[Emc-users] mach3

[a k]

hi
i use google to fine who make mach3 and found a lot noise.
who actually make mach3  and is there web link to them ?

thanks
aram
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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Lester Caine]

On 03/07/14 20:54, a k wrote:
> hi
> i use google to fine who make mach3 and found a lot noise.
> who actually make mach3  and is there web link to them ?

There is only one manufacturer who is Newfangled
http://www.machsupport.com/

There are a growing number of hacked versions floating around :(

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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Philipp Burch]

Hi Aram!

On 03.07.2014 21:54, a k wrote:
> hi
> i use google to fine who make mach3 and found a lot noise.
> who actually make mach3  and is there web link to them ?

You would also ask Apple about who develops MS Word, wouldn't you?

Anyway, a quick web search yielded this promising link:
http://www.machsupport.com/software/mach3/

Regards,
Philipp



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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Marius Liebenberg]

Your Google is broken

On 2014-07-03 21:54, a k wrote:
> hi
> i use google to fine who make mach3 and found a lot noise.
> who actually make mach3  and is there web link to them ?
>
> thanks
> aram
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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Alex Joni]

Send it back, get a refund

Alex

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] mach3


> Your Google is broken
> 
> On 2014-07-03 21:54, a k wrote:
>> hi
>> i use google to fine who make mach3 and found a lot noise.
>> who actually make mach3  and is there web link to them ?
>>
>> thanks
>> aram


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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 05 July 2014 05:51:58 Alex Joni did opine
And Gene did reply:
> Send it back, get a refund
> 
> Alex

My thoughts exactly, Aram, Linuxcnc can I believe do anything Mach3 can 
do.

First, it only runs on windows, and thats strikes one, two and three 
you're out right there.

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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Philipp Burch]

Hi Gene,

I think that Alex meant to send back the broken Google, not Mach3 ;)

Cheers,
Philipp

On 05.07.2014 13:09, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 05 July 2014 05:51:58 Alex Joni did opine
> And Gene did reply:
>> Send it back, get a refund
>>
>> Alex
> 
> My thoughts exactly, Aram, Linuxcnc can I believe do anything Mach3 can 
> do.
> 
> First, it only runs on windows, and thats strikes one, two and three 
> you're out right there.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 



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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 05 July 2014 07:28:02 Philipp Burch did opine
And Gene did reply:
> Hi Gene,
> 
> I think that Alex meant to send back the broken Google, not Mach3 ;)
> 
> Cheers,
> Philipp

Chuckle.  But either way, the "send it back" was good advice.  Google 
seems to be playing with its search results=broken google IMO.

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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Stuart Stevenson]

Not sure what Aram is looking for but why is there so many catty remarks
and so much sarcasm. I can think of more than one reason to explore a
different system.
If you just want to put someone down why don't you pick a target that will
fight back. All I see from Aram is questions about what problems he is
having and then attempted positive comments to some of the negative
response he gets. People should either not engage if they are not inclined
to help or help.
Just sayin
Stuart
 On Jul 5, 2014 6:32 AM, "Philipp Burch"  wrote:

> Hi Gene,
>
> I think that Alex meant to send back the broken Google, not Mach3 ;)
>
> Cheers,
> Philipp
>
> On 05.07.2014 13:09, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 05 July 2014 05:51:58 Alex Joni did opine
> > And Gene did reply:
> >> Send it back, get a refund
> >>
> >> Alex
> >
> > My thoughts exactly, Aram, Linuxcnc can I believe do anything Mach3 can
> > do.
> >
> > First, it only runs on windows, and thats strikes one, two and three
> > you're out right there.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Alex Joni]

Spot on Philipp,

I don't have anything against Mach3. I use one* every other day :)

Joke aside, Mach3 shares some codebase with LinuxCNC (early days, when 
LinuxCNC was still EMC - and public domain).

Other than that I have no real interest in it ...


Cheers,
Alex


* http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mach3+gillette

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Hi Gene,

I think that Alex meant to send back the broken Google, not Mach3 ;)

Cheers,
Philipp

On 05.07.2014 13:09, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 05 July 2014 05:51:58 Alex Joni did opine
> And Gene did reply:
>> Send it back, get a refund
>>
>> Alex
>
> My thoughts exactly, Aram, Linuxcnc can I believe do anything Mach3 can
> do.
>
> First, it only runs on windows, and thats strikes one, two and three
> you're out right there.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>


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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Dave Cole]

Lester,

What do you mean by "hacked versions"?  The original Mach3 prior to the 
latest "secure" activation scheme was not copy protected. You could buy 
a copy and get the license key and duplicate it a thousand times if you 
wanted to.   The only recourse that Mach3 had was to prevent it from 
being updated with the copied license key (If they could even do that..)

I purchased several Mach3 license keys for various installations, but 
that was years ago.

Do you mean that the new "activated Mach3 software" has been hacked?

That would not surprise me.   There are people out there who have become 
very good at removing "activations".

Dave



On 7/3/2014 4:13 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
> On 03/07/14 20:54, a k wrote:
>> hi
>> i use google to fine who make mach3 and found a lot noise.
>> who actually make mach3  and is there web link to them ?
> There is only one manufacturer who is Newfangled
> http://www.machsupport.com/
>
> There are a growing number of hacked versions floating around :(
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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Dave Cole]

Aram,

Mach3 works when used within its limits.
But if you want to do any customization of Mach3 you need to know its 
limits.
Get on the Forum and do some research and don't think you can just "work 
around" the well known issues.
http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php?board=1.0

Dave


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> i use google to fine who make mach3 and found a lot noise.
> who actually make mach3  and is there web link to them ?
>
> thanks
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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Rafael Skodlar]

I have no horse in his race but found this thread amusing until now.

On 07/05/2014 05:23 AM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> Not sure what Aram is looking for but why is there so many catty remarks
> and so much sarcasm. I can think of more than one reason to explore a
> different system.

When you are exploring a different system then ask questions about it on 
related forums.

> If you just want to put someone down why don't you pick a target that will

You need to go read email exchange between some members of this list and 
"target individual" where he was extremely rude IMO [1] not very long 
ago. Only then you'll understand the reaction to his latest silly 
question about a product that has nothing to do with LinuxCNC.

[1] That kind of experience would keep me quiet for a year before asking 
for help again. I understand there is a language barrier but that 
exchange was not about problem with understanding English language. It 
was about ignorance after they tried to help him and people got tired of 
it. This reminds me of mailing lists rule no. #1: don't offend people 
that (try to) help for free.

And there is this: I've done a lot of linux support in early days 
mailing lists and news groups when there were only a handful of sites 
with anything on Linux and there was only one printed collection of 
messages from the Linux news group in first Linux Bible. It was 
understandable that software developers needed help to get systems up 
and start writing or porting applications to Linux but they lacked 
hardware or system administrative skills that some of us were able to 
provide.

These days people are too _damn_ lazy to search on one of numerous 
search engines before they send a request for help on a mailing list. 
That's why we see so many of the same (newbie) questions over and over 
again.

Searching on the Internet requires some skills too but this mailing list 
is not appropriate place for learning it IMO.

> fight back. All I see from Aram is questions about what problems he is
> having and then attempted positive comments to some of the negative
> response he gets. People should either not engage if they are not inclined
> to help or help.
> Just sayin
> Stuart

Your new target,

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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Stuart Stevenson]

Rafael,
I also don't find this thread amusing.
I don't consider anyone a target. Sorry, no catty remarks from me.
Thanks
Stuart
On Jul 5, 2014 11:32 AM, "Rafael Skodlar"  wrote:

> I have no horse in his race but found this thread amusing until now.
>
> On 07/05/2014 05:23 AM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > Not sure what Aram is looking for but why is there so many catty remarks
> > and so much sarcasm. I can think of more than one reason to explore a
> > different system.
>
> When you are exploring a different system then ask questions about it on
> related forums.
>
> > If you just want to put someone down why don't you pick a target that
> will
>
> You need to go read email exchange between some members of this list and
> "target individual" where he was extremely rude IMO [1] not very long
> ago. Only then you'll understand the reaction to his latest silly
> question about a product that has nothing to do with LinuxCNC.
>
> [1] That kind of experience would keep me quiet for a year before asking
> for help again. I understand there is a language barrier but that
> exchange was not about problem with understanding English language. It
> was about ignorance after they tried to help him and people got tired of
> it. This reminds me of mailing lists rule no. #1: don't offend people
> that (try to) help for free.
>
> And there is this: I've done a lot of linux support in early days
> mailing lists and news groups when there were only a handful of sites
> with anything on Linux and there was only one printed collection of
> messages from the Linux news group in first Linux Bible. It was
> understandable that software developers needed help to get systems up
> and start writing or porting applications to Linux but they lacked
> hardware or system administrative skills that some of us were able to
> provide.
>
> These days people are too _damn_ lazy to search on one of numerous
> search engines before they send a request for help on a mailing list.
> That's why we see so many of the same (newbie) questions over and over
> again.
>
> Searching on the Internet requires some skills too but this mailing list
> is not appropriate place for learning it IMO.
>
> > fight back. All I see from Aram is questions about what problems he is
> > having and then attempted positive comments to some of the negative
> > response he gets. People should either not engage if they are not
> inclined
> > to help or help.
> > Just sayin
> > Stuart
>
> Your new target,
>
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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Lester Caine]

On 05/07/14 17:25, Dave Cole wrote:
> That would not surprise me.   There are people out there who have become 
> very good at removing "activations".

There are site 'selling' Mach3 below the cost of a licence. Some of the
licences are simply copies, others are 'hacked' keys. Yes you only need
a 'copy' of a key to unlock mach3 but there are some keys which will not
work properly with current downloads of Mach3!

The original question was about the real download site, and it does
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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Dave Cole]

On 7/5/2014 12:30 PM, Rafael Skodlar wrote:
> When you are exploring a different system then ask questions about it on
> related forums.

Except that he said that he could not find the appropriate forum and he 
was asking for direction.   That seems reasonable to me.

 >>You need to go read email exchange between some members of this list 
and "target individual" where he was extremely rude IMO [1] not very 
long ago.<<

I'm certain that he is aware of the "feelings and anger" he raised on this 
email list.  It happened, its over.

 From my experience, sarcasm is nearly impossible to understand if your native 
language is not English.  So chances are that a lot of the "catty remarks" only 
resulted in confusion.

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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Dave Cole]

>>There are site 'selling' Mach3 below the cost of a licence.

That's a new low.   :-(


Dave



On 7/5/2014 3:53 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
> On 05/07/14 17:25, Dave Cole wrote:
>> That would not surprise me.   There are people out there who have become
>> very good at removing "activations".
> There are site 'selling' Mach3 below the cost of a licence. Some of the
> licences are simply copies, others are 'hacked' keys. Yes you only need
> a 'copy' of a key to unlock mach3 but there are some keys which will not
> work properly with current downloads of Mach3!
>
> The original question was about the real download site, and it does
> Google no good that they actually provide links to sites which are not
> legal. At least now they are being forced to take more responsibility
> for invalid data, but personally I don't find Google a lot of use UNTIL
> you know that what you are looking at is legal ...
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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[a k]

Hi

I can see that some people get obsession for FREE thing like a free help.

If it is FREE , one free to do everything. Why?--- because it is FREE.

No rule no restriction because it is FREE.



One remark   – you got what you paid for---

Possible talk a lot about FREE thing ( google.com is FREE – so/and ….etc.)

Thursday I did call to NIST and found the person that originally put
together EMC2. It was interesting to talk to him. One my question was—why
none of major educational institution in the USA – like MIT etc—does not
put EMC/EMC2 into their program and offer – class online etc ?  different
class for different level/need of student.

The answer was – it is good question—it is very good question.

Need to wait for fall to find right people in colleges/university to ask.



If school like MIT will offer emc2 class, that will remove many –(newbie)
from this list for sure.


aram


On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:

> >>There are site 'selling' Mach3 below the cost of a licence.
>
> That's a new low.   :-(
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On 7/5/2014 3:53 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
> > On 05/07/14 17:25, Dave Cole wrote:
> >> That would not surprise me.   There are people out there who have become
> >> very good at removing "activations".
> > There are site 'selling' Mach3 below the cost of a licence. Some of the
> > licences are simply copies, others are 'hacked' keys. Yes you only need
> > a 'copy' of a key to unlock mach3 but there are some keys which will not
> > work properly with current downloads of Mach3!
> >
> > The original question was about the real download site, and it does
> > Google no good that they actually provide links to sites which are not
> > legal. At least now they are being forced to take more responsibility
> > for invalid data, but personally I don't find Google a lot of use UNTIL
> > you know that what you are looking at is legal ...
> >
>
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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 05 July 2014 20:05:56 a k did opine
And Gene did reply:
> Hi
> 
> I can see that some people get obsession for FREE thing like a free
> help.
> 
> If it is FREE , one free to do everything. Why?--- because it is FREE.
> 
> No rule no restriction because it is FREE.
> 
> 
> 
> One remark   – you got what you paid for---
> 
> Possible talk a lot about FREE thing ( google.com is FREE – so/and
> ….etc.)
> 
> Thursday I did call to NIST and found the person that originally put
> together EMC2. It was interesting to talk to him. One my question
> was—why none of major educational institution in the USA – like
> MIT etc—does not put EMC/EMC2 into their program and offer – class
> online etc ?  different class for different level/need of student.
> 
> The answer was – it is good question—it is very good question.
> 
> Need to wait for fall to find right people in colleges/university to
> ask.
> 
> 
> 
> If school like MIT will offer emc2 class, that will remove many
> –(newbie) from this list for sure.
> 
> 
> aram

Welcome Aram in case my previous responses weren't all that encouraging.

And free as in zero cost is not a major consideration to me, its far more 
important that of these two lists, the huge majority of the coders who 
"make it work" are right here to answer your questions.  They have, and 
continue to share their knowledge with the old fart that I am.  Legit 
problems reported are generally addressed by a fresh download in 48 hours 
or less.  Compare that to getting a straight answer out of the Redmond 
monolith.

That would be nice, as they would not be so much a newbie when they arrive 
at this list. ;-)  But they will arrive here eventually. I was one of 
those myself, most of a decade back.  Still am at times. :(

But, I would also like to see it catch hold in the tech/vocational 
schools, which are often geared toward teaching troubled teens carpentry 
or auto mechanics or some other aspect of the workplace they will have to 
live in in the future.  Teaching them a MODERN trade, both in machining, 
and in creating the machines to do it with, strikes me as a win win 
situation for society as a whole, regardless of ethnicity and such. Heck, 
I could be interested in trying to teach such a class but I couldn't keep 
up a 5 days a week schedule at my age, 79, if the drive is 35 miles one 
way as it would be for the nearest such school around here.

I could see a two year class for credit and potentially testing for 
accreditation if there is such a thing. ??

One Community College in Norfolk NE had such a program in the early '70's 
intended to generate a few C.E.T.'s, which I am one of.  But I blew the 
prof away when I walked in cold and asked for the journeyman level test on 
the day they had announced as test day.  And aced it, in about an hour of 
the 4 they gave to answer 125 multiple choice or draw it questions.  None 
of his students had managed that even at the apprentice level in the 5 
years he had been teaching it.  I was then keeping one of Nebraska ETV's 
UHF transmitter sites running well. So I had plenty of what some would 
have called exotic experience, as klystron amplifiers are to most, some 
sort of black magic.  That was 42 years ago.

So ask away, someone here will be sure to have an opinion.

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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[Gregg Eshelman]

Get ready for Mach 3!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yL-u7lsMxk

The intro music, sound effects and voices in the game were all digitized 
audio played through the PC speaker, without interrupting anything else. 
To bad the game's authors didn't put as much effort into the effects as 
they did the intro.

The 'regular' method of using the PC speaker caused an interrupt which 
halted everything else in the system, which is why it was normally used 
only for a simple, short beep.

Microsoft made a PC speaker audio driver for Windows 3.x but it followed 
the rules, everything halted while audio was being played. It wasn't 
until Windows 95 that Microsoft figured out how to do what DOS games had 
been doing for years with the PC speaker. The driver for Win 9x does not 
bring the system to a halt while digitized audio plays through the PC 
speaker.

'Course not many people ever experienced that since by 1995 a sound card 
or audio device built into the motherboard was pretty much standard 
equipment. (Yup, I had one Win 95a box without a sound card so I used 
the PC speaker driver.)

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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[dave]

I'm going to  jump in here. Aram can be hard to communicate with since
English is not his first language; but he is in this country and trying
to make a living. He tries some pretty experimental and imaginative
approaches to solving his customers problems. 


On Sat, 2014-07-05 at 07:23 -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> Not sure what Aram is looking for but why is there so many catty remarks
> and so much sarcasm. I can think of more than one reason to explore a
> different system.
> If you just want to put someone down why don't you pick a target that will
> fight back. All I see from Aram is questions about what problems he is
> having and then attempted positive comments to some of the negative
> response he gets. People should either not engage if they are not inclined
> to help or help.
> Just sayin
> Stuart
>  On Jul 5, 2014 6:32 AM, "Philipp Burch"  wrote:
> 
> > Hi Gene,
> >
> > I think that Alex meant to send back the broken Google, not Mach3 ;)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Philipp
> >
> > On 05.07.2014 13:09, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Saturday 05 July 2014 05:51:58 Alex Joni did opine
> > > And Gene did reply:
> > >> Send it back, get a refund
> > >>
> > >> Alex
> > >
> > > My thoughts exactly, Aram, Linuxcnc can I believe do anything Mach3 can
> > > do.
> > >
> > > First, it only runs on windows, and thats strikes one, two and three
> > > you're out right there.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > >
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] mach3

[dave]

Damm evolution: I hit a return and it sent the message

So copy and try again:
I'm going to  jump in here. Aram can be hard to communicate with since
English is not his first language; but he is in this country and trying
to make a living. He tries some pretty experimental and imaginative
approaches to solving his customers problems. 

I use linuxcnc because I'm tight and it fits my needs. 
If someone wants to use mach3 or (greater?) ...well you pays your money
and takes your chances. 

Sometimes Aram listens and sometimes not; pretty much like the rest of
us. 

I'm finally back home after some 3600 road miles and too many nights in
a strange bed. "It is known as 'yes dear' or "yes, my love". ;-)

Now back to the shop and some fun.

Dave



On Sat, 2014-07-05 at 07:23 -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> Not sure what Aram is looking for but why is there so many catty remarks
> and so much sarcasm. I can think of more than one reason to explore a
> different system.
> If you just want to put someone down why don't you pick a target that will
> fight back. All I see from Aram is questions about what problems he is
> having and then attempted positive comments to some of the negative
> response he gets. People should either not engage if they are not inclined
> to help or help.
> Just sayin
> Stuart
>  On Jul 5, 2014 6:32 AM, "Philipp Burch"  wrote:
> 
> > Hi Gene,
> >
> > I think that Alex meant to send back the broken Google, not Mach3 ;)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Philipp
> >
> > On 05.07.2014 13:09, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Saturday 05 July 2014 05:51:58 Alex Joni did opine
> > > And Gene did reply:
> > >> Send it back, get a refund
> > >>
> > >> Alex
> > >
> > > My thoughts exactly, Aram, Linuxcnc can I believe do anything Mach3 can
> > > do.
> > >
> > > First, it only runs on windows, and thats strikes one, two and three
> > > you're out right there.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > >
> >
> >
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[Emc-users] Mach3 / EMC G and M-Code

[Rainer Schmidt]

Is there a fundamental difference between the Mach3 and the EMC G/M
Codes or will all regular/CAM generated stuff for Mach3 run also with
EMC?
Cheers
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[Emc-users] mach3(winderz) vs LCNC bob useage diffs

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings all, PCW in particular;

Trying to sort a basket of rattlesnakes here. This computer has been 
driving an HF micromill, thru the parport, using software stepping since 
the early 2000's, thru a variety of actual motherboards.

It seems that mach3 at least, uses pins on a std parport that somewhat 
resemble a game of 52 pickup. Scrambled would be the mixed audience 
description.  

Whereas all the stuff I've ever used, this being a linux only site, has 
driven the x axis steppers from the db25 pins 2 and 3.

But  not mach3, where ack a doc I just found on cnczone:
pin1=XStep
Pin2=YEnable,
Pin3=YDir
Pin4=ZDir
Pin5=ZStep
Pin6=ZEnable
Pin7=XDir
pin8=YStep
pin9=spindle on/off relay on most bobs. Dir and speed apparently not 
supported by mach3.  Shakes head in disbelief.
pin10=input1
pin11=input2
pin12=input3
pin13=input4
pin14=XEnable
pin15=not used in 3 axis setup, but I've a 4 axis machine.
pin16=expand output1
pin17=expand output2
pins18-25 grounded

Funny part, from the keyboard Y works both dirs, Z works both dirs 
although I had to invert the scales in the .ini file. So I am not even 
50% sure that is how THIS machine is wired.

PCW: Does the 5i25 have a firmware that can drive this mess?

Or am I doomed to rewire the electronics box that came with this beast to 
make it into a std machine? In which case I'll just go get the box I was 
driving the HF toy with, its already setup to drive 4 axis's. Thats 
sounding like a better option all the time, but it needs more volts, 
only 28 for the 2M542's in it. Needs 40+ volts to reach the speeds a 
5i25 can drive it at. Uses the same  motor connector although I might 
have to make pins match in the cabling. IIRC that will be a matter of 
moving wires on the output terminal strip on that box. Since the 2m542's 
have been totally bulletproof, that might be the best idea. That leaves 
the spindle control to deal with.

Its bob is different from any I've seen before.

Even if I expand p3 usage with a 7i76?

Thanks everybody.

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Re: [Emc-users] Mach3 / EMC G and M-Code

[Stephen Wille Padnos]

Rainer Schmidt wrote:

>Is there a fundamental difference between the Mach3 and the EMC G/M
>Codes or will all regular/CAM generated stuff for Mach3 run also with
>EMC?
>  
>
I don't know all the differences, but I do know that there are some 
canned cycles in Mach that EMC2 doesn't have, like G10/G11 (for a 
circular pocket or some such).  If the post more or less uses G0-G3 and 
few canned cycles, the code should be pretty close.  Both Mach3 and EMC2 
are based on the same interpreter, but the split happened a long time ago :)

- Steve


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Re: [Emc-users] Mach3 / EMC G and M-Code

[Steve Blackmore]

On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:20:38 -0400, you wrote:

>Is there a fundamental difference between the Mach3 and the EMC G/M
>Codes or will all regular/CAM generated stuff for Mach3 run also with

Turn differs, EMC uses G33 for threading, rather than the much more
common G32, Toolchange parameters differ, as does CSS (Mach has an
additional max speed parameter) As Steve said, some canned cycles
differ, or aren't in EMC. For instance, G76 is totally different and
some of the same parameters have radically different meanings and
potentially damaging consequences.

Other canned cycles may also have different parameters and behaviour, so
you need to check those carefully in both Mill and Turn.
 

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Re: [Emc-users] Mach3 / EMC G and M-Code

[Alex Joni]

>  rather than the much more common G32,
I wonder how you determined that?

I see some controls using G33 (Okuma, Fanuc, etc) and others G32 (Haas, 
Heidenhein?, etc).

Regards,
Alex


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Re: [Emc-users] Mach3 / EMC G and M-Code

[Rainer Schmidt]

Thanks! I see that I have to study that in detail. A company is
providing me with a software module and I have to submit G/M codes for
that. I try to keep it in the set describing mach3 and emc
capabilities as I am going to switch from Mach3 in the near future.
Cheers and thanks
Rainer

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Alex Joni  wrote:
>>  rather than the much more common G32,
> I wonder how you determined that?
>
> I see some controls using G33 (Okuma, Fanuc, etc) and others G32 (Haas,
> Heidenhein?, etc).
>
> Regards,
> Alex
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Re: [Emc-users] Mach3 / EMC G and M-Code

[Steve Blackmore]

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:36:19 +0300, you wrote:

>>  rather than the much more common G32,
>I wonder how you determined that?
>
>I see some controls using G33 (Okuma, Fanuc, etc) and others G32 (Haas, 
>Heidenhein?, etc).

Early Fanucs did use G33 - they changed to G32 after 11 series IIRC.

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Re: [Emc-users] mach3(winderz) vs LCNC bob useage diffs

[Marius Liebenberg]

Gene
You can configure Mach3 to drive anything on any output pin. It is up to 
the creator of the machine and the BOB that is used.
You can dump the enable signals and hard wire them to be on all the 
time. The last thing you want is for the machine to have the steppers 
switched of and some axis moved.


Mach3 can drive 6 axis from the parallel port same as LCNC. It's a port 
limitation.


I have replaced the parport on some Mach machines with a 5i25 board with 
the right firmware used to simulate a parport. I cannot remember the 
name of the pin file but I will try and look for it.



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Subject: [Emc-users] mach3(winderz) vs LCNC bob useage diffs


Greetings all, PCW in particular;

Trying to sort a basket of rattlesnakes here. This computer has been
driving an HF micromill, thru the parport, using software stepping 
since

the early 2000's, thru a variety of actual motherboards.

It seems that mach3 at least, uses pins on a std parport that somewhat
resemble a game of 52 pickup. Scrambled would be the mixed audience
description.

Whereas all the stuff I've ever used, this being a linux only site, has
driven the x axis steppers from the db25 pins 2 and 3.

But  not mach3, where ack a doc I just found on cnczone:
pin1=XStep
Pin2=YEnable,
Pin3=YDir
Pin4=ZDir
Pin5=ZStep
Pin6=ZEnable
Pin7=XDir
pin8=YStep
pin9=spindle on/off relay on most bobs. Dir and speed apparently not
supported by mach3.  Shakes head in disbelief.
pin10=input1
pin11=input2
pin12=input3
pin13=input4
pin14=XEnable
pin15=not used in 3 axis setup, but I've a 4 axis machine.
pin16=expand output1
pin17=expand output2
pins18-25 grounded

Funny part, from the keyboard Y works both dirs, Z works both dirs
although I had to invert the scales in the .ini file. So I am not even
50% sure that is how THIS machine is wired.

PCW: Does the 5i25 have a firmware that can drive this mess?

Or am I doomed to rewire the electronics box that came with this beast 
to
make it into a std machine? In which case I'll just go get the box I 
was

driving the HF toy with, its already setup to drive 4 axis's. Thats
sounding like a better option all the time, but it needs more volts,
only 28 for the 2M542's in it. Needs 40+ volts to reach the speeds a
5i25 can drive it at. Uses the same  motor connector although I might
have to make pins match in the cabling. IIRC that will be a matter of
moving wires on the output terminal strip on that box. Since the 
2m542's

have been totally bulletproof, that might be the best idea. That leaves
the spindle control to deal with.

Its bob is different from any I've seen before.

Even if I expand p3 usage with a 7i76?

Thanks everybody.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] mach3(winderz) vs LCNC bob useage diffs

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 02 January 2019 08:58:27 Marius Liebenberg wrote:

> Gene
> You can configure Mach3 to drive anything on any output pin. It is up
> to the creator of the machine and the BOB that is used.
> You can dump the enable signals and hard wire them to be on all the
> time. The last thing you want is for the machine to have the steppers
> switched of and some axis moved.
>
> Mach3 can drive 6 axis from the parallel port same as LCNC. It's a
> port limitation.
>
> I have replaced the parport on some Mach machines with a 5i25 board
> with the right firmware used to simulate a parport. I cannot remember
> the name of the pin file but I will try and look for it.
>
That, Marius, I likely have in the 5i25 in that machine right now, so 
don't go out of your way in that. I put the card in it a couple years 
ago and had forgotten it. So its running on a real parport ATM.

I went back to bed after posting that since the missus wasn't awake yet, 
and the first thing I'm going to do is go get the 4 axis box I've been 
running the little hf mill with for years. The worst I might have to do 
is rearrange the motor coils on the terminal block all the motor cables 
hit on the side of that box. Its already set to pound sense into 
somewhat bigger nema 23's so I'll only turn the currents down if they 
get too hot. That will take care of everything but the spindle, and 
there already pwm, dir and a separate enable coming off that bob that I 
can wire up to the OEM box when I get tired of running it by hand. I see 
this vfd can be set to run from a pwm, and is normally driven from the 
relay db25-9 controls, but that bob has no relay. Its a late version of 
a CNC4PC C1G, the one that has all the leds for trouble shooting.  I 
love that bob, but its priced itself out of the market at $80 so its no 
longer made. The next best one is the $18 SainSmart, the only opto's are 
the inputs, and they are easily bypassed if you have a high resolution 
encoder, which because mine for the G0704, is on the back of the motor, 
has a scale of 7000+ in high gear. and over 14,000 in low gear.  And its 
plumb amazing how tight the control is now. I can set it in high gear 
where the top revs is 3000, to 35 revs, and I cannot stop the spindle by 
hand! 

However, it appears that this 120 volt vfd, although haveing a more 
complex setup with 200 setup points acc the docs I found on it, is not 
capable of reverse running! At least theres no reverse callout in the 
mach pinout I have. We'll have to see, after makeing the 1st 4 axis's 
run and scaled correctly, hopefully by the end of the day. The pitch of 
the ball screws is UNK and the sizes vary.

I may have to transplant some code from the G0704's hal file that I used 
to determine the spindle scale's there. One possibility anyway, as that 
worked really well. Just comment it back out when done but left it that 
way for possibly future use.

Probe the length of the ruler from a trysquare with a 1/8" tool, divide 
that count by 97 (extra 1/8th for the tool dia), and * 96 and use that 
for an axis scale.  That ought to give .001" per foot, provided the 
ruler itself is accurate. A purely local std, if you've more than one, 
probe them all and average the result. Quick and dirty, and likely as 
accurate or better than a dial. And if counting steps, the answer is in 
steps. Neat!

And that lack of a reverse is a bummer because I have for yonks, used a 
low speed reverse when probing as it guarantees perfect probe 
concentricity giving accuracy's well below .001" with any old contact in 
the spindle. Doesn't, unless heavily oxidized alu the probe has to hit 
hard enough to cut/punch thru, leave a mark on the work.  And thats an 
ideal way to locate the work since its going to normally be mounted on 
an insulating spoil board anyway on a machine like a 6040. Might have to 
step up the probing voltage so it will punch a hole in the oxide better 
when its only a micron away. The only provision for edge finding is that 
you have to know the probes rad, completely unk when its a wobbly piece 
of 10 ga copper sticking out of a teflon holder, so I don't edge find 
with that on the g0704, but for locating a hole, it can't be beat. The 
disadvantage of coarse is the tool change.

A bridge to be located, identified and crossed, when encountered.

Thank you Marius.  Once again, the conversation has shown me other 
potential ways to skin this cat.  From that, I make progress.

 
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Gene Heskett" 
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Sent: 2019-01-02 13:46:51
> Subject: [Emc-users] mach3(winderz) vs LCNC bob useage diffs
>
> >Greetings all, PCW in particular;
> >
> >Trying to sort a basket of rattlesnakes here. This computer has been
> >driving an HF micromill, thru t

Re: [Emc-users] mach3(winderz) vs LCNC bob useage diffs

[Marius Liebenberg]

Subject: Re: [Emc-users] mach3(winderz) vs LCNC bob useage diffs


On Wednesday 02 January 2019 08:58:27 Marius Liebenberg wrote:


 Gene
 You can configure Mach3 to drive anything on any output pin. It is up
 to the creator of the machine and the BOB that is used.
 You can dump the enable signals and hard wire them to be on all the
 time. The last thing you want is for the machine to have the steppers
 switched of and some axis moved.

 Mach3 can drive 6 axis from the parallel port same as LCNC. It's a
 port limitation.

 I have replaced the parport on some Mach machines with a 5i25 board
 with the right firmware used to simulate a parport. I cannot remember
 the name of the pin file but I will try and look for it.


That, Marius, I likely have in the 5i25 in that machine right now, so
don't go out of your way in that. I put the card in it a couple years
ago and had forgotten it. So its running on a real parport ATM.

I went back to bed after posting that since the missus wasn't awake 
yet,

and the first thing I'm going to do is go get the 4 axis box I've been
running the little hf mill with for years. The worst I might have to do
is rearrange the motor coils on the terminal block all the motor cables
hit on the side of that box. Its already set to pound sense into
somewhat bigger nema 23's so I'll only turn the currents down if they
get too hot. That will take care of everything but the spindle, and
there already pwm, dir and a separate enable coming off that bob that I
can wire up to the OEM box when I get tired of running it by hand. I 
see

this vfd can be set to run from a pwm, and is normally driven from the
relay db25-9 controls, but that bob has no relay. Its a late version of
a CNC4PC C1G, the one that has all the leds for trouble shooting.  I
love that bob, but its priced itself out of the market at $80 so its no
longer made. The next best one is the $18 SainSmart, the only opto's 
are

the inputs, and they are easily bypassed if you have a high resolution
encoder, which because mine for the G0704, is on the back of the motor,
has a scale of 7000+ in high gear. and over 14,000 in low gear.  And 
its

plumb amazing how tight the control is now. I can set it in high gear
where the top revs is 3000, to 35 revs, and I cannot stop the spindle 
by

hand!

However, it appears that this 120 volt vfd, although haveing a more
complex setup with 200 setup points acc the docs I found on it, is not
capable of reverse running! At least theres no reverse callout in the
mach pinout I have. We'll have to see, after makeing the 1st 4 axis's
run and scaled correctly, hopefully by the end of the day. The pitch of
the ball screws is UNK and the sizes vary.

I may have to transplant some code from the G0704's hal file that I 
used

to determine the spindle scale's there. One possibility anyway, as that
worked really well. Just comment it back out when done but left it that
way for possibly future use.

Probe the length of the ruler from a trysquare with a 1/8" tool, divide
that count by 97 (extra 1/8th for the tool dia), and * 96 and use that
for an axis scale.  That ought to give .001" per foot, provided the
ruler itself is accurate. A purely local std, if you've more than one,
probe them all and average the result. Quick and dirty, and likely as
accurate or better than a dial. And if counting steps, the answer is in
steps. Neat!

And that lack of a reverse is a bummer because I have for yonks, used a
low speed reverse when probing as it guarantees perfect probe
concentricity giving accuracy's well below .001" with any old contact 
in

the spindle. Doesn't, unless heavily oxidized alu the probe has to hit
hard enough to cut/punch thru, leave a mark on the work.  And thats an
ideal way to locate the work since its going to normally be mounted on
an insulating spoil board anyway on a machine like a 6040. Might have 
to

step up the probing voltage so it will punch a hole in the oxide better
when its only a micron away. The only provision for edge finding is 
that

you have to know the probes rad, completely unk when its a wobbly piece
of 10 ga copper sticking out of a teflon holder, so I don't edge find
with that on the g0704, but for locating a hole, it can't be beat. The
disadvantage of coarse is the tool change.

A bridge to be located, identified and crossed, when encountered.

Thank you Marius.  Once again, the conversation has shown me other
potential ways to skin this cat.  From that, I make progress.




It's a pleasure and good luck when you do get around to do it. Not so 
difficult after all.


 -- Original Message ------
 From: "Gene Heskett" 
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Sent: 2019-01-02 13:46:51
 Subject: [Emc-users] mach3(winderz) vs LCNC bob useage diffs

 >Greetings all, PCW in particular;
 >
 >Trying to sort a basket of rattlesnakes here. This computer has be

Re: [Emc-users] mach3(winderz) vs LCNC bob useage diffs

[John Dammeyer]

With MACH3 you can assign any pin you want.  I have X on pins 2,3 just like
I have for my Electronic Lead Screw kit. Pin 10, I think,is the only one
that should be ESTOP because that's what most BoBs use.  The Linux CNC
machine I'm putting together also has X on 2,3 and the BeagleBone Black with
MachineKit also has X on pins 2,3.

So I'd rewire it.  And still waiting for pictures or did I miss an email?
John


> -Original Message-
> From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net]
> Sent: January-02-19 3:47 AM
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Emc-users] mach3(winderz) vs LCNC bob useage diffs
> 
> Greetings all, PCW in particular;
> 
> Trying to sort a basket of rattlesnakes here. This computer has been
> driving an HF micromill, thru the parport, using software stepping since
> the early 2000's, thru a variety of actual motherboards.
> 
> It seems that mach3 at least, uses pins on a std parport that somewhat
> resemble a game of 52 pickup. Scrambled would be the mixed audience
> description.
> 
> Whereas all the stuff I've ever used, this being a linux only site, has
> driven the x axis steppers from the db25 pins 2 and 3.
> 
> But  not mach3, where ack a doc I just found on cnczone:
> pin1=XStep
> Pin2=YEnable,
> Pin3=YDir
> Pin4=ZDir
> Pin5=ZStep
> Pin6=ZEnable
> Pin7=XDir
> pin8=YStep
> pin9=spindle on/off relay on most bobs. Dir and speed apparently not
> supported by mach3.  Shakes head in disbelief.
> pin10=input1
> pin11=input2
> pin12=input3
> pin13=input4
> pin14=XEnable
> pin15=not used in 3 axis setup, but I've a 4 axis machine.
> pin16=expand output1
> pin17=expand output2
> pins18-25 grounded
> 
> Funny part, from the keyboard Y works both dirs, Z works both dirs
> although I had to invert the scales in the .ini file. So I am not even
> 50% sure that is how THIS machine is wired.
> 
> PCW: Does the 5i25 have a firmware that can drive this mess?
> 
> Or am I doomed to rewire the electronics box that came with this beast to
> make it into a std machine? In which case I'll just go get the box I was
> driving the HF toy with, its already setup to drive 4 axis's. Thats
> sounding like a better option all the time, but it needs more volts,
> only 28 for the 2M542's in it. Needs 40+ volts to reach the speeds a
> 5i25 can drive it at. Uses the same  motor connector although I might
> have to make pins match in the cabling. IIRC that will be a matter of
> moving wires on the output terminal strip on that box. Since the 2m542's
> have been totally bulletproof, that might be the best idea. That leaves
> the spindle control to deal with.
> 
> Its bob is different from any I've seen before.
> 
> Even if I expand p3 usage with a 7i76?
> 
> Thanks everybody.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: [Emc-users] mach3(winderz) vs LCNC bob useage diffs

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 02 January 2019 11:07:23 Marius Liebenberg wrote:

[...]
> >Thank you Marius.  Once again, the conversation has shown me other
> >potential ways to skin this cat.  From that, I make progress.
> >
> >
> >
> >It's a pleasure and good luck when you do get around to do it. Not so
> >difficult after all.
> >
[...]

I did, and started on the A table.  Huge diff in the scale since its a 
belt drive as opposed to the sloppy, worm driven backlash in fractions 
of a degree and variable because the bull gear isn't concentric, bigger 
POS, but now that I have it moving, all I have to do is cut the wrong 
gender off the cables, strip and tin it and install a small Hilti tip on 
the tinned part, and wash, rinse and repeat the color order for the 
other 3 cables.  Then disconnect at the disconnects and take it about 6 
feet to ground the cable shielding.

Then determine the final scale & sign for them. With that in mind, I also 
bought a 12" digital caliper, and may see if I can measure the axis 
moved distance with one and of it clamped to the bed. Probably more 
accurate than screwing with the axis backlash and a 1" travel dial with 
a .001" scale. Really precise measurement stuff like interferometers are 
well above my pay grade so I don't have.

So I'll give that method a shot once all axises are moving.  Nother hour 
or so.

Thank you Marius.
 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] mach3(winderz) vs LCNC bob useage diffs

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 02 January 2019 11:59:37 John Dammeyer wrote:

> With MACH3 you can assign any pin you want.  I have X on pins 2,3 just
> like I have for my Electronic Lead Screw kit. Pin 10, I think,is the
> only one that should be ESTOP because that's what most BoBs use.  The
> Linux CNC machine I'm putting together also has X on 2,3 and the
> BeagleBone Black with MachineKit also has X on pins 2,3.
>
And all the LCNC stuff uses pin 1 for estop.

> So I'd rewire it.  And still waiting for pictures or did I miss an
> email? John

No, John, its ultra messy ATM so I haven't taken them yet. So keep 
nagging me. :)

> > -Original Message-
> > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net]
> > Sent: January-02-19 3:47 AM
> > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: [Emc-users] mach3(winderz) vs LCNC bob useage diffs
> >
> > Greetings all, PCW in particular;
> >
> > Trying to sort a basket of rattlesnakes here. This computer has been
> > driving an HF micromill, thru the parport, using software stepping
> > since the early 2000's, thru a variety of actual motherboards.
> >
> > It seems that mach3 at least, uses pins on a std parport that
> > somewhat resemble a game of 52 pickup. Scrambled would be the mixed
> > audience description.
> >
> > Whereas all the stuff I've ever used, this being a linux only site,
> > has driven the x axis steppers from the db25 pins 2 and 3.
> >
> > But  not mach3, where ack a doc I just found on cnczone:
> > pin1=XStep
> > Pin2=YEnable,
> > Pin3=YDir
> > Pin4=ZDir
> > Pin5=ZStep
> > Pin6=ZEnable
> > Pin7=XDir
> > pin8=YStep
> > pin9=spindle on/off relay on most bobs. Dir and speed apparently not
> > supported by mach3.  Shakes head in disbelief.
> > pin10=input1
> > pin11=input2
> > pin12=input3
> > pin13=input4
> > pin14=XEnable
> > pin15=not used in 3 axis setup, but I've a 4 axis machine.
> > pin16=expand output1
> > pin17=expand output2
> > pins18-25 grounded
> >
> > Funny part, from the keyboard Y works both dirs, Z works both dirs
> > although I had to invert the scales in the .ini file. So I am not
> > even 50% sure that is how THIS machine is wired.
> >
> > PCW: Does the 5i25 have a firmware that can drive this mess?
> >
> > Or am I doomed to rewire the electronics box that came with this
> > beast to make it into a std machine? In which case I'll just go get
> > the box I was driving the HF toy with, its already setup to drive 4
> > axis's. Thats sounding like a better option all the time, but it
> > needs more volts, only 28 for the 2M542's in it. Needs 40+ volts to
> > reach the speeds a 5i25 can drive it at. Uses the same  motor
> > connector although I might have to make pins match in the cabling.
> > IIRC that will be a matter of moving wires on the output terminal
> > strip on that box. Since the 2m542's have been totally bulletproof,
> > that might be the best idea. That leaves the spindle control to deal
> > with.
> >
> > Its bob is different from any I've seen before.
> >
> > Even if I expand p3 usage with a 7i76?
> >
> > Thanks everybody.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > --
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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Re: [Emc-users] mach3(winderz) vs LCNC bob useage diffs

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 02 January 2019 14:38:55 Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Wednesday 02 January 2019 11:07:23 Marius Liebenberg wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > >Thank you Marius.  Once again, the conversation has shown me other
> > >potential ways to skin this cat.  From that, I make progress.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >It's a pleasure and good luck when you do get around to do it. Not
> > > so difficult after all.
>
> [...]
>
> I did, and started on the A table.  Huge diff in the scale since its a
> belt drive as opposed to the sloppy, worm driven backlash in fractions
> of a degree and variable because the bull gear isn't concentric,
> bigger POS, but now that I have it moving, all I have to do is cut the
> wrong gender off the cables, strip and tin it and install a small
> Hilti tip on the tinned part, and wash, rinse and repeat the color
> order for the other 3 cables.  Then disconnect at the disconnects and
> take it about 6 feet to ground the cable shielding.
>
> Then determine the final scale & sign for them. With that in mind, I
> also bought a 12" digital caliper, and may see if I can measure the
> axis moved distance with one and of it clamped to the bed. Probably
> more accurate than screwing with the axis backlash and a 1" travel
> dial with a .001" scale. Really precise measurement stuff like
> interferometers are well above my pay grade so I don't have.
>
> So I'll give that method a shot once all axises are moving.  Nother
> hour or so.
>
Which turned to 3+.  All hooked up, y-a working, x-z not. Supposedly same 
wire config to all 4 motors. But 2 are stepping if driven slow enough, 
makeing 3 or 7 steps, then on the last microstep, drops back to were it 
started from.

What the heck is that a symptom of on a software stepper? It was working 
great a month ago on somewhat bigger motors.

I checked spindle ctrl outs, looks normal. reverse is on pin 15, pwm on 
16, but 17 is stuck high, tied to s-enable atm, but I seem to be missing 
the src for that net.  And all the step signals are upside down.  They 
should be narrow down pulses, I think... Found that in the docs and 
inverted it. Made the reset a couple hundred nano-secs longer.

I've not opened the box to see if any of the 2M542's are showing a fault.
Nothing for me in the mail today. 

> Thank you Marius.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


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Re: [Emc-users] mach3(winderz) vs LCNC bob useage diffs

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 02 January 2019 19:28:29 Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Wednesday 02 January 2019 14:38:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 02 January 2019 11:07:23 Marius Liebenberg wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > >Thank you Marius.  Once again, the conversation has shown me
> > > > other potential ways to skin this cat.  From that, I make
> > > > progress.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >It's a pleasure and good luck when you do get around to do it.
> > So I'll give that method a shot once all axises are moving.  Nother
> > hour or so.
>
> Which turned to 3+.  All hooked up, y-a working, x-z not. Supposedly
> same wire config to all 4 motors. But 2 are stepping if driven slow
> enough, makeing 3 or 7 steps, then on the last microstep, drops back
> to were it started from.

Dreaming on this, the next logical check is with power off, with an 
ohmmeter, to verify that from my driver box, coils aren't swapped by the 
wiring. A works, Y works, X doesn't and Z doesn't and those 2 are noisy 
as all get out. Inverting the drive signals has no effect. So obviously 
its the motor coils are being mix-n-matched between my drivers and the 
motors. An ohmmeter reading will tell that truth. These are the same 
identically constructed  cables the drove the old HF flawlessly but at 
the limited speeds caused by software stepping. Z did work, driven by 
the oem box. X has never worked. Thats trying to tell me the oem cables 
are not wired alike.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] mach3(winderz) vs LCNC bob useage diffs

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 03 January 2019 04:41:57 Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Wednesday 02 January 2019 19:28:29 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 02 January 2019 14:38:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 02 January 2019 11:07:23 Marius Liebenberg wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > >Thank you Marius.  Once again, the conversation has shown me
> > > > > other potential ways to skin this cat.  From that, I make
> > > > > progress.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >It's a pleasure and good luck when you do get around to do it.
> > >
> > > So I'll give that method a shot once all axises are moving. 
> > > Nother hour or so.
> >
> > Which turned to 3+.  All hooked up, y-a working, x-z not. Supposedly
> > same wire config to all 4 motors. But 2 are stepping if driven slow
> > enough, makeing 3 or 7 steps, then on the last microstep, drops back
> > to were it started from.
>
> Dreaming on this, the next logical check is with power off, with an
> ohmmeter, to verify that from my driver box, coils aren't swapped by
> the wiring. A works, Y works, X doesn't and Z doesn't and those 2 are
> noisy as all get out. Inverting the drive signals has no effect. So
> obviously its the motor coils are being mix-n-matched between my
> drivers and the motors. An ohmmeter reading will tell that truth.
> These are the same identically constructed  cables the drove the old
> HF flawlessly but at the limited speeds caused by software stepping. Z
> did work, driven by the oem box. X has never worked. Thats trying to
> tell me the oem cables are not wired alike.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

which was it, the plugs, gs16-4's for the motors are NOT factory wired 
alike. So I had to swap one end of each coil to the other channel of the 
driver. All that after I got new plastic in my glasses, so I'm back to 
seeing 20-20 or a wee bit better again.

Got it semi-calibrated, within a thou or so an inch, and started it 
running my code, but noted that the A motor was burning my hand in about 
10 minutes, just sitting there, so I need to pull the lid and actually 
get into the box and cut the current from the A/B/C driver to that motor 
to about 30% of what its getting. Not a MARK ON THESE MOTORS, SO I've 
not a clue what the ideal amps is. When driving the older 4" table, I 
had an 8 wire 435 motor on it, and the central bolt tightened to put a 
huge amount of drag, enough drag that the 435 motor had to have help in 
the form of about 90 psi injected under the table to flex the cast 
enough the motor could move it. I doubt if this motor, on this belt 
driven chuck/table, is over 120 oz/in.  A 23, core about 1.25" long. The 
435 motor was an 8 wire, wired in parallel as a 4 wire and I was feeding 
it the full 4.2 amps a 2M542 could deliver.  Didn't bother that big 
motor, but is seriously cooking this little one.

Anyway, I feel good. Real progress. If collets and 4mm tools arrive, I'll 
have this panel carved the next day, twice even, the second one will be 
for this machine.

I've not rigged a digital dro up to cal it with yet, will rig something 
using a shars one channel dro I bought for the Sheldon's tailstock, but 
didn't buy a round tuit at the same time. My bad...
 
This Shars dro has a good 8" of travel, which ought to get me close 
enough for the girls I go with.

That extruded bed isn't flat, didn't expect it to be, but also didn't 
expect it would remind me with a big block of steel trying to stay put 
while I played with a mag base on my 1" dial.

Cleaned it off a bit, John D., so I'll try to get some pix tomorrow.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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[John Dammeyer]

Looking forward to it.
John
> 
> Cleaned it off a bit, John D., so I'll try to get some pix tomorrow.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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