Re: [E-devel] [e-users] poll fyi

[Chris Michael]

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Subject: Re: [E-devel] [e-users] poll fyi

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:08:26 -0400 Zoffix Znet  said:

> 
> On Tue, 2012-07-31 at 02:02 +0200, Steven Le Roux wrote:
> > has voted !
> 
> Ditto :D
> 
> > 
> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:35 AM, P Purkayastha  wrote:
> > 
> > > On 07/31/2012 06:30 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > > > http://gopollgo.com/what-linux-desktop-do-you-use-currently
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Where are all the enlightened users? :(
> 
> I think the stats are good enough, if you consider there's a large
> number of voters who simply use their OS's default desktop and don't
> know any better. I just won't believe Unity is the most popular
> desktop :) Its stats mostly reflect usage of Ubuntu that has Unity by
> default.
> 
> Anyway, just wanted to say: keep up the amazing work, developers! I love
> e17, it's like a software than can read my mind and does exactly what I
> want :D :D :D
> 
> Thanks!

> you want a beer. right?

Guinness please :P

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: acidx IN trunk/devs: . mello

[The Rasterman]

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:33:34 +0900 Daniel Juyung Seo 
said:

> Congratulations Mello!
> With great power comes great responsibility.

and a block of mouldy cheese.

> Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ)
> 
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:11 PM, ChunEon Park  wrote:
> > expecting your handsome face.. :)
> >
> >
> > 
> > -Regards, Hermet-
> > -Original Message-
> > From: "Rafael Antognolli"
> > To: "Enlightenment developer
> > list"; Cc:
> > Sent: 2012-07-31 (화) 07:22:32
> > Subject: Re: [E-devel] E SVN: acidx IN trunk/devs: . mello
> >
> > He needs a nice profile picture too.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Bruno Dilly @profusion.mobi> wrote:
> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Enlightenment SVN
> >> @enlightenment.org> wrote:
> >>> Log:
> >>> Greetings to Mello, who is doing a lot of Elev8 related stuff
> >>
> >> Good news!
> >>
> >> Congrats, Mello!
> >> You're doing a very nice job so far, keep the good work  =)
> >>
> >>>
> >>>   (And also someone else to blame for the huge flux of commits every now
> >>> and then.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Author:   acidx
> >>> Date: 2012-07-30 14:59:53 -0700 (Mon, 30 Jul 2012)
> >>> New Revision: 74599
> >>> Trac: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/74599
> >>>
> >>> Added:
> >>>   trunk/devs/mello/ trunk/devs/mello/id_rsa.pub trunk/devs/mello/info.txt
> >>>
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Re: [E-devel] [e-users] poll fyi

[The Rasterman]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:08:26 -0400 Zoffix Znet  said:

> 
> On Tue, 2012-07-31 at 02:02 +0200, Steven Le Roux wrote:
> > has voted !
> 
> Ditto :D
> 
> > 
> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:35 AM, P Purkayastha  wrote:
> > 
> > > On 07/31/2012 06:30 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > > > http://gopollgo.com/what-linux-desktop-do-you-use-currently
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Where are all the enlightened users? :(
> 
> I think the stats are good enough, if you consider there's a large
> number of voters who simply use their OS's default desktop and don't
> know any better. I just won't believe Unity is the most popular
> desktop :) Its stats mostly reflect usage of Ubuntu that has Unity by
> default.
> 
> Anyway, just wanted to say: keep up the amazing work, developers! I love
> e17, it's like a software than can read my mind and does exactly what I
> want :D :D :D
> 
> Thanks!

you want a beer. right?

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: cedric IN trunk/elementary: . src/lib

[Daniel Juyung Seo]

That's because it uses smart calculation? Sounds good :)
So that defers calculations until it renders.
Compared with ecore_job, smart calculation can defer work as late as possible.

Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ)


On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Cedric BAIL  wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Daniel Juyung Seo  
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Enlightenment SVN
>>  wrote:
>>> Log:
>>> elementary: defert Elm_Calendar generation until needed.
>>>
>>>   NOTE: The new infra is awesome ! That was a piece of cake once
>>>   I understand how it work. I love it !
>>
>> What is it exactly? smart calculation?
>
> It give a chance to delay costly change until the render stage start.
> So if you change many times parameter on an object, he doesn't need to
> change until it the very end. This reduce the number of useless and
> costly update by doing it only once. It's a kind of lazy update.
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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: acidx IN trunk/devs: . mello

[Daniel Juyung Seo]

Congratulations Mello!
With great power comes great responsibility.

Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ)

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:11 PM, ChunEon Park  wrote:
> expecting your handsome face.. :)
>
>
> 
> -Regards, Hermet-
> -Original Message-
> From: "Rafael Antognolli"
> To: "Enlightenment developer list";
> Cc:
> Sent: 2012-07-31 (화) 07:22:32
> Subject: Re: [E-devel] E SVN: acidx IN trunk/devs: . mello
>
> He needs a nice profile picture too.
>
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Bruno Dilly @profusion.mobi> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Enlightenment SVN
>> @enlightenment.org> wrote:
>>> Log:
>>> Greetings to Mello, who is doing a lot of Elev8 related stuff
>>
>> Good news!
>>
>> Congrats, Mello!
>> You're doing a very nice job so far, keep the good work  =)
>>
>>>
>>>   (And also someone else to blame for the huge flux of commits every now and
>>>   then.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Author:   acidx
>>> Date: 2012-07-30 14:59:53 -0700 (Mon, 30 Jul 2012)
>>> New Revision: 74599
>>> Trac: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/74599
>>>
>>> Added:
>>>   trunk/devs/mello/ trunk/devs/mello/id_rsa.pub trunk/devs/mello/info.txt
>>>
>>>
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>>
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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: acidx IN trunk/devs: . mello

[ChunEon Park]

expecting your handsome face.. :)



-Regards, Hermet-
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From: "Rafael Antognolli" 
To: "Enlightenment developer list"; 
Cc: 
Sent: 2012-07-31 (화) 07:22:32
Subject: Re: [E-devel] E SVN: acidx IN trunk/devs: . mello

He needs a nice profile picture too.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Bruno Dilly @profusion.mobi> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Enlightenment SVN
> @enlightenment.org> wrote:
>> Log:
>> Greetings to Mello, who is doing a lot of Elev8 related stuff
>
> Good news!
>
> Congrats, Mello!
> You're doing a very nice job so far, keep the good work  =)
>
>>
>>   (And also someone else to blame for the huge flux of commits every now and
>>   then.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Author:   acidx
>> Date: 2012-07-30 14:59:53 -0700 (Mon, 30 Jul 2012)
>> New Revision: 74599
>> Trac: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/74599
>>
>> Added:
>>   trunk/devs/mello/ trunk/devs/mello/id_rsa.pub trunk/devs/mello/info.txt
>>
>>
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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: cedric IN trunk/elementary: . src/lib

[ChunEon Park]

Sounds like This is what we worried about before after applying inheritance.

calculation, calculation,  calculation..   multiple avoidable calculations.


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Sent: 2012-07-30 (월) 19:14:07
Subject: Re: [E-devel] E SVN: cedric IN trunk/elementary: . src/lib

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Daniel Juyung Seo @gmail.com> 
wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Enlightenment SVN
> @enlightenment.org> wrote:
>> Log:
>> elementary: defert Elm_Calendar generation until needed.
>>
>>   NOTE: The new infra is awesome ! That was a piece of cake once
>>   I understand how it work. I love it !
>
> What is it exactly? smart calculation?

It give a chance to delay costly change until the render stage start.
So if you change many times parameter on an object, he doesn't need to
change until it the very end. This reduce the number of useless and
costly update by doing it only once. It's a kind of lazy update.
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Re: [E-devel] Table + Flip

[Cedric BAIL]

Mouah ah ah ah !

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Carsten Haitzler  wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:15:31 -0300 Ederson Souza  
> said:
> rh!
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to inform about a problem that I found using Table and Flip.
>> I've
>> realised that if I want to use more than one flip inside a table, I have to
>> pack the flips inside the table *before* setting the content of the flips.
>> If I pack the flips inside the table after setting the flips content,
>> it doesn't work properly (just the last flip is showed, and its content is
>> overlapped).
>> This behaviour looks like a bug in the flip widget, and I've attached two
>> examples to show what I mean: in the flips_work.c, I pack the flips *before*
>> setting their contents, and in the flips_fail.c, I pack the flips *after*
>> setting their contents.
>> Can anyone check if such behaviour is a bug?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>> --
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Re: [E-devel] [e-users] poll fyi

[Zoffix Znet]

On Tue, 2012-07-31 at 02:02 +0200, Steven Le Roux wrote:
> has voted !

Ditto :D

> 
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:35 AM, P Purkayastha  wrote:
> 
> > On 07/31/2012 06:30 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > > http://gopollgo.com/what-linux-desktop-do-you-use-currently
> > > :)
> > >
> >
> > Where are all the enlightened users? :(

I think the stats are good enough, if you consider there's a large
number of voters who simply use their OS's default desktop and don't
know any better. I just won't believe Unity is the most popular
desktop :) Its stats mostly reflect usage of Ubuntu that has Unity by
default.

Anyway, just wanted to say: keep up the amazing work, developers! I love
e17, it's like a software than can read my mind and does exactly what I
want :D :D :D

Thanks!




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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: lucas trunk/e_dbus

[The Rasterman]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:30:41 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 said:

> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Carsten Haitzler 
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:42:17 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> >  said:
> >
> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Eduardo Lima (Etrunko)
> >>  wrote:
> >> > This breaks the build if you don't have elementary installed.
> >> > Performance test requires elementary (WTF!?!) which depends on e_dbus.
> >> > It should either not depend on elementary or be disabled by default.
> >> >
> >>
> >> similar to evas examples that requires ecore installed, this one
> >> should be disabled by default.
> >
> > if you have examples using elm+edbus -> put them in elm.
> 
> it's a edbus benchmark that uses elm to produce an gui. we could use
> ecore-evas, but it's more work to write the test :-)

then why not put it in the elm tree as when u compile edbus on a fresh
system... circular dep...

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Re: [E-devel] Table + Flip

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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:15:31 -0300 Ederson Souza  said:

rh!

> Hi,
> 
> I would like to inform about a problem that I found using Table and Flip.
> I've
> realised that if I want to use more than one flip inside a table, I have to
> pack the flips inside the table *before* setting the content of the flips.
> If I pack the flips inside the table after setting the flips content,
> it doesn't work properly (just the last flip is showed, and its content is
> overlapped).
> This behaviour looks like a bug in the flip widget, and I've attached two
> examples to show what I mean: in the flips_work.c, I pack the flips *before*
> setting their contents, and in the flips_fail.c, I pack the flips *after*
> setting their contents.
> Can anyone check if such behaviour is a bug?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
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Re: [E-devel] Some thoughts on the e17 release

[The Rasterman]

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:08:46 +0930 Simon Lees  said:

> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Simon  wrote:
> 
> > On 07/30/2012 09:02 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:02:01 +0930 Simon  said:
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> > * The first isn’t so much a request for a extra feature in this list
> > but
> > somewhere in the settings panel to reset your profile and go through
> > the
> > config from scratch.  I know from experience it took me 2 or 3 times
> > to go
> > through before i figured everything out. It would be nice to be able to
> > load and save (import/export) profiles as well. As well as parts of
> > profiles like keybindings (I normally keep them the same across
> > machines at
> > least and they are fiddlyier and more time consuming to set up but that
> > part's not a biggy.
> >
>  rm -rf ~/.e/e/config and log in again. :) but ok - we can make a button
>  for
>  it... :)
> 
> >>> I know that one it's just i would like to think that oneday Linux will
> >>> become easy enough to use that users will never need to touch hidden
> >>> directories in there home drive :)
> >>>
> >> i added a "scratch" button now to the profiles config dialog. hit that
> >> when u
> >> are feeling frisky. :)
> >>
> > I tried it while writing this email as i haven't setup my desktop at home
> > again properly since i was last trying to debug issues with shelves on
> > screens last. My full idea was to then re run the first time config again.
> >
> >
> Sorry for the noise i must have rebuilt a good 10 minutes before the
> feature was added and got confused with the clear settings button. My bad
> 
> cheers,

its the button called "Scratch"... literally... scratch it all and start afresh
- e restarts into the wizard. as u asked. :)


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Re: [E-devel] [e-users] poll fyi

[Steven Le Roux]

has voted !

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:35 AM, P Purkayastha  wrote:

> On 07/31/2012 06:30 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > http://gopollgo.com/what-linux-desktop-do-you-use-currently
> > :)
> >
>
> Where are all the enlightened users? :(
>
>
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Re: [E-devel] Some thoughts on the e17 release

[Simon Lees]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Simon  wrote:

> On 07/30/2012 09:02 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:02:01 +0930 Simon  said:
>>
>
>>
>
> * The first isn’t so much a request for a extra feature in this list
> but
> somewhere in the settings panel to reset your profile and go through
> the
> config from scratch.  I know from experience it took me 2 or 3 times
> to go
> through before i figured everything out. It would be nice to be able to
> load and save (import/export) profiles as well. As well as parts of
> profiles like keybindings (I normally keep them the same across
> machines at
> least and they are fiddlyier and more time consuming to set up but that
> part's not a biggy.
>
 rm -rf ~/.e/e/config and log in again. :) but ok - we can make a button
 for
 it... :)

>>> I know that one it's just i would like to think that oneday Linux will
>>> become easy enough to use that users will never need to touch hidden
>>> directories in there home drive :)
>>>
>> i added a "scratch" button now to the profiles config dialog. hit that
>> when u
>> are feeling frisky. :)
>>
> I tried it while writing this email as i haven't setup my desktop at home
> again properly since i was last trying to debug issues with shelves on
> screens last. My full idea was to then re run the first time config again.
>
>
Sorry for the noise i must have rebuilt a good 10 minutes before the
feature was added and got confused with the clear settings button. My bad

cheers,

Simon

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Re: [E-devel] poll fyi

[Daniel Juyung Seo]

very few for e17... go and give  it a shot!

Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ)
On Jul 31, 2012 7:30 AM, "Carsten Haitzler"  wrote:

> http://gopollgo.com/what-linux-desktop-do-you-use-currently
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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: lucas trunk/e_dbus

[Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Carsten Haitzler  wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:42:17 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
>  said:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Eduardo Lima (Etrunko)
>>  wrote:
>> > This breaks the build if you don't have elementary installed.
>> > Performance test requires elementary (WTF!?!) which depends on e_dbus.
>> > It should either not depend on elementary or be disabled by default.
>> >
>>
>> similar to evas examples that requires ecore installed, this one
>> should be disabled by default.
>
> if you have examples using elm+edbus -> put them in elm.

it's a edbus benchmark that uses elm to produce an gui. we could use
ecore-evas, but it's more work to write the test :-)


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[E-devel] poll fyi

[The Rasterman]

http://gopollgo.com/what-linux-desktop-do-you-use-currently
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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: acidx IN trunk/devs: . mello

[Rafael Antognolli]

He needs a nice profile picture too.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Bruno Dilly  wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Enlightenment SVN
>  wrote:
>> Log:
>> Greetings to Mello, who is doing a lot of Elev8 related stuff
>
> Good news!
>
> Congrats, Mello!
> You're doing a very nice job so far, keep the good work  =)
>
>>
>>   (And also someone else to blame for the huge flux of commits every now and
>>   then.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Author:   acidx
>> Date: 2012-07-30 14:59:53 -0700 (Mon, 30 Jul 2012)
>> New Revision: 74599
>> Trac: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/74599
>>
>> Added:
>>   trunk/devs/mello/ trunk/devs/mello/id_rsa.pub trunk/devs/mello/info.txt
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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: lucas trunk/e_dbus

[The Rasterman]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:42:17 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 said:

> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Eduardo Lima (Etrunko)
>  wrote:
> > This breaks the build if you don't have elementary installed.
> > Performance test requires elementary (WTF!?!) which depends on e_dbus.
> > It should either not depend on elementary or be disabled by default.
> >
> 
> similar to evas examples that requires ecore installed, this one
> should be disabled by default.

if you have examples using elm+edbus -> put them in elm.

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Re: [E-devel] eyesight and mupdf : build a shared lib of mupdf or link mupdf statically against eyesight ?

[Vincent Torri]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:41 PM, thomasg  wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Ralph Sennhauser
>  wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:08:55 +0200
>> Vincent Torri  wrote:
>>
>>> hey
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Cedric BAIL 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Yop,
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Vincent Torri
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >> I plan to update mupdf from 0.9 to 1.0. So i'm writing the build
>>> >> system for that version. As mupdf is not necessarly included in the
>>> >> distros, I integrate the mupdf source in eyesight and I build it.
>>> >> I'm now wondering if I should build a shared lib of mupdf and
>>> >> install it, or if i should statically link mupdf against the pdf
>>> >> module of eyesight. Basically:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1) integrate mupdf and its thirdparty package (which includes :
>>> >> libjpeg, freetype, openjpeg, jbig2dec and zlib), i build them and I
>>> >> statically link all that against the pdf module of eyesight
>>> >> 2) or I ask the user to have libjpeg, freetype, openjpeg, jbig2dec
>>> >> and zlib already installed, I build mupdf and I link mupdf
>>> >> statically against the pdf module of eyesight
>>> >> 3) or I ask the user to have libjpeg, freetype, openjpeg, jbig2dec
>>> >> and zlib already installed, I build mupdf as a shared lib and the
>>> >> pdf module will use the shared lib of mupdf.
>>> >>
>>> >> What is the best solution ?
>>> >
>>> > I think 2 will be better as it doesn't conflict at all with the
>>> > distribution without getting insane and building 10 dependencies
>>> > inside.
>>>
>>> ok, so it seems that 2) is the best. faster compilation in addition.
>>>
>>
>> Please have a configure option with-system-mupdf or similar for those
>> distros which have mupdf in their repositories.
>
> I concur.
> There are distros that ship mupdf 1.0 for a while, as it has been
> released months ago.

yes, 3 months ago...

> Pretty common would be to have --with-system-mupdf which, imho, should
> be default.
> Packagers for the distros without active support can disable this, so
> they get the static version.

i'll see. Honestly, it's not my priority

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: acidx IN trunk/devs: . mello

[Bruno Dilly]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Enlightenment SVN
 wrote:
> Log:
> Greetings to Mello, who is doing a lot of Elev8 related stuff

Good news!

Congrats, Mello!
You're doing a very nice job so far, keep the good work  =)

>
>   (And also someone else to blame for the huge flux of commits every now and
>   then.)
>
>
>
> Author:   acidx
> Date: 2012-07-30 14:59:53 -0700 (Mon, 30 Jul 2012)
> New Revision: 74599
> Trac: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/74599
>
> Added:
>   trunk/devs/mello/ trunk/devs/mello/id_rsa.pub trunk/devs/mello/info.txt
>
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Re: [E-devel] Terminology, jump to bottom on keypress

[Nick Hughart]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:14:25 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)  wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 08:52:25 -0400 Nikolas Arend
>  said:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > With "Jump to bottom on keypress" active, I noticed that
> > terminology would not do the jump on pressing certain keys, like
> > Ctrl, Shift etc, which makes sense. But it also doesn't do that for
> > "Arrow up/down", which bash uses to navigate through the command
> > history. Is that intentional, and if not, do you think that could
> > be changed?
> > 
> > Thanks,   Nick
> 
> i've fxxd it :)
> 

Now I'll have to implement something else since you replaced my only
change :P

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: lucas trunk/e_dbus

[Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Eduardo Lima (Etrunko)
 wrote:
> This breaks the build if you don't have elementary installed.
> Performance test requires elementary (WTF!?!) which depends on e_dbus.
> It should either not depend on elementary or be disabled by default.
>

similar to evas examples that requires ecore installed, this one
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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: lucas trunk/e_dbus

[Eduardo Lima (Etrunko)]

This breaks the build if you don't have elementary installed.
Performance test requires elementary (WTF!?!) which depends on e_dbus.
It should either not depend on elementary or be disabled by default.

Best regards, Etrunko

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Enlightenment SVN
 wrote:
> Log:
> e_dbus: fix 2 --disable for the same thing
>
>   PrinceAMD> ahh, guys in e_dbus why is there  --disable-performance-test &
>  --disable-performance_test, by default e_dbus says performance
>  is disable but still tries to build it and fails, it cant
>  find 
>   PrinceAMD> anyhow with autogen --disable-performance-test
>  --disable-performance_test , e_dbus compile
>
>   We were actually trying to compile a "component" that is really a test
>   binary. And for that component we were not applying the CFLAGS. Now
>   there's only a --disable-performance-test as it was supposed to be.
>
>
>
> Author:   lucas
> Date: 2012-07-28 21:57:40 -0700 (Sat, 28 Jul 2012)
> New Revision: 74540
> Trac: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/74540
>
> Modified:
>   trunk/e_dbus/configure.ac
>
> Modified: trunk/e_dbus/configure.ac
> ===
> --- trunk/e_dbus/configure.ac   2012-07-28 16:33:37 UTC (rev 74539)
> +++ trunk/e_dbus/configure.ac   2012-07-29 04:57:40 UTC (rev 74540)
> @@ -69,7 +69,6 @@
>  want_enotify="yes"
>  want_eofono="yes"
>  want_eukit="yes"
> -want_performance_test="yes"
>
>  case "$host_os" in
> mingw*)
> @@ -79,7 +78,6 @@
>want_enotify="no"
>want_eofono="no"
>want_eukit="no"
> -  want_performance_test="no"
>;;
>  esac
>
> @@ -126,12 +124,6 @@
> [enable_eukit=$enableval],
> [enable_eukit="${want_eukit}"])
>
> -AC_ARG_ENABLE([performance_test],
> -   [AC_HELP_STRING([--disable-performance_test], [Disable performance 
> build])],
> -   [enable_performance_test=$enableval],
> -   [enable_performance_test="${want_performance_test}"])
> -
> -
>  ### Checks for programs
>
>  AC_PROG_CC
> @@ -198,7 +190,6 @@
>  AM_CONDITIONAL([BUILD_ENOTIFY],  [test "x${enable_enotify}"  = "xyes"])
>  AM_CONDITIONAL([BUILD_EOFONO],   [test "x${enable_eofono}"   = "xyes"])
>  AM_CONDITIONAL([BUILD_EUKIT],[test "x${enable_eukit}"= "xyes"])
> -AM_CONDITIONAL([BUILD_PERFORMANCE_TEST],[test 
> "x${enable_performance_test}"= "xyes"])
>
>  # Dependencies for the binaries
>
> @@ -211,7 +202,7 @@
>  EFL_ENABLE_BIN([edbus-notify-test], [${enable_enotify}])
>  EFL_ENABLE_BIN([edbus-ofono-test], [${enable_eofono}])
>  EFL_ENABLE_BIN([edbus-ukit-test], [${enable_eukit}])
> -EFL_ENABLE_BIN([edbus-performance-test], [${enable_performance_test}])
> +EFL_ENABLE_BIN([edbus-performance-test], ["yes"])
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>
>  if test "x${have_edbus_test}" = "xyes" ; then
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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: discomfitor trunk/e/src/modules/gadman

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:14:57 -0700
"Enlightenment SVN"  wrote:

> Log:
> whoops, forgot to use zone geom for saving gadget sizes as well as placing
> them 
> 
> Author:   discomfitor
> Date: 2012-07-30 08:14:57 -0700 (Mon, 30 Jul 2012)
> New Revision: 74593
> Trac: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/74593
> 
> Modified:
>   trunk/e/src/modules/gadman/e_mod_gadman.c 
> 

your gadgets may move/resize a bit after this commit if you use multiple
monitors, but it should be a one-time thing.

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Re: [E-devel] [Edje] Signal callbacks issue (with patch)

[Gustavo Lima Chaves]

> >
> > Sadly, that one logically break the support for multiple callback
> > being fired during the same run. My current understanding of what you
> > see is that somehow due to the reentrance, either the list or the
> > automate is modified and the match no longer make sense. I don't think
> > the issue is with the Edje_Pattern as they are refcounted. Maybe a
> > small workaround would be to build a list of callback to execute
> > instead of executing them directly. I have no idea if that would fix
> > the issue.
>
> Ok, I have just commited a potential fix for this issue in svn r74539.
> Let me know if that does fix the problem.

It does! Thank you, Cedric and Jean ;)

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Re: [E-devel] Terminology cursor sometimes disappear

[Lionel Orry]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler  wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:57:47 +0200 Lionel Orry  said:
>
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> I know we're talking too much about vi recently :) But I am facing
>> another issue as well: When I quit Vi launched in Terminology, the
>> cursor disappears.
>>
>> - I am using the default theme.
>> - Ctrl-L clears the screen but does not make the cursor appear
>> - calling 'reset' does reset the terminal and the cursor reappears this time.
>>
>> Are there other people facing this issue? This is quite annoying not
>> to know where the cursor is located...
>
> have tried to reproduce.. can't. enter vim. exit vim. cursor still there. :/

Problem solved, it was due to one of my plugins messing up at start up.
I had other behaviours on other terminals though, the cursor was not
disappearing to it was less visible that there was a problem. But now
it works fine. Sorry for the noise :)

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Re: [E-devel] eyesight and mupdf : build a shared lib of mupdf or link mupdf statically against eyesight ?

[thomasg]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Ralph Sennhauser
 wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:08:55 +0200
> Vincent Torri  wrote:
>
>> hey
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Cedric BAIL 
>> wrote:
>> > Yop,
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Vincent Torri
>> >  wrote:
>> >> I plan to update mupdf from 0.9 to 1.0. So i'm writing the build
>> >> system for that version. As mupdf is not necessarly included in the
>> >> distros, I integrate the mupdf source in eyesight and I build it.
>> >> I'm now wondering if I should build a shared lib of mupdf and
>> >> install it, or if i should statically link mupdf against the pdf
>> >> module of eyesight. Basically:
>> >>
>> >> 1) integrate mupdf and its thirdparty package (which includes :
>> >> libjpeg, freetype, openjpeg, jbig2dec and zlib), i build them and I
>> >> statically link all that against the pdf module of eyesight
>> >> 2) or I ask the user to have libjpeg, freetype, openjpeg, jbig2dec
>> >> and zlib already installed, I build mupdf and I link mupdf
>> >> statically against the pdf module of eyesight
>> >> 3) or I ask the user to have libjpeg, freetype, openjpeg, jbig2dec
>> >> and zlib already installed, I build mupdf as a shared lib and the
>> >> pdf module will use the shared lib of mupdf.
>> >>
>> >> What is the best solution ?
>> >
>> > I think 2 will be better as it doesn't conflict at all with the
>> > distribution without getting insane and building 10 dependencies
>> > inside.
>>
>> ok, so it seems that 2) is the best. faster compilation in addition.
>>
>
> Please have a configure option with-system-mupdf or similar for those
> distros which have mupdf in their repositories.

I concur.
There are distros that ship mupdf 1.0 for a while, as it has been
released months ago.
Pretty common would be to have --with-system-mupdf which, imho, should
be default.
Packagers for the distros without active support can disable this, so
they get the static version.

>
>> Btw, i'll drop support of poppler, too much work. Mupdf is fast and
>> lean, it's C. If it's missing features, i'll ask the devs to add them.
>>
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Off Topic: as "Envision" has apparently been merged with "Eyesight",
it probably should move from trunk/ to OLD/, shouldn't it?
At the very least both packages are conflicting while envision is
depending on eyesight, which basically means that separate envision is
broken as is.

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Re: [E-devel] Some thoughts on the e17 release

[Simon]

On 07/30/2012 09:02 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:02:01 +0930 Simon  said:
>
>> Morning,
>> Firstly thanks for taking the time to put together a well thought out
>> response i appreciate it.
>>
>>
>> On 07/26/2012 02:00 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:11:23 +0930 Simon Lees  said:
>>>
 I’ve been using E17 for almost a year since i tried gnome 3 and realised it
 couldn’t be configured the way i find most productive and since KDE dropped
 compiz fusion it also now can’t be setup the same way and because i like my
 window manager to look good its not the 90’s anymore, Enlightenment became
 the best choice.
>>> you're going to hate us. for e18 will move compositing into core. u take
>>> e';s compositor or you don't take e. that's where things are going...
>>> :)
>> I won't and wouldn't for 2 reasons, firstly i was mostly trying to make
>> the point that i was disappointed when gnome and kde removed compiz
>> fusion support and didn't replace it with something as customizable or
>> that didn't have all the features i use. So i went searching and found
>> e17 which did. I have never tried running e17 with compiz because e17 on
>> its own has all the features i need (I don't need wobbly windows).
>> Secondly if i was using compiz i wouldn't care as you are not taking
>> away functionalitiy and forcing me to use dynamically expanding
>> workspaces and as a software engineer i understand how this would be
>> easier to maintain.
> ok then. we're happy :)
>
 With the upcoming release i have some thoughts and ideas about improving
 the users experience most of these are as much to stimulate discussion as
 much as anything else if none of them are implemented i won’t care too
 much, after all i don’t have the time to implement them.

 While enlightenment is a great window manager in my opinion the best, it
 has one or 2 weaknesses mostly due to its nature over the last 12 years,
 not having a stable release with most people needing to build from source.
 Moving from supporting a bunch of developers and experienced linux users to
 the point where anyone picking up Linux for the first time can use E17 is a
 essential move if E17 is to become one of the major window managers. This
 essentially means that we should expect that users don’t know how to build
 from source and we will be relying on distributions to provide everything
 needed for a good E17 experience.
>>> yes yes - we know. every distro wants to do its own packaging and has its
>>> own rules and methods. we can't do it all. this is what distribut6ion
>>> packagers do. jeffdammeth keeps some nightly build ppa's for ubuntu going
>>> so the biggest distro is covered. bodhi package e integrated with the os.
>>> gentoo has ebuilds... its not badly covered - well other than distros
>>> OFFICIALLY packaging e and we can't make them do it.
>> I am not suggesting e17 do any of it unless theres simple things that
>> are requested by distro's. I made this point more to illustrate a
>> changing userbase as hopefully more distro's do include e17 or at least
>> have community repositories the userbase will move more and more to
>> people who have only used package management systems and don't know what
>> svn is. I use the opensuse community repo's on a couple of machines that
>> i never intend to develop on because its far easier then maintaining a
>> script to update from svn.
> distros want releases. even with them packages lag often weeks, months or
> years behind... or don't exist at all. :) as such tho a single efl tree (as
> planned) will cut down work for everyone involved, packagers too.
As someone who uses easy e17 i think the single build tree is a great 
idea as well, As someone who is using a rolling release distro i often 
forget about those that take along time to update. I am looking forward 
to grabbing the stable version of e17 out of a repository somewhere.
>
 Being someone who is not a packager and has no experience doing anything
 like it i think moving to a single build tree and efl lib is a great start.
 There are 2 other areas that i can see as issues the first being
 applications when i am building with easy e17 i struggle to work out what’s
 a application what’s stable and what’s worth building maybe there needs to
>>> easy-e17 includes a lot of stuff that is half-done and not stable. so that's
>>> why.
>> Yeah i thought i saw a list of applications and a description of what
>> they did somewhere on the site the other week but i can't see it
>> anywhere atm so either im average at looking or its well hidden, this is
>> the sort of thing i was meaning when i was talking about helping
>> distributors a simple list of applications with a brief description of
>> what they do so this info can be copied and pasted into packages.
> really if we release tarballs then its usable. if we 

Re: [E-devel] Some thoughts on the e17 release

[The Rasterman]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:02:01 +0930 Simon  said:

> Morning,
> Firstly thanks for taking the time to put together a well thought out 
> response i appreciate it.
> 
> 
> On 07/26/2012 02:00 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:11:23 +0930 Simon Lees  said:
> >
> >> I’ve been using E17 for almost a year since i tried gnome 3 and realised it
> >> couldn’t be configured the way i find most productive and since KDE dropped
> >> compiz fusion it also now can’t be setup the same way and because i like my
> >> window manager to look good its not the 90’s anymore, Enlightenment became
> >> the best choice.
> > you're going to hate us. for e18 will move compositing into core. u take
> > e';s compositor or you don't take e. that's where things are going...
> > :)
> I won't and wouldn't for 2 reasons, firstly i was mostly trying to make 
> the point that i was disappointed when gnome and kde removed compiz 
> fusion support and didn't replace it with something as customizable or 
> that didn't have all the features i use. So i went searching and found 
> e17 which did. I have never tried running e17 with compiz because e17 on 
> its own has all the features i need (I don't need wobbly windows). 
> Secondly if i was using compiz i wouldn't care as you are not taking 
> away functionalitiy and forcing me to use dynamically expanding 
> workspaces and as a software engineer i understand how this would be 
> easier to maintain.

ok then. we're happy :)

> >> With the upcoming release i have some thoughts and ideas about improving
> >> the users experience most of these are as much to stimulate discussion as
> >> much as anything else if none of them are implemented i won’t care too
> >> much, after all i don’t have the time to implement them.
> >>
> >> While enlightenment is a great window manager in my opinion the best, it
> >> has one or 2 weaknesses mostly due to its nature over the last 12 years,
> >> not having a stable release with most people needing to build from source.
> >> Moving from supporting a bunch of developers and experienced linux users to
> >> the point where anyone picking up Linux for the first time can use E17 is a
> >> essential move if E17 is to become one of the major window managers. This
> >> essentially means that we should expect that users don’t know how to build
> >> from source and we will be relying on distributions to provide everything
> >> needed for a good E17 experience.
> > yes yes - we know. every distro wants to do its own packaging and has its
> > own rules and methods. we can't do it all. this is what distribut6ion
> > packagers do. jeffdammeth keeps some nightly build ppa's for ubuntu going
> > so the biggest distro is covered. bodhi package e integrated with the os.
> > gentoo has ebuilds... its not badly covered - well other than distros
> > OFFICIALLY packaging e and we can't make them do it.
> I am not suggesting e17 do any of it unless theres simple things that 
> are requested by distro's. I made this point more to illustrate a 
> changing userbase as hopefully more distro's do include e17 or at least 
> have community repositories the userbase will move more and more to 
> people who have only used package management systems and don't know what 
> svn is. I use the opensuse community repo's on a couple of machines that 
> i never intend to develop on because its far easier then maintaining a 
> script to update from svn.

distros want releases. even with them packages lag often weeks, months or
years behind... or don't exist at all. :) as such tho a single efl tree (as
planned) will cut down work for everyone involved, packagers too.

> >> Being someone who is not a packager and has no experience doing anything
> >> like it i think moving to a single build tree and efl lib is a great start.
> >> There are 2 other areas that i can see as issues the first being
> >> applications when i am building with easy e17 i struggle to work out what’s
> >> a application what’s stable and what’s worth building maybe there needs to
> > easy-e17 includes a lot of stuff that is half-done and not stable. so that's
> > why.
> Yeah i thought i saw a list of applications and a description of what 
> they did somewhere on the site the other week but i can't see it 
> anywhere atm so either im average at looking or its well hidden, this is 
> the sort of thing i was meaning when i was talking about helping 
> distributors a simple list of applications with a brief description of 
> what they do so this info can be copied and pasted into packages.

really if we release tarballs then its usable. if we don't - it's probably
still being hacked on and may never make it out the door. if its in svn it's a
free-for all as to if its stable/usable. some things will be better than
others. :)

> >> be a stable and development directory for applications in svn instead of
> >> having them all in the root directory. Similarly with E-MODULES-EXTRA the
> >> poll a couple of we

Re: [E-devel] Terminology cursor sometimes disappear

[The Rasterman]

On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:57:47 +0200 Lionel Orry  said:

> Hi devs,
> 
> I know we're talking too much about vi recently :) But I am facing
> another issue as well: When I quit Vi launched in Terminology, the
> cursor disappears.
> 
> - I am using the default theme.
> - Ctrl-L clears the screen but does not make the cursor appear
> - calling 'reset' does reset the terminal and the cursor reappears this time.
> 
> Are there other people facing this issue? This is quite annoying not
> to know where the cursor is located...

have tried to reproduce.. can't. enter vim. exit vim. cursor still there. :/

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Re: [E-devel] Frame component in elev8

[The Rasterman]

On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:14:38 +0400 Markovtsev Vadim 
said:

> Elev8 seems to miss elm.Frame component (corresponding to elementary's
> frame). Is it something made on purpose? I could implement it.

elev8 is not complete currently in terms of support for elm or the rest of efl,
so i'm not too surprised :)

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Re: [E-devel] Terminology, jump to bottom on keypress

[The Rasterman]

On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 08:52:25 -0400 Nikolas Arend  said:

> Hi,
> 
> With "Jump to bottom on keypress" active, I noticed that terminology 
> would not do the jump on pressing certain keys, like Ctrl, Shift etc, 
> which makes sense. But it also doesn't do that for "Arrow up/down", 
> which bash uses to navigate through the command history. Is that 
> intentional, and if not, do you think that could be changed?
> 
> Thanks,   Nick

i've fxxd it :)

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: cedric IN trunk/elementary: . src/lib

[Cedric BAIL]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Daniel Juyung Seo  wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Enlightenment SVN
>  wrote:
>> Log:
>> elementary: defert Elm_Calendar generation until needed.
>>
>>   NOTE: The new infra is awesome ! That was a piece of cake once
>>   I understand how it work. I love it !
>
> What is it exactly? smart calculation?

It give a chance to delay costly change until the render stage start.
So if you change many times parameter on an object, he doesn't need to
change until it the very end. This reduce the number of useless and
costly update by doing it only once. It's a kind of lazy update.
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Re: [E-devel] [Evas]: Use of loop instead of memcpy

[The Rasterman]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:38:18 -0400 (EDT) david.obo...@aliceadsl.fr said:

> Hi,
> 
>   I wonder why the evas_blit_main.c, the copy is made by a loop instead of a
> memcpy. This is a problem with an architecture or with performance?

at least in the past i have measured it as faster than memcpy. and the mmx/sse
ones even faster. :) maybe glibc has stopped being... so... crappy these days :)


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Re: [E-devel] [PATCH] FIx wrong frame calculation in evas_object_resize()

[Chris Michael]

This is fixed now with EFL revision 74566. I could not make use of these
patches tho :(, but thank you for the effort :)

Cheers,
Dh


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Sent: 24 July 2012 06:08
To: enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [E-devel] [PATCH] FIx wrong frame calculation in
evas_object_resize()

Hi,
  I found some bugs which come from the difference of frame processing
between X and Wayland:
  http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/1024
  http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/1193
  As you know, window client area is smaller in Wayland engine because
elementary has to keep frame space. But  evas_object_resize() reduces frame
space for every widget. This is wrong. It causes widget height is subtracted
to negative and couldn't be display because its condition isn't enough only
by checking obj->smart->parent. So I add one condition strcmp(obj->type,
"elm_win") == 0 for making sure only elm_win do frame calculation. Please
review evas_object_resize_frame.patch.
  It also need calling evas_object_move() once for re-calculating widget
position based on frame space. (label_example_moving.patch)
  But because smaller window client area couldn't keep all content (e.g.
text of all labels in label_example_01) of window like X. Otherwise, it is
also OK to enlarge elm_win size for wayland engine specially in
label_example_01.c. But this will make application code different between X
and Wayland. it may not make sense because platform engine dependency.
  It may be better to enlarge (not reduce) window size in elm_win
construction/layout/rendering and keep the same size of window client area
with X. Frame will be drawn on additional area. But it means modify current
elm_win construction/layout/rendering mechanism. So we may have to convince
community and need more time to implement it because it is a big change.
  Which path is better choice? At least, evas_object_resize_frame.patch may
be temp solution for workaround.
  Thanks.

Yan Wang





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Re: [E-devel] eyesight and mupdf : build a shared lib of mupdf or link mupdf statically against eyesight ?

[Ralph Sennhauser]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:08:55 +0200
Vincent Torri  wrote:

> hey
> 
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Cedric BAIL 
> wrote:
> > Yop,
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Vincent Torri
> >  wrote:
> >> I plan to update mupdf from 0.9 to 1.0. So i'm writing the build
> >> system for that version. As mupdf is not necessarly included in the
> >> distros, I integrate the mupdf source in eyesight and I build it.
> >> I'm now wondering if I should build a shared lib of mupdf and
> >> install it, or if i should statically link mupdf against the pdf
> >> module of eyesight. Basically:
> >>
> >> 1) integrate mupdf and its thirdparty package (which includes :
> >> libjpeg, freetype, openjpeg, jbig2dec and zlib), i build them and I
> >> statically link all that against the pdf module of eyesight
> >> 2) or I ask the user to have libjpeg, freetype, openjpeg, jbig2dec
> >> and zlib already installed, I build mupdf and I link mupdf
> >> statically against the pdf module of eyesight
> >> 3) or I ask the user to have libjpeg, freetype, openjpeg, jbig2dec
> >> and zlib already installed, I build mupdf as a shared lib and the
> >> pdf module will use the shared lib of mupdf.
> >>
> >> What is the best solution ?
> >
> > I think 2 will be better as it doesn't conflict at all with the
> > distribution without getting insane and building 10 dependencies
> > inside.
> 
> ok, so it seems that 2) is the best. faster compilation in addition.
> 

Please have a configure option with-system-mupdf or similar for those
distros which have mupdf in their repositories.

> Btw, i'll drop support of poppler, too much work. Mupdf is fast and
> lean, it's C. If it's missing features, i'll ask the devs to add them.
> 
> Vincent
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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: cedric IN trunk/elementary: . src/lib

[Daniel Juyung Seo]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Enlightenment SVN
 wrote:
> Log:
> elementary: defert Elm_Calendar generation until needed.
>
>   NOTE: The new infra is awesome ! That was a piece of cake once
>   I understand how it work. I love it !

What is it exactly? smart calculation?

Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ)

>
>
> Author:   cedric
> Date: 2012-07-30 02:02:23 -0700 (Mon, 30 Jul 2012)
> New Revision: 74562
> Trac: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/74562
>
> Modified:
>   trunk/elementary/ChangeLog trunk/elementary/NEWS 
> trunk/elementary/src/lib/elm_calendar.c
>
> Modified: trunk/elementary/ChangeLog
> ===
> --- trunk/elementary/ChangeLog  2012-07-30 08:25:15 UTC (rev 74561)
> +++ trunk/elementary/ChangeLog  2012-07-30 09:02:23 UTC (rev 74562)
> @@ -357,3 +357,4 @@
>  2012-07-30  Cedric Bail
>
> * Allow freeze/thaw on Elm_Layout and reduce number of object update.
> +   * Defer Elm_Calendar generation until really needed.
>
> Modified: trunk/elementary/NEWS
> ===
> --- trunk/elementary/NEWS   2012-07-30 08:25:15 UTC (rev 74561)
> +++ trunk/elementary/NEWS   2012-07-30 09:02:23 UTC (rev 74562)
> @@ -32,6 +32,7 @@
>
> * Allocate once and reuse Evas_Map.
> * Allow freeze/thaw on Elm_Layout and reduce number of object update.
> +   * Defer Elm_Calendar generation until really needed.
>
>  Removal:
>
>
> Modified: trunk/elementary/src/lib/elm_calendar.c
> ===
> --- trunk/elementary/src/lib/elm_calendar.c 2012-07-30 08:25:15 UTC (rev 
> 74561)
> +++ trunk/elementary/src/lib/elm_calendar.c 2012-07-30 09:02:23 UTC (rev 
> 74562)
> @@ -466,17 +466,8 @@
> if (!ELM_WIDGET_CLASS(_elm_calendar_parent_sc)->theme(obj))
>   return EINA_FALSE;
>
> -   elm_layout_freeze(obj);
> +   evas_object_smart_changed(obj);
>
> -   _set_headers(obj);
> -   _populate(obj);
> -
> -   elm_layout_thaw(obj);
> -
> -   edje_object_message_signal_process(ELM_WIDGET_DATA(sd)->resize_obj);
> -
> -   elm_layout_sizing_eval(obj);
> -
> return EINA_TRUE;
>  }
>
> @@ -547,7 +538,9 @@
>  {
> ELM_CALENDAR_DATA_GET(data, sd);
>
> -   if (_update_month(data, sd->spin_speed)) _populate(data);
> +   if (_update_month(data, sd->spin_speed))
> + evas_object_smart_changed(data);
> +
> sd->interval = sd->interval / 1.05;
> ecore_timer_interval_set(sd->spin, sd->interval);
>
> @@ -754,6 +747,17 @@
>  }
>
>  static void
> +_elm_calendar_smart_calculate(Evas_Object *obj)
> +{
> +   elm_layout_freeze(obj);
> +
> +   _set_headers(obj);
> +   _populate(obj);
> +
> +   elm_layout_thaw(obj);
> +}
> +
> +static void
>  _elm_calendar_smart_add(Evas_Object *obj)
>  {
> time_t weekday = 259200; /* Just the first sunday since epoch */
> @@ -815,16 +819,8 @@
>
> elm_widget_can_focus_set(obj, EINA_TRUE);
>
> -   elm_layout_freeze(obj);
> -
> elm_layout_theme_set(obj, "calendar", "base", elm_object_style_get(obj));
> -
> -   _set_headers(obj);
> -   _populate(obj);
> -
> -   elm_layout_thaw(obj);
> -
> -   elm_layout_sizing_eval(obj);
> +   evas_object_smart_changed(obj);
>  }
>
>  static void
> @@ -856,6 +852,7 @@
>  {
> ELM_WIDGET_CLASS(sc)->base.add = _elm_calendar_smart_add;
> ELM_WIDGET_CLASS(sc)->base.del = _elm_calendar_smart_del;
> +   ELM_WIDGET_CLASS(sc)->base.calculate = _elm_calendar_smart_calculate;
>
> ELM_WIDGET_CLASS(sc)->theme = _elm_calendar_smart_theme;
> ELM_WIDGET_CLASS(sc)->event = _elm_calendar_smart_event;
> @@ -898,7 +895,7 @@
>  eina_stringshare_replace(&sd->weekdays[i], weekdays[i]);
>   }
>
> -   _set_headers(obj);
> +   evas_object_smart_changed(obj);
>  }
>
>  EAPI const char **
> @@ -949,7 +946,7 @@
>   sd->shown_time.tm_year = sd->year_max;
> if (sd->shown_time.tm_year < sd->year_min)
>   sd->shown_time.tm_year = sd->year_min;
> -   _populate(obj);
> +   evas_object_smart_changed(obj);
>  }
>
>  EAPI void
> @@ -1003,7 +1000,7 @@
>
> _fix_selected_time(sd);
>
> -   _populate(obj);
> +   evas_object_smart_changed(obj);
>  }
>
>  EAPI Eina_Bool
> @@ -1088,7 +1085,7 @@
>  {
> ELM_CALENDAR_CHECK(obj);
>
> -   _populate(obj);
> +   evas_object_smart_changed(obj);
>  }
>
>  EAPI void
> @@ -1102,13 +1099,7 @@
> if (sd->first_week_day != day)
>   {
>  sd->first_week_day = day;
> -
> -elm_layout_freeze(obj);
> -
> -_set_headers(obj);
> -_populate(obj);
> -
> -elm_layout_thaw(obj);
> +evas_object_smart_changed(obj);
>   }
>  }
>
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Re: [E-devel] Eyesight patch

[Cedric BAIL]

Yop,

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Vincent Torri  wrote:
> patch for Eyesight which is an attempt to improve GUI  : the genlist
> appears when the mouse reaches the left border of the window.. It's
> not great as I'm not a designer, nor a good edje programmer.

In svn r74555.
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Re: [E-devel] eyesight and mupdf : build a shared lib of mupdf or link mupdf statically against eyesight ?

[Vincent Torri]

hey

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Cedric BAIL  wrote:
> Yop,
>
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Vincent Torri  
> wrote:
>> I plan to update mupdf from 0.9 to 1.0. So i'm writing the build
>> system for that version. As mupdf is not necessarly included in the
>> distros, I integrate the mupdf source in eyesight and I build it. I'm
>> now wondering if I should build a shared lib of mupdf and install it,
>> or if i should statically link mupdf against the pdf module of
>> eyesight. Basically:
>>
>> 1) integrate mupdf and its thirdparty package (which includes :
>> libjpeg, freetype, openjpeg, jbig2dec and zlib), i build them and I
>> statically link all that against the pdf module of eyesight
>> 2) or I ask the user to have libjpeg, freetype, openjpeg, jbig2dec and
>> zlib already installed, I build mupdf and I link mupdf statically
>> against the pdf module of eyesight
>> 3) or I ask the user to have libjpeg, freetype, openjpeg, jbig2dec and
>> zlib already installed, I build mupdf as a shared lib and the pdf
>> module will use the shared lib of mupdf.
>>
>> What is the best solution ?
>
> I think 2 will be better as it doesn't conflict at all with the
> distribution without getting insane and building 10 dependencies
> inside.

ok, so it seems that 2) is the best. faster compilation in addition.

Btw, i'll drop support of poppler, too much work. Mupdf is fast and
lean, it's C. If it's missing features, i'll ask the devs to add them.

Vincent

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