Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
IMO a screenshot thumbnail is of little use to see how your desktop would look. I suggest using a close-up of the main elements shelf, menu, window border and some widgets. A mix of what get-e.org [1] and art.gnome.org [2] do. [1] http://www0.get-e.org/Themes/E17/_images/23oz.jpg [2] http://art.gnome.org/images/thumbnails/gtk2/GTK2-Cillop-Th.png If size is an issue we can replicate art.gnome.org which takes little space and add a window border to it. -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:20:10 -0200 andres andresbl...@gmail.com babbled: IMO a screenshot thumbnail is of little use to see how your desktop would look. I suggest using a close-up of the main elements shelf, menu, window border and some widgets. A mix of what get-e.org [1] and art.gnome.org [2] do. [1] http://www0.get-e.org/Themes/E17/_images/23oz.jpg [2] http://art.gnome.org/images/thumbnails/gtk2/GTK2-Cillop-Th.png If size is an issue we can replicate art.gnome.org which takes little space and add a window border to it. that was the point of a programmatically-generated theme thumbnail where it takes obvious and common elements of a theme (wallpaper, menu, border, some widgets and a dialog with stuff in it, shelf etc.) crams them into a small preview with a fixed setup and then scales that down to maybe 1/2 res or 1/4 res. (eg a 512x512 setup thumbaniled to 128x128 0 when you browse the preview will show not the stored thumb but the full dynamic layout that was used to generate the thumb - with all animations etc.intact) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
Ive been giving this a little more thought, and I suspect e/widgets/preview should probably be capable of rendering something a little more interesting than a boring swallow. Perhaps the wallpaper wih a shelf clone and a button? I jut think this could be used better than just a wallpaper. Alternatively, exchange might be able to download a specific group of a theme and render that instead of grabbing a whole edj files. If its possible or not, is another question. What im tryng to say is: Exchange extracts a button, a dialog, a wallpaper and a shelf from the theme. Creates a scaled down 'preview' edj from that then send it to the user for previewing. Issue there is server load, but it could be a 1 off when the theme is uploaded. The preview edj is then downloaded when previewing and is used on a widget that uses these preview edje parts. The can then interact with the preview before deciding to download, which gets them the whole theme. Its a bit wishful but its a bit more exciting than an image. Also takes away some of the work of the themer. It would require some more thought though. Toma. 2008/12/10 Massimiliano Calamelli mcalame...@gmail.com: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:01:10 +1100 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: a dep? it is? where? it may be from fontconfig or maybe librsvg - but it's an indirect dep - not direct... Uhm, you're right, not a dep for E, but for language module. My fault :( Massimliano - -- Massimiliano Calamelli http://mcalamelli.netsons.org mcalame...@gmail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFJP7JsleGEL56NNP4RAtIMAJ9Qt+trf+Z4QFz5t7qNuYFXY7g9xgCdFrEa 9GbRazIpAVRysec9eEnfQqU= =RGRj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
Be sure to give some thought about what happens to the preview widget if the user doesn't have exchange installed and/or is not online. dh Toma wrote: Ive been giving this a little more thought, and I suspect e/widgets/preview should probably be capable of rendering something a little more interesting than a boring swallow. Perhaps the wallpaper wih a shelf clone and a button? I jut think this could be used better than just a wallpaper. Alternatively, exchange might be able to download a specific group of a theme and render that instead of grabbing a whole edj files. If its possible or not, is another question. What im tryng to say is: Exchange extracts a button, a dialog, a wallpaper and a shelf from the theme. Creates a scaled down 'preview' edj from that then send it to the user for previewing. Issue there is server load, but it could be a 1 off when the theme is uploaded. The preview edj is then downloaded when previewing and is used on a widget that uses these preview edje parts. The can then interact with the preview before deciding to download, which gets them the whole theme. Its a bit wishful but its a bit more exciting than an image. Also takes away some of the work of the themer. It would require some more thought though. Toma. 2008/12/10 Massimiliano Calamelli mcalame...@gmail.com: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:01:10 +1100 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: a dep? it is? where? it may be from fontconfig or maybe librsvg - but it's an indirect dep - not direct... Uhm, you're right, not a dep for E, but for language module. My fault :( Massimliano - -- Massimiliano Calamelli http://mcalamelli.netsons.org mcalame...@gmail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFJP7JsleGEL56NNP4RAtIMAJ9Qt+trf+Z4QFz5t7qNuYFXY7g9xgCdFrEa 9GbRazIpAVRysec9eEnfQqU= =RGRj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:15:52 +1100 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mind you - i am still a little bemused by the use of xml. since both client and server are written by the same team and are tightly tied together - is there any reason for needing a complex/heavy standard? a simple newline delimited text file would work just as well with less effort for example, or as below - eet would too. i am not saying to change it - i am just curious why xml? - From the server, I do not know the original reason for this choice, I assume the fact that XML is, for better or for worse, a standard for exchanging information. From the client, of course, I had to adapt, because development has not been parallel to the server. Anyway, the SAX parser looks fast, well done and easy to use, and libxml already exists as dependency for E, so I think it is a good choiche, playing with XML. Massimiliano - -- Massimiliano Calamelli http://mcalamelli.netsons.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFJP4gpleGEL56NNP4RAtsOAJ46BDp+UjZfECZ48F4ui5TWs7dUHQCgw/Ac IIvB2JMp++jInW7Lub1Nh/c= =HSOt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:13:08 +0100 Massimiliano Calamelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:15:52 +1100 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mind you - i am still a little bemused by the use of xml. since both client and server are written by the same team and are tightly tied together - is there any reason for needing a complex/heavy standard? a simple newline delimited text file would work just as well with less effort for example, or as below - eet would too. i am not saying to change it - i am just curious why xml? - From the server, I do not know the original reason for this choice, I assume the fact that XML is, for better or for worse, a standard for exchanging information. From the client, of course, I had to adapt, because development has not been parallel to the server. Anyway, the SAX parser looks fast, well done and easy to use, and libxml already exists as dependency for E, so I think it is a good choiche, playing with XML. a dep? it is? where? it may be from fontconfig or maybe librsvg - but it's an indirect dep - not direct... -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:01:10 +1100 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a dep? it is? where? it may be from fontconfig or maybe librsvg - but it's an indirect dep - not direct... Uhm, you're right, not a dep for E, but for language module. My fault :( Massimliano - -- Massimiliano Calamelli http://mcalamelli.netsons.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFJP7JsleGEL56NNP4RAtIMAJ9Qt+trf+Z4QFz5t7qNuYFXY7g9xgCdFrEa 9GbRazIpAVRysec9eEnfQqU= =RGRj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: Anyway, the SAX parser looks fast, well done and easy to use, and libxml already exists as dependency for E, so I think it is a good choiche, playing with XML. a dep? it is? where? it may be from fontconfig or maybe librsvg - but it's an indirect dep - not direct... fontconfig should use expat by default, but can use libxml2. librsvg uses indeed libxml2. Vincent -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Enlightenment SVN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Log: * Use the new Exchange Smart Object in the E17 theme dialog (if exchange is installed) If we start to use Exchange in E17, it sounds like it is ready to be moved outside of PROTO, no ? -- Cedric BAIL -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:29:37 +0100 Cedric BAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we start to use Exchange in E17, it sounds like it is ready to be moved outside of PROTO, no ? -- Cedric BAIL No objection for me, it isn't complete (see TODO), but is usable. Massimiliano - -- Massimiliano Calamelli http://mcalamelli.netsons.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFJPj6hleGEL56NNP4RAmIHAKDTTV7pK0wIsh4qlB2KVqcODvY+UgCgqYGj 8nFtUbLhKcbp/CS/gTtoK9I= =gLML -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Enlightenment SVN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Log: * Use the new Exchange Smart Object in the E17 theme dialog (if exchange is installed) couple of comments: - as I reported to you the other day on irc, rating stars are over text description. - delay heavy operations before dialog is displayed. So far it takes a lot to show the window, which is very bad. (Some other E dialogs are like that, mainly those that deal with freedesktop.org .desktop files) - scrollbar starts at 100%, when you click it goes to the real (or smaller) size. - local files lack description and screenshot - please delay showing Download and other item buttons, it is annoying to move mouse over do go to scrollbar or something else and get a wave of things going in and out... but things are good, keep the good work. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:01:59 +0100 Cedric BAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Massimiliano Calamelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:29:37 +0100 Cedric BAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we start to use Exchange in E17, it sounds like it is ready to be moved outside of PROTO, no ? No objection for me, it isn't complete (see TODO), but is usable. All EFL have a TODO :-) If it's usable, usefull and used by e17, sounds good to move for me. Give just a few day for someone to mind, but I doubt someone will be against :-) yeah. if something works - it's core functionality does and has pretty much a stable api that is only going to have small changes - it's ready to go out of proto if someone wants to use it. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Massimiliano Calamelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:29:37 +0100 Cedric BAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we start to use Exchange in E17, it sounds like it is ready to be moved outside of PROTO, no ? No objection for me, it isn't complete (see TODO), but is usable. All EFL have a TODO :-) If it's usable, usefull and used by e17, sounds good to move for me. Give just a few day for someone to mind, but I doubt someone will be against :-) -- Cedric BAIL -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Enlightenment SVN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Log: * Use the new Exchange Smart Object in the E17 theme dialog (if exchange is installed) couple of comments: - as I reported to you the other day on irc, rating stars are over text description. This is because I use only one text object, there are 2 br after the version number that should leave enought space for the stars. One simple solution is to use 2 different text object per every theme, but I don't want to duplicate the number of objects in the scene. So the question is: why the textblock will render br differently on your machine? maybe we are using a different font? Someone else have the same problem? - delay heavy operations before dialog is displayed. So far it takes a lot to show the window, which is very bad. (Some other E dialogs are like that, mainly those that deal with freedesktop.org .desktop files) Yes I know, exchange block the mainloop while dowloading and parsing the xml file. very bad. I'm working for a new nonblocking approach, will be up asap. - scrollbar starts at 100%, when you click it goes to the real (or smaller) size. thanks didn't noticed. - local files lack description and screenshot IMO this is more a lack in the themes, I suggest to add the description and the screenshot directly inside every theme edje file. (Toma: ping) This could also be usefull in the exchange site, to autogenerate themes pages. - please delay showing Download and other item buttons, it is annoying to move mouse over do go to scrollbar or something else and get a wave of things going in and out... ... I like the wave effect :) but you are right, need a deley As always...thanks for testing :) Dave but things are good, keep the good work. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Enlightenment SVN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Log: * Use the new Exchange Smart Object in the E17 theme dialog (if exchange is installed) couple of comments: - as I reported to you the other day on irc, rating stars are over text description. This is because I use only one text object, there are 2 br after the version number that should leave enought space for the stars. One simple solution is to use 2 different text object per every theme, but I don't want to duplicate the number of objects in the scene. So the question is: why the textblock will render br differently on your machine? maybe we are using a different font? Someone else have the same problem? this is weird. as for the number of objects, for suche a small dialog, it shouldn't matter that much. - delay heavy operations before dialog is displayed. So far it takes a lot to show the window, which is very bad. (Some other E dialogs are like that, mainly those that deal with freedesktop.org .desktop files) Yes I know, exchange block the mainloop while dowloading and parsing the xml file. very bad. I'm working for a new nonblocking approach, will be up asap. if xml is big, you can send it to a thread... I guess libxml has no problems with that, just be sure to use no EFL calls there (including eina for now). BUT, why not use EET for files?! That would explore the potential of this nice format! And it should be faster, as well. anyway, I think that just adding the startup code to an idler or timer after window is displayed will improve user experience a lot. As always...thanks for testing :) you're welcome, testing is nothing compared to doing real code! :-) So thank you! -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
2008/12/10 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Enlightenment SVN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Log: * Use the new Exchange Smart Object in the E17 theme dialog (if exchange is installed) couple of comments: - as I reported to you the other day on irc, rating stars are over text description. This is because I use only one text object, there are 2 br after the version number that should leave enought space for the stars. One simple solution is to use 2 different text object per every theme, but I don't want to duplicate the number of objects in the scene. So the question is: why the textblock will render br differently on your machine? maybe we are using a different font? Someone else have the same problem? - delay heavy operations before dialog is displayed. So far it takes a lot to show the window, which is very bad. (Some other E dialogs are like that, mainly those that deal with freedesktop.org .desktop files) Yes I know, exchange block the mainloop while dowloading and parsing the xml file. very bad. I'm working for a new nonblocking approach, will be up asap. - scrollbar starts at 100%, when you click it goes to the real (or smaller) size. thanks didn't noticed. - local files lack description and screenshot IMO this is more a lack in the themes, I suggest to add the description and the screenshot directly inside every theme edje file. (Toma: ping) This could also be usefull in the exchange site, to autogenerate themes pages. You dont need images to preview Edje files. Theyre edje! iamsthithas original idea was to be able to fully generate a preview from the edje. If you make a fake little environment, wallpaper, a fake window, a shelf with 2 or 3 icons on it, you get the idea. The other problem in using an image is the size. A fully preview image would not compress that well with edje. The other option is to download the screenshot from exchange. IIRC the api does allow for this. I think if you have a good enough preview, then a description is not really needed. That being said, it would be easy enough to add more to the theme details spec. Toma. - please delay showing Download and other item buttons, it is annoying to move mouse over do go to scrollbar or something else and get a wave of things going in and out... ... I like the wave effect :) but you are right, need a deley As always...thanks for testing :) Dave but things are good, keep the good work. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/10 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Enlightenment SVN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Log: * Use the new Exchange Smart Object in the E17 theme dialog (if exchange is installed) couple of comments: - as I reported to you the other day on irc, rating stars are over text description. This is because I use only one text object, there are 2 br after the version number that should leave enought space for the stars. One simple solution is to use 2 different text object per every theme, but I don't want to duplicate the number of objects in the scene. So the question is: why the textblock will render br differently on your machine? maybe we are using a different font? Someone else have the same problem? - delay heavy operations before dialog is displayed. So far it takes a lot to show the window, which is very bad. (Some other E dialogs are like that, mainly those that deal with freedesktop.org .desktop files) Yes I know, exchange block the mainloop while dowloading and parsing the xml file. very bad. I'm working for a new nonblocking approach, will be up asap. - scrollbar starts at 100%, when you click it goes to the real (or smaller) size. thanks didn't noticed. - local files lack description and screenshot IMO this is more a lack in the themes, I suggest to add the description and the screenshot directly inside every theme edje file. (Toma: ping) This could also be usefull in the exchange site, to autogenerate themes pages. You dont need images to preview Edje files. Theyre edje! iamsthithas original idea was to be able to fully generate a preview from the edje. If you make a fake little environment, wallpaper, a fake window, a shelf with 2 or 3 icons on it, you get the idea. The other problem in using an image is the size. A fully preview image would not compress that well with edje. The other option is to download the screenshot from exchange. IIRC the api does allow for this. I think if you have a good enough preview, then a description is not really needed. That being said, it would be easy enough to add more to the theme details spec. creating live-edje previews is only doable if you use an extra canvas, render it there and then rescale. Although edje parts can be scalable, it must not be, and many parts are not... I'm for having 2 sizes preview with lossy compression, one for 128x128 and another for 512x512. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
- Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: 2008/12/10 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Enlightenment SVN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Log: * Use the new Exchange Smart Object in the E17 theme dialog (if exchange is installed) couple of comments: - as I reported to you the other day on irc, rating stars are over text description. This is because I use only one text object, there are 2 br after the version number that should leave enought space for the stars. One simple solution is to use 2 different text object per every theme, but I don't want to duplicate the number of objects in the scene. So the question is: why the textblock will render br differently on your machine? maybe we are using a different font? Someone else have the same problem? - delay heavy operations before dialog is displayed. So far it takes a lot to show the window, which is very bad. (Some other E dialogs are like that, mainly those that deal with freedesktop.org .desktop files) Yes I know, exchange block the mainloop while dowloading and parsing the xml file. very bad. I'm working for a new nonblocking approach, will be up asap. - scrollbar starts at 100%, when you click it goes to the real (or smaller) size. thanks didn't noticed. - local files lack description and screenshot IMO this is more a lack in the themes, I suggest to add the description and the screenshot directly inside every theme edje file. (Toma: ping) This could also be usefull in the exchange site, to autogenerate themes pages. You dont need images to preview Edje files. Theyre edje! iamsthithas original idea was to be able to fully generate a preview from the edje. If you make a fake little environment, wallpaper, a fake window, a shelf with 2 or 3 icons on it, you get the idea. The other problem in using an image is the size. A fully preview image would not compress that well with edje. The other option is to download the screenshot from exchange. IIRC the api does allow for this. I think if you have a good enough preview, then a description is not really needed. That being said, it would be easy enough to add more to the theme details spec. I don't want a full preview, I just need the small one, like the one I use in the exchange theme selector. they are around 10kb. Have you see the new exchange selector? If you want it to work well, ALSO offline and ALSO for themes that aren't on exchange, we need that 2 info inside the theme. I can't generate it because I want to keep it generic, not only for themes and I don't know what is inside the edje. Also generating an image for each theme could be expensive when I show you 100 themes. For the description...we really need to discuss this? Dave ALSO: if I have to download the theme AND the screenshot I will use the same HD space as it was inside the .edj...probably more as 2 files keep more space than 1. ;) Toma. - please delay showing Download and other item buttons, it is annoying to move mouse over do go to scrollbar or something else and get a wave of things going in and out... ... I like the wave effect :) but you are right, need a deley As always...thanks for testing :) Dave but things are good, keep the good work. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
The problem is not the parsing of xml stream, but the download of the stream. I used the libxml's internal url fopen wrapper to open the stream, imho we can have some benefit switching to ecore_file_download + parsing the saved file. 2008/12/9, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Enlightenment SVN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Log: * Use the new Exchange Smart Object in the E17 theme dialog (if exchange is installed) couple of comments: - as I reported to you the other day on irc, rating stars are over text description. This is because I use only one text object, there are 2 br after the version number that should leave enought space for the stars. One simple solution is to use 2 different text object per every theme, but I don't want to duplicate the number of objects in the scene. So the question is: why the textblock will render br differently on your machine? maybe we are using a different font? Someone else have the same problem? this is weird. as for the number of objects, for suche a small dialog, it shouldn't matter that much. - delay heavy operations before dialog is displayed. So far it takes a lot to show the window, which is very bad. (Some other E dialogs are like that, mainly those that deal with freedesktop.org .desktop files) Yes I know, exchange block the mainloop while dowloading and parsing the xml file. very bad. I'm working for a new nonblocking approach, will be up asap. if xml is big, you can send it to a thread... I guess libxml has no problems with that, just be sure to use no EFL calls there (including eina for now). BUT, why not use EET for files?! That would explore the potential of this nice format! And it should be faster, as well. anyway, I think that just adding the startup code to an idler or timer after window is displayed will improve user experience a lot. As always...thanks for testing :) you're welcome, testing is nothing compared to doing real code! :-) So thank you! -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Inviato dal mio dispositivo mobile -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/10 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Enlightenment SVN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Log: * Use the new Exchange Smart Object in the E17 theme dialog (if exchange is installed) couple of comments: - as I reported to you the other day on irc, rating stars are over text description. This is because I use only one text object, there are 2 br after the version number that should leave enought space for the stars. One simple solution is to use 2 different text object per every theme, but I don't want to duplicate the number of objects in the scene. So the question is: why the textblock will render br differently on your machine? maybe we are using a different font? Someone else have the same problem? - delay heavy operations before dialog is displayed. So far it takes a lot to show the window, which is very bad. (Some other E dialogs are like that, mainly those that deal with freedesktop.org .desktop files) Yes I know, exchange block the mainloop while dowloading and parsing the xml file. very bad. I'm working for a new nonblocking approach, will be up asap. - scrollbar starts at 100%, when you click it goes to the real (or smaller) size. thanks didn't noticed. - local files lack description and screenshot IMO this is more a lack in the themes, I suggest to add the description and the screenshot directly inside every theme edje file. (Toma: ping) This could also be usefull in the exchange site, to autogenerate themes pages. You dont need images to preview Edje files. Theyre edje! iamsthithas original idea was to be able to fully generate a preview from the edje. If you make a fake little environment, wallpaper, a fake window, a shelf with 2 or 3 icons on it, you get the idea. The other problem in using an image is the size. A fully preview image would not compress that well with edje. The other option is to download the screenshot from exchange. IIRC the api does allow for this. I think if you have a good enough preview, then a description is not really needed. That being said, it would be easy enough to add more to the theme details spec. creating live-edje previews is only doable if you use an extra canvas, render it there and then rescale. Although edje parts can be scalable, it must not be, and many parts are not... I'm for having 2 sizes preview with lossy compression, one for 128x128 and another for 512x512. This will be perfect for me, In this way I can also remake the cool zoom animation as the one on exchange site :) -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
One of the issues with preview images, is that people have been known to create previews using a totally different background than to what is included in the theme. Its happened twice on exchange so far and Ive had to request the themer fix up the preview, which they never do. Another issue that you might run into with descriptions, is translations. I know english is not the primary language of quite a few themers for E, even tho we have a large english speaking user base. Should we keep the door open to translations of descriptions? If so, how? As for the image, I see what you mean. Even if we did have a seperate group as a preview, a themer with a bit of talent could make a full interactive edje preview in that. Just scale down and make parts draggable. Or of course, just use an image. :) Ill put something together soon. Toma. 2008/12/10 Massimiliano Calamelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The problem is not the parsing of xml stream, but the download of the stream. I used the libxml's internal url fopen wrapper to open the stream, imho we can have some benefit switching to ecore_file_download + parsing the saved file. 2008/12/9, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Enlightenment SVN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Log: * Use the new Exchange Smart Object in the E17 theme dialog (if exchange is installed) couple of comments: - as I reported to you the other day on irc, rating stars are over text description. This is because I use only one text object, there are 2 br after the version number that should leave enought space for the stars. One simple solution is to use 2 different text object per every theme, but I don't want to duplicate the number of objects in the scene. So the question is: why the textblock will render br differently on your machine? maybe we are using a different font? Someone else have the same problem? this is weird. as for the number of objects, for suche a small dialog, it shouldn't matter that much. - delay heavy operations before dialog is displayed. So far it takes a lot to show the window, which is very bad. (Some other E dialogs are like that, mainly those that deal with freedesktop.org .desktop files) Yes I know, exchange block the mainloop while dowloading and parsing the xml file. very bad. I'm working for a new nonblocking approach, will be up asap. if xml is big, you can send it to a thread... I guess libxml has no problems with that, just be sure to use no EFL calls there (including eina for now). BUT, why not use EET for files?! That would explore the potential of this nice format! And it should be faster, as well. anyway, I think that just adding the startup code to an idler or timer after window is displayed will improve user experience a lot. As always...thanks for testing :) you're welcome, testing is nothing compared to doing real code! :-) So thank you! -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Inviato dal mio dispositivo mobile -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:03:28 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: - delay heavy operations before dialog is displayed. So far it takes a lot to show the window, which is very bad. (Some other E dialogs are like that, mainly those that deal with freedesktop.org .desktop files) Yes I know, exchange block the mainloop while dowloading and parsing the xml file. very bad. I'm working for a new nonblocking approach, will be up asap. if xml is big, you can send it to a thread... I guess libxml has no problems with that, just be sure to use no EFL calls there (including eina for now). parsing the xml file probably isnt the problem. it's (last i looked) use for curl which does a blocking dnslookup on the url (and i tried to find a way to turn this off in curl and make it async like core_con does - but it can;t) as well as the actual download. mind you - i am still a little bemused by the use of xml. since both client and server are written by the same team and are tightly tied together - is there any reason for needing a complex/heavy standard? a simple newline delimited text file would work just as well with less effort for example, or as below - eet would too. i am not saying to change it - i am just curious why xml? BUT, why not use EET for files?! That would explore the potential of this nice format! And it should be faster, as well. at least you'll get guaranteed compression :) anyway, I think that just adding the startup code to an idler or timer after window is displayed will improve user experience a lot. As always...thanks for testing :) you're welcome, testing is nothing compared to doing real code! :-) So thank you! -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:41:46 +0900 Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: 2008/12/10 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Enlightenment SVN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Log: * Use the new Exchange Smart Object in the E17 theme dialog (if exchange is installed) couple of comments: - as I reported to you the other day on irc, rating stars are over text description. This is because I use only one text object, there are 2 br after the version number that should leave enought space for the stars. One simple solution is to use 2 different text object per every theme, but I don't want to duplicate the number of objects in the scene. So the question is: why the textblock will render br differently on your machine? maybe we are using a different font? Someone else have the same problem? - delay heavy operations before dialog is displayed. So far it takes a lot to show the window, which is very bad. (Some other E dialogs are like that, mainly those that deal with freedesktop.org .desktop files) Yes I know, exchange block the mainloop while dowloading and parsing the xml file. very bad. I'm working for a new nonblocking approach, will be up asap. - scrollbar starts at 100%, when you click it goes to the real (or smaller) size. thanks didn't noticed. - local files lack description and screenshot IMO this is more a lack in the themes, I suggest to add the description and the screenshot directly inside every theme edje file. (Toma: ping) This could also be usefull in the exchange site, to autogenerate themes pages. You dont need images to preview Edje files. Theyre edje! iamsthithas original idea was to be able to fully generate a preview from the edje. If you make a fake little environment, wallpaper, a fake window, a shelf with 2 or 3 icons on it, you get the idea. The other problem in using an image is the size. A fully preview image would not compress that well with edje. The other option is to download the screenshot from exchange. IIRC the api does allow for this. I think if you have a good enough preview, then a description is not really needed. That being said, it would be easy enough to add more to the theme details spec. Toma. yup. exactly. previews should have a little fake environment with a bunch of objects/widgets laid out in a fixed diorama. this way previews are always consistent with the same things shown in the same way. these could be pre-rendered and downloaded from exchange as png's - but they should be generated from the .edj pragmatically. - please delay showing Download and other item buttons, it is annoying to move mouse over do go to scrollbar or something else and get a wave of things going in and out... ... I like the wave effect :) but you are right, need a deley As always...thanks for testing :) Dave but things are good, keep the good work. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code,
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:57:07 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/10 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Enlightenment SVN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Log: * Use the new Exchange Smart Object in the E17 theme dialog (if exchange is installed) couple of comments: - as I reported to you the other day on irc, rating stars are over text description. This is because I use only one text object, there are 2 br after the version number that should leave enought space for the stars. One simple solution is to use 2 different text object per every theme, but I don't want to duplicate the number of objects in the scene. So the question is: why the textblock will render br differently on your machine? maybe we are using a different font? Someone else have the same problem? - delay heavy operations before dialog is displayed. So far it takes a lot to show the window, which is very bad. (Some other E dialogs are like that, mainly those that deal with freedesktop.org .desktop files) Yes I know, exchange block the mainloop while dowloading and parsing the xml file. very bad. I'm working for a new nonblocking approach, will be up asap. - scrollbar starts at 100%, when you click it goes to the real (or smaller) size. thanks didn't noticed. - local files lack description and screenshot IMO this is more a lack in the themes, I suggest to add the description and the screenshot directly inside every theme edje file. (Toma: ping) This could also be usefull in the exchange site, to autogenerate themes pages. You dont need images to preview Edje files. Theyre edje! iamsthithas original idea was to be able to fully generate a preview from the edje. If you make a fake little environment, wallpaper, a fake window, a shelf with 2 or 3 icons on it, you get the idea. The other problem in using an image is the size. A fully preview image would not compress that well with edje. The other option is to download the screenshot from exchange. IIRC the api does allow for this. I think if you have a good enough preview, then a description is not really needed. That being said, it would be easy enough to add more to the theme details spec. creating live-edje previews is only doable if you use an extra canvas, render it there and then rescale. Although edje parts can be scalable, it must not be, and many parts are not... I'm for having 2 sizes preview with lossy compression, one for 128x128 and another for 512x512. e has a livethumb object just for this purpose... :) (live scaled down previews). if u have a full edje file - e's thumbnailer just needs to be smarter about generating thumbs for themes as all it does it generate the wallpaper of the theme. that reminds me... epsilon could do with replacing e_thumb? -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 10:20 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:57:07 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/10 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Enlightenment SVN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Log: * Use the new Exchange Smart Object in the E17 theme dialog (if exchange is installed) couple of comments: - as I reported to you the other day on irc, rating stars are over text description. This is because I use only one text object, there are 2 br after the version number that should leave enought space for the stars. One simple solution is to use 2 different text object per every theme, but I don't want to duplicate the number of objects in the scene. So the question is: why the textblock will render br differently on your machine? maybe we are using a different font? Someone else have the same problem? - delay heavy operations before dialog is displayed. So far it takes a lot to show the window, which is very bad. (Some other E dialogs are like that, mainly those that deal with freedesktop.org .desktop files) Yes I know, exchange block the mainloop while dowloading and parsing the xml file. very bad. I'm working for a new nonblocking approach, will be up asap. - scrollbar starts at 100%, when you click it goes to the real (or smaller) size. thanks didn't noticed. - local files lack description and screenshot IMO this is more a lack in the themes, I suggest to add the description and the screenshot directly inside every theme edje file. (Toma: ping) This could also be usefull in the exchange site, to autogenerate themes pages. You dont need images to preview Edje files. Theyre edje! iamsthithas original idea was to be able to fully generate a preview from the edje. If you make a fake little environment, wallpaper, a fake window, a shelf with 2 or 3 icons on it, you get the idea. The other problem in using an image is the size. A fully preview image would not compress that well with edje. The other option is to download the screenshot from exchange. IIRC the api does allow for this. I think if you have a good enough preview, then a description is not really needed. That being said, it would be easy enough to add more to the theme details spec. creating live-edje previews is only doable if you use an extra canvas, render it there and then rescale. Although edje parts can be scalable, it must not be, and many parts are not... I'm for having 2 sizes preview with lossy compression, one for 128x128 and another for 512x512. e has a livethumb object just for this purpose... :) (live scaled down previews). if u have a full edje file - e's thumbnailer just needs to be smarter about generating thumbs for themes as all it does it generate the wallpaper of the theme. that reminds me... epsilon could do with replacing e_thumb? Was wondering about that. Why isn't epsilon used to generate thumbnails for E? I've no idea what the fileman/file dialogs use for thumbnails of files, but it's not epsilon. -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:31:30 +0100 Viktor Kojouharov [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: e has a livethumb object just for this purpose... :) (live scaled down previews). if u have a full edje file - e's thumbnailer just needs to be smarter about generating thumbs for themes as all it does it generate the wallpaper of the theme. that reminds me... epsilon could do with replacing e_thumb? Was wondering about that. Why isn't epsilon used to generate thumbnails for E? I've no idea what the fileman/file dialogs use for thumbnails of files, but it's not epsilon. epsilon would have dragged in imlib2 as a dep and i didn't want that - it did scaling and so on with imlib2, and i used evas to do it. now epsilon has been slowly fixed over time :) it still needs to be able to generate thumbs of themes etc. sensibly - but e's thumbnailer cant do that currently either. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
