Re: infographic rev 0

[Jeff F. T.]

Beyond the execution, details and visual polish, what do you folks
think of the concept in general?

And the contents?

FWIW, there are also alternative ways to represent a timeline generally
(with a circle, spiral, serpent, or some other object metaphor). Open
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Re: infographic rev 0

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 11:12 AM Jeff F. T.  wrote:

> Beyond the execution, details and visual polish, what do you folks think
> of the concept in general?
>
> And the contents?
>
> FWIW, there are also alternative ways to represent a timeline generally
> (with a circle, spiral, serpent, or some other object metaphor). Open to
> any ideas.
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>

I need to add the documentation team work in addition to feature
development.  Who else is doing things during feature development?  There
are some gaps, and we should try to fix that.

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Re: infographic rev 0

[Allan Day]

Jeff F. T.  wrote:

> Beyond the execution, details and visual polish, what do you folks think
> of the concept in general?
>
> And the contents?
>
> FWIW, there are also alternative ways to represent a timeline generally
> (with a circle, spiral, serpent, or some other object metaphor). Open to
> any ideas.
>

The content seems like the most interesting thing at this stage - the
visuals and layout can be changed later. With that in mind, who is this
for? (And how will they find it?)

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Re: infographic rev 0

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016, 3:29 AM Allan Day  wrote:

> Jeff F. T.  wrote:
>
>> Beyond the execution, details and visual polish, what do you folks think
>> of the concept in general?
>>
>> And the contents?
>>
>> FWIW, there are also alternative ways to represent a timeline generally
>> (with a circle, spiral, serpent, or some other object metaphor). Open to
>> any ideas.
>>
>
> The content seems like the most interesting thing at this stage - the
> visuals and layout can be changed later. With that in mind, who is this
> for? (And how will they find it?)
>

I think this is really part of on boarding, when deciding what team does in
the big picture.  It's hard to participate in the engagement team or
documentation team without really knowing what it does in the overall
picture.  So the infographic gives a visual clarity to absorb what we do
quickly.

One of the feedback I believe I heard from Nuritzi is that a lot of people
had some trouble understanding what the engagement team does, as there was
no context.

sri

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Re: infographic rev 0

[Allan Day]

Sriram Ramkrishna  wrote:
...
>> The content seems like the most interesting thing at this stage - the
>> visuals and layout can be changed later. With that in mind, who is this for?
>> (And how will they find it?)
>
> I think this is really part of on boarding, when deciding what team does in
> the big picture.  It's hard to participate in the engagement team or
> documentation team without really knowing what it does in the overall
> picture.  So the infographic gives a visual clarity to absorb what we do
> quickly.
>
> One of the feedback I believe I heard from Nuritzi is that a lot of people
> had some trouble understanding what the engagement team does, as there was
> no context.

I get that the infographic is intended for new contributors. The
question was which contributors: are we talking about new engagement
team recruits, or any new contributor? This will affect the kind of
information we include.

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Re: infographic rev 0

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:51 AM Allan Day  wrote:

>
> I get that the infographic is intended for new contributors. The
> question was which contributors: are we talking about new engagement
> team recruits, or any new contributor? This will affect the kind of
> information we include.
>
>
Ah, well for now I think we can focus on engagement team, and then expand
the scope going forward.  What do you think?

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Re: infographic rev 0

[Allan Day]

Sriram Ramkrishna  wrote:
>
> I get that the infographic is intended for new contributors. The
>> question was which contributors: are we talking about new engagement
>> team recruits, or any new contributor? This will affect the kind of
>> information we include.
>>
>>
> Ah, well for now I think we can focus on engagement team, and then expand
> the scope going forward.  What do you think?
>

That's totally acceptable as a direction. The reason I asked is that your
original draft looks rather engineering-focused. The release cycle is
interesting to engagement contributors, but I'm not sure the specifics of
the release schedule are the main pieces of information they need.

It might be a good exercise to review what we think the most critical
pieces of information are for new engagement contributors who are
completely new to GNOME and Free Software. Things that come to my mind are:

 * We produce two releases a year, March to September and September to
March.
 * GNOME doesn't have its own product: distros ship our code.
 * Different companies and volunteers work on the project.
 * Diverse teams and activities are involved in producing our releases -
documentation, translations, accessibility, design, QA, etc
 * The main activities that the Engagement Team does, and the times
throughout the year that they happen.

I've had a rough go at sketching out an infographic that communicates some
of this information. Some things are missing, and some parts are quite
rough:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5031519/gnome-year-infographic.png

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Re: infographic rev 0

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:33 AM Allan Day  wrote:

> Sriram Ramkrishna  wrote:
>>
>> I get that the infographic is intended for new contributors. The
>>> question was which contributors: are we talking about new engagement
>>> team recruits, or any new contributor? This will affect the kind of
>>> information we include.
>>>
>>>
>> Ah, well for now I think we can focus on engagement team, and then expand
>> the scope going forward.  What do you think?
>>
>
> That's totally acceptable as a direction. The reason I asked is that your
> original draft looks rather engineering-focused. The release cycle is
> interesting to engagement contributors, but I'm not sure the specifics of
> the release schedule are the main pieces of information they need.
>
> Yes, I was just looking at the teams and then trying to map it to our
release cycle.  So, yes it was engineering focused from the point that I
wanted to contributors to know how every team fits into the release.


> It might be a good exercise to review what we think the most critical
> pieces of information are for new engagement contributors who are
> completely new to GNOME and Free Software. Things that come to my mind are:
>

Yes!


>
>  * We produce two releases a year, March to September and September to
> March.
>  * GNOME doesn't have its own product: distros ship our code.
>  * Different companies and volunteers work on the project.
>  * Diverse teams and activities are involved in producing our releases -
> documentation, translations, accessibility, design, QA, etc
>  * The main activities that the Engagement Team does, and the times
> throughout the year that they happen.
>

It would be nice to also add the critical conferences that we attend like
FOSDEM.  I'm not sure how to describe our social media activities, but
likely we will need another infographic.


> I've had a rough go at sketching out an infographic that communicates some
> of this information. Some things are missing, and some parts are quite
> rough:
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5031519/gnome-year-infographic.png
>
>
This is excellent actually, way way better than anything I would have come
up with!  Thank you!  I would like to see the months stand out just a tad
more.  There was a little bit of confusion on which direction I should be
reading since I didn't initially interpret the solid circle as a
terminator.  But otherwise, it is pretty good.

sri

Allan
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Re: infographic rev 0

[Allan Day]

Sriram Ramkrishna  wrote:
>
> That's totally acceptable as a direction. The reason I asked is that your
>> original draft looks rather engineering-focused. The release cycle is
>> interesting to engagement contributors, but I'm not sure the specifics of
>> the release schedule are the main pieces of information they need.
>>
>> Yes, I was just looking at the teams and then trying to map it to our
> release cycle.  So, yes it was engineering focused from the point that I
> wanted to contributors to know how every team fits into the release.
>

To be clear - I do think that a nice graphic of the release schedule would
be useful, but it might be better to target that at coding contributors.



> It might be a good exercise to review what we think the most critical
>> pieces of information are for new engagement contributors who are
>> completely new to GNOME and Free Software. Things that come to my mind are:
>>
>
> Yes!
>
>
>>
>>  * We produce two releases a year, March to September and September to
>> March.
>>  * GNOME doesn't have its own product: distros ship our code.
>>  * Different companies and volunteers work on the project.
>>  * Diverse teams and activities are involved in producing our releases -
>> documentation, translations, accessibility, design, QA, etc
>>  * The main activities that the Engagement Team does, and the times
>> throughout the year that they happen.
>>
>
> It would be nice to also add the critical conferences that we attend like
> FOSDEM.  I'm not sure how to describe our social media activities, but
> likely we will need another infographic.
>

I added FOSDEM. I think that the key missing thing now is a visualisation
of the main areas and tasks that the Engagement Team works in. That
probably needs more expressive visuals...


> I've had a rough go at sketching out an infographic that communicates some
>> of this information. Some things are missing, and some parts are quite
>> rough:
>>
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5031519/gnome-year-infographic.png
>>
>>
> This is excellent actually, way way better than anything I would have come
> up with!  Thank you!  I would like to see the months stand out just a tad
> more.  There was a little bit of confusion on which direction I should be
> reading since I didn't initially interpret the solid circle as a
> terminator.  But otherwise, it is pretty good.
>

I'm no visual designer, so this is really just a concept. I'd be happy to
share the source with anyone who wants to hack on it.

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Re: infographic rev 0

[Oliver Propst]

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Allan Day  wrote:

> To be clear - I do think that a nice graphic of the release schedule would
> be useful, but it might be better to target that at coding contributors.
>

Yeah would be great to have booth resources available.


>
>
>> It might be a good exercise to review what we think the most critical
>>> pieces of information are for new engagement contributors who are
>>> completely new to GNOME and Free Software.
>>>
>> Yes!
>>
>
+1


> I've had a rough go at sketching out an infographic that communicates some
>> of this information. Some things are missing, and some parts are quite
>> rough:
>>
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5031519/gnome-year-infographic.png
>>
>
Nice done! its a (very) good start. Would be interesting to know what the
requirements are/or how far from being publish ready. you considerer it to
be. Do personally think some work could be done on the font for example.

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Re: infographic rev 0

[Allan Day]

Oliver Propst  wrote:
...

> I've had a rough go at sketching out an infographic that communicates some
>>> of this information. Some things are missing, and some parts are quite
>>> rough:
>>>
>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5031519/gnome-year-infographic.png
>>>
>>
> Nice done! its a (very) good start. Would be interesting to know what the
> requirements are/or how far from being publish ready. you considerer it to
> be. Do personally think some work could be done on the font for example.
>

I think that there's more that needs adding to it. I also think that the
graphics need updating by an actual visual designer. :)

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Re: infographic rev 0

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 4:20 AM Allan Day  wrote:

> I think that there's more that needs adding to it. I also think that the
> graphics need updating by an actual visual designer. :)
>
>
I think we should probably try to see if we can attract one who can polish
it up to the point that it looks really good.  There are probably other
infographics that we can work on as well...

I don't want to see it die on the vine.. so we should try to do something
actionable.  Maybe Nuritzi and the others in SF could help recruit someone
at their monthly GNOME meeting this coming Saturday?

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Re: infographic rev 0

[Jeff F. T.]

Le lundi 08 février 2016 à 18:33 +, Allan Day a écrit :
[…]
> I've had a rough go at sketching out an infographic that communicates
> some of this information. Some things are missing, and some parts are
> quite rough: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5031519/gnome-year-i
> nfographic.png
Sorry folks, in the flurry of things here, and with my mail filters
hiding this thread from my view, I forgot about this til today.
I have to say wow, Allan, that version of yours looks really good.
Other than the bottom part (specifically the "}", the arrows and the
background of some of the distributors' logos), I'm not sure what else
you could consider in need of work there. Do you have specific items
that bug you?
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Re: infographic rev 0

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:08 AM Jeff F. T.  wrote:

> Le lundi 08 février 2016 à 18:33 +, Allan Day a écrit :
>
> […]
>
> I've had a rough go at sketching out an infographic that communicates some
> of this information. Some things are missing, and some parts are quite
> rough:
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5031519/gnome-year-infographic.png
>
>
>
> Sorry folks, in the flurry of things here, and with my mail filters hiding
> this thread from my view, I forgot about this til today.
>
> I have to say wow, Allan, that version of yours looks really good. Other
> than the bottom part (specifically the "}", the arrows and the background
> of some of the distributors' logos), I'm not sure what else you could
> consider in need of work there. Do you have specific items that bug you?
>
> Otherwise I think we could roll with that and call it a day…
>

I'm inclined to do the same, but we can put a note saying that we are
looking for people to improve it.  We can also file a bug under engagement
as a feature request.. what do people think?

sri


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Re: infographic rev 0

[Allan Day]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 7:30 PM Sriram Ramkrishna  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:08 AM Jeff F. T.  wrote:
>
>> I have to say wow, Allan, that version of yours looks really good. Other
>> than the bottom part (specifically the "}", the arrows and the background
>> of some of the distributors' logos), I'm not sure what else you could
>> consider in need of work there. Do you have specific items that bug you?
>>
>
What bugs me...? It's generally pretty rough visually. It's missing some
key information, like which activities the engagement team does. Some
things were just thrown together to see if it worked (like the logos).

I'm going to keep saying this: I'm not a visual designer! :)

Otherwise I think we could roll with that and call it a day…
>>
>
> I'm inclined to do the same, but we can put a note saying that we are
> looking for people to improve it.  We can also file a bug under engagement
> as a feature request.. what do people think?
>

I'd be a little embarrassed to have it out there in its current form, to be
honest. It would be great if we could ask a visual or graphic designer to
have a look.

Also: about publishing, I assume that this would just go on
https://wiki.gnome.org/Engagement/GettingInvolved ?

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Re: infographic rev 0

[Adelia Abdul Rahim]

Hi Allan!

The concept of the release cycle infographic is really really good. For someone 
like me, who is very new to GNOME and very minimally technically-versed, just 
by glancing at the graphic already gives me a clear idea what happens within a 
release cycle vis-a-vis the timeline and the relative magnitude of the 
different work involved. It is a good starting point and I can imagine it will 
make it a lot easier for me to put the bits and pieces I pick up along the way, 
in the right places!

Also, I did suggest putting in a visual timeline of some sort in the FY2015 
annual report for readers to see GNOME’s year in a glance; by adding details 
specific to 2015 like the dates of the conferences/events/hackfests, the cities 
where they took place and also the release numbers, I can totally see that “A 
Year in GNOME” incorporated into this annual report!

Best,
Adelia


> On 18 Feb 2016, at 1:20 PM, Allan Day  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 7:30 PM Sriram Ramkrishna  > wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:08 AM Jeff F. T.  > wrote:
> I have to say wow, Allan, that version of yours looks really good. Other than 
> the bottom part (specifically the "}", the arrows and the background of some 
> of the distributors' logos), I'm not sure what else you could consider in 
> need of work there. Do you have specific items that bug you?
> 
> What bugs me...? It's generally pretty rough visually. It's missing some key 
> information, like which activities the engagement team does. Some things were 
> just thrown together to see if it worked (like the logos).
>  
> I'm going to keep saying this: I'm not a visual designer! :)
> 
> Otherwise I think we could roll with that and call it a day…
> 
> I'm inclined to do the same, but we can put a note saying that we are looking 
> for people to improve it.  We can also file a bug under engagement as a 
> feature request.. what do people think?
> 
> I'd be a little embarrassed to have it out there in its current form, to be 
> honest. It would be great if we could ask a visual or graphic designer to 
> have a look.
> 
> Also: about publishing, I assume that this would just go on 
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Engagement/GettingInvolved 
>  ?
> 
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Re: infographic rev 0

[Jeff F. T.]

Le jeudi 18 février 2016 à 21:20 +, Allan Day a écrit :
> 
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:08 AM Jeff F. T. 
> > wrote:
> > > I have to say wow, Allan, that version of yours looks really
> > > good. Other than the bottom part (specifically the "}", the
> > > arrows and the background of some of the distributors' logos),
> > > I'm not sure what else you could consider in need of work there.
> > > Do you have specific items that bug you?
> What bugs me...? It's generally pretty rough visually. It's missing
> some key information, like which activities the engagement team does.
> Some things were just thrown together to see if it worked (like the
> logos).
>  
> I'm going to keep saying this: I'm not a visual designer! :)
[...]
> I'd be a little embarrassed to have it out there in its current form,
> to be honest. It would be great if we could ask a visual or graphic
> designer to have a look.
Better to have something to start from than nothing at all... the
Dropbox link you gave is dead now. Could you please upload the source
file to the gnome-marketing git repository? I created a "infographics-
and-dataviz" subfolder for this purpose. This would make it available
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