[E-devel] Fwd: help with web site
Hello All, I have been talking to Raster and Gustavo on a side thread and have gotten the e site running on my personal server. I will be reviewing the wish list / suggestion items from the thread, as well as the items Gustavo mentions below and will begin work in the next day or two. Please feel free to email me directly if there are specific items that others feel are important to realize. I do not wish to get in the middle of the discussion being a new egg and all ;-), so please try to keep the list to something manageable and specific so that I can hit the mark on what improvements everyone would like to see. You can review my dev area at: http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=indexl=en I’ve pasted Gustavo’s note here so you don’t have to dig: 2. rework content, from easiest to complicated (convoluted). The overall rule is make the text look as professional as possible, short and direct. Let's avoid explaining/justify/clarify too much. Our rules and technical decisions are that, period. Technical details goes to trac/wiki, if not there already. Link there whenever appropriated, edit wiki to match the removed/moved information. 2.1. Contribute (see our mail discussion, lots of stuff should be linked or go to wiki, part of that is there already, like coding style...) 2.2. Support (good, but would use some text simplification to make it shorter and more direct) 2.3. About (good, but if could be simplified and more direct, then awesome -- we could use a link to youtube/vimeo with a showcase of E17 and Elementary there, maybe 2 with different themes) 2.4. Documentation (I'd like to remove it in the long go, but so far we must integrate the EFL docs at the end with the one at the top) 2.5. Download keep just the packages, move the debian deps to wiki. The packages list needs confirmation of their validity, Gentoo is okay (I'm an user). Ask e-users and #e to see if the references there are valid. (Ubuntu is definitely broken, from 2005 and still refers to CVS! Ask Lutin for his packages) 2.6. Contact (rework to integrate better with devmap, we'll move it as a sub-page from Contribute and Support) 3. Layout changes. First, Raster's goal: keep a flat page, with easily accessible content, more important first. Problem is that abusing 3 column layout is no go for most people setup, remembering that lots of people run 1024x768 at 96dpi, you end with fairly thin columns. This should be easier after step #2. Thanks, Jess Begin forwarded message: From: Jesse Charbneau j...@thecharbneaus.com Date: November 10, 2010 8:10:18 PM EST To: Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi Cc: Jesse Charbneau j...@thecharbneaus.com, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com, Luis Felipe Strano Moraes lfel...@profusion.mobi Subject: Re: help with web site Hey Gustavo, Item 1 is complete and the site now works as expected: http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php On the below items, I’ll collate everything below and from the mailing list into something concise for everyone to review. Will try and have that to you over the weekend and will begin with some of the more obvious wish list items. Thanks, Jess On Nov 10, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Jesse Charbneau j...@thecharbneaus.com wrote: Ok. Gustavo, Please let me know what needs to be done and I will get started this weekend. Hi Jesse, Sorry taking so long to reply, I'm doing some work stuff as I need to travel to Korea to meet our dear Raster in person... That also mean I'll be changing to Korean time zone from Saturday to the next Friday. The weekends I'll be traveling, so don't wait for my replies on those dates. When I'm back i'll try to help with actual code as well as talking to our designers about visual changes. So, let's try to agree on a schedule to be done by the end of Friday 19th, then we reevaluate. I'd like to see done by then: 1. proper clone site (just fix the issues you found with your setup 2. rework content, from easiest to complicated (convoluted). The overall rule is make the text look as professional as possible, short and direct. Let's avoid explaining/justify/clarify too much. Our rules and technical decisions are that, period. Technical details goes to trac/wiki, if not there already. Link there whenever appropriated, edit wiki to match the removed/moved information. 2.1. Contribute (see our mail discussion, lots of stuff should be linked or go to wiki, part of that is there already, like coding style...) 2.2. Support (good, but would use some text simplification to make it shorter and more direct) 2.3. About (good, but if could be simplified and more direct, then awesome -- we could use a link to youtube/vimeo with a showcase of E17 and Elementary there, maybe 2 with different themes) 2.4.
Re: [E-devel] Fwd: help with web site
#1 hate to say it but the current design is not great, the menu system is decent but the artwork / pages are half assed (no offense). but they have not gotten too much TLC... your best bet is to start from ground zero and remember don't ask permission to do it... just do it and make change and then present it, as we're never going to all agree. On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Jesse Charbneau j...@thecharbneaus.comwrote: Hello All, I have been talking to Raster and Gustavo on a side thread and have gotten the e site running on my personal server. I will be reviewing the wish list / suggestion items from the thread, as well as the items Gustavo mentions below and will begin work in the next day or two. Please feel free to email me directly if there are specific items that others feel are important to realize. I do not wish to get in the middle of the discussion being a new egg and all ;-), so please try to keep the list to something manageable and specific so that I can hit the mark on what improvements everyone would like to see. You can review my dev area at: http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=indexl=en I’ve pasted Gustavo’s note here so you don’t have to dig: 2. rework content, from easiest to complicated (convoluted). The overall rule is make the text look as professional as possible, short and direct. Let's avoid explaining/justify/clarify too much. Our rules and technical decisions are that, period. Technical details goes to trac/wiki, if not there already. Link there whenever appropriated, edit wiki to match the removed/moved information. 2.1. Contribute (see our mail discussion, lots of stuff should be linked or go to wiki, part of that is there already, like coding style...) 2.2. Support (good, but would use some text simplification to make it shorter and more direct) 2.3. About (good, but if could be simplified and more direct, then awesome -- we could use a link to youtube/vimeo with a showcase of E17 and Elementary there, maybe 2 with different themes) 2.4. Documentation (I'd like to remove it in the long go, but so far we must integrate the EFL docs at the end with the one at the top) 2.5. Download keep just the packages, move the debian deps to wiki. The packages list needs confirmation of their validity, Gentoo is okay (I'm an user). Ask e-users and #e to see if the references there are valid. (Ubuntu is definitely broken, from 2005 and still refers to CVS! Ask Lutin for his packages) 2.6. Contact (rework to integrate better with devmap, we'll move it as a sub-page from Contribute and Support) 3. Layout changes. First, Raster's goal: keep a flat page, with easily accessible content, more important first. Problem is that abusing 3 column layout is no go for most people setup, remembering that lots of people run 1024x768 at 96dpi, you end with fairly thin columns. This should be easier after step #2. Thanks, Jess Begin forwarded message: From: Jesse Charbneau j...@thecharbneaus.com Date: November 10, 2010 8:10:18 PM EST To: Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi Cc: Jesse Charbneau j...@thecharbneaus.com, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com, Luis Felipe Strano Moraes lfel...@profusion.mobi Subject: Re: help with web site Hey Gustavo, Item 1 is complete and the site now works as expected: http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php On the below items, I’ll collate everything below and from the mailing list into something concise for everyone to review. Will try and have that to you over the weekend and will begin with some of the more obvious wish list items. Thanks, Jess On Nov 10, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Jesse Charbneau j...@thecharbneaus.com wrote: Ok. Gustavo, Please let me know what needs to be done and I will get started this weekend. Hi Jesse, Sorry taking so long to reply, I'm doing some work stuff as I need to travel to Korea to meet our dear Raster in person... That also mean I'll be changing to Korean time zone from Saturday to the next Friday. The weekends I'll be traveling, so don't wait for my replies on those dates. When I'm back i'll try to help with actual code as well as talking to our designers about visual changes. So, let's try to agree on a schedule to be done by the end of Friday 19th, then we reevaluate. I'd like to see done by then: 1. proper clone site (just fix the issues you found with your setup 2. rework content, from easiest to complicated (convoluted). The overall rule is make the text look as professional as possible, short and direct. Let's avoid explaining/justify/clarify too much. Our rules and technical decisions are that, period. Technical details goes to trac/wiki, if not there already. Link there whenever appropriated, edit wiki to match the
Re: [E-devel] Fwd: help with web site
best of luck tho and keep us posted! On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Ian Caldwell inchost...@gmail.com wrote: #1 hate to say it but the current design is not great, the menu system is decent but the artwork / pages are half assed (no offense). but they have not gotten too much TLC... your best bet is to start from ground zero and remember don't ask permission to do it... just do it and make change and then present it, as we're never going to all agree. On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Jesse Charbneau j...@thecharbneaus.comwrote: Hello All, I have been talking to Raster and Gustavo on a side thread and have gotten the e site running on my personal server. I will be reviewing the wish list / suggestion items from the thread, as well as the items Gustavo mentions below and will begin work in the next day or two. Please feel free to email me directly if there are specific items that others feel are important to realize. I do not wish to get in the middle of the discussion being a new egg and all ;-), so please try to keep the list to something manageable and specific so that I can hit the mark on what improvements everyone would like to see. You can review my dev area at: http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php?p=indexl=en I’ve pasted Gustavo’s note here so you don’t have to dig: 2. rework content, from easiest to complicated (convoluted). The overall rule is make the text look as professional as possible, short and direct. Let's avoid explaining/justify/clarify too much. Our rules and technical decisions are that, period. Technical details goes to trac/wiki, if not there already. Link there whenever appropriated, edit wiki to match the removed/moved information. 2.1. Contribute (see our mail discussion, lots of stuff should be linked or go to wiki, part of that is there already, like coding style...) 2.2. Support (good, but would use some text simplification to make it shorter and more direct) 2.3. About (good, but if could be simplified and more direct, then awesome -- we could use a link to youtube/vimeo with a showcase of E17 and Elementary there, maybe 2 with different themes) 2.4. Documentation (I'd like to remove it in the long go, but so far we must integrate the EFL docs at the end with the one at the top) 2.5. Download keep just the packages, move the debian deps to wiki. The packages list needs confirmation of their validity, Gentoo is okay (I'm an user). Ask e-users and #e to see if the references there are valid. (Ubuntu is definitely broken, from 2005 and still refers to CVS! Ask Lutin for his packages) 2.6. Contact (rework to integrate better with devmap, we'll move it as a sub-page from Contribute and Support) 3. Layout changes. First, Raster's goal: keep a flat page, with easily accessible content, more important first. Problem is that abusing 3 column layout is no go for most people setup, remembering that lots of people run 1024x768 at 96dpi, you end with fairly thin columns. This should be easier after step #2. Thanks, Jess Begin forwarded message: From: Jesse Charbneau j...@thecharbneaus.com Date: November 10, 2010 8:10:18 PM EST To: Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi Cc: Jesse Charbneau j...@thecharbneaus.com, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com, Luis Felipe Strano Moraes lfel...@profusion.mobi Subject: Re: help with web site Hey Gustavo, Item 1 is complete and the site now works as expected: http://e-www.thecharbneaus.com/p.php On the below items, I’ll collate everything below and from the mailing list into something concise for everyone to review. Will try and have that to you over the weekend and will begin with some of the more obvious wish list items. Thanks, Jess On Nov 10, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Jesse Charbneau j...@thecharbneaus.com wrote: Ok. Gustavo, Please let me know what needs to be done and I will get started this weekend. Hi Jesse, Sorry taking so long to reply, I'm doing some work stuff as I need to travel to Korea to meet our dear Raster in person... That also mean I'll be changing to Korean time zone from Saturday to the next Friday. The weekends I'll be traveling, so don't wait for my replies on those dates. When I'm back i'll try to help with actual code as well as talking to our designers about visual changes. So, let's try to agree on a schedule to be done by the end of Friday 19th, then we reevaluate. I'd like to see done by then: 1. proper clone site (just fix the issues you found with your setup 2. rework content, from easiest to complicated (convoluted). The overall rule is make the text look as professional as possible, short and direct. Let's avoid explaining/justify/clarify too much. Our rules and technical decisions are that, period.
