Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[andy pugh]

On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 19:55, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
> And it wants to do it on both machines I've updated today.

Does your INI have #include statements in it?
It appears that those puzzle the update_ini script

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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[andy pugh]

On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 at 02:50, jrmitchellj  wrote:
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> also the F9 & F10 keys no longer start & stop the spindle on my mill.

I pushed a fix

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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[andy pugh]

On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 at 02:50, jrmitchellj  wrote:
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> I am seeing the same problems a Gene,

Can you email me your ini file?

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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 21 October 2018 00:15:31 jrmitchellj wrote:

> Yeah,  I thought my keyboard had picked up some chips, except other
> stuff in the linux environment responded to those keys correctly.

That's quite a problem, and I recently stumbled over a pile of logitech 
k-360's which have square sided keys, which don't jam as easily, and 
bought the pile. Acer also has a maskless keyboard which doesn't jam a 
key down very often, but it has so many "media keys" along the edges 
that there is no place to grab it and pick it up to take it closer to 
the machine while doing the setup. Pressing one of those keys, which may 
do all sorts of odd things is unavoidable. So I keep it for emergency 
use only. Its also about an inch taller, and 4 or 5 inches longer than 
the k-360. The k-360 is a bit smaller than most $20 keyboards.
>
> The quick reference  sheet under the help menu shows all the shortcut
> keys.

yes, very busy. Looking something up there is for training I guess, but 
looking up the shortcut can't be called a shortcut. :)  You've got to 
commit them to muscle memory before hand. Unforch, I've reached that 
age, 84, where the short term memory darned near isn't.

> I have not checked out all of the shortcut keys, so there my be others
> that are not working correctly.
>
> --J. Ray Mitchell Jr.
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> > FWIW, I fixed my problem with the script repeating by manually
> > editing the axis version number in the .ini file to read as 1.1.  No
> > clue why Andy's script didn't do that but in that machines case it
> > didn't.

Take care.

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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[jrmitchellj]

Yeah,  I thought my keyboard had picked up some chips, except other stuff
in the linux environment responded to those keys correctly.

The quick reference  sheet under the help menu shows all the shortcut keys.

I have not checked out all of the shortcut keys, so there my be others that
are not working correctly.

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On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 7:33 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Saturday 20 October 2018 21:49:38 jrmitchellj wrote:
>
> > I am seeing the same problems a Gene, and also the F9 & F10 keys no
> > longer start & stop the spindle on my mill.  I can start it by
> > clicking the icon on the GUI.
>
> F9 and F10 can start/stop the spindle? Never knew that. I'd assume the
> Snumber had been previously set? I'll be, fired up the pi and tried it
> on the sheldon, which has all motor power tied to the motion enable (F2)
> button, and its the same as the fwd/rev/stop icons. I'm set up for a
> default speed of 100 revs with the drive belt in the slowest grooves,
> but if I want faster I have to click on the + icon. No spindle pid in
> that setup, the encoder is basically the feed reference only, to make a
> G33.1 and G76 work.
>
> I just found that F9 toggles between fwd and stop, F10 is rev/stop and
> the F12 is increment up and F11 is increment down.  Handier than the
> mouse since my mouse has only a wee bit of space to play in. Keeps
> either bumping its nose or backing into the 1/4" high fence that keeps
> most stuff from jiggling off the keyboard table.
>
> > I updated again today.  No change.
> >
> > --J. Ray Mitchell Jr.
> > jrmitche...@gmail.com
> >
> Thank you, J.Ray Mitchel Jr.  I learned something new tonight.
> >
> FWIW, I fixed my problem with the script repeating by manually editing
> the axis version number in the .ini file to read as 1.1.  No clue why
> Andy's script didn't do that but in that machines case it didn't.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 20 October 2018 21:49:38 jrmitchellj wrote:

> I am seeing the same problems a Gene, and also the F9 & F10 keys no
> longer start & stop the spindle on my mill.  I can start it by
> clicking the icon on the GUI.

F9 and F10 can start/stop the spindle? Never knew that. I'd assume the 
Snumber had been previously set? I'll be, fired up the pi and tried it 
on the sheldon, which has all motor power tied to the motion enable (F2) 
button, and its the same as the fwd/rev/stop icons. I'm set up for a 
default speed of 100 revs with the drive belt in the slowest grooves, 
but if I want faster I have to click on the + icon. No spindle pid in 
that setup, the encoder is basically the feed reference only, to make a 
G33.1 and G76 work.

I just found that F9 toggles between fwd and stop, F10 is rev/stop and 
the F12 is increment up and F11 is increment down.  Handier than the 
mouse since my mouse has only a wee bit of space to play in. Keeps 
either bumping its nose or backing into the 1/4" high fence that keeps 
most stuff from jiggling off the keyboard table.

> I updated again today.  No change.
>
> --J. Ray Mitchell Jr.
> jrmitche...@gmail.com
>
Thank you, J.Ray Mitchel Jr.  I learned something new tonight.
>
FWIW, I fixed my problem with the script repeating by manually editing 
the axis version number in the .ini file to read as 1.1.  No clue why 
Andy's script didn't do that but in that machines case it didn't.

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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[jrmitchellj]

I am seeing the same problems a Gene, and also the F9 & F10 keys no longer
start & stop the spindle on my mill.  I can start it by clicking the icon
on the GUI.
I updated again today.  No change.

--J. Ray Mitchell Jr.
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On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 4:51 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Monday 08 October 2018 17:38:08 andy pugh wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 22:41, Rene Hopf via Emc-users
> >
> >  wrote:
> > > the spindle-at-speed pin is affected.
> > > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/504
> > > 
> >
> > Fixed, I think
>
> We should be able to pull this tomorrow then?
>
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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 08 October 2018 17:38:08 andy pugh wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 22:41, Rene Hopf via Emc-users
>
>  wrote:
> > the spindle-at-speed pin is affected.
> > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/504
> > 
>
> Fixed, I think

We should be able to pull this tomorrow then?

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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[andy pugh]

On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 22:41, Rene Hopf via Emc-users
 wrote:

> the spindle-at-speed pin is affected. 
> https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/504 
> 

Fixed, I think

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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

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> On 7. Oct 2018, at 22:56, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> 
> On Sunday 07 October 2018 15:07:45 Rene Hopf via Emc-users wrote:
> 
>> thats related to multi spindle, the conversion script seems to be
>> incomplete. the message about joint-axis is confusing, it just
>> converts the spindle names. rename the pins to
>> halui.spindle.0.whatever
>> if you depend on spindle-at-speed, dont update, as that is currently
>> broken...
> 
> If its derived from a wcomp, reading a spindle encoder it should be okay? 
> I didn't check that for g33.1 or g76 functions on either machine, too 
> hot to muck around much in the shed with TLM. I have an led on that 
> signal on TLM, and it did seem to be working.
> 
> Or is this actually internal to motion?

the spindle-at-speed pin is affected. 
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/504 

> 
>> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man1/halui.1.html#PINS
>> 
>>> On 7. Oct 2018, at 20:53, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And it wants to do it on both machines I've updated today.
>>> 
>>> Checking the file, it was new yesterday.
>>> 
>>> Is it safe? Joints merger has been done once, and I had to do a fair
>>> bit of sorting to recover.
>>> 
>>> Doesn't look as if its safe:
>>> 
>>> gene@lathe:~/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2$ linuxcnc  -l
>>> LINUXCNC - 2.8.0-pre1-3898-g6c5404a
>>> Machine configuration directory
>>> is '/home/gene/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2'
>>> Machine configuration file is 'my_LinuxCNC_machine2.ini'
>>> Starting LinuxCNC...
>>> .
>>> Found file(REL): ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal
>>> ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal:452: Pin 'halui.spindle.forward' does not
>>> exist
>>> Shutting down and cleaning up LinuxCNC...
>>> Running HAL shutdown script
>>> LinuxCNC terminated with an error.  You can find more information in
>>> the log:
>>>   /home/gene/linuxcnc_debug.txt
>>> and
>>>   /home/gene/linuxcnc_print.txt
>>> as well as in the output of the shell command 'dmesg' and in the
>>> terminal
>>> 
>>> Just one comment, that pin does exist in both the old and new
>>> versions of my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal.
>>> 
>>> So something has renamed, or deleted that pin. And  likely other
>>> associated pins since halui.spindle.reverse is next in that list.
>>> 
>>> Fixes?
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 07 October 2018 15:07:45 Rene Hopf via Emc-users wrote:

> thats related to multi spindle, the conversion script seems to be
> incomplete. the message about joint-axis is confusing, it just
> converts the spindle names. rename the pins to
> halui.spindle.0.whatever
> if you depend on spindle-at-speed, dont update, as that is currently
> broken...

If its derived from a wcomp, reading a spindle encoder it should be okay? 
I didn't check that for g33.1 or g76 functions on either machine, too 
hot to muck around much in the shed with TLM. I have an led on that 
signal on TLM, and it did seem to be working.

Or is this actually internal to motion?

> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man1/halui.1.html#PINS
>
> > On 7. Oct 2018, at 20:53, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >
> > And it wants to do it on both machines I've updated today.
> >
> > Checking the file, it was new yesterday.
> >
> > Is it safe? Joints merger has been done once, and I had to do a fair
> > bit of sorting to recover.
> >
> > Doesn't look as if its safe:
> >
> > gene@lathe:~/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2$ linuxcnc  -l
> > LINUXCNC - 2.8.0-pre1-3898-g6c5404a
> > Machine configuration directory
> > is '/home/gene/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2'
> > Machine configuration file is 'my_LinuxCNC_machine2.ini'
> > Starting LinuxCNC...
> > .
> > Found file(REL): ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal
> > ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal:452: Pin 'halui.spindle.forward' does not
> > exist
> > Shutting down and cleaning up LinuxCNC...
> > Running HAL shutdown script
> > LinuxCNC terminated with an error.  You can find more information in
> > the log:
> >/home/gene/linuxcnc_debug.txt
> > and
> >/home/gene/linuxcnc_print.txt
> > as well as in the output of the shell command 'dmesg' and in the
> > terminal
> >
> > Just one comment, that pin does exist in both the old and new
> > versions of my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal.
> >
> > So something has renamed, or deleted that pin. And  likely other
> > associated pins since halui.spindle.reverse is next in that list.
> >
> > Fixes?

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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 07 October 2018 15:06:28 andy pugh wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 19:55, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > And it wants to do it on both machines I've updated today.
>
> Let it run, it should update the INI / HAL from 1.0 to 1.1 which
> handles changes to spindle pin names.


I did, still had to add the .0. to the halui-spindle stuffs. Tach on TLM 
works, doesn't on the G0704. Probably need to fix that signal path, but 
not sure how, lots of spindle related stuff in the halmeter doesn't work 
on both machines. But at least both will run again. Since the tach is 
related to the spindle, it should reference by the same .0. mechanism. 
Which may be why the tach on the g0704 isn't working, but if that were 
true, why is the tach on TLM still working?

Works wonders, _IF_ the motor power is turned ON. :)

So I'll go hide in the corner while the glue is setting for the power 
brushes on the laser extension.

My power slaving on the sheldon is spoiling me. If F2 is released, all 
motor power on the Sheldon is turned off, including the VFD. I should 
rig something similar on the other 3 machines, but they don't have the 
extensive i/o choices the Sheldon has with its 7i90HD as 2&3 of the 
other 3 are running on 5i25's & the first one is still bit banging a 
parport.  One the job training I think they call that.

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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[Rene Hopf via Emc-users]

I just added all the halui spindle pins to the update ini script. it pull and 
run the script again.

> On 7. Oct 2018, at 21:07, Rene Hopf via Emc-users 
>  wrote:
> 
> thats related to multi spindle, the conversion script seems to be incomplete.
> the message about joint-axis is confusing, it just converts the spindle names.
> rename the pins to halui.spindle.0.whatever
> if you depend on spindle-at-speed, dont update, as that is currently broken...
> 
> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man1/halui.1.html#PINS
> 
>> On 7. Oct 2018, at 20:53, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>> 
>> And it wants to do it on both machines I've updated today.
>> 
>> Checking the file, it was new yesterday.
>> 
>> Is it safe? Joints merger has been done once, and I had to do a fair bit 
>> of sorting to recover.
>> 
>> Doesn't look as if its safe:
>> 
>> gene@lathe:~/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2$ linuxcnc  -l
>> LINUXCNC - 2.8.0-pre1-3898-g6c5404a
>> Machine configuration directory 
>> is '/home/gene/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2'
>> Machine configuration file is 'my_LinuxCNC_machine2.ini'
>> Starting LinuxCNC...
>> .
>> Found file(REL): ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal
>> ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal:452: Pin 'halui.spindle.forward' does not 
>> exist
>> Shutting down and cleaning up LinuxCNC...
>> Running HAL shutdown script
>> LinuxCNC terminated with an error.  You can find more information in the 
>> log:
>>   /home/gene/linuxcnc_debug.txt
>> and
>>   /home/gene/linuxcnc_print.txt
>> as well as in the output of the shell command 'dmesg' and in the terminal
>> 
>> Just one comment, that pin does exist in both the old and new versions of 
>> my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal.
>> 
>> So something has renamed, or deleted that pin. And  likely other 
>> associated pins since halui.spindle.reverse is next in that list.
>> 
>> Fix?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>> --
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>> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[Rene Hopf via Emc-users]

thats related to multi spindle, the conversion script seems to be incomplete.
the message about joint-axis is confusing, it just converts the spindle names.
rename the pins to halui.spindle.0.whatever
if you depend on spindle-at-speed, dont update, as that is currently broken...

http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man1/halui.1.html#PINS

> On 7. Oct 2018, at 20:53, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> 
> And it wants to do it on both machines I've updated today.
> 
> Checking the file, it was new yesterday.
> 
> Is it safe? Joints merger has been done once, and I had to do a fair bit 
> of sorting to recover.
> 
> Doesn't look as if its safe:
> 
> gene@lathe:~/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2$ linuxcnc  -l
> LINUXCNC - 2.8.0-pre1-3898-g6c5404a
> Machine configuration directory 
> is '/home/gene/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2'
> Machine configuration file is 'my_LinuxCNC_machine2.ini'
> Starting LinuxCNC...
> .
> Found file(REL): ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal
> ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal:452: Pin 'halui.spindle.forward' does not 
> exist
> Shutting down and cleaning up LinuxCNC...
> Running HAL shutdown script
> LinuxCNC terminated with an error.  You can find more information in the 
> log:
>/home/gene/linuxcnc_debug.txt
> and
>/home/gene/linuxcnc_print.txt
> as well as in the output of the shell command 'dmesg' and in the terminal
> 
> Just one comment, that pin does exist in both the old and new versions of 
> my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal.
> 
> So something has renamed, or deleted that pin. And  likely other 
> associated pins since halui.spindle.reverse is next in that list.
> 
> Fix?
> 
> -- 
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Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[andy pugh]

On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 19:55, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> And it wants to do it on both machines I've updated today.

Let it run, it should update the INI / HAL from 1.0 to 1.1 which
handles changes to spindle pin names.

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[Emc-users] new linuxcnc today, wants to rerun update_ini again

[Gene Heskett]

And it wants to do it on both machines I've updated today.

Checking the file, it was new yesterday.

Is it safe? Joints merger has been done once, and I had to do a fair bit 
of sorting to recover.

Doesn't look as if its safe:

gene@lathe:~/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2$ linuxcnc  -l
LINUXCNC - 2.8.0-pre1-3898-g6c5404a
Machine configuration directory 
is '/home/gene/linuxcnc/configs/my_LinuxCNC_machine2'
Machine configuration file is 'my_LinuxCNC_machine2.ini'
Starting LinuxCNC...
.
Found file(REL): ./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal
./my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal:452: Pin 'halui.spindle.forward' does not 
exist
Shutting down and cleaning up LinuxCNC...
Running HAL shutdown script
LinuxCNC terminated with an error.  You can find more information in the 
log:
/home/gene/linuxcnc_debug.txt
and
/home/gene/linuxcnc_print.txt
as well as in the output of the shell command 'dmesg' and in the terminal

Just one comment, that pin does exist in both the old and new versions of 
my_LinuxCNC_machine2.hal.

So something has renamed, or deleted that pin. And  likely other 
associated pins since halui.spindle.reverse is next in that list.

Fix?

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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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