Re: [E-devel] EFL in embedded devices... which devices?

2008-10-25 Thread Sevcsik András
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Vincent Torri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008, Toma wrote:
>
> > 2008/10/10 Vincent Torri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >> Hey Sevcsik !
> >>
> >>> I have a Nokia N82, and I'm motivated :) I don't have experience with
> the
> >>> Symbian SDK yet, but later you can count with me.
> >>>
> >>> Of course I can test stuff any time.
> >>>
>  I've seen that we can use the gdi or open gl es. gdi can be slow. open
> gl
>  es should be very easy to port as most of the gl code is here, so we
> need
>  someone who implement it in evas. It should not be very difficult.
> Another
>  solution would be to access the framebuffer.
> >>
> >> Then, you can begin by something easy. We can try the framebuffer.
> Create
> >> a small test program that do the following:
> >>
> >>  * create a fullscreen window
> >>  * set up the event loop or whatever it is, for keys and pen management
> >>  * configure the window for framebuffer. In particular you should be
> able
> >> to know the size of the screen, the pitch and the start adress of the
> >> frame buffer. Maybe the depth of the screen too (certainly 16 bits 565)
> >>  * create a function that display a rectangle at position (x,y) of size
> >> (w,h) with color c (16bits color in rgb 565). use that function in the
> >> main program to display:
> >>   - a black rectangle at pos (0, 0), size the size of the screen, c = 0)
> >> to fill the screen in black
> >>   - a red rectangle at pos (10, 10), size (50, 80) c = 0xe800)
> >>  * When you click on the red rectangle with the pen, you exit the
> program
> >>
> >> Once you have that, you have almost the software engine for your nokia
> and
> >> expedite too.
> >>
> >
> > On a side note, there is a port of SDL to s60 format, and of course,
> python.
> > http://koti.mbnet.fi/mertama/sdl.html
> > http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/
> > Hope that covers a little ground work :)
>
> That's the easy and slow (i mean speed of engine) way. Let's do the hard
> and fast way !
>
> Vincent
>

I think Symbian v3 has some hardware acceleration, but using that would
break compatibility with older devices.


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Re: [E-devel] EFL in embedded devices... which devices?

2008-10-10 Thread Vincent Torri


On Fri, 10 Oct 2008, Toma wrote:

> 2008/10/10 Vincent Torri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> Hey Sevcsik !
>>
>>> I have a Nokia N82, and I'm motivated :) I don't have experience with the
>>> Symbian SDK yet, but later you can count with me.
>>>
>>> Of course I can test stuff any time.
>>>
 I've seen that we can use the gdi or open gl es. gdi can be slow. open gl
 es should be very easy to port as most of the gl code is here, so we need
 someone who implement it in evas. It should not be very difficult. Another
 solution would be to access the framebuffer.
>>
>> Then, you can begin by something easy. We can try the framebuffer. Create
>> a small test program that do the following:
>>
>>  * create a fullscreen window
>>  * set up the event loop or whatever it is, for keys and pen management
>>  * configure the window for framebuffer. In particular you should be able
>> to know the size of the screen, the pitch and the start adress of the
>> frame buffer. Maybe the depth of the screen too (certainly 16 bits 565)
>>  * create a function that display a rectangle at position (x,y) of size
>> (w,h) with color c (16bits color in rgb 565). use that function in the
>> main program to display:
>>   - a black rectangle at pos (0, 0), size the size of the screen, c = 0)
>> to fill the screen in black
>>   - a red rectangle at pos (10, 10), size (50, 80) c = 0xe800)
>>  * When you click on the red rectangle with the pen, you exit the program
>>
>> Once you have that, you have almost the software engine for your nokia and
>> expedite too.
>>
>
> On a side note, there is a port of SDL to s60 format, and of course, python.
> http://koti.mbnet.fi/mertama/sdl.html
> http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/
> Hope that covers a little ground work :)

That's the easy and slow (i mean speed of engine) way. Let's do the hard 
and fast way !

Vincent

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Re: [E-devel] EFL in embedded devices... which devices?

2008-10-10 Thread Toma
2008/10/10 Vincent Torri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hey Sevcsik !
>
>> I have a Nokia N82, and I'm motivated :) I don't have experience with the
>> Symbian SDK yet, but later you can count with me.
>>
>> Of course I can test stuff any time.
>>
>>> I've seen that we can use the gdi or open gl es. gdi can be slow. open gl
>>> es should be very easy to port as most of the gl code is here, so we need
>>> someone who implement it in evas. It should not be very difficult. Another
>>> solution would be to access the framebuffer.
>
> Then, you can begin by something easy. We can try the framebuffer. Create
> a small test program that do the following:
>
>  * create a fullscreen window
>  * set up the event loop or whatever it is, for keys and pen management
>  * configure the window for framebuffer. In particular you should be able
> to know the size of the screen, the pitch and the start adress of the
> frame buffer. Maybe the depth of the screen too (certainly 16 bits 565)
>  * create a function that display a rectangle at position (x,y) of size
> (w,h) with color c (16bits color in rgb 565). use that function in the
> main program to display:
>   - a black rectangle at pos (0, 0), size the size of the screen, c = 0)
> to fill the screen in black
>   - a red rectangle at pos (10, 10), size (50, 80) c = 0xe800)
>  * When you click on the red rectangle with the pen, you exit the program
>
> Once you have that, you have almost the software engine for your nokia and
> expedite too.
>

On a side note, there is a port of SDL to s60 format, and of course, python.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/mertama/sdl.html
http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/
Hope that covers a little ground work :)

Toma

> good luck !
>
> Vincent
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Re: [E-devel] EFL in embedded devices... which devices?

2008-10-10 Thread Vincent Torri

Hey Sevcsik !

> I have a Nokia N82, and I'm motivated :) I don't have experience with the
> Symbian SDK yet, but later you can count with me.
>
> Of course I can test stuff any time.
>
>> I've seen that we can use the gdi or open gl es. gdi can be slow. open gl
>> es should be very easy to port as most of the gl code is here, so we need
>> someone who implement it in evas. It should not be very difficult. Another
>> solution would be to access the framebuffer.

Then, you can begin by something easy. We can try the framebuffer. Create 
a small test program that do the following:

  * create a fullscreen window
  * set up the event loop or whatever it is, for keys and pen management
  * configure the window for framebuffer. In particular you should be able 
to know the size of the screen, the pitch and the start adress of the 
frame buffer. Maybe the depth of the screen too (certainly 16 bits 565)
  * create a function that display a rectangle at position (x,y) of size 
(w,h) with color c (16bits color in rgb 565). use that function in the 
main program to display:
   - a black rectangle at pos (0, 0), size the size of the screen, c = 0) 
to fill the screen in black
   - a red rectangle at pos (10, 10), size (50, 80) c = 0xe800)
  * When you click on the red rectangle with the pen, you exit the program

Once you have that, you have almost the software engine for your nokia and 
expedite too.

good luck !

Vincent

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Re: [E-devel] EFL in embedded devices... which devices?

2008-10-10 Thread Sevcsik András
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Vincent Torri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Diogo Dutra wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Atton Jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >> hum with cedric and caro we thought  about porting efl on Symbian, this
> is
> >> not a device but symbian works on embedded device :)
> >> Our idea is to have eyelight on a phone as the nokia n95 and try to
> display
> >> the presentation on a video projector with the phone.
> >
> > It sounds great to me! Symbian is a great market for embedded, and I
> > will love efl in it. Have you anything did about this? Or it is only
> > speculations?
>
> Only speculations. We need someone who have a symbian device, who knows
> how to deal with graphics with it and who is motivated to port evas and
> ecore to symbian.


I have a Nokia N82, and I'm motivated :) I don't have experience with the
Symbian SDK yet, but later you can count with me.

Of course I can test stuff any time.

I've seen that we can use the gdi or open gl es. gdi can be slow. open gl
> es should be very easy to port as most of the gl code is here, so we need
> someone who implement it in evas. It should not be very difficult. Another
> solution would be to access the framebuffer.
>
> cedric and I are too busy to really take time for that port. But we can
> help such person, of course.
>
> Vincent
>
> PS: I'm 'caro'
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Re: [E-devel] EFL in embedded devices... which devices?

2008-10-07 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:21:37 +0200 (CEST) Vincent Torri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:

> > compaq ipaq3660
> 
> with pocketpc ? or linux ? :p

linux of course!

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Re: [E-devel] EFL in embedded devices... which devices?

2008-10-07 Thread Vincent Torri


On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:

> On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:47:50 -0300 "Diogo Dutra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
>
>> Hi guys,
>> My question is simple, but I dont found the answer...
>> What embedded systems EFL was ported?
>> I known openmoko and maemo, which others systems support EFL too?
>>
>> I am interested to develop efl in embedded devices, so I want to know
>> what is the systems to develop for.
>
> anything openembedded works on. efl doesn't "need porting". it's ported. it
> works. all you need to do is compile it for your target. if it runs linux at
> any rate - embedded is just linux with a different architecture for the cpu.
> that's all. but if you MUST have a list of things that i have personally run
> EFL stuff on:
>
> compaq ipaq3660

with pocketpc ? or linux ? :p

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Re: [E-devel] EFL in embedded devices... which devices?

2008-10-07 Thread Vincent Torri


On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Diogo Dutra wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Atton Jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> hum with cedric and caro we thought  about porting efl on Symbian, this is
>> not a device but symbian works on embedded device :)
>> Our idea is to have eyelight on a phone as the nokia n95 and try to display
>> the presentation on a video projector with the phone.
>
> It sounds great to me! Symbian is a great market for embedded, and I
> will love efl in it. Have you anything did about this? Or it is only
> speculations?

Only speculations. We need someone who have a symbian device, who knows 
how to deal with graphics with it and who is motivated to port evas and 
ecore to symbian.

I've seen that we can use the gdi or open gl es. gdi can be slow. open gl 
es should be very easy to port as most of the gl code is here, so we need 
someone who implement it in evas. It should not be very difficult. Another 
solution would be to access the framebuffer.

cedric and I are too busy to really take time for that port. But we can 
help such person, of course.

Vincent

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Re: [E-devel] EFL in embedded devices... which devices?

2008-10-07 Thread Diogo Dutra
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Atton Jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hum with cedric and caro we thought  about porting efl on Symbian, this is
> not a device but symbian works on embedded device :)
> Our idea is to have eyelight on a phone as the nokia n95 and try to display
> the presentation on a video projector with the phone.
It sounds great to me! Symbian is a great market for embedded, and I
will love efl in it. Have you anything did about this? Or it is only
speculations?

>
> 2008/10/7 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Diogo Dutra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Hi guys,
>> > My question is simple, but I dont found the answer...
>> > What embedded systems EFL was ported?
>> > I known openmoko and maemo, which others systems support EFL too?
>>
>>  - arm imx31 and possible others freescale systems (we have imx31 running
>> e17)
>>  - xscale/arm intel ce2110 (set top box, digital tv)
>>  - mips box for set top boxes, by free.fr
>>
>>
>> > I am interested to develop efl in embedded devices, so I want to know
>> > what is the systems to develop for.
>>
>> the one you have :-)
>>
>> really, linux should abstract most of stuff. what's often required to
>> change is the media pipelines in the case you use gstreamer/ffmpeg.
>>
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Re: [E-devel] EFL in embedded devices... which devices?

2008-10-07 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:47:50 -0300 "Diogo Dutra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> Hi guys,
> My question is simple, but I dont found the answer...
> What embedded systems EFL was ported?
> I known openmoko and maemo, which others systems support EFL too?
> 
> I am interested to develop efl in embedded devices, so I want to know
> what is the systems to develop for.

anything openembedded works on. efl doesn't "need porting". it's ported. it
works. all you need to do is compile it for your target. if it runs linux at
any rate - embedded is just linux with a different architecture for the cpu.
that's all. but if you MUST have a list of things that i have personally run
EFL stuff on:

compaq ipaq3660
sharp zaurus sl-5000
sharp zaurus sl-c860
openmoko gta01
openmoko gta02
nokia n800


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Re: [E-devel] EFL in embedded devices... which devices?

2008-10-07 Thread Vincent Torri


Ounnn, everyone forgot Windows CE based devices.

Not completely ready, though. I'm working on it, these days.

Vincent

On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Atton Jonathan wrote:


hum with cedric and caro we thought  about porting efl on Symbian, this is
not a device but symbian works on embedded device :)
Our idea is to have eyelight on a phone as the nokia n95 and try to display
the presentation on a video projector with the phone.

2008/10/7 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Diogo Dutra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi guys,
My question is simple, but I dont found the answer...
What embedded systems EFL was ported?
I known openmoko and maemo, which others systems support EFL too?


 - arm imx31 and possible others freescale systems (we have imx31 running
e17)
 - xscale/arm intel ce2110 (set top box, digital tv)
 - mips box for set top boxes, by free.fr



I am interested to develop efl in embedded devices, so I want to know
what is the systems to develop for.


the one you have :-)

really, linux should abstract most of stuff. what's often required to
change is the media pipelines in the case you use gstreamer/ffmpeg.

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Re: [E-devel] EFL in embedded devices... which devices?

2008-10-07 Thread Eduardo Lima (Etrunko)
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Atton Jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hum with cedric and caro we thought  about porting efl on Symbian, this is
> not a device but symbian works on embedded device :)
> Our idea is to have eyelight on a phone as the nokia n95 and try to display
> the presentation on a video projector with the phone.
>

This is something I'd love to see! :) If I'm not wrong, you should
follow the openc project. I haven't tried it, but it seems to be very
straightforward.

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Re: [E-devel] EFL in embedded devices... which devices?

2008-10-07 Thread Atton Jonathan
hum with cedric and caro we thought  about porting efl on Symbian, this is
not a device but symbian works on embedded device :)
Our idea is to have eyelight on a phone as the nokia n95 and try to display
the presentation on a video projector with the phone.

2008/10/7 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Diogo Dutra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> > My question is simple, but I dont found the answer...
> > What embedded systems EFL was ported?
> > I known openmoko and maemo, which others systems support EFL too?
>
>  - arm imx31 and possible others freescale systems (we have imx31 running
> e17)
>  - xscale/arm intel ce2110 (set top box, digital tv)
>  - mips box for set top boxes, by free.fr
>
>
> > I am interested to develop efl in embedded devices, so I want to know
> > what is the systems to develop for.
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> really, linux should abstract most of stuff. what's often required to
> change is the media pipelines in the case you use gstreamer/ffmpeg.
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Re: [E-devel] EFL in embedded devices... which devices?

2008-10-07 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Diogo Dutra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi guys,
> My question is simple, but I dont found the answer...
> What embedded systems EFL was ported?
> I known openmoko and maemo, which others systems support EFL too?

 - arm imx31 and possible others freescale systems (we have imx31 running e17)
 - xscale/arm intel ce2110 (set top box, digital tv)
 - mips box for set top boxes, by free.fr


> I am interested to develop efl in embedded devices, so I want to know
> what is the systems to develop for.

the one you have :-)

really, linux should abstract most of stuff. what's often required to
change is the media pipelines in the case you use gstreamer/ffmpeg.

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[E-devel] EFL in embedded devices... which devices?

2008-10-07 Thread Diogo Dutra
Hi guys,
My question is simple, but I dont found the answer...
What embedded systems EFL was ported?
I known openmoko and maemo, which others systems support EFL too?

I am interested to develop efl in embedded devices, so I want to know
what is the systems to develop for.

Thank you.

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