Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-03 Thread John Thornton
yea, I was typing faster than thinking... wow that is slow...

John

On 3 Dec 2008 at 4:00, acondit wrote:

> John Thornton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > 
> > First you have to "load" an or2 in your hal file with:
> > 
> > loadrt or2
> > 
> > You need to connect the two inputs to your physical inputs with
> net. Lets say
> you used pin 
> > 10 and 11 of the parallel port to bring your signals in... then
> connect the
> pins to the or2 in's 
> > like so:
> > 
> > net estop1 or2.0.in0 <== parport.0.pin-10-in
> > net estop2 or2.0.in0 <== parport.0.pin-11-in
> > 
> > This has not been tested but AFAIK it is correct...
> > 
> 
> 
> Shouldn't the or-connection be like this:
> net estop1 or2.0.in0 <== parport.0.pin-10-in
> net estop2 or2.0.in1 <== parport.0.pin-11-in
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Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-03 Thread John Thornton
Hi Les

If your selling machines you have to be super extra careful and try and make 
them idiot 
resistant. 

John

On 3 Dec 2008 at 9:25, Leslie Newell wrote:

> Hi Len,
> 
> Sorry if I came on a bit strong there but I do a lot of repairs on
> CNC 
> machines. I have seen what happens when things go wrong and it isn't
> pretty. If you are selling these machines I would still be carefule
> with 
> the EStops just in case.
> 
> Apart from that rant, this is an interesting thread and I'll keep it
> in 
> case I ever need to wire two inputs together.
> 
> Les
> 
> 
> Len Shelton wrote:
> > Yeah - I get that. But these machines are tiny little desktop
> routers. We
> > don't even use limits, because they will quietly crash and stall
> the motors
> > without damaging anything.
> >
> > I am not a newbie, I just don't know how to join two pins to a
> single signal
> > in hal. ;)
> >
> > Lets say my external button needs to be connected to the axis
> interface
> > pause button, then. 
> >
> > Thanks,
> >   
> >> Len
> >> 
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> >
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Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-03 Thread Leslie Newell
Hi Len,

Sorry if I came on a bit strong there but I do a lot of repairs on CNC 
machines. I have seen what happens when things go wrong and it isn't 
pretty. If you are selling these machines I would still be carefule with 
the EStops just in case.

Apart from that rant, this is an interesting thread and I'll keep it in 
case I ever need to wire two inputs together.

Les


Len Shelton wrote:
> Yeah - I get that. But these machines are tiny little desktop routers. We
> don't even use limits, because they will quietly crash and stall the motors
> without damaging anything.
>
> I am not a newbie, I just don't know how to join two pins to a single signal
> in hal. ;)
>
> Lets say my external button needs to be connected to the axis interface
> pause button, then. 
>
> Thanks,
>   
>> Len
>> 
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Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-02 Thread acondit
John Thornton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 
> First you have to "load" an or2 in your hal file with:
> 
>   loadrt or2
> 
> You need to connect the two inputs to your physical inputs with net. Lets say
you used pin 
> 10 and 11 of the parallel port to bring your signals in... then connect the
pins to the or2 in's 
> like so:
> 
>   net estop1 or2.0.in0 <== parport.0.pin-10-in
>   net estop2 or2.0.in0 <== parport.0.pin-11-in
> 
> This has not been tested but AFAIK it is correct...
> 


Shouldn't the or-connection be like this:
net estop1 or2.0.in0 <== parport.0.pin-10-in
net estop2 or2.0.in1 <== parport.0.pin-11-in

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Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-02 Thread Len Shelton
Thanks John and others. Very helpful.

>Len



-Original Message-
From: John Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:20 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller EEMC"
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

there are lots of good examples on the wiki site this is one

http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant

Bringing up the word e stop always gets the "ESTOP Police" :) to respond.

in this case you need an or2 like in the other example I sent...

John

On 2 Dec 2008 at 17:23, Len Shelton wrote:

> Sorry - let me rephrase the question...
> 
> Forget about the fact that it's an e-stop. I want to be able to use
> switches
> on a pendent to perform the same functions as some of the axis
> screen
> buttons. 
> 
> I just happened to start with the e-stop signal, but I will be using
> others.
> I tried to point it to iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in and it complained
> that that
> was already assigned.
> 
> >Len
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Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-02 Thread John Thornton
there are lots of good examples on the wiki site this is one

http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant

Bringing up the word e stop always gets the "ESTOP Police" :) to respond.

in this case you need an or2 like in the other example I sent...

John

On 2 Dec 2008 at 17:23, Len Shelton wrote:

> Sorry - let me rephrase the question...
> 
> Forget about the fact that it's an e-stop. I want to be able to use
> switches
> on a pendent to perform the same functions as some of the axis
> screen
> buttons. 
> 
> I just happened to start with the e-stop signal, but I will be using
> others.
> I tried to point it to iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in and it complained
> that that
> was already assigned.
> 
> >Len
> 


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Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-02 Thread John Thornton
The standard way is to wire the switches in series using the n/c contact. So I 
assume you 
have some valid reason for wanting to do it with two inputs... like your 
machine is so huge 
you need to know which switch is in the stop condition. 

What you need is to "or" the inputs using the or2 component if you use the N/O 
contacts.

First you have to "load" an or2 in your hal file with:

loadrt or2

Now when you look in your Show HAL Configuration screen under Pins you will see 
an or2 
has been loaded.

You will then see that your or2 has two inputs and one output.

First you "connect the or2 out to the line where the single e-stop was 
connected (if you used 
stepconf wizard) it will be:

net estop-ext <= parport.0.pin-10-in
change to 
net estop-ext <= or2.0.out

You need to connect the two inputs to your physical inputs with net. Lets say 
you used pin 
10 and 11 of the parallel port to bring your signals in... then connect the 
pins to the or2 in's 
like so:

net estop1 or2.0.in0 <== parport.0.pin-10-in
net estop2 or2.0.in0 <== parport.0.pin-11-in

This has not been tested but AFAIK it is correct...

The other option which would be better is to use is the  and2 component and the 
N/C 
contacts. It will be similar to the above... this should get you started and 
now I have to write 
an example for the manual...

John



On 2 Dec 2008 at 17:01, Jack Coats wrote:

> e-stop would be manual switches. Not limit switches.
> 
> Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > for the plus and minus limits?
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Len Shelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >   
> >> How do I configure hal to handle two e-stop switches on two
> different pins?
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Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-02 Thread Len Shelton
>> Never rely on a computer for EStop or limits. 

Yeah - I get that. But these machines are tiny little desktop routers. We
don't even use limits, because they will quietly crash and stall the motors
without damaging anything.

I am not a newbie, I just don't know how to join two pins to a single signal
in hal. ;)

Lets say my external button needs to be connected to the axis interface
pause button, then. 

Thanks,
>Len


 



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Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-02 Thread Leslie Newell
Hi Len,


Never rely on a computer for EStop or limits. Your EStop and limit 
switches should all be part of a chain of switches that directly kill 
the supply. The computer should obviously be notified that an EStop has 
occurred but it should not be able to prevent an EStop. In the case of 
limits you need some way of overriding them, preferably by a pushbutton 
switch rather than under software control.

This is a basic safety requirement and should not be ignored. Computers 
and software are simply not reliable enough for safety critical 
functions like this. If something goes wrong with the computer or EMC 
crashes and causes a runaway you want to be able to stop it.

Les


Len Shelton wrote:
> How do I configure hal to handle two e-stop switches on two different pins?
>
>  
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-02 Thread Emory Smith
Oops, sorry. Your last email came in as I was responding.
Emory

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 17:41, Emory Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for bringing this up.
> EMC has provisions for soft limits set in the ini file, hard limit
> switches (some of mine also
> serve as Home switches) and E(mergency)-Stop switches.
>
> My E-stop switches (big Allen-Bradley N.O. buttons with guards) are
> tied to the estop input
> pin and a relay to kill power to the motors. They are for emergency only.
>
> I'm no EMC or CNC guru but this works for me.
>
> Emory
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 17:01, Jack Coats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> e-stop would be manual switches. Not limit switches.
>>
>> Stuart Stevenson wrote:
>>> for the plus and minus limits?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Len Shelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 How do I configure hal to handle two e-stop switches on two different pins?



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Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-02 Thread Emory Smith
Thanks for bringing this up.
EMC has provisions for soft limits set in the ini file, hard limit
switches (some of mine also
serve as Home switches) and E(mergency)-Stop switches.

My E-stop switches (big Allen-Bradley N.O. buttons with guards) are
tied to the estop input
pin and a relay to kill power to the motors. They are for emergency only.

I'm no EMC or CNC guru but this works for me.

Emory

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 17:01, Jack Coats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> e-stop would be manual switches. Not limit switches.
>
> Stuart Stevenson wrote:
>> for the plus and minus limits?
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Len Shelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> How do I configure hal to handle two e-stop switches on two different pins?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
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Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-02 Thread Len Shelton
Sorry - let me rephrase the question...

Forget about the fact that it's an e-stop. I want to be able to use switches
on a pendent to perform the same functions as some of the axis screen
buttons. 

I just happened to start with the e-stop signal, but I will be using others.
I tried to point it to iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in and it complained that that
was already assigned.

>Len



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Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:02 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

e-stop would be manual switches. Not limit switches.

Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> for the plus and minus limits?
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Len Shelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> How do I configure hal to handle two e-stop switches on two different
pins?
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Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-02 Thread Jack Coats
e-stop would be manual switches. Not limit switches.

Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> for the plus and minus limits?
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Len Shelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> How do I configure hal to handle two e-stop switches on two different pins?
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-02 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Len Shelton wrote:

>How do I configure hal to handle two e-stop switches on two different pins?
>  
>
If you're looking for two inputs to stop EMC2, you can easily do that 
with an "or" component (or "and" if you're using negative logic).

A better way to do it is to use an input as active low, and wire the two 
switches in series.  This will allow you to physically disable the 
machine from one connection as well.  This is the most common practice, 
to wire all things that can cause an e-stop in series (the e-stop 
chain), and feed that to the machine disabling hardware (which then 
optionally informs EMC2 that the machine is off and it can stop now :) ).

- Steve


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Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-02 Thread Stuart Stevenson
for the plus and minus limits?

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Re: [Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-02 Thread Emory Smith
Why do you need them on different pins?
You could wire two NO switches in parallel or two NC switches in series.
Each set would be handled by a single pin.

Emory

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[Emc-users] two e-stop switches

2008-12-02 Thread Len Shelton
How do I configure hal to handle two e-stop switches on two different pins?

 

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>Len

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