Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering
The FDA never approved use of Thalidomide in the US. Practically all US cases of birth defects from it were from mothers who were in Europe when it was in widespread use. It's been re-approved in some places but only for use after the first trimester. I've also read some theory that rather than causing the undeveloped limbs it prevented natural miscarriages of deformed fetuses. I seem to recall some information indicating that Thalidomide inhibited development of whatever was developing at the time it was taken, and the absence of limbs was due to the fact that it was limbs developing at the time it was taken. If taken earlier or later the effects would have been different. I also seem to recall hearing that Thalidomide was one of the few treatments for leprosy which is a problem in some areas, and in those areas it is provided in packages with all manner of birth defect warnings and pictures and instructions not to take if pregnant, yet people still take it when pregnant with the expected results. -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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That's what I do, in fact I let the air run through for an hour or so to really drive out moisture. Remember to put some RV antifreeze in the tanks and toilet bowl as it helps to protect the seals on the valves from becoming brittle and failing. --Original Mail-- From: Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:34:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering On 12/1/2014 10:33 PM, Dave Cole wrote: RV Antifreeze must be somewhat different as I haven't seen it breakdown at all. Even after years sitting in a coolant tank. Perhaps they stabilize it somehow? The stuff comes that flushes out of the RV water system (in my trailer) just makes the water taste nasty until it is well flushed but it beats frozen pipes. Easier to connect an air hose to the drain valve on the RV's water heater then open each faucet in turn, starting with closest to the heater. Don't forget to also have someone hold down the foot pedal on the loo. Finish by opening all faucets and step on the loo pedal. Always seems to get a bit more water out. Dump some antifreeze in the sink traps, just to keep any holding tank smells out. No water in the system to freeze and no need to flush the antifreeze out in the spring. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 12/2/2014 9:36 AM, p...@wpnet.us wrote: That's what I do, in fact I let the air run through for an hour or so to really drive out moisture. Remember to put some RV antifreeze in the tanks and toilet bowl as it helps to protect the seals on the valves from becoming brittle and failing. --Original Mail-- From: Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:34:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering On 12/1/2014 10:33 PM, Dave Cole wrote: RV Antifreeze must be somewhat different as I haven't seen it breakdown at all. Even after years sitting in a coolant tank. Perhaps they stabilize it somehow? The stuff comes that flushes out of the RV water system (in my trailer) just makes the water taste nasty until it is well flushed but it beats frozen pipes. Easier to connect an air hose to the drain valve on the RV's water heater then open each faucet in turn, starting with closest to the heater. Don't forget to also have someone hold down the foot pedal on the loo. Finish by opening all faucets and step on the loo pedal. Always seems to get a bit more water out. Dump some antifreeze in the sink traps, just to keep any holding tank smells out. No water in the system to freeze and no need to flush the antifreeze out in the spring. Just blowing it out with air doesn't always work. All you need is water to collect in a low spot in the line and it's all over. I blow it out with air, drain the tanks, and then push antifreeze throughout the system and put some antifreeze in the traps and into the tanks. 4 gallons and $10-$13 for my 40ft trailer.Very cheap insurance. Replacing cracked and nearly inaccessible fittings sucks and that has to be done after the water damage. :-( Been there, done that, have the T shirt. ;-) On that note, this morning, the marina where I keep my 40 ft trailer called me today and said that the recent winds (60+ mph) blew the trailer off the blocks! (that were under the tires). It's a tri-axle 5th wheel trailer that weighs about 11,000 lbs empty (and it's not!). Crazy... A few years ago it blew so hard that some trailers were blown into the canals a few hundred feet away, but my trailer did not budge... Apparently this year it was my turn. Dave --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering
Mine only has a fine screen in the tray under the band saw. JT On 11/28/2014 7:28 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2014-11-28 14:55 GMT+02:00 John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com: On 11/28/2014 6:48 AM, andy pugh wrote: http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathe-Accessories/Coolant-Accessories#16-Litre-Coolant-System-090-080-00090 That's the exact same pump and tank that I have on my band saw... different color and label. Andy, thank you for the link! I was thinking about getting a kit like that, because overall cost of my experiments might exceed pricetag of such device. The problem was that I couldn't find any. John, what is your opinion about it? Do I need to add some filters on return hose? Viesturs -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 1 December 2014 at 02:05, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: it is safe to drink in small quantities (seriously). Not _that_ safe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_diethylene_glycol_wine_scandal -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Not the same chemical. He said propylene glycol, which is used for frost proofing drinking water systems and is relatively innocuous. Diethylene and ethylene glycol are poisonous. - Original Message - From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 7:49:32 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering On 1 December 2014 at 02:05, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: it is safe to drink in small quantities (seriously). Not _that_ safe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_diethylene_glycol_wine_scandal -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 2014-12-01 14:49, andy pugh wrote: On 1 December 2014 at 02:05, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: it is safe to drink in small quantities (seriously). Not _that_ safe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_diethylene_glycol_wine_scandal Ok so now I know why they say a good bottle of sweet wine will keep you warmed up on a cold winters night. Its the anti-freeze :) -- Regards /Groete Marius D. Liebenberg +27 82 698 3251 +27 12 743 6064 QQ 1767394877 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 1 December 2014 at 14:21, ToddZuercher zuerc...@embarqmail.com wrote: Not the same chemical. He said propylene glycol, which is used for frost proofing drinking water systems and is relatively innocuous. Ah, yes, sorry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol#Safety_in_Humans It sounds safer than unadulterated wine, in fact. Wikipedia led me to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elixir_sulfanilamide which is interesting, and does rather suggest that your FDA is necessary. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 12/01/2014 04:49 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 1 December 2014 at 02:05, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: it is safe to drink in small quantities (seriously). Not _that_ safe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_diethylene_glycol_wine_scandal Case in point; in 1937 di-ethylene-glycol was used as a carrier for sulfanilamide in an elixir containing 10% sulfanilamide, 72% glycol and the balance water and flavor. That formulation resulted in 76 deaths and over a 100 made ill by the formulation. Google - ethylene glycol gives toxicity and LD50. Dave -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering
On 12/01/2014 06:21 AM, Todd Zuercher wrote: Not the same chemical. He said propylene glycol, which is used for frost proofing drinking water systems and is relatively innocuous. Diethylene and ethylene glycol are poisonous. I do believe di-ethylene-glycol and ethylene glycol are the same thing. It is toxic because of the metabolic products whereas propylene glycol degrades to relatively non-toxic substances. D - Original Message - From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 7:49:32 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering On 1 December 2014 at 02:05, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: it is safe to drink in small quantities (seriously). Not _that_ safe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_diethylene_glycol_wine_scandal -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 12/01/2014 10:04 AM, andy pugh wrote: Wikipedia led me to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elixir_sulfanilamide which is interesting, and does rather suggest that your FDA is necessary. The FDA now does little to ensure product safety, but they do add millions to the cost of drug development. They refer to the large pharmaceutical companies as our customers in internal documents. They're essentially a big government bureaucracy that has formed a symbiotic relationship with large pharmaceutical companies. The FDA bureaucracy benefits as their government jobs are justified, and Big Pharma benefits by having a barrier to entry for smaller competitors that are unable to run the expensive and convoluted FDA regulatory maze. In the above example, the large pharmaceutical company Massengill paid a very small fine for negligently marketing their sulfanilamide product that killed a hundred people (many of them were children). The small fine was levied because the product was marketed as an elixir but contained no alcohol. Apparently, there was no fine for including a toxic substance that killed people. But things got better after the FDA, and the FDA approved products were safe. Right? The list of unsafe drugs approved by the FDA would fill an encyclopedia. Here is but one gruesome example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide#Birth_defects_crisis In the US, you're likely to see a vaguely worded televised ad during the evening news, urging you to ask your doctor if Xycomax may be right for you. The FDA prohibits drug companies from marketing directly to consumers, but Big Pharma spends BILLIONS every year on direct-to-consumer ads, but they need to be properly vague, with an entire industry of lawyers and marketing agents to facilitate these ads. Two weeks later, you'll see a televised ad, after midnight, with some sleazy lawyer. Have you taken Xycomax and had kidney failure, hair loss, or depression? Call us and we can get you a big check! For all of the justifiable complaining about ambulance chasing lawyers and their rip-off class action lawsuits where the victims get pennies and the lawyers get millions, these weasel lawyers do more to ensure the safety of drugs marketed in the US than the FDA. On 12/01/2014 11:28 AM, dave wrote: I do believe di-ethylene-glycol and ethylene glycol are the same thing. Nope. Ethylene glycol - C_2 H_6 O_2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol Diethylene glycol - C_4 H_10 O_3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethylene_glycol Back On Topic: A few of the hobby and small business entrepreneur machinists on YouTube (Grimsmo Knives, Tactical Keychains, WarMachine) are posting videos of improvements they've made to their coolant systems. Typically, the coolant drains through one or two settling tanks where the big chips are removed. There is often a coarse filter, sometimes a fine screen, and sometimes a disposable 5 gallon bucket paint strainer. Next in line is a high pressure pump, often a Little Giant pond pump. After the pump is a whole house water filter (search Amazon.com for examples) to catch the fine chips that pass through the pump, to prevent the tiny chips in the flood coolant from being re-cut and reducing the life of carbide tooling. a 20 micron filter provides good filtration for this purpose without too much pressure drop. Apparently, Qualichem synthetic coolants are well regarded. http://www.qualichem.com/metalworking-fluids -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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It probably wouldn't be too hard to create something like this: http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/coolant-filter-machine-tools-industrial-14589-3775093.jpg When the float floats, then the switch advances the mesh conveyor and moves a clean section of filter into place. On the ones I have seen the used filter mat and chips end up in a bin, so this is probably best as a second-stage filter after a settling tank. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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our machine uses cloth filter bags on the return. McMaster sells them in the U.S. Don't see the bowl we have on the McMaster site, I thought they sold one like it. It's really a strainer basket On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:09 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: It probably wouldn't be too hard to create something like this: http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/coolant-filter-machine-tools-industrial-14589-3775093.jpg When the float floats, then the switch advances the mesh conveyor and moves a clean section of filter into place. On the ones I have seen the used filter mat and chips end up in a bin, so this is probably best as a second-stage filter after a settling tank. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 12/01/2014 12:34 PM, Eric Keller wrote: our machine uses cloth filter bags on the return. McMaster sells them in the U.S. Don't see the bowl we have on the McMaster site, I thought they sold one like it. It's really a strainer basket On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:09 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: It probably wouldn't be too hard to create something like this: http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/coolant-filter-machine-tools-industrial-14589-3775093.jpg When the float floats, then the switch advances the mesh conveyor and moves a clean section of filter into place. On the ones I have seen the used filter mat and chips end up in a bin, so this is probably best as a second-stage filter after a settling tank. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users the best filtration we ever found was time it'll settle out we tried centrifuges and sand filters, ceramic disc and micron paper filter time worked best its just slow next best was slowly turn a corner as fluid changes direction, particles drop out of the flow we used many concentric LOW pools ( 20mm to 30 mm ) each overflowing into next, flow rate incredible slow this is just big, lotsa floor space and then there's always cow magnets http://www.westpointfarmvets.co.uk/cowmagnets/ goto agri-store and buy a bag put in take near outflow clean 'em off once in a while regards TomP tjtr33 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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2014-12-01 21:41 GMT+02:00 TJoseph Powderly tjt...@gmail.com: and then there's always cow magnets http://www.westpointfarmvets.co.uk/cowmagnets/ goto agri-store and buy a bag put in take near outflow clean 'em off once in a while But that works only for ferrous-based materials - steel etc. Viesturs -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Propylene Glycol is anhydrous (naturally without water), absorbs water even from the air. It holds more heat in a 50-50 mixture with water, but if you are trying to keep all rust out, you want it in anhydrous (without water) from. -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 12/01/2014 11:55 AM, Bruce Layne wrote: But things got better after the FDA, and the FDA approved products were safe. Right? The list of unsafe drugs approved by the FDA would fill an encyclopedia. Here is but one gruesome example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide#Birth_defects_crisis The FDA never approved use of Thalidomide in the US. Practically all US cases of birth defects from it were from mothers who were in Europe when it was in widespread use. Jon -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 12/1/2014 8:51 PM, Jack Coats wrote: Propylene Glycol is anhydrous (naturally without water), absorbs water even from the air. It holds more heat in a 50-50 mixture with water, but if you are trying to keep all rust out, you want it in anhydrous (without water) from. -- Didn't know that. It is interesting stuff. Apparently it is also a food additive which seems very strange. It seems somewhat slippery but it doesn't seem to be a problem with my bandsaw drive wheel as the blade doesn't seem to slip on the steel wheel. Dave --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 12/2/2014 12:07 AM, Jack Coats wrote: Yea, Propylene Glycol also is poisonous to dogs and cats (and probably people if you drink it straight). It evidently tastes sweet, but more than a tiny bit can be fatal. So keep your coolant tub covered and clean up spills before your shop animal does it for you. Yes, it is a food additive, it evidently absorbs extra water in food, cosmetics and medicines. It just isn't on the condiment shelf in my wife's kitchen! It is also put on tobacco, and used in 'smokeless cigarettes', food wrappers, and other things. It is considered an 'environmentally safe' coolant for cars, because it breaks down in sunlight to innocuous stuff. In open air it breaks down in 24-50 hours or so half life (think of it as if left out in the open, every 2 days have of it dissipates, and of what is left, each 2 days half of what is left dissipates into the environment), or in a week if in a water/dirt environment. If it breaks down in water, it can remove some of the dissolved oxygen (leading to fish kills and the such). (I got most of my info from USDA web site and wikipedia. I also have used it on a log building to help preserve it (since it absorbs water keeping down fungus that grows on wood that instigates wood rot, I also dissolved borax in it as a fungicide too. Together they are pretty effective.). -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users RV Antifreeze must be somewhat different as I haven't seen it breakdown at all. Even after years sitting in a coolant tank. Perhaps they stabilize it somehow? The stuff comes that flushes out of the RV water system (in my trailer) just makes the water taste nasty until it is well flushed but it beats frozen pipes. Dave --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 12/1/2014 8:13 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 12/01/2014 11:55 AM, Bruce Layne wrote: But things got better after the FDA, and the FDA approved products were safe. Right? The list of unsafe drugs approved by the FDA would fill an encyclopedia. Here is but one gruesome example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide#Birth_defects_crisis The FDA never approved use of Thalidomide in the US. Practically all US cases of birth defects from it were from mothers who were in Europe when it was in widespread use. It's been re-approved in some places but only for use after the first trimester. I've also read some theory that rather than causing the undeveloped limbs it prevented natural miscarriages of deformed fetuses. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 12/1/2014 10:33 PM, Dave Cole wrote: RV Antifreeze must be somewhat different as I haven't seen it breakdown at all. Even after years sitting in a coolant tank. Perhaps they stabilize it somehow? The stuff comes that flushes out of the RV water system (in my trailer) just makes the water taste nasty until it is well flushed but it beats frozen pipes. Easier to connect an air hose to the drain valve on the RV's water heater then open each faucet in turn, starting with closest to the heater. Don't forget to also have someone hold down the foot pedal on the loo. Finish by opening all faucets and step on the loo pedal. Always seems to get a bit more water out. Dump some antifreeze in the sink traps, just to keep any holding tank smells out. No water in the system to freeze and no need to flush the antifreeze out in the spring. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering
On 11/28/2014 1:08 PM, TJoseph Powderly wrote: On 11/28/2014 11:31 AM, Jon Elson wrote: On 11/28/2014 04:41 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: Now it seems that windshield washing fluid pump is not happy about running more than 20 minutes nonstop - it is overheating. Can anyone suggest some cheap alternatives? AFAIK some use fish tank pumps, but something that would be able to handle 7 m long tube will cost more than 50 eur, so I am willing to do some experiments. I use a Little Giant condensate return pump. It is designed to collect condensed moisture from air conditioners and condensing furnaces and pump it up to a drain. I bought the pump decades ago on eBay. I just have the bare pump unit, in my own sump, not the complete boxed-up system with float switch and etc. See http://www.ebay.com/itm/LITTLE-GIANT-CP1-115-Pump-Coolant-Plastic-/381014562435?pt=BI_Pumpshash=item58b63cd683 for something that looks a bit like the one I use. The motor just sits above the fluid and is driven by a vertical shaft. This has no seals and is not hermetically sealed, so really easy to clean the pump section. Jon -- I'm not sure what you are using for coolant, but I have been using RV/Caravan/Boat antifreeze (pink propylene glycol) for years now in my 7x12 bandsaw coolant tank. The stuff does not seem to evaporate much at all, it doesn't freeze (where the saw is located is unheated), and it has corrosion inhibitors so the saw doesn't rust and it doesn't go bad or get stinky and it is safe to drink in small quantities (seriously). I have never changed it.Some dribbles away while cutting and I just keep refilling the tank. I use it at full strength and it is around $2.50 per gallon in the US when it is on sale. Dave --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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There seems to be a lot of effort to filter the cutting fluid. My machines run up to 10 hours a day and I only use my settling tank. No Filters. I change the cutting fluid every 6-8 months or so and wash out the settling tank and start again. I have found some filters cause the cutting fluid to aerate and then foam which was a real headache. -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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2014-11-28 12:28 GMT+02:00 Marshland Engineering marshl...@marshland.co.nz: There seems to be a lot of effort to filter the cutting fluid. My machines run up to 10 hours a day and I only use my settling tank. No Filters. I change the cutting fluid every 6-8 months or so and wash out the settling tank and start again. Small screen to catch big stuff and a bucket as a settling tank seems to be working fine, thanks for the tips to everyone. Now it seems that windshield washing fluid pump is not happy about running more than 20 minutes nonstop - it is overheating. Can anyone suggest some cheap alternatives? AFAIK some use fish tank pumps, but something that would be able to handle 7 m long tube will cost more than 50 eur, so I am willing to do some experiments. Viesturs -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering
On 28 November 2014 at 10:41, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone suggest some cheap alternatives? AFAIK some use fish tank pumps, but something that would be able to handle 7 m long tube will cost more than 50 eur, so I am willing to do some experiments. At 3x the price of the fish-tank pump you can have an actual coolant system: http://www.rdgtools.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh01.pl?WD=coolantPN=VERTEX-COOLANT-PUMP-SET---24O-VOLTS---1647%2ehtml#SID=314 http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathe-Accessories/Coolant-Accessories#16-Litre-Coolant-System-090-080-00090 -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 11/28/2014 6:48 AM, andy pugh wrote: http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathe-Accessories/Coolant-Accessories#16-Litre-Coolant-System-090-080-00090 That's the exact same pump and tank that I have on my band saw... different color and label. JT -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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2014-11-28 14:55 GMT+02:00 John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com: On 11/28/2014 6:48 AM, andy pugh wrote: http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathe-Accessories/Coolant-Accessories#16-Litre-Coolant-System-090-080-00090 That's the exact same pump and tank that I have on my band saw... different color and label. Andy, thank you for the link! I was thinking about getting a kit like that, because overall cost of my experiments might exceed pricetag of such device. The problem was that I couldn't find any. John, what is your opinion about it? Do I need to add some filters on return hose? Viesturs -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering
Be careful with filters, especially on return lines. If a filter on the pressure side starts to clog you just loose coolant flow which doesn't hurt the pump, but if it's in a return line you may find coolant overflowing from your machine. --Original Mail-- From: Viesturs LÄcis viesturs.la...@gmail.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:28:33 +0200 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering 2014-11-28 14:55 GMT+02:00 John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com: On 11/28/2014 6:48 AM, andy pugh wrote: http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathe-Accessories/Coolant-Accessories#16-Litre-Coolant-System-090-080-00090 That's the exact same pump and tank that I have on my band saw... different color and label. Andy, thank you for the link! I was thinking about getting a kit like that, because overall cost of my experiments might exceed pricetag of such device. The problem was that I couldn't find any. John, what is your opinion about it? Do I need to add some filters on return hose? Viesturs -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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2014-11-28 15:42 GMT+02:00 p...@wpnet.us: Be careful with filters, especially on return lines. If a filter on the pressure side starts to clog you just loose coolant flow which doesn't hurt the pump, but if it's in a return line you may find coolant overflowing from your machine. Yeah, I already had this lesson earlier this morning :) Viesturs -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering
On 11/28/2014 04:41 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: Now it seems that windshield washing fluid pump is not happy about running more than 20 minutes nonstop - it is overheating. Can anyone suggest some cheap alternatives? AFAIK some use fish tank pumps, but something that would be able to handle 7 m long tube will cost more than 50 eur, so I am willing to do some experiments. I use a Little Giant condensate return pump. It is designed to collect condensed moisture from air conditioners and condensing furnaces and pump it up to a drain. I bought the pump decades ago on eBay. I just have the bare pump unit, in my own sump, not the complete boxed-up system with float switch and etc. See http://www.ebay.com/itm/LITTLE-GIANT-CP1-115-Pump-Coolant-Plastic-/381014562435?pt=BI_Pumpshash=item58b63cd683 for something that looks a bit like the one I use. The motor just sits above the fluid and is driven by a vertical shaft. This has no seals and is not hermetically sealed, so really easy to clean the pump section. Jon -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering
On 11/28/2014 11:31 AM, Jon Elson wrote: On 11/28/2014 04:41 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: Now it seems that windshield washing fluid pump is not happy about running more than 20 minutes nonstop - it is overheating. Can anyone suggest some cheap alternatives? AFAIK some use fish tank pumps, but something that would be able to handle 7 m long tube will cost more than 50 eur, so I am willing to do some experiments. I use a Little Giant condensate return pump. It is designed to collect condensed moisture from air conditioners and condensing furnaces and pump it up to a drain. I bought the pump decades ago on eBay. I just have the bare pump unit, in my own sump, not the complete boxed-up system with float switch and etc. See http://www.ebay.com/itm/LITTLE-GIANT-CP1-115-Pump-Coolant-Plastic-/381014562435?pt=BI_Pumpshash=item58b63cd683 for something that looks a bit like the one I use. The motor just sits above the fluid and is driven by a vertical shaft. This has no seals and is not hermetically sealed, so really easy to clean the pump section. Jon -- Little giants can be rebuilt cuz you can get all the parts and they have diff models impervious to diff fluids good resource to know abolut I use 'em as aux flush devices in EDM so parafinics are fine too tomp tjtr33 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering
The typical $100-200 coolant units have a screen in the return inlet to the tank to catch big chips, and a baffle in the tank so the smaller chips in the coolant that pass through the return screen will settle to the bottom of the tank in that chamber while the coolant will flow over the top of the baffle into the chamber with the pump. The pumps themselves are ones that can handle fine chips without issues. If you need to really filter the coolant to prevent clogging small coolant nozzles or the loc-line check valves a normal whole house 9 filter unit with the basic 5 micron sediment filters will do the job as long as you have a bacteriacide in the coolant, otherwise they tend to clog quickly with bacteria growth. --Original Mail-- From: Viesturs LÄcis viesturs.la...@gmail.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 18:40:31 +0200 Subject: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering Hello! I decided to set up coolant on my router to make it easier to work with aluminium. For coolant pump I used windshield washer pump from unknown car (probably BMW), just had it laying around. The thing is that I would like to filter off small chips, before the coolant flows in the tank and goes through the pump again. Currently the filtering is done through a piece of cloth, but this approach sucks. mostly because of insufficient throughput. I wanted to ask, how do other people usually solve this question and remove small chips from coolant? Or maybe should I use a pump that does not really much care about small chips in the fluid? Viesturs -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Two items that have worked great. 1) Paint straining bag - sold to be put in a 5 gal (18-20L) bucket then the paint is poured in to about 80% capacity then the bag is lifted out taking any paint skin or clumps with it. We made a large holder - much like a oversized coffee filter basket to allow max usable surface area. We use this when draining the coolant tanks for scheduled maintenance. 2) Tee-shirt silk screen material - comes on a large roll - cut huge squares of this and lay it over the coarse top screen in the coolant tanks - catches all but the most fine silt. However on some jobs they may require cleaning once per shift. We added an overflow drain that allows coolant that has built up over 2above the filter to return directly to the main tank. Normally any build up drains completely while parts art being changed between cycles. This is in a Huge Mori Seiki SV-50B with dual high capacity pumps. YMMV -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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I use a large plastic box and I have 3 settling compartments in there. So the coolant fills the first then spills into the next and the next each time dropping more swarf. A trick is to drill holes in the tank separators near the top but below the liquid, that way nothing floats over the top. It is a 50 l box. Cheers Wallace -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering
On 11/27/2014 10:40 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: Hello! I decided to set up coolant on my router to make it easier to work with aluminium. For coolant pump I used windshield washer pump from unknown car (probably BMW), just had it laying around. The thing is that I would like to filter off small chips, before the coolant flows in the tank and goes through the pump again. Currently the filtering is done through a piece of cloth, but this approach sucks. mostly because of insufficient throughput. I wanted to ask, how do other people usually solve this question and remove small chips from coolant? Or maybe should I use a pump that does not really much care about small chips in the fluid? I have a piece of PVC drain pipe fitted loosely into a reducing fitting. I have a disc of Plexiglas with a bunch of drilled holes that fits below the pipe, resting on top of the angled part of the fitting. I lay several pieces of Handi-Wipe on top of the Plexi. This works great to stop chips from getting into the sump. When the flow is fast, the coolant backs up a bit in the pipe. If you cut into some wood as a fixture under the workpiece, it clogs the filter right away! Jon -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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2014-11-27 22:43 GMT+02:00 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com: I have a piece of PVC drain pipe fitted loosely into a reducing fitting. I have a disc of Plexiglas with a bunch of drilled holes that fits below the pipe, resting on top of the angled part of the fitting. I lay several pieces of Handi-Wipe on top of the Plexi. This works great to stop chips from getting into the sump. When the flow is fast, the coolant backs up a bit in the pipe. If you cut into some wood as a fixture under the workpiece, it clogs the filter right away! Thanks for the tip! Can you tell, what is approximate diameter of the holes and what is Handi-Wipe? Some kind of paper towel? Viesturs -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 11/27/2014 9:40 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: Hello! I decided to set up coolant on my router to make it easier to work with aluminium. For coolant pump I used windshield washer pump from unknown car (probably BMW), just had it laying around. The thing is that I would like to filter off small chips, before the coolant flows in the tank and goes through the pump again. Currently the filtering is done through a piece of cloth, but this approach sucks. mostly because of insufficient throughput. First run it though a piece of window screen. If you have that at an angle and run the fluid through at the top edge, the chips will wash to the bottom, leaving the screen clear. A second layer of a finer screen will catch most of what gets through the first. For the final cloth layer use two rows of metal rods spaced apart to weave the cloth through. Make it like the pleated paper in a car's air filter. More surface area = higher flow. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering
On 11/27/2014 02:49 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2014-11-27 22:43 GMT+02:00 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com: I have a piece of PVC drain pipe fitted loosely into a reducing fitting. I have a disc of Plexiglas with a bunch of drilled holes that fits below the pipe, resting on top of the angled part of the fitting. I lay several pieces of Handi-Wipe on top of the Plexi. This works great to stop chips from getting into the sump. When the flow is fast, the coolant backs up a bit in the pipe. If you cut into some wood as a fixture under the workpiece, it clogs the filter right away! Thanks for the tip! Can you tell, what is approximate diameter of the holes and what is Handi-Wipe? Some kind of paper towel? Handi-Wipe is a paper towel with strands of some plastic fiber that makes it retain strength when wet. It is used for wiping up difficult messes and scrubbing things, where a normal paper towel would disintegrate. The holes are maybe 5 mm diameter, and just enough Plexi left between the holes so it doesn't shatter when you drill them. Jon -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Coolant filtering
On 11/27/2014 09:04 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Handi-Wipe is a paper towel with strands of some plastic fiber that makes it retain strength when wet. Actually, I think maybe that these Handi-Wipes are NOT paper, but some kind of a non-tree based fiber stuff. I'm guessing something like it is available in all countries, but the material is not real critical. it is sort of an open material that is very wettable, and so was pretty ideal as a filter. here's one of the first things that popped up on Google : http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=330836catid=184276aid=338666aparam=330836kpid=330836CAWELAID=12014299088025CAGPSPN=plakpid=330836 Jon -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
