Re: [E-devel] [PATCH] terminology appmenu support
On 13-08-10 13:02, Carsten Haitzler wrote: […] once menus look good in elm by default - i'm willing to have it on by default (for #3). :) And keep it configurable, please. -- Boris Faure Pointer Arithmetician -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [PATCH] terminology appmenu support
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:32:28 +0200 Boris Faure bo...@fau.re said: On 13-08-10 13:02, Carsten Haitzler wrote: […] once menus look good in elm by default - i'm willing to have it on by default (for #3). :) And keep it configurable, please. of course. i sure don't want them on for me... i'd want them off, but i can see the value of a menu bar for n00bs so they know they can click there. i've seen people literally stumped at terminology thinking it has no config - they didnt know right click would bring it up. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [PATCH] terminology appmenu support
On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:37:38 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:32:28 +0200 Boris Faure bo...@fau.re said: On 13-08-10 13:02, Carsten Haitzler wrote: […] once menus look good in elm by default - i'm willing to have it on by default (for #3). :) And keep it configurable, please. of course. i sure don't want them on for me... i'd want them off, but i can see the value of a menu bar for n00bs so they know they can click there. i've seen people literally stumped at terminology thinking it has no config - they didnt know right click would bring it up. Discoverability is important in UI design. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] [PATCH] terminology appmenu support
Hi, Since Elementary makes it easy to add an application menu and E18 supports the external dbus menu protocol to have it outside of the screen I've implemented that in terminology. It shows Terminology entry with Settings and About subentries, Terminal with new, split and close. Then Edit with Copy and Paste and last show the existent tabs/views. I've decided to ask for some feedback whenever we want this, if one doesn't have the external dbus menu support (no e18 gadget or other wm supporting) it will show a menu bar that is currently unthemed -- will show a standard bg and some buttons that drops the menu. To solve this I've added an envvar to disable it. Another problem is that elm_menu api is quite barebones, as well as the appmenu e18 implementation. For instance I don't get a callback when the Tabs menu is activated, thus I can't dynamically populate it and I have to keep rewriting the whole submenu on title or tabs changes. The menu api and theme can be improved, just need a review on the patch and if it will get in or not. Cheers, -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri -- Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 Contact: http://www.gustavobarbieri.com.br/contact 0001-support-appmenu.patch Description: Binary data -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [PATCH] terminology appmenu support
Hello, On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@gmail.com wrote: Since Elementary makes it easy to add an application menu and E18 supports the external dbus menu protocol to have it outside of the screen I've implemented that in terminology. It shows Terminology entry with Settings and About subentries, Terminal with new, split and close. Then Edit with Copy and Paste and last show the existent tabs/views. I do like the idea of this feature. I would just prefer that its implementation in E18 add a menu icon next to the application icon in the title bar to not clutter my screen with menu. I know this is not related to your patch. I've decided to ask for some feedback whenever we want this, if one doesn't have the external dbus menu support (no e18 gadget or other wm supporting) it will show a menu bar that is currently unthemed -- will show a standard bg and some buttons that drops the menu. To solve this I've added an envvar to disable it. Isn't there a way for the application to detect if the WM support that feature and so fallback to previous behavior. Will be better IMHO. Another problem is that elm_menu api is quite barebones, as well as the appmenu e18 implementation. For instance I don't get a callback when the Tabs menu is activated, thus I can't dynamically populate it and I have to keep rewriting the whole submenu on title or tabs changes. That's sound awful. Wasn't this API added during 1.8 cycle ? If yes, then we can still fix it. The menu api and theme can be improved, just need a review on the patch and if it will get in or not. -- Cedric BAIL -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [PATCH] terminology appmenu support
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 23:57:28 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@gmail.com said: in principle i don't have a problem with this... but the patch as it stands does have several issues that i'd say a no to right now. 1. terminal sizing is wrong. the standard 80x24 term doesnt come up at 80x24.. if the menu is CONSUMING space inside the window... :) if u dont have a global menu daemon then this is broken. :) eg i size my term down to its smallest size, e reports 80x5.. but its actually 80x1 - so base size and so on are not handled properly. if the menu bar is inside the window i'd expect the window to be a little taller by default with the 80x24 term as we saw it before a menu bar, sitting below the menu bar, same size etc. 2. i agree look-wise its ugly as sin... admittedly dark looks better.. but its also fat and horrible right now - work needs doing on the theme though. 3. given the ugliness of it at least right now, could there be a CONFIG option (in elm's config) to turn it off? and have it off by default for now at least until such a time as it behaves and looks decently? once menus look good in elm by default - i'm willing to have it on by default (for #3). :) Hi, Since Elementary makes it easy to add an application menu and E18 supports the external dbus menu protocol to have it outside of the screen I've implemented that in terminology. It shows Terminology entry with Settings and About subentries, Terminal with new, split and close. Then Edit with Copy and Paste and last show the existent tabs/views. I've decided to ask for some feedback whenever we want this, if one doesn't have the external dbus menu support (no e18 gadget or other wm supporting) it will show a menu bar that is currently unthemed -- will show a standard bg and some buttons that drops the menu. To solve this I've added an envvar to disable it. Another problem is that elm_menu api is quite barebones, as well as the appmenu e18 implementation. For instance I don't get a callback when the Tabs menu is activated, thus I can't dynamically populate it and I have to keep rewriting the whole submenu on title or tabs changes. The menu api and theme can be improved, just need a review on the patch and if it will get in or not. Cheers, -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri -- Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 Contact: http://www.gustavobarbieri.com.br/contact -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
