the conversation I will expect that its corrected as has been done. The bottom line is both will cut parts one costs at least 300 bucks and relies on someone elses software the other is supplied and supported by nonselfish intelligent people with an open platform On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 12:11 AM, cogoman cogo...@optimum.net wrote: On 08/07/2012 02:58 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote: If Mach comes up or can provide insight, I think anyone has the right to defend or explore it here on the list, especially if one has first hand experience with it. LinuxCNC users should be as open (minded) as the software. I second this motion! -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 8/5/2012 10:19 PM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: 13 posts without a response from ron in my nearly 1yr involvement here i dont think ive had a question that wasnt responded to in 5 post or less. I think you fellas here care about more than a dollar and the prompt service i dont pay for im very happy to get The recent posts have all been statements of opinion, to which there is no useful response. We all are welcome to our own opinions. I do not speak for Mach, I have a very minor bit part related to wizard support. All decisions are from Brian Barker. I follow this list because I am interested in the general area of CNC, specifically related to hobby users. I am finished with this topic, or further variations of the 'mines bigger' variety. ron ginger -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Brian, I offer another opinion here. This thread would have died a long time ago without your input. The driving force for many of the responses is not the need to prove 'Mines bigger than yours'. Everyone needs a little 'Comic relief' and jumped on this with a smile to see where it would go. I don't have a Mach system so I cannot offer a valid comment on the comparison. My reason for not even trying Mach is it runs on Windows only. In 1997/1998 I put three 5 axis MDSI controls on three 5 axis Cinci mills. I purchased MDSI's API with the purpose of developing the functionality I wished to see. I updated with them one time. The second update cycle was when they announced the next version would be based on Windows only. I called them and let them know I would not be putting Windows on any of my machines. They not only would/could/did not reconsider, they claimed they would no longer suppport the QNX versions. I have one machine running MDSI on QNX, one machine broke mechanically and one is the LinuxCNC 5 axis Cinci. Have a good day Stuart On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Ron Ginger rongin...@roadrunner.com wrote: On 8/5/2012 10:19 PM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: 13 posts without a response from ron in my nearly 1yr involvement here i dont think ive had a question that wasnt responded to in 5 post or less. I think you fellas here care about more than a dollar and the prompt service i dont pay for im very happy to get The recent posts have all been statements of opinion, to which there is no useful response. We all are welcome to our own opinions. I do not speak for Mach, I have a very minor bit part related to wizard support. All decisions are from Brian Barker. I follow this list because I am interested in the general area of CNC, specifically related to hobby users. I am finished with this topic, or further variations of the 'mines bigger' variety. ron ginger -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- dos centavos -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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I don't know why I answered to Brian - It should have been Ron. On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: Brian, I offer another opinion here. This thread would have died a long time ago without your input. The driving force for many of the responses is not the need to prove 'Mines bigger than yours'. Everyone needs a little 'Comic relief' and jumped on this with a smile to see where it would go. I don't have a Mach system so I cannot offer a valid comment on the comparison. My reason for not even trying Mach is it runs on Windows only. In 1997/1998 I put three 5 axis MDSI controls on three 5 axis Cinci mills. I purchased MDSI's API with the purpose of developing the functionality I wished to see. I updated with them one time. The second update cycle was when they announced the next version would be based on Windows only. I called them and let them know I would not be putting Windows on any of my machines. They not only would/could/did not reconsider, they claimed they would no longer suppport the QNX versions. I have one machine running MDSI on QNX, one machine broke mechanically and one is the LinuxCNC 5 axis Cinci. Have a good day Stuart On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Ron Ginger rongin...@roadrunner.comwrote: On 8/5/2012 10:19 PM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: 13 posts without a response from ron in my nearly 1yr involvement here i dont think ive had a question that wasnt responded to in 5 post or less. I think you fellas here care about more than a dollar and the prompt service i dont pay for im very happy to get The recent posts have all been statements of opinion, to which there is no useful response. We all are welcome to our own opinions. I do not speak for Mach, I have a very minor bit part related to wizard support. All decisions are from Brian Barker. I follow this list because I am interested in the general area of CNC, specifically related to hobby users. I am finished with this topic, or further variations of the 'mines bigger' variety. ron ginger -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- dos centavos -- dos centavos -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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The recent posts have all been statements of opinion, to which there is no useful response. We all are welcome to our own opinions. Uh... I don't think so.. restating what I have said: Fact - Mach3 V4 has been under development for 4 years. Fact - Mach3 V4 has missed many release dates. Bullshit - Mach4, as it will ship, has only been underway since the first of this year Fact - Mach V3 has been a static/stagnant product for years. I am finished with this topic, or further variations of the 'mines bigger' variety. Now yours might be bigger than mine, or mine might be bigger than yours (What does this have to do with CNC/Mach3/Fanuc/LinuxCNC etc ?? ), but a wise man knows when to bow out of an argument they will lose. Touche! ;-) Dave On 8/6/2012 6:42 AM, Ron Ginger wrote: On 8/5/2012 10:19 PM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: 13 posts without a response from ron in my nearly 1yr involvement here i dont think ive had a question that wasnt responded to in 5 post or less. I think you fellas here care about more than a dollar and the prompt service i dont pay for im very happy to get The recent posts have all been statements of opinion, to which there is no useful response. We all are welcome to our own opinions. I do not speak for Mach, I have a very minor bit part related to wizard support. All decisions are from Brian Barker. I follow this list because I am interested in the general area of CNC, specifically related to hobby users. I am finished with this topic, or further variations of the 'mines bigger' variety. ron ginger -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 06:42:56 -0400 Ron Ginger rongin...@roadrunner.com wrote: I am finished with this topic, or further variations of the 'mines bigger' variety. I'm actually very interested to see the Linux version of Mach. As far as I can tell, most of the criticism of Mach relates to it being hosted on Windows, and the timing related difficulties that can result. Once Mach is on Linux, it should be able to perform as well, or better than, Linuxcnc (EMC) give enough development time and effort. It will be interesting to see the differences between the two programs once the platform differences are removed. Thanks, Matt P.S. I did offer to be the first Linux guinea pig for Mach4/Linux, so I look forward to a side-by-side comparison. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 8/6/2012 1:20 PM, Matt Shaver wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 06:42:56 -0400 Ron Gingerrongin...@roadrunner.com wrote: I am finished with this topic, or further variations of the 'mines bigger' variety. I'm actually very interested to see the Linux version of Mach. As far as I can tell, most of the criticism of Mach relates to it being hosted on Windows, and the timing related difficulties that can result. Once Mach is on Linux, it should be able to perform as well, or better than, Linuxcnc (EMC) give enough development time and effort. It will be interesting to see the differences between the two programs once the platform differences are removed. Thanks, Matt P.S. I did offer to be the first Linux guinea pig for Mach4/Linux, so I look forward to a side-by-side comparison. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Are a you assuming that they would use a real time extension on Linux? I'd just be happy to see any new version of M3 actually go up for sale! Dave -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:17:58 -0400 Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: Are a you assuming that they would use a real time extension on Linux? I don't know. I spoke with Brian Barker at the CNC Workshop and I think he said that the Mac Linux versions would use external pulse generators like the SmoothStepper _only_, at least initially. Perhaps they'll go back and port their parallel port step generator module later. If they do, the tools for real time development are easily setup with a Linuxcnc CDROM. Brian did exhibit the software running a machine, and had a big meeting in the auditorium about their plans. I asked a few questions, the main one concerned plugin development. I proposed a Linuxcnc plugin that would use the Mach GUI and connect it to the Lunuxcnc bottom end. Brian expressed his approval of this idea, though I don't know if I will ever get a project where this would be needed. The main issue for me is this: Often a prospective customer will specify Mach as the control software for their project. I'm pretty good at making the case for Linuxcnc, but if a lucrative project came along where the client insisted on Mach, I could meet this requirement. The caveat is that I don't want to deliver any solutions that deliver less performance than the equivalent Linuxcnc based one. I guess time will tell! Thanks, Matt -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Matt Shaver wrote: I'm actually very interested to see the Linux version of Mach. As far as I can tell, most of the criticism of Mach relates to it being hosted on Windows, and the timing related difficulties that can result. Hmmm, much of my criticism lately is the screenset thing. It seems all anyone seems to be talking about is creating screensets for Mach, rather than cutting parts. Reminds me about John Kleinbauer's rants about the motor spinners. Once Mach is on Linux, it should be able to perform as well, or better than, Linuxcnc (EMC) give enough development time and effort. It will be interesting to see the differences between the two programs once the platform differences are removed. Well, LinuxCNC is a VERY well-constructed system, benefiting from layers of software provided even from outside the package, such as RTAI. I can't say for the work that Brian barker has done, but I was allowed to see the code of the driver that Art Fenerty created. AWK -GAACK! I sure HOPE Brian has done better with it. Certainly Art had a good idea for doing step timing that transcended the periodic interrupt granularity, but that is the only thing I know that is really good about Mach. P.S. I did offer to be the first Linux guinea pig for Mach4/Linux, so I look forward to a side-by-side comparison. Well, I have some doubts it will even happen. How are they going to deal with the RT situation, or will it require a hardware step generator with buffering? Who is going to do the development? If one has been steeped in the Windows world for years, Linux will be a strange environment to get used to and take some time to get productive. And, for Apple, they will have to convince the Apple gods that they are WORTHY of providing software for them. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Matt Shaver wrote: I spoke with Brian Barker at the CNC Workshop and I think he said that the Mac Linux versions would use external pulse generators like the SmoothStepper _only_, at least initially. Perhaps they'll go back and port their parallel port step generator module later. I have never heard any discussion of adding parallel port to Linux. In these days when everyone is worried about the end of the parallel port it would seem foolish to try. There are now abut a dozen hardware motion controllers supported on mach, with more in the works. Jon Elson wrote: Hmmm, much of my criticism lately is the screenset thing. It seems all anyone seems to be talking about is creating screensets for Mach, rather than cutting parts. Screensets offer a great capability to hide details from users. Just two examples I am aware of are an OEM selling sewing machines with a very unique interface, and a machine cutting brownies in a bakery. Believe me, the lady running the brownie cutter would not understand the normal mach screens, and I suspect linuxcnc's would be even less appealing. I can't say for the work that Brian barker has done, but I was allowed to see the code of the driver that Art Fenerty created. AWK -GAACK! Art did a total re-write of the mach3 driver for mach4. It is an example of the fresh start with several years experience. It has been running for several months and has greatly extended the I/O support including MPGs and encoders. Who is going to do the development? If one has been steeped in the Windows world for years, Linux will be a strange environment to get used to and take some time to get productive. Brian hired a full time developer with extensive cross platform experience about a year ago. He has not been identified to the mach world to enable him to stay focused on development not user support. I dont mean to keep pushing mach here, but I will answer questions when I know the answers. ron ginger -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Hello again folks! Have been busy digging into SIMOREG power/rergulator-units between other things as part of my work this summer so the controller-project has been on hold. Still the issue pops up in my mind now and then as soon as my controllers denies to serve and occasionally they do... Thing is that my boss believes that Mach3 rules in this part of the world so the debate might continue (and he also want a working Swedish example so he can have a look...) Pse also have a look at this simple excel-table and comment, I'm certain some issues are forgotten and not at all elaborated: /Roger http://abcnc.se/docs/LinuxCNC_vs_Mach3.xls ** Roger Holmquist ro...@abcnc.se 0706-250123 http://abcnc.se ** -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Ron, I simply could not resist to reply to some of Your thoughts. 2012/8/5 Ron Ginger rongin...@roadrunner.com: Mach is approaching 50,000 units sold. Over how long period of time? Most probably - years, since it has been released. LinuxCNC also has been downloaded for thousands of times over last years. And selling Mach licence to OEM does not mean anything to me - in less than a year since I am working with cnc machines, I already have retrofitted 2 machines with Mach for 2 different clients (and one more retrofit for yet another customer is in negotiation) to LinuxCNC, because they are having reliability and stability issues with Mach. All of those customers are manufacturing companies (one of them with annual turnover over 40M EUR, do not know about the rest), so machines are far from hobby use. They have work to do and dont sit around and post on mail lists or chat rooms. So do You admit the lack of customer support and lots of issues to be solved? It seems that You confirm my observation that all they care is attracting new clients instead of working with their existing customers, thus increasing customer loyalty and generating revenues from repeated sales. And these numbers are based on dollars spent, not surverys of mail lists. Ok, dollars spent is an absolute number that can be measured and compared, thus normally it is valid way to measure market share. Except one small and insignificant detail - LinuxCNC is available for free, so based on Your logic, LinuxCNC has 0% market share :)) So You have to do something else - surveys on mailing list or whatever, to assess actual situation. They have been working on Mach4 for a very long time (4 years??) and now they are clearly in a game of catchup. Mach4, as it will ship, has only been underway since the first of this year, and was demoed at the CNC workshop in June. It is intended the first version, Mach-lite, will ship in September. I am working on the Newfangled wizards for it and they are nearly ready. Hmm, yes, Andy asked very good question - what happened in those 3 years in-between? Obviously they were not focused on support of existing customers in forums, emails or chat or fixing whatever bugs there are in the app. All work is being done with cross platform tools, and OEM versions will be offered on linux and Mac. That was also shown at the workshop. Next chance to see it will be IMTS in September. Wonderful news for LinuxCNC community - having Mach on Linux will attract more CAD and CAM applications - my experience shows that it is one of the main points mentioned, when asked, why would they choose/ not choose LinuxCNC. Of course, there are solutions available, but people are not aware of them. This step will also tell potential audience that not only windows, but also Linux can be used for CNC applications. And now guess, what will be in the first lines, when somebody will search the web for keywords linux and cnc? That can only be labeled bullshit. There are many hardware vendors, all doing quite well selling their products with Mach. Some are selling more in a month that messa is selling in a year. Again, they are out there doing business, not chatting on mail lists. The fact that vendor is providing some hardware for Mach and opinion of particular vendor about the application might have very little correlation. It does not necessarily mean that they are happy with it. Has anyone ever asked them, what do they actually feel about Mach? I am sure that they would appreciate availability of source code to better understand, how that app works and so that they can better design their hardware and prepare better drivers/firmware. Actually that large number of vendors means that there are lots of unsatisfied needs for the customers that these vendors are trying to satisfy. IMHO this fact tells that Mach itself has lots of issues and hardware vendors are trying to solve/workaround them in their hardware/firmware. -- Viesturs If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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roger please give a heads up when attaching automatically downloading files as i dont really like them thanx On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Roger Holmquist ro...@abcnc.se wrote: Hello again folks! Have been busy digging into SIMOREG power/rergulator-units between other things as part of my work this summer so the controller-project has been on hold. Still the issue pops up in my mind now and then as soon as my controllers denies to serve and occasionally they do... Thing is that my boss believes that Mach3 rules in this part of the world so the debate might continue (and he also want a working Swedish example so he can have a look...) Pse also have a look at this simple excel-table and comment, I'm certain some issues are forgotten and not at all elaborated: /Roger http://abcnc.se/docs/LinuxCNC_vs_Mach3.xls ** Roger Holmquist ro...@abcnc.se 0706-250123 http://abcnc.se ** -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Ron, Email below received from Brian on 8/14/2009 - V4 development had been going on for sometime by that date.. 8/14/2009 on the Mach3 Yahoo Group email list... Terry didn't tell you that we where able to speed up the Probing :) There are many things that we will see befitting from this that you would NEVER think would have any effect.. The fact is that Art and I both knew that there was a major amount of time dedicated to the OpenGL and now we can tell OpenGL to bugger off if it thinks it is going to take to much time away from Mach3. I have some OEM work that I need to get done and as soon as that is finished I am going to make an other big push on V4 now that I have the darn Toolpath worked out.. and I will also start to get the Lathe screen changed over to the new way of doing it.. Feeling good that we got a chance to report something good and that we are getting there! Thanks Brian Mach4, as it will ship, has only been underway since the first of this year, Now that.. is bullshit and you know it... Sure, I know Mach4 development has been restarted a couple of times, but don't tell me that the current rev is a complete rewrite since Jan.. They have work to do and dont sit around and post on mail lists or chat rooms. And these numbers are based on dollars spent, not surverys of mail lists. I've been working 60+ hours per week on 3 different contracts.. yet we both had time to write some commentary. It is intended the first version, Mach-lite, will ship in September. Good.. I am looking forward to it. But, as you know, Mach3 V4 has missed more than a couple of ship dates, (Don't prompt me to retrieve further emails) so if Sept. comes and goes and it doesn't ship, no one will go into shock... ;-) That can only be labeled bullshit. There are many hardware vendors, all doing quite well selling their products with Mach. Some are selling more in a month that messa is selling in a year. Again, they are out there doing business, not chatting on mail lists. No, that is an opinion. And you missed my point. Brian and crew have spent a lot of time trying to be everything to everyone and I'm not so sure that is possible in the current environment. By being everything to everyone, Brian dilutes his resources to the point where nothing gets done/finished. (My proof - 4 years working on Mach3 V4) He would be better off doing a Mach3 V4 LPT port version with Arts driver and an Ethernet Smoothstepper version so something works really well out of the box and then start supporting everyone else. Maybe that is really the plan anyway.. I'm not in a position to know. Some are selling more in a month that messa is selling in a year. I seriously doubt that. But what does that matter? I hope this 'mine is bigger than yours' drivel has been amusing to you all. Proof again that you missed my points. Oh well. Hang in there Ron, I know it has been a rough ride, but I sincerely hope that Mach3 V4 materializes as there are places were I may be able to use it. It has been frustrating as a user to watch Mach3 stagnate and wither. I am sure as an involved developer, the frustration has been even greater. Dave On 8/4/2012 7:11 PM, Ron Ginger wrote: On 8/4/2012 12:39 PM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: Davee...@dc9.tzo.com Mach3 has some huge issues to overcome - if it is even possible. The software is stagnant and has been for years. Typical situation: A user upgrades to the newest version of Mach3 and has a problem, states the problem on the email list and gets no response. Problems are not fixed and the users appear to be apathetic about supplying assistance since there is oftentimes no fix available anyway. Dave, you just wont let it go will you. Mach is approaching 50,000 units sold. It is not slowing, rather accelerating. More than 3/4 are OEM sales, not hobby guys. They have work to do and dont sit around and post on mail lists or chat rooms. And these numbers are based on dollars spent, not surverys of mail lists. They have been working on Mach4 for a very long time (4 years??) and now they are clearly in a game of catchup. Mach4, as it will ship, has only been underway since the first of this year, and was demoed at the CNC workshop in June. It is intended the first version, Mach-lite, will ship in September. I am working on the Newfangled wizards for it and they are nearly ready. All work is being done with cross platform tools, and OEM versions will be offered on linux and Mac. That was also shown at the workshop. Next chance to see it will be IMTS in September. The Mach guys would have been better off picking one hardware board set and developing their Mach4 software with that board set in mind. That would have alienated many of the existing hardware vendors but right now they have nothing new and problems are simply not being resolved. Unfortunate, especially if you are a
Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:11:42 -0400, you wrote: Mach4, as it will ship, has only been underway since the first of this year, and was demoed at the CNC workshop in June. It is intended the first version, Mach-lite, will ship in September. I am working on the Newfangled wizards for it and they are nearly ready. Hope your going to fix the bugs John Stevenson has been telling you about for the last few years... That can only be labeled bullshit. There are many hardware vendors, all doing quite well selling their products with Mach. Some are selling more in a month that messa is selling in a year. Again, they are out there doing business, not chatting on mail lists. Of course they are, they are selling to the multitude of CNC beginners who know no better, then ignoring bug reports. Steve Blackmore -- -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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13 posts without a response from ron in my nearly 1yr involvement here i dont think ive had a question that wasnt responded to in 5 post or less. I think you fellas here care about more than a dollar and the prompt service i dont pay for im very happy to get -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: Of course they are, they are selling to the multitude of CNC beginners who know no better, then ignoring bug reports. I usually don't say this, but to some degree them breaking in beginners keeps the noise down over here. Lots of people are happy with the software the way it is. I think it's great that Mach exists, and I would prefer that we didn't into platform wars. Eric -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:05:18 -0400 Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote: Popularity isn't that important to most users. I agree. However, it _is_ important to third party hardware makers, third party software developers, and to machine makers who are trying to decide what software to use. Thanks, Matt -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 8/4/2012 12:39 PM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: Davee...@dc9.tzo.com Mach3 has some huge issues to overcome - if it is even possible. The software is stagnant and has been for years. Typical situation: A user upgrades to the newest version of Mach3 and has a problem, states the problem on the email list and gets no response. Problems are not fixed and the users appear to be apathetic about supplying assistance since there is oftentimes no fix available anyway. Dave, you just wont let it go will you. Mach is approaching 50,000 units sold. It is not slowing, rather accelerating. More than 3/4 are OEM sales, not hobby guys. They have work to do and dont sit around and post on mail lists or chat rooms. And these numbers are based on dollars spent, not surverys of mail lists. They have been working on Mach4 for a very long time (4 years??) and now they are clearly in a game of catchup. Mach4, as it will ship, has only been underway since the first of this year, and was demoed at the CNC workshop in June. It is intended the first version, Mach-lite, will ship in September. I am working on the Newfangled wizards for it and they are nearly ready. All work is being done with cross platform tools, and OEM versions will be offered on linux and Mac. That was also shown at the workshop. Next chance to see it will be IMTS in September. The Mach guys would have been better off picking one hardware board set and developing their Mach4 software with that board set in mind. That would have alienated many of the existing hardware vendors but right now they have nothing new and problems are simply not being resolved. Unfortunate, especially if you are a hardware vendor for the Mach3 software or if you have committed a lot of time to Mach3. That can only be labeled bullshit. There are many hardware vendors, all doing quite well selling their products with Mach. Some are selling more in a month that messa is selling in a year. Again, they are out there doing business, not chatting on mail lists. I hope this 'mine is bigger than yours' drivel has been amusing to you all. ron ginger -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Oooh, I like an argument. On 5 August 2012 00:11, Ron Ginger rongin...@roadrunner.com wrote: Davee...@dc9.tzo.com Typical situation: A user upgrades to the newest version of Mach3 and has a problem, states the problem on the email list and gets no response. Dave, you just wont let it go will you. Mach is approaching 50,000 units sold. It is not slowing, It appears that you are countering an assertion that support is poor with a statement of sales numbers. They have been working on Mach4 for a very long time (4 years??) and now they are clearly in a game of catchup. Mach4, as it will ship, has only been underway since the first of this year, This time you appear to have a point. Though that does seem to confirm the earlier statement that there was no development for the 3 years before that? All work is being done with cross platform tools, and OEM versions will be offered on linux and Mac. Now that is very interesting news. I assume that the Mac versions will be USB / Ethernet only as Macs have not had parallel ports since (I think) the Lisa in 1982 ? (Though Thunderbolt looks like a very promising interface for fast IO) Some are selling more in a month that messa is selling in a year. I think Pete has said that LinuxCNC is about 10% of Mesa's sales. The Mesa hardware is general-purpose industrial IO (as is the Pico stuff). Some of the current Mesa hardware could fit into the Mach3/Mach4 world rather nicely with the right drivers and firmware. I am not sure if the Pico hardware is too reliant on realtime servicing to work properly or if that too can work in a buffered mode. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Sat, 2012-08-04 at 19:11 -0400, Ron Ginger wrote: On 8/4/2012 12:39 PM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: Davee...@dc9.tzo.com Mach3 has some huge issues to overcome - if it is even possible. The software is stagnant and has been for years. Typical situation: A user upgrades to the newest version of Mach3 and has a problem, states the problem on the email list and gets no response. Problems are not fixed and the users appear to be apathetic about supplying assistance since there is oftentimes no fix available anyway. My, My Ron. A bit touchy aren't we. LinuxCNC like any other package has to stand on its merits. I'm continually amazed by the individuals that hit to list (emc-user or emc-dev) to get one question answered and then we never hear from them again; which suggests they are knowledgeable enough to (almost) make it work by themselves. This is really not about numbers but about enabling people from the lonely, isolated hobbyist to the guy running a shop with multiple machines to have control over the process and in many cases actually make money doing it. Mach3/4 attracts a certain type of clientèle and not necessarily the same population the linuxcnc attracts. That is just fine. That Mach3 works at all is a tribute to the original programmer. Dave, you just wont let it go will you. Mach is approaching 50,000 units sold. It is not slowing, rather accelerating. More than 3/4 are OEM sales, not hobby guys. They have work to do and dont sit around and post on mail lists or chat rooms. And these numbers are based on dollars spent, not surverys of mail lists. Repeat of some of the above paragraph with spelling corrected. sold. It is not slowing, rather accelerating. More than 3/4 are OEM sales, not hobby guys. They have work to do and don't sit around and post on mail lists or chat rooms. And these numbers are based on dollars spent, not surveys of mail lists. They have been working on Mach4 for a very long time (4 years??) and now they are clearly in a game of catchup. Mach4, as it will ship, has only been underway since the first of this year, and was demoed at the CNC workshop in June. It is intended the first version, Mach-lite, will ship in September. I am working on the Newfangled wizards for it and they are nearly ready. All work is being done with cross platform tools, and OEM versions will be offered on linux and Mac. That was also shown at the workshop. Next chance to see it will be IMTS in September. The Mach guys would have been better off picking one hardware board set and developing their Mach4 software with that board set in mind. That would have alienated many of the existing hardware vendors but right now they have nothing new and problems are simply not being resolved. Unfortunate, especially if you are a hardware vendor for the Mach3 software or if you have committed a lot of time to Mach3. That can only be labeled bullshit. There are many hardware vendors, all doing quite well selling their products with Mach. Some are selling more in a month that messa ( Mesa) is selling in a year. Again, they are out there doing business, not chatting on mail lists. I hope this 'mine is bigger than yours' drivel has been amusing to you all. Relax Ron, life is too short to pick the wrong battles. i.e. talk to someone who cares. :-) Dave ron ginger -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Did someone leak the Mach bashing out of the list? On Aug 4, 2012 7:21 PM, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: On Sat, 2012-08-04 at 19:11 -0400, Ron Ginger wrote: On 8/4/2012 12:39 PM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: Davee...@dc9.tzo.com Mach3 has some huge issues to overcome - if it is even possible. The software is stagnant and has been for years. Typical situation: A user upgrades to the newest version of Mach3 and has a problem, states the problem on the email list and gets no response. Problems are not fixed and the users appear to be apathetic about supplying assistance since there is oftentimes no fix available anyway. My, My Ron. A bit touchy aren't we. LinuxCNC like any other package has to stand on its merits. I'm continually amazed by the individuals that hit to list (emc-user or emc-dev) to get one question answered and then we never hear from them again; which suggests they are knowledgeable enough to (almost) make it work by themselves. This is really not about numbers but about enabling people from the lonely, isolated hobbyist to the guy running a shop with multiple machines to have control over the process and in many cases actually make money doing it. Mach3/4 attracts a certain type of clientèle and not necessarily the same population the linuxcnc attracts. That is just fine. That Mach3 works at all is a tribute to the original programmer. Dave, you just wont let it go will you. Mach is approaching 50,000 units sold. It is not slowing, rather accelerating. More than 3/4 are OEM sales, not hobby guys. They have work to do and dont sit around and post on mail lists or chat rooms. And these numbers are based on dollars spent, not surverys of mail lists. Repeat of some of the above paragraph with spelling corrected. sold. It is not slowing, rather accelerating. More than 3/4 are OEM sales, not hobby guys. They have work to do and don't sit around and post on mail lists or chat rooms. And these numbers are based on dollars spent, not surveys of mail lists. They have been working on Mach4 for a very long time (4 years??) and now they are clearly in a game of catchup. Mach4, as it will ship, has only been underway since the first of this year, and was demoed at the CNC workshop in June. It is intended the first version, Mach-lite, will ship in September. I am working on the Newfangled wizards for it and they are nearly ready. All work is being done with cross platform tools, and OEM versions will be offered on linux and Mac. That was also shown at the workshop. Next chance to see it will be IMTS in September. The Mach guys would have been better off picking one hardware board set and developing their Mach4 software with that board set in mind. That would have alienated many of the existing hardware vendors but right now they have nothing new and problems are simply not being resolved. Unfortunate, especially if you are a hardware vendor for the Mach3 software or if you have committed a lot of time to Mach3. That can only be labeled bullshit. There are many hardware vendors, all doing quite well selling their products with Mach. Some are selling more in a month that messa ( Mesa) is selling in a year. Again, they are out there doing business, not chatting on mail lists. I hope this 'mine is bigger than yours' drivel has been amusing to you all. Relax Ron, life is too short to pick the wrong battles. i.e. talk to someone who cares. :-) Dave ron ginger -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will
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On 5 August 2012 00:11, Ron Ginger rongin...@roadrunner.com wrote: Mach4, as it will ship, has only been underway since the first of this year, and was demoed at the CNC workshop in June. It is intended the first version, Mach-lite, will ship in September. I am working on the Newfangled wizards for it and they are nearly ready. Can I ask an impertinent question? (Feel free not to answer). Do you get paid for the work you do on Mach? It is, after all a commercial product, so it seems only fair that you should. (This is only a question, there is no political sub-text, I am just wondering how the work-share in Mach is set up) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 5 August 2012 01:25, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: Did someone leak the Mach bashing out of the list? There was only one post bashing Mach, and a few criticising the validity of the survey. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 08/04/2012 07:11 PM, Ron Ginger wrote: Mach4, as it will ship, has only been underway since the first of this year, and was demoed at the CNC workshop in June. It is intended the first version, Mach-lite, will ship in September. I am working on the Newfangled wizards for it and they are nearly ready. All work is being done with cross platform tools, and OEM versions will be offered on linux and Mac. That was also shown at the workshop. Next chance to see it will be IMTS in September. When the Motorola 68K and PowerPC chips continued losing ground to the X86 line, Apple found a way to get on the winning hardware while still being Apple. I don't know how hard it is for Mach to work with newer versions of Windows, but I like the cross platform development tools idea. It's cheap (though I don't know how cheap) insurance. I personally like LinuxCNC, but I'm glad Mach is out there for all those who love it, or just use it without knowing. JustWorks (TM) is great, and a few gotchas are to be expected from something as complex as a machine controller. I wish you all the best, Ron. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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stuart we may have been infiltrated!!! :) wow we must make such a difference in mach sales that our little non market group should be under someones watchful eye and then corrected at the first sign of tension. how insignificant we must be. So if they dont set around on lists because they have something to do how come this thread in our group has become so entertaining Really this is funny! And the recent number is 48.8% lcnc and 39.4 mach all on a website whose obviously biased very amusing to be such a small fish -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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HEH - yes Jeremy - just wondering :) On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 8:31 PM, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.com wrote: stuart we may have been infiltrated!!! :) wow we must make such a difference in mach sales that our little non market group should be under someones watchful eye and then corrected at the first sign of tension. how insignificant we must be. So if they dont set around on lists because they have something to do how come this thread in our group has become so entertaining Really this is funny! And the recent number is 48.8% lcnc and 39.4 mach all on a website whose obviously biased very amusing to be such a small fish -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- dos centavos -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Last I checked when I post to this list it says EMC at the top. So we cant toot our own horns on our own list? I was already going to IMTS and now I am going to go out of my way to stop and heckel MACH people. Terry - Original Message - From: Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW... HEH - yes Jeremy - just wondering :) On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 8:31 PM, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.com wrote: stuart we may have been infiltrated!!! :) wow we must make such a difference in mach sales that our little non market group should be under someones watchful eye and then corrected at the first sign of tension. how insignificant we must be. So if they dont set around on lists because they have something to do how come this thread in our group has become so entertaining Really this is funny! And the recent number is 48.8% lcnc and 39.4 mach all on a website whose obviously biased very amusing to be such a small fish -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- dos centavos -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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and take this poll: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/DB68YQF Thanks, Matt P.S. No ballet box stuffing and be honest, OK? -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 10:35:18AM -0400, Matt Shaver wrote: and take this poll: What the heck, Matt. I don't see linuxcnc on there. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Chris Radek wrote: and take this poll: What the heck, Matt. I don't see linuxcnc on there. But it's still got 22% ;) It will be a long time before I stop calling it -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Hi Chris, On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 10:35:18AM -0400, Matt Shaver wrote: and take this poll: What the heck, Matt. I don't see linuxcnc on there. It shows up as EMC2. -- Dave Hylands Shuswap, BC, Canada http://www.davehylands.com -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Matt Shaver wrote: and take this poll: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/DB68YQF Thanks, Matt P.S. No ballet box stuffing and be honest, OK? Obviously most reporters must be hobby-level, as Mach has the largest number, and Fanuc is barely there. About stuffing the box, what if I have more than one actual machine running EMC2? What if I have more than one computer with EMC2 on it (with or without machine tool)? But, I see EMC2 has a REALLY good showing, currently 33%! Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 11:42:02AM -0500, Jon Elson wrote: But, I see EMC2 has a REALLY good showing, currently 33%! Well if it's posted on the emc-users list, this is hardly surprising. Matt, how do you want to use these numbers? What is this for? -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Like any self selected participant survey, the results should be taken with a grain of salt. The instigator of this survey was Bob Warfield of CNC Cookbook fame. See: http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2012/07/31/survey-which-cnc-control-do-you-use/ -Original Message- From: Chris Radek [mailto:ch...@timeguy.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 11:46 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW... On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 11:42:02AM -0500, Jon Elson wrote: But, I see EMC2 has a REALLY good showing, currently 33%! Well if it's posted on the emc-users list, this is hardly surprising. Matt, how do you want to use these numbers? What is this for? -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:56:36 -0500 Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote: What the heck, Matt. I don't see linuxcnc on there. It's not my poll, it's this: http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2012/08/02/cnc-control-market-shares-what-are-the-most-popular-controls/ Thanks, Matt -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Bob is a mach guy (seems like a nice guy otherwise..) ;) . He cannot understand why you would need or want true closed loop control, realtime os - non buffered system. Peter tried to convince him :) http://www.cnczone.com/forums/1040843-post61.html sam On 8/3/2012 12:55 PM, Steve Stallings wrote: Like any self selected participant survey, the results should be taken with a grain of salt. The instigator of this survey was Bob Warfield of CNC Cookbook fame. See: http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2012/07/31/survey-which-cnc-control-do-you-use/ -Original Message- From: Chris Radek [mailto:ch...@timeguy.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 11:46 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW... On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 11:42:02AM -0500, Jon Elson wrote: But, I see EMC2 has a REALLY good showing, currently 33%! Well if it's posted on the emc-users list, this is hardly surprising. Matt, how do you want to use these numbers? What is this for? -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:46:00 -0500 Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote: Well if it's posted on the emc-users list, this is hardly surprising. Matt, how do you want to use these numbers? What is this for? This is a poll by Bob Warfield of cnccookbook.com. In the link I posted above ( blog.cnccookbook.com/2012/08/02/cnc-control-market-shares-what-are-the-most-popular-controls/ ) there is a preliminary analysis of their poll data in which they state: I suspect most Mach3 users wouldn’t have guessed LinuxCNC was as big as it is. I know I was surprised. I wish I had data over time in order to understand whether it was always this big or whether it has been steadily gaining share at Mach3′s expense. I get the feeling that the Mach folks feel that they own the world, so I wanted to be sure that linuxcnc (EMC2) was fairly represented. I really mean FAIRLY! I don't want any ballet stuffing or any other funny business, just a result that represents the widest possible sampling of the real world. Thanks, Matt -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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33% 2 hrs ago 39 now I think posting this was a good thing admittedly i was concerned it was spam so i checked carefully thanx. We need recognition and i am happy to see someone helping that -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Matt Shaver m...@mattshaver.com wrote: I suspect most Mach3 users wouldn’t have guessed LinuxCNC was as big as it is. I know I was surprised. I wish I had data over time in order to understand whether it was always this big or whether it has been steadily gaining share at Mach3′s expense. Unfortunately, this survey tells us nothing at all about the real popularity of anything. All we can tell for sure is that more Mach users have heard about the poll. The matter is made worse by the tiny sample set-- he is reaching conclusions based a sample of only 100 non-randomly-selected users. Unfortunately the two factors together combine to make the matter effectively meaningless. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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all of the above is absolutely true mike , in my case however i had to chek the mazak fanuc 10, fanuc other, yasnac, haas and mach as i have used it in tormach. It does appear that by the results shown this is a hobbiest pole. Any press for us is good and the results so far at least show we are not a has run On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Mike Payson mikepay...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Matt Shaver m...@mattshaver.com wrote: I suspect most Mach3 users wouldn’t have guessed LinuxCNC was as big as it is. I know I was surprised. I wish I had data over time in order to understand whether it was always this big or whether it has been steadily gaining share at Mach3′s expense. Unfortunately, this survey tells us nothing at all about the real popularity of anything. All we can tell for sure is that more Mach users have heard about the poll. The matter is made worse by the tiny sample set-- he is reaching conclusions based a sample of only 100 non-randomly-selected users. Unfortunately the two factors together combine to make the matter effectively meaningless. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Mike Payson mikepay...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, this survey tells us nothing at all about the real popularity of anything. All we can tell for sure is that more Mach users have heard about the poll. The matter is made worse by the tiny sample set-- he is reaching conclusions based a sample of only 100 non-randomly-selected users. Unfortunately the two factors together combine to make the matter effectively meaningless. -- To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure how much this affects most of us. Anyone that wants to use anything other than step/dir usually ends up using linuxcnc eventually anyway. And Linuxcnc garners a reasonable portion of the step/dir market too. I'm convinced Mach will eventually succumb to Microsoft anklebiting. Of course, using PCs for anything useful may eventually succumb to the iPad syndrome, but who knows? There are lots of people that are using Linuxcnc that we never hear from. The person that is responsible for the Shapeoko project, Edward Ford, is almost never heard from, but he's using Linuxcnc. I don't think most home cnc machines get any public exposure, and the commercial machines that use linuxcnc are even less likely to get public exposure. Popularity isn't that important to most users. Eric Keller -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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on a similar note co we track how many times the live cd is downloaded? Or perhaps the number of updates? If we did it seems we would have numbers that were at least useable ? just thoughts On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Mike Payson mikepay...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, this survey tells us nothing at all about the real popularity of anything. All we can tell for sure is that more Mach users have heard about the poll. The matter is made worse by the tiny sample set-- he is reaching conclusions based a sample of only 100 non-randomly-selected users. Unfortunately the two factors together combine to make the matter effectively meaningless. -- To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure how much this affects most of us. Anyone that wants to use anything other than step/dir usually ends up using linuxcnc eventually anyway. And Linuxcnc garners a reasonable portion of the step/dir market too. I'm convinced Mach will eventually succumb to Microsoft anklebiting. Of course, using PCs for anything useful may eventually succumb to the iPad syndrome, but who knows? There are lots of people that are using Linuxcnc that we never hear from. The person that is responsible for the Shapeoko project, Edward Ford, is almost never heard from, but he's using Linuxcnc. I don't think most home cnc machines get any public exposure, and the commercial machines that use linuxcnc are even less likely to get public exposure. Popularity isn't that important to most users. Eric Keller -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Matt Shaver wrote: and take this poll: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/DB68YQF Thanks, Matt P.S. No ballet box stuffing and be honest, OK? Hey, we're now IN THE LEAD! Amazing! Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 4 August 2012 02:46, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Hey, we're now IN THE LEAD! Amazing! Bad stats. For example the other section in the summary is clearly the result of 10 responses in total. i.e., one or two of each. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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i wonder if he will adjust his biased pie charts ? http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2012/08/02/cnc-control-market-shares-what-are-the-most-popular-controls/ On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Matt Shaver wrote: and take this poll: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/DB68YQF Thanks, Matt P.S. No ballet box stuffing and be honest, OK? Hey, we're now IN THE LEAD! Amazing! Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- jeremy youngs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
