Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2012....
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:52 PM, ravenlock ravenl...@ravenlock.us wrote: All, Google has announce Google Summer of Code 2012. This is the event's eighth year running. Google Summer of Code is a summertime event in which students are encouraged to participate with Open Source organizations. These students are provided a significant stipend for their summertime efforts. Organizations provide structure, guidance, and mentorship over the summer months while the students work towards the completion of a personal project. While students are encouraged to bring their own ideas to the table, students are also provided an Ideas Page from which they can choose. We are presently in the process of determining available resources and bandwidth for our participation. Our 2012 ideas page is in it's infancy, a link will be posted shortly. In order to learn more about the event please visit the Blog [1] or the FAQ [2]. If you are interested in participating as student please join us on Freenode in #e or #edevelop and let us know. nothing to be done there : http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Events ? Vincent Regards, Ravenlock [1] - http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2012/02/google-summer-of-code-2012-is-on.html [2] - http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2012....
All, Google has announce Google Summer of Code 2012. This is the event's eighth year running. Google Summer of Code is a summertime event in which students are encouraged to participate with Open Source organizations. These students are provided a significant stipend for their summertime efforts. Organizations provide structure, guidance, and mentorship over the summer months while the students work towards the completion of a personal project. While students are encouraged to bring their own ideas to the table, students are also provided an Ideas Page from which they can choose. We are presently in the process of determining available resources and bandwidth for our participation. Our 2012 ideas page is in it's infancy, a link will be posted shortly. In order to learn more about the event please visit the Blog [1] or the FAQ [2]. If you are interested in participating as student please join us on Freenode in #e or #edevelop and let us know. Regards, Ravenlock [1] - http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2012/02/google-summer-of-code-2012-is-on.html [2] - http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2011 Application....
On Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:04:13 +0100 (CET) Vincent Torri vto...@univ-evry.fr said: On Fri, 4 Mar 2011, Andrey Riabushenko wrote: As I an extra idea for GSoc2010: support for wayland. Mentors? raster had an opinion about Wayland and the EFL. I can't remember exactly what he wanted. You should ask him directly, or write a new thread with an explicit subject, otherwise he can miss it (it seems he has a lot of mails). i don't have time to mentor - but let me just say this - to do wayland support you are firstly taking on support for a display system that is very immature and VERY hard to develop for or even get up and running, secondly - you'd better know what you are doing to do it, third - it, like all display systems that have come before it to try and beat x11, has a high probability of failure. nothing has beaten x to date. fourth - if you were to do it - i'd expect not just implementation of display AND input (evas + ecore), but i'd also expect an implementation of a wayland display SERVER using EFL. that basically means making a wayland window manager+compositor using EFL. Ravenlock ravenl...@ravenlock.us ÿÿ: All, We have officially submitted our application to become a Mentoring Organization for the Google Summer of Code 2011. We are very hopeful of its acceptance. We have a nice pool of eager mentors as well as an ideas page that is growing daily. Our ideas page can be found here: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/GSoC_2011_Project_Ideas If you are an interested student, please take a look. Feel free to e-mail the mailing lists with ideas for discussion, or to jump into IRC. We can be reached in #e on chat.freenode.net -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2011 Application....
On Fri, 4 Mar 2011, Andrey Riabushenko wrote: As I an extra idea for GSoc2010: support for wayland. Mentors? raster had an opinion about Wayland and the EFL. I can't remember exactly what he wanted. You should ask him directly, or write a new thread with an explicit subject, otherwise he can miss it (it seems he has a lot of mails). Vincent Ravenlock ravenl...@ravenlock.us ÿÿ: All, We have officially submitted our application to become a Mentoring Organization for the Google Summer of Code 2011. We are very hopeful of its acceptance. We have a nice pool of eager mentors as well as an ideas page that is growing daily. Our ideas page can be found here: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/GSoC_2011_Project_Ideas If you are an interested student, please take a look. Feel free to e-mail the mailing lists with ideas for discussion, or to jump into IRC. We can be reached in #e on chat.freenode.net -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2011 Application....
All, We have officially submitted our application to become a Mentoring Organization for the Google Summer of Code 2011. We are very hopeful of its acceptance. We have a nice pool of eager mentors as well as an ideas page that is growing daily. Our ideas page can be found here: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/GSoC_2011_Project_Ideas If you are an interested student, please take a look. Feel free to e-mail the mailing lists with ideas for discussion, or to jump into IRC. We can be reached in #e on chat.freenode.net -- Regards, Ravenlock signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Free Software Download: Index, Search Analyze Logs and other IT data in Real-Time with Splunk. Collect, index and harness all the fast moving IT data generated by your applications, servers and devices whether physical, virtual or in the cloud. Deliver compliance at lower cost and gain new business insights. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-dev2dev ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2011 Application....
As I an extra idea for GSoc2010: support for wayland. Mentors? Ravenlock ravenl...@ravenlock.us пишет: All, We have officially submitted our application to become a Mentoring Organization for the Google Summer of Code 2011. We are very hopeful of its acceptance. We have a nice pool of eager mentors as well as an ideas page that is growing daily. Our ideas page can be found here: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/GSoC_2011_Project_Ideas If you are an interested student, please take a look. Feel free to e-mail the mailing lists with ideas for discussion, or to jump into IRC. We can be reached in #e on chat.freenode.net -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Google Summer of Code...
All, I am very pleased to announce that Enlightenment has been accepted again this year to the Google Summer of Code. The Google Summer of Code offers affords students the opportunity to spend their summer flipping bits instead of burgers, by providing significant funding to them through the summer months. Further information regarding the Google Summer of code can be found here: http://socghop.appspot.com/ Our ideas page can be found here: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/GSoC_2009_Project_Ideas Please note that students are not required to pick from this list. The list is composed of ideas that we feel fit well with the direction of Enlightenment in general, and/or are directly on the road to the release of Enlightenment. Students are encouraged to propose their own unique ideas as well. Interested students are also encouraged to stop in #e or #edevelop on Freenode and meet members of the project and discuss their ideas. Likely mentors for ideas on our ideas page are listed. Please feel free to contact a listed mentor. Google will begin accepting student applications on March 23rd, with the final deadline being April 3rd. -- Regards, Ravenlock signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Google Summer of Code (GSoC) wiki pages....
Hello, I have begun the process of crafting Google Summer of Code pages in our trac wiki. You can find them here: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e#Events The information and pages may look quite familiar, as I am refactoring a bit of last years information into General info and Year Specific info. But its all good information, none the less. Of particular interest at the moment is our Ideas page. http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/GSoC_2009_Project_Ideas One of the criteria a mentoring organization is judged on is its Ideas page. A well rounded set of ideas, that range from beginner/easy to adept/advanced, will help entice a variety of students to participate with E during the GSoC. Do keep in mind that the project is intended to be full time work for a student for the summer. So make sure the difficulty and scope are appropriate. Please feel free to add constructive ideas at this time. If you are a E-user who has an idea please stop by in #e on Freenode and discuss it. We would love to hear your ideas. Likewise for prospective students. If you would like to participate as a student and think you have a winning idea... by all means, please stop by and discuss. If you are an eligible mentor and see an idea on the page and you are interested in mentoring it, please feel free to add your name to the project. You might also add your name to the Mentors page. Final mentor assignments will be made when the time is appropriate. It is desirable to have at least two mentors on each project. It's good to note at this time that while we hope to get accepted as a mentoring organization We have not been accepted yet. No organizations have yet, in fact. -- Regards, Ravenlock signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google summer of code 2008 Midterms....
Present! Thanks for the reminder. Tim - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Google summer of code 2008 Midterms....
Hello, I'm aware, thanks for reminding:) Regards, Dzmitry Mazouka -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:50:23 -0700 Subject: enlightenment-devel Digest, Vol 27, Issue 4 Message: 1 Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:45:48 -0700 From: Ian C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [E-devel] Google summer of code 2008 Midterms To: Enlightenment-devel enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Attention all GSoC students and mentors, This is a reminder that midterm evaluation surveys open July 7th. Information about the surveys can be found at the links below. http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-survey-information http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/student-survey-questions http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-mentor-survey-questions I would ask that everyone involved reply to this thread so that Ravenlock and I can see that you are all awake and aware of the survey deadline. This should give us a few extra days to track down awol participants. - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google summer of code 2008 Midterms....
On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 06:45:48AM -0700, Ian C. wrote: Attention all GSoC students and mentors, This is a reminder that midterm evaluation surveys open July 7th. Information about the surveys can be found at the links below. http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-survey-information http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/student-survey-questions http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-mentor-survey-questions I would ask that everyone involved reply to this thread so that Ravenlock and I can see that you are all awake and aware of the survey deadline. This should give us a few extra days to track down awol participants. I'm up. ;) - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google summer of code 2008 Midterms....
I meant to say I'm aware. On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 5:07 AM, Fedor Gusev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 06:45:48AM -0700, Ian C. wrote: Attention all GSoC students and mentors, This is a reminder that midterm evaluation surveys open July 7th. Information about the surveys can be found at the links below. http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-survey-information http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/student-survey-questions http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-mentor-survey-questions I would ask that everyone involved reply to this thread so that Ravenlock and I can see that you are all awake and aware of the survey deadline. This should give us a few extra days to track down awol participants. I'm up. ;) - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google summer of code 2008 Midterms....
Right On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Terrance Hutchinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant to say I'm aware. On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 5:07 AM, Fedor Gusev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 06:45:48AM -0700, Ian C. wrote: Attention all GSoC students and mentors, This is a reminder that midterm evaluation surveys open July 7th. Information about the surveys can be found at the links below. http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-survey-information http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/student-survey-questions http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-mentor-survey-questions I would ask that everyone involved reply to this thread so that Ravenlock and I can see that you are all awake and aware of the survey deadline. This should give us a few extra days to track down awol participants. I'm up. ;) - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Google summer of code 2008 Midterms....
Attention all GSoC students and mentors, This is a reminder that midterm evaluation surveys open July 7th. Information about the surveys can be found at the links below. http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-survey-information http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/student-survey-questions http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-mentor-survey-questions I would ask that everyone involved reply to this thread so that Ravenlock and I can see that you are all awake and aware of the survey deadline. This should give us a few extra days to track down awol participants. - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google summer of code 2008 Midterms....
Hey, Attention all GSoC students and mentors, This is a reminder that midterm evaluation surveys open July 7th. Information about the surveys can be found at the links below. http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-survey-information http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/student-survey-questions http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-mentor-survey-questions I would ask that everyone involved reply to this thread so that Ravenlock and I can see that you are all awake and aware of the survey deadline. This should give us a few extra days to track down awol participants. I am awake (16pm, here :) ) Vincent - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google summer of code 2008 Midterms....
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Attention all GSoC students and mentors, This is a reminder that midterm evaluation surveys open July 7th. Information about the surveys can be found at the links below. http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-survey-information http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/student-survey-questions http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-mentor-survey-questions I would ask that everyone involved reply to this thread so that Ravenlock and I can see that you are all awake and aware of the survey deadline. This should give us a few extra days to track down awol participants. I am awake (16pm, here :) ) I am awake also. Are we checking our timezone ? :-) -- Cedric BAIL - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google summer of code 2008 Midterms....
El Thursday 03 July 2008 10:45:48 Ian C. escribió: Attention all GSoC students and mentors, This is a reminder that midterm evaluation surveys open July 7th. Information about the surveys can be found at the links below. http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-s urvey-information http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/student-s urvey-questions http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-m entor-survey-questions I would ask that everyone involved reply to this thread so that Ravenlock and I can see that you are all awake and aware of the survey deadline. This should give us a few extra days to track down awol participants. awake and college free... until august. - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google summer of code 2008 Midterms....
I'll remember this for about 20 minutes and I'll forget so might want to point it out again on the 7th. Ian C. wrote: Attention all GSoC students and mentors, This is a reminder that midterm evaluation surveys open July 7th. Information about the surveys can be found at the links below. http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-survey-information http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/student-survey-questions http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/midterm-mentor-survey-questions I would ask that everyone involved reply to this thread so that Ravenlock and I can see that you are all awake and aware of the survey deadline. This should give us a few extra days to track down awol participants. - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Gustavo wrote: On 2/27/08, Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that we should add evas filters. It should be very interresting for student (study of the internal behaviour of evas, interresting algorithm to perfmorm different filters...). Rotation, perspective, reflection can be a good beginning and maybe add gradient clips, blur The fact that I added filter objects to Evas and not Enesim in wiki added some discussion on IRC. I would like to have both Evas and Enesim, because they have different constraints and time lines. I just added Evas because I thought Jorge would add the enesim bits. Evas is there now and lots of code base on its current state. I don't think we'll be able to rewrite Evas on top of Enesim before getting E17 out doors. I say that because Evas already handle lots of corner cases that any library that wants to replace it (including its rewrite) would have to, don't ask me for these corner cases, because these are the ones that you just remember when you reach ... That said, I also think having both is no overlapping, adding filter objects to Evas is trying to fit it in something have HUGE walls to work around, you will not be able to do much, our work is to find out the minimum set of changes to Evas to support the minimum of hardware accelerated filters. Read the wiki, you'll see I'm not proposing a general purpose filter solution, something that would work with software, framebuffer and like, I just want something that will enable us to use hardware acceleration if it is available. I'm not sure what getting e17 out or enesim have to do with the particulars of the evas filters/transforms proposals you added to the wiki. How much have you looked into this? You don't need OpenGL or gallium3D for any of the things mentioned above, and in fact it may well be about the same, or worse, in many circumstances to do things via those libs - even with decent drivers. Also, what you proposed was a very generic filter pipeline mechanism, which though nice in theory may well be fairly counter- productive or useless to have in practice for most cases that evas is applied to. You don't need to have a filter mechanism rivaling Photoshop built-in to evas, or requirements that there be shaders for it to work, and there are more aspects here than just being able to 'do the gfx', hardware accel or not. That said, I think it's great that you want to see things move forward and all... and who knows, maybe there's lot one can gain out of trying out your approach to this. In the end though, Carsten is the maintainer of both evas and edje, and something as large as this would be best discussed with him. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:01:07 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I'm not sure what getting e17 out or enesim have to do with the particulars of the evas filters/transforms proposals you added to the wiki. How much have you looked into this? You don't need OpenGL or gallium3D for any of the things mentioned above, and in fact it may well be about the same, or worse, in many circumstances to do things via those libs - even with decent drivers. Also, what you proposed was a very generic filter pipeline mechanism, which though nice in theory may well be fairly counter- productive or useless to have in practice for most cases that evas is applied to. You don't need to have a filter mechanism rivaling Photoshop built-in to evas, or requirements that there be shaders for it to work, and there are more aspects here than just being able to 'do the gfx', hardware accel or not. That said, I think it's great that you want to see things move forward and all... and who knows, maybe there's lot one can gain out of trying out your approach to this. In the end though, Carsten is the maintainer of both evas and edje, and something as large as this would be best discussed with him. the edje proposals are pretty straightforward. 1. clean up and optimise the code without breaking it. make it faster on embedded as a result. 2. add codec support for video streams (much better than image flipping for when you really need video). this could make edje a direct rival to flash +flv - you could include the controls in the edje video object just like flash. u'd need a web browser plugin - but that'd be an interesting thing. either way we need/want it for our own selfish ends anyway :) 3. future would be more embryo method calls for scripts in edje, more power to the embryo script - eventually giving it full control over anything within an edje object. evas filters is another thing. what i always intended was a fixed filter pipeline. you choose from 1 of N common filters. blur, sharpen, re-color (saturation, brightness, darkness, contrast etc.) and an object - much like clip objects, filters everything it clips. that simply means passing all objects that are filtered by this object through the filter first before drawing. of course u can optimise, cache filter results etc. software can do this. gaussian blur can have shortcuts. IMHO we need just fixed filters with the ability. yes we can talk about millions of filters that are custom, but lets look at tit a bit. what filters do u really want/need. i always have thought something like: blur (box) blur (gaussian) color-table-remap (4x256 level lookups for rgba color re-mapping for all input) bump map (pixel values determine brightness) sharpen refraction-map (pixels determine hos to source a pixel below and where to put it) and maybe a few others. implement these filters - u can chain one after the other for combining them and you have a lot of ground covered AND can do it in software AND in hardware. most people dont want to go writing their own filters - they are happy to use the ones u have... :) other than that we have rotation to add in. eneism is trying to address some of these nuts and bolts, though in the long term. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 8:41 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:01:07 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I'm not sure what getting e17 out or enesim have to do with the particulars of the evas filters/transforms proposals you added to the wiki. I just said that because earlier discussion on IRC and one of the concerns of doing it in Evas today is slow down Enesim development. How much have you looked into this? You don't need OpenGL or gallium3D for any of the things mentioned above, and in fact it may well be about the same, or worse, in many circumstances to do things via those libs - even with decent drivers. Also, what you proposed was a very generic filter pipeline mechanism, which though nice in theory may well be fairly counter- productive or useless to have in practice for most cases that evas is applied to. You don't need to have a filter mechanism rivaling Photoshop built-in to evas, or requirements that there be shaders for it to work, and there are more aspects here than just being able to 'do the gfx', hardware accel or not. That said, I think it's great that you want to see things move forward and all... and who knows, maybe there's lot one can gain out of trying out your approach to this. In the end though, Carsten is the maintainer of both evas and edje, and something as large as this would be best discussed with him. [...] evas filters is another thing. what i always intended was a fixed filter pipeline. you choose from 1 of N common filters. blur, sharpen, re-color (saturation, brightness, darkness, contrast etc.) and an object - much like clip objects, filters everything it clips. that simply means passing all objects that are filtered by this object through the filter first before drawing. of course u can optimise, cache filter results etc. software can do this. gaussian blur can have shortcuts. IMHO we need just fixed filters with the ability. yes we can talk about millions of filters that are custom, but lets look at tit a bit. what filters do u really want/need. i always have thought something like: blur (box) blur (gaussian) color-table-remap (4x256 level lookups for rgba color re-mapping for all input) bump map (pixel values determine brightness) sharpen refraction-map (pixels determine hos to source a pixel below and where to put it) and maybe a few others. implement these filters - u can chain one after the other for combining them and you have a lot of ground covered AND can do it in software AND in hardware. most people dont want to go writing their own filters - they are happy to use the ones u have... :) other than that we have rotation to add in. I agree with use case of fixed filters, actually the proposed filters cover more than what I expect. What I disagree is _having_ to implement a span of combinations in order to optimize it for all engines, it will not worth the pain. Ok if one wants to do that, but if we say such feature would just be accepted if this is done we'll never have it. If you like feel free to rephrase it on wiki. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi - Embedded and Mobile Software Development -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (81) 9927 0010 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, Nicolas Aguirre wrote: On 2/27/08, Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that we should add evas filters. It should be very interresting for student (study of the internal behaviour of evas, interresting algorithm to perfmorm different filters...). Rotation, perspective, reflection can be a good beginning and maybe add gradient clips, blur actually, there is already a mention about evas filters in the wiki. But maybe we should be a bit more precise on which filters we would like That makes me think that we must add turran's work Hi all, I think SoC is a good opportunity for all of us, as I've been named several times about what i have been coding this months here is a brief explanaition of it (in order of importance): Enesim: This library started as a direct rendering gfx library, but a very generic one, with no context; this decision was made to allow different libraries built on top of enesim to define their own context api. It works very nice, but i'd like to implement more pixel formats and more porter/duff operations. Also there's support for simple transformations (based on a 3x3 matrix) but filters will be a good thing to have here too. The fact that I added filter objects to Evas and not Enesim in wiki added some discussion on IRC. I would like to have both Evas and Enesim, because they have different constraints and time lines. I just added Evas because I thought Jorge would add the enesim bits. Evas is there now and lots of code base on its current state. I don't think we'll be able to rewrite Evas on top of Enesim before getting E17 out doors. I say that because Evas already handle lots of corner cases that any library that wants to replace it (including its rewrite) would have to, don't ask me for these corner cases, because these are the ones that you just remember when you reach them. Things are usually simple in concept, but just after you put them in real testing you expose some requirements, just see Cedric's EET patch, really simple in concept but nasty bugs appeared that need time to fix. That said, I also think having both is no overlapping, adding filter objects to Evas is trying to fit it in something have HUGE walls to work around, you will not be able to do much, our work is to find out the minimum set of changes to Evas to support the minimum of hardware accelerated filters. Read the wiki, you'll see I'm not proposing a general purpose filter solution, something that would work with software, framebuffer and like, I just want something that will enable us to use hardware acceleration if it is available. For Enesim it's a whole different story, we have no walls and our job is to ensure we'll not do decisions that will put a huge wall in the middle our our living room. We have almost all requirements already and we know about last hardware capabilities, things like shaders were not available before. Evas filter objects can be understood as a temporary solution, as a prototype for enesim work and in future as a testbed for its implementations. Eina: A common library for data types, several times on the ml we have discussed the problems with the efl about not having a common implementation of lists/hashes/whatever. This is an attempt. TODO: add evas data types too and merge into a common API/implementation, for now there's only the ecore data types and a new lazy allocator. I'm also for it, but maybe it could go outside SoC. Having one single data library is a good thing because it will make code duplication smaller and also things like different languages bindings easier too. However (DON'T SHOOT ME YET) maybe we could join some efforts with existing projects, like GLib. Maybe it's a solution, maybe it's not, they already provide some structures we need, others we'll have to add (like lists that support insertions in both ends with the same cost, like evas_list).I don't know if I like this too much, but I want to see others opinion on that. Ekeko: The idea here is to build a common canvas framework, very simple, supporting abstract objects and general input devices, it is similar to what evas has inside, but the idea is to be able to build evas itself on top of this, a 2d game, a svg canvas, a window manager, or whatever you would want. The concepts of filters and subcavnas are already provided on the example directory. TODO: generic input system. +1 Equanime: This library isnt coded yet, but if someone is interested i'll explain what i'll do. To make it short, it's a simplified version of DirectFB, not aiming only linux as the backend (the framebuffer). It will match the common hw found on simple/embedded graphics devices, like layers,
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Ravenlock wrote: What has to happen is, we have to describe our ideas in terms that non-E-devs can understand, and appreciate. (Nice work on this BTW) Ok, let's take a naive point of view - we're all now neophytes with no real knowledge of e, and someone's asking you for help with their e stuff.. What would you say? If you really want anyone unfamiliar with e to even begin to care about e, then maybe you'd need to start by answering some fundamental questions: What is e, and why should I care about it? Look at sourceforge, freshmeat, and others such.. There are tens of thousands of foss projects out there - many of them quite interesting. Why e? A window manager? So what, there are tons of those already. What else? An app development framework? There are mature, full-featured ones already... ones that have produced thousands of apps. How does e compare to those other frameworks, and what apps has it managed to produce? Why is its framework, or the apps it allows, 'better' somehow? What's the 'Big Picture' of e, and why should others care? Is e something like a rich app development framework? Does it support or work well with the web? Do you have a 'projects' page where I can see some of the things developed with this e? Why should 'we' care about e? _ Internet Security Software - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mEWr9GJ2IW54dJDUXglcblyBmlNhB3fOPbQYfzRfCq6RfWQ/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Vincent wrote: * writing an evince-like prog in full edje Why would anyone not familiar with e care about anything like this? There's already an evince. Why would a similar app, but with this edje, be of any interest to anyone, or of interest enough that they'd pay someone to do it? _ Click here for free information on student financial aid. Quick and simple. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oIGktovcuGbsPi2iqQ79VKbu6TugaSobdHdsS4rhlY6IfIs/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On 02/29/2008 10:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ravenlock wrote: What has to happen is, we have to describe our ideas in terms that non-E-devs can understand, and appreciate. (Nice work on this BTW) Ok, let's take a naive point of view - we're all now neophytes with no real knowledge of e, and someone's asking you for help with their e stuff.. What would you say? What you say below is true, but... First, lets get in the correct mindset. We are not asking people to help with our E stuff. The goal of SoC is to help students learn and to create more open source code. Google is not putting up bounties for things *we* want done. Google is gonna pay a few students to further their knowledge of Open Source in general, and to get more code out in the wild. The ideas we suggest are just that. Just ideas. Something to tempt the students. It may be that none of the ideas on our list get picked up. But maybe some student comes along falls in love with E and has an entirely different idea that we approve of. That student will get paid to work on it, learn about OSS, and create some code. If you really want anyone unfamiliar with e to even begin to care about e, then maybe you'd need to start by answering some fundamental questions: What is e, and why should I care about it? Look at sourceforge, freshmeat, and others such.. There are tens of thousands of foss projects out there - many of them quite interesting. Why e? A window manager? So what, there are tons of those already. What else? An app development framework? There are mature, full-featured ones already... ones that have produced thousands of apps. How does e compare to those other frameworks, and what apps has it managed to produce? Why is its framework, or the apps it allows, 'better' somehow? What's the 'Big Picture' of e, and why should others care? Is e something like a rich app development framework? Does it support or work well with the web? Do you have a 'projects' page where I can see some of the things developed with this e? Why should 'we' care about e? The above comments are all true, and applicable to this situation. But the entire wiki itself is designed to meet this need. All of the questions you have *should* be answered by the wiki itself (if they are not the wiki needs some love), not necessarily by the one or two pages created for SoC. While a very brief summary of what you ask above will be on our Google SoC application Its really (imho) a bit up to the student to find a project (think E, think OpenOffice, think FreeBSD) that they wish to get involved with. Finding that project will require some research on the students part. Now, along these lines... I have been trying to make links on the SoC ideas page to point to relevant areas of the wiki (or other sites) as need be. In the hopes that someone coming in cold off the street can read the ideas page, and then follow links to learn more details about things (edje, efl, etc) Now, with all that said a lot of what I said is simply my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong here. Either way If you see an opportunity to improve on what we are doing with regard to SoC... please jump in. All help is appreciated. === End of reponse As an aside: Why is it *your* e-mail in particular is never *threaded* into the appropriate conversations by my mailreader (Thunderbird). Everyone else's mail is fine. :/ -- Regards, Ravenlock signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Vincent wrote: what i wanted, is a gui that is not like evince and use the power of edje (see the wiki) With your reasonning, just gave up all the EFL, as they are libs to write mainly gui. And a lot of tool already exist using gnome or kde. Indeed, unless you can convincingly argue otherwise, I see little point in not going with one of those well-known, mature solutions. The power of edje? I gather you've done a lot of work with edje. Tell me, how easy will it be to use this edje to develop and maintain the various kinds of apps that I might need? How many developer hours do you estimate it'll take to have something functionally equivalent to evince? Can you at least provide a mock-up of this edje-based version that's compellingly far more interesting in its gui? _ Click to learn how you can earn extra cash in day trading. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3noTBX0rcGKNE43MRPTCt3eGM4En4GdTFX1TTmcciR0quHLC/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Ravenlock wrote: First, lets get in the correct mindset. We are not asking people to help with our E stuff. The goal of SoC is to help students learn and to create more open source code. Google is not putting up bounties for things *we* want done. Google is gonna pay a few students to further their knowledge of Open Source in general, and to get more code out in the wild. The ideas we suggest are just that. Google, or anyone else for that matter, can't support every open source project or idea out there just for the sake of furthering that kind of selfless, indiscriminate goal. So, there must be criteria for why some particular projects or ideas are chosen over others. What is e, and why should they care? _ Save hundreds on getting a Web Design Degree. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oHUFL6mPiDBhBx69lFRM2h01zHSjoqFhnnXSr1e5CAqcg3m/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, Nicolas Aguirre wrote: On 2/27/08, Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that we should add evas filters. It should be very interresting for student (study of the internal behaviour of evas, interresting algorithm to perfmorm different filters...). Rotation, perspective, reflection can be a good beginning and maybe add gradient clips, blur actually, there is already a mention about evas filters in the wiki. But maybe we should be a bit more precise on which filters we would like That makes me think that we must add turran's work Hi all, I think SoC is a good opportunity for all of us, as I've been named several times about what i have been coding this months here is a brief explanaition of it (in order of importance): Enesim: This library started as a direct rendering gfx library, but a very generic one, with no context; this decision was made to allow different libraries built on top of enesim to define their own context api. It works very nice, but i'd like to implement more pixel formats and more porter/duff operations. Also there's support for simple transformations (based on a 3x3 matrix) but filters will be a good thing to have here too. Eina: A common library for data types, several times on the ml we have discussed the problems with the efl about not having a common implementation of lists/hashes/whatever. This is an attempt. TODO: add evas data types too and merge into a common API/implementation, for now there's only the ecore data types and a new lazy allocator. Ekeko: The idea here is to build a common canvas framework, very simple, supporting abstract objects and general input devices, it is similar to what evas has inside, but the idea is to be able to build evas itself on top of this, a 2d game, a svg canvas, a window manager, or whatever you would want. The concepts of filters and subcavnas are already provided on the example directory. TODO: generic input system. Equanime: This library isnt coded yet, but if someone is interested i'll explain what i'll do. To make it short, it's a simplified version of DirectFB, not aiming only linux as the backend (the framebuffer). It will match the common hw found on simple/embedded graphics devices, like layers, outputs, regions and that's it (maybe 2d engine); no surface allocator, no window manager, no concept of input devices, etc. (the below projects have too many todo's to list them) Evg: Is an attempt to build an implementation of the openvg standard on top of enesim, mayeb supporting different backends like opengl. Esvg: Very early state of a SVG library based on evg. If someone is interested on any of this, please let us know. The code is available in the google code project efl-research. Maybe with the above libraries someone could think of an application that can be built on top of that. IMHO having the above libraries give us a good framework for gfx development. regards, turran. regards Vincent - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
As Jorge wants us to reply, here is my answer On Thu, 28 Feb 2008, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga wrote: Enesim: This library started as a direct rendering gfx library, but a very generic one, with no context; this decision was made to allow different libraries built on top of enesim to define their own context api. It works very nice, but i'd like to implement more pixel formats and more porter/duff operations. Also there's support for simple transformations (based on a 3x3 matrix) but filters will be a good thing to have here too. I'm for having enesim in SoC Eina: A common library for data types, several times on the ml we have discussed the problems with the efl about not having a common implementation of lists/hashes/whatever. This is an attempt. TODO: add evas data types too and merge into a common API/implementation, for now there's only the ecore data types and a new lazy allocator. I don't think it should be in SoC. Ekeko: The idea here is to build a common canvas framework, very simple, supporting abstract objects and general input devices, it is similar to what evas has inside, but the idea is to be able to build evas itself on top of this, a 2d game, a svg canvas, a window manager, or whatever you would want. The concepts of filters and subcavnas are already provided on the example directory. TODO: generic input system. in SoC Equanime: This library isnt coded yet, but if someone is interested i'll explain what i'll do. To make it short, it's a simplified version of DirectFB, not aiming only linux as the backend (the framebuffer). It will match the common hw found on simple/embedded graphics devices, like layers, outputs, regions and that's it (maybe 2d engine); no surface allocator, no window manager, no concept of input devices, etc. i don't know (the below projects have too many todo's to list them) Evg: Is an attempt to build an implementation of the openvg standard on top of enesim, mayeb supporting different backends like opengl. I would like it to be in SoC. If I'm not mistaken, Gallium support should be here, right ? Esvg: Very early state of a SVG library based on evg. I don't know if it can be in SoC. Is there sufficient things to do to have a student working on several months on Esvg ? Vincent - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Ian wrote: Alright I've taken this summer of code research a bit further apparently we're not blacklisted in anyway. The reason we were not accepted last year is that our application was a bit suboptimal and the ideas list was poor we didn't elaborate enough on the ideas what they were. It wasn't clear enough to an e outsider what we needed to get done. so they said to reapply this year and improve it. So from this point forward I'm willing to do what it takes to get enlightenment into SOC this year but of course I'll need commitment and help. I'm willing to help be an admin but we need people who're willing to mentor and we need the ideas to be explained clearly on the wiki. Make it so that someone who has never heard of e can look at them and understand what we need the different things for. All I mentioned are simply things I blieve would be useful for E to have, SoC or not. I could give detailed explanations of what I mentioned.. but these things might not be what others believe would be good to have, specially things related to specific E-projects (which are?). It would be up to the individual project leaders to come up with their own detailed descriptions of specific proposals they feel would be good for their projects. So far, only Michael from eterm has done something like that, but it's still early and many things need to be thought about first before people can come up with proposals. _ Click to make millions by owning your own franchise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m6iRdMIqwDoRmKnxSepEMMLAVxYenmEFXGkOa8QZaPuoD1W/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
well considering applications need to be in by when it starts which is like march 3rd we don't have a lot of time... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian wrote: Alright I've taken this summer of code research a bit further apparently we're not blacklisted in anyway. The reason we were not accepted last year is that our application was a bit suboptimal and the ideas list was poor we didn't elaborate enough on the ideas what they were. It wasn't clear enough to an e outsider what we needed to get done. so they said to reapply this year and improve it. So from this point forward I'm willing to do what it takes to get enlightenment into SOC this year but of course I'll need commitment and help. I'm willing to help be an admin but we need people who're willing to mentor and we need the ideas to be explained clearly on the wiki. Make it so that someone who has never heard of e can look at them and understand what we need the different things for. All I mentioned are simply things I blieve would be useful for E to have, SoC or not. I could give detailed explanations of what I mentioned.. but these things might not be what others believe would be good to have, specially things related to specific E-projects (which are?). It would be up to the individual project leaders to come up with their own detailed descriptions of specific proposals they feel would be good for their projects. So far, only Michael from eterm has done something like that, but it's still early and many things need to be thought about first before people can come up with proposals. _ Click to make millions by owning your own franchise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m6iRdMIqwDoRmKnxSepEMMLAVxYenmEFXGkOa8QZaPuoD1W/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
March 3rd is when they start accepting applications. The deadline is March 12th. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Ian C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well considering applications need to be in by when it starts which is like march 3rd we don't have a lot of time... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian wrote: Alright I've taken this summer of code research a bit further apparently we're not blacklisted in anyway. The reason we were not accepted last year is that our application was a bit suboptimal and the ideas list was poor we didn't elaborate enough on the ideas what they were. It wasn't clear enough to an e outsider what we needed to get done. so they said to reapply this year and improve it. So from this point forward I'm willing to do what it takes to get enlightenment into SOC this year but of course I'll need commitment and help. I'm willing to help be an admin but we need people who're willing to mentor and we need the ideas to be explained clearly on the wiki. Make it so that someone who has never heard of e can look at them and understand what we need the different things for. All I mentioned are simply things I blieve would be useful for E to have, SoC or not. I could give detailed explanations of what I mentioned.. but these things might not be what others believe would be good to have, specially things related to specific E-projects (which are?). It would be up to the individual project leaders to come up with their own detailed descriptions of specific proposals they feel would be good for their projects. So far, only Michael from eterm has done something like that, but it's still early and many things need to be thought about first before people can come up with proposals. _ Click to make millions by owning your own franchise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m6iRdMIqwDoRmKnxSepEMMLAVxYenmEFXGkOa8QZaPuoD1W/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
you're correct but if we want to be selected we need to get it in as soon as possible. the closer the March 3rd the better. Nathan Ingersoll wrote: March 3rd is when they start accepting applications. The deadline is March 12th. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Ian C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well considering applications need to be in by when it starts which is like march 3rd we don't have a lot of time... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian wrote: Alright I've taken this summer of code research a bit further apparently we're not blacklisted in anyway. The reason we were not accepted last year is that our application was a bit suboptimal and the ideas list was poor we didn't elaborate enough on the ideas what they were. It wasn't clear enough to an e outsider what we needed to get done. so they said to reapply this year and improve it. So from this point forward I'm willing to do what it takes to get enlightenment into SOC this year but of course I'll need commitment and help. I'm willing to help be an admin but we need people who're willing to mentor and we need the ideas to be explained clearly on the wiki. Make it so that someone who has never heard of e can look at them and understand what we need the different things for. All I mentioned are simply things I blieve would be useful for E to have, SoC or not. I could give detailed explanations of what I mentioned.. but these things might not be what others believe would be good to have, specially things related to specific E-projects (which are?). It would be up to the individual project leaders to come up with their own detailed descriptions of specific proposals they feel would be good for their projects. So far, only Michael from eterm has done something like that, but it's still early and many things need to be thought about first before people can come up with proposals. _ Click to make millions by owning your own franchise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m6iRdMIqwDoRmKnxSepEMMLAVxYenmEFXGkOa8QZaPuoD1W/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On 02/28/2008 22:14, Ian C. wrote: you're correct but if we want to be selected we need to get it in as soon as possible. the closer the March 3rd the better. I agree. There is terribly little time to get organized here. I've added another page dedicated to just ideas and their descriptions. But we need folks to flesh it out. I am incapable of writing up the descriptions, and pinning names on them. If you previously submitted an idea (KainX, vtorri, G. Barbieri) please jump in and type some more up. What has to happen is, we have to describe our ideas in terms that non-E-devs can understand, and appreciate. The new page is at: http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/SoC_Project_Ideas I have an example section at the top. If anyone can come up with a nicer format, please feel free to change it up. The page is kinda a mess right now, several different formats. I'll be cleaning it up. but the content must come from you guys. Nathan Ingersoll wrote: March 3rd is when they start accepting applications. The deadline is March 12th. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Ian C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well considering applications need to be in by when it starts which is like march 3rd we don't have a lot of time... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian wrote: Alright I've taken this summer of code research a bit further apparently we're not blacklisted in anyway. The reason we were not accepted last year is that our application was a bit suboptimal and the ideas list was poor we didn't elaborate enough on the ideas what they were. It wasn't clear enough to an e outsider what we needed to get done. so they said to reapply this year and improve it. So from this point forward I'm willing to do what it takes to get enlightenment into SOC this year but of course I'll need commitment and help. I'm willing to help be an admin but we need people who're willing to mentor and we need the ideas to be explained clearly on the wiki. Make it so that someone who has never heard of e can look at them and understand what we need the different things for. All I mentioned are simply things I blieve would be useful for E to have, SoC or not. I could give detailed explanations of what I mentioned.. but these things might not be what others believe would be good to have, specially things related to specific E-projects (which are?). It would be up to the individual project leaders to come up with their own detailed descriptions of specific proposals they feel would be good for their projects. So far, only Michael from eterm has done something like that, but it's still early and many things need to be thought about first before people can come up with proposals. _ Click to make millions by owning your own franchise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m6iRdMIqwDoRmKnxSepEMMLAVxYenmEFXGkOa8QZaPuoD1W/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Regards, Ravenlock signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On 2/27/08, Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I have added some ideas in the wiki: * finishing the win32 port * adding codec support * writing a presentation tool (handful for those who will talk in some conf :) * writing an evince-like prog in full edje I think that we should add evas filters. It should be very interresting for student (study of the internal behaviour of evas, interresting algorithm to perfmorm different filters...). Rotation, perspective, reflection can be a good beginning and maybe add gradient clips, blur regards, Nico - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, Nicolas Aguirre wrote: On 2/27/08, Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that we should add evas filters. It should be very interresting for student (study of the internal behaviour of evas, interresting algorithm to perfmorm different filters...). Rotation, perspective, reflection can be a good beginning and maybe add gradient clips, blur actually, there is already a mention about evas filters in the wiki. But maybe we should be a bit more precise on which filters we would like That makes me think that we must add turran's work regards Vincent - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Vincent wrote: I think that we should add evas filters. It should be very interresting for student (study of the internal behaviour of evas, interresting algorithm to perfmorm different filters...). Rotation, perspective, reflection can be a good beginning and maybe add gradient clips, blur Indeed, those things would be interesting objects of study for those leaning to gfx stuff. In practice, we already have fast software implementations of all those things, and there are plenty of gl based methods out there for these as well (though a generic shading-language like approach could be very good here, regardless of the backend). actually, there is already a mention about evas filters in the wiki. But maybe we should be a bit more precise on which filters we would like That makes me think that we must add turran's work Absolutely. But there are certain obstacles to be overcome. Jorge's work on enesim and other of his efl-research work are still in flux and early development.. he needs help with those. Anyone interested in gfx and wanting to give a hand should contact him about things. But assuming all that is done.. there are even bigger issues to deal with regarding evas itself. First of all, there's the question of just HOW to 'add' such capabilities (filters, transforms, whatnot) to evas... not how to implement the underlying gfx algos, we know how to do that.. but how to expose these capabilities thru the api in a way that makes sense for evas and edje say. If you want an analogy here, think of html and assume you've got this nifty idea of adding filters/transforms to image tags, maybe just via css styling, or that you want to add vgfx elements.. How are you going to make this work? Well, that's kind of the problem here with evas and edje. Secondly, again assuming you've now got that worked out, you then have facing you the realities of evas' current internals to work with.. and there you have some real headaches to deal with. In particular, the way that image stuff is dealt with internally, and the way the engines are used by the api. These things mean a fairly large re-write of evas internals, stuff has been shoved-in again and again without taking the time to redo internals when it would've been easier to do so. Now, it's a large, messy bit of work that needs redoing.. work that's not easy to follow for anyone but the persons who wrote the initial code -- It's always much easier to understand one's own convoluted mess than someone else's clear organized stuff.. and much, much more difficult to follow someone else's not-so-clear stuff. Wether it gets done or not, there's a lesson here for people to keep in mind as they develop stuff in e-land. _ Make up to $100/hour by getting a degree in Web Design. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oHUEnY1AXtj4nEATvMInnIAsEfechiubYcUh7COaDvsWRzq/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Alright I've taken this summer of code research a bit further apparently we're not blacklisted in anyway. The reason we were not accepted last year is that our application was a bit suboptimal and the ideas list was poor we didn't elaborate enough on the ideas what they were. It wasn't clear enough to an e outsider what we needed to get done. so they said to reapply this year and improve it. So from this point forward I'm willing to do what it takes to get enlightenment into SOC this year but of course I'll need commitment and help. I'm willing to help be an admin but we need people who're willing to mentor and we need the ideas to be explained clearly on the wiki. Make it so that someone who has never heard of e can look at them and understand what we need the different things for. regards, Ian Inc C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, here are just a few 'ideas' that I think would be nice, not necessarily anything to do with SoC, just a few things I think e could benefit from (merely from my own viewpoint). 1. Further work on an immediate-mode gfx lib like enesim, and also on a generic canvas framework as in jorge's further work. 2. I'll stay away from suggesting multitudes of stuff for evas, and just give one: Implement 'native surfaces' for image objects - at least for gl texture, sdl surfaces, and xrender pictures. Extend ecore's sub-canvas stuff to use such surfaces for the corresponding engines (gl, sdl, xrender). Similarly for any other engines/native surfaces that people may want (dfb, win32, cairo). 3. If people here must use 'edc' syntax, then have a stand-alone generic parsing lib for the syntax. 4. Further develop embryo scripting, and/or add support for other well-known scripting languages to edje/edc (javascript, python, lua, ...). 5. Develop a time-line based animation api for ecore, ewl, and etk. Also, further general work on ewl and etk, and similarly more attention to the excellent edje-editor and evolve projects. 6. Create a lib of themable evas objects, with a well-known collection of such including things like 'widgets' and 'gadgets', and a mechanism for loading/using other such. 7. Develop ways to make E more web-connected and supportive of web related stuff. It's a shame that the enlightenment site can't show off anything it's developed directly over the wire. There are other things, but all these are few that are doable, possibly useful, and not too far from what's already there (except perhaps 7, which is a somewhat fuzzy goal). _ Click here for great computer networking solutions! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oHgMmgMnPCdbmAGKrCzEjB6YonpGtBFr44mGxSzdHu8yPX6/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Michael wrote: about these suggestions, would it be interesting to add them in the trac main page ? My point is that I think suggestions might be jumping the gun a bit, unless the sheer volume of suggestions might help reverse our previous poor fortune. Step #1: Get accepted into SoC. Step #2: ??? Step #3: Profit! No, wait... :) Well, I think a nice list of suggestions/ideas would be a great thing to have, SoC or no SoC. Maybe if everyone here could take a day or two and think about some set of such, then submit them here for consideration.. eventually compile them into a reasonable list to add to the e site, under various sub-categories... Actually, I have one that likely others have felt as well: eterm on new efl libs, or just various ideas for eterm that people might think of. Eterm is one of the great, classic e apps that many love and rave about.. but some feel it could be improved somehow, or become even more cutting-edge. _ Click for free information on court reporter careers, $100 per hour potential. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3l6dgHjC5iVhxGscKfxs7kuVabLKI3JWwxWw8itwjzd9AyOc/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Tuesday, 26 February 2008, at 20:07:01 (+), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I have one that likely others have felt as well: eterm on new efl libs, or just various ideas for eterm that people might think of. Eterm is one of the great, classic e apps that many love and rave about.. but some feel it could be improved somehow, or become even more cutting-edge. Well, here's one for that list: UTF-8 support. I haven't had the time to really dig into researching what is necessary to make XmbDrawString() (et al.) cooperate with the existing Eterm multibyte character support, and I simply don't know enough about multibyte/internationalization in X to make it work. I've tried. The only solution I've come up with so far is to change Eterm's internal representation so that everything is stored in UTF-8. Unfortunately, this is a major rewrite. Furthermore, terminals are essentially grids of characters, and UTF-8 encoding flies directly in the face of this. (Frankly, UTF-8 is mostly a cop-out to avoid having to rewrite a lot of code that relies on NUL-terminated, single-byte characters. UCS2 or UCS4 would make a lot more sense, especially for terminals. But UTF-8, for better or worse, is the new ASCII. Everyone thinks it's the end-all, be-all of encoding schemes and will last until the end of time, and they're all repeating the exact same mistakes of ASCII (and ANSI, and ISO-8859, and...). Not that anyone listens.) I've had a few people promise me patches (I'm still waiting, [EMAIL PROTECTED]), but I've never received any. So if anyone wants to take a very popular ball and run with it, this is #1 with a bullet. At least for Eterm. :) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I now cry streams of blood because I had to take my stand. I crush my eyes beneath my heel as my heart pulses in my hand. -- Forsaken - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
As far as suggestions go, here's my 2 cents: 1. evas filters. That was explained in more detail in previous emails from this thread. 1.5 Bringing the evas gl engine up to standard. 2. A terminal application using efl (specifically edje, for themes, utf-8 support and tabs). Since kainx already mentioned that eterm would require a major rewrite in order to support utf-8, there might as well be terminal from scratch. 3. A proper composite-manager-as-a-module, and it really should reuse the compiz plugins without modification. On Tue, 2008-02-26 at 20:07 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael wrote: about these suggestions, would it be interesting to add them in the trac main page ? My point is that I think suggestions might be jumping the gun a bit, unless the sheer volume of suggestions might help reverse our previous poor fortune. Step #1: Get accepted into SoC. Step #2: ??? Step #3: Profit! No, wait... :) Well, I think a nice list of suggestions/ideas would be a great thing to have, SoC or no SoC. Maybe if everyone here could take a day or two and think about some set of such, then submit them here for consideration.. eventually compile them into a reasonable list to add to the e site, under various sub-categories... Actually, I have one that likely others have felt as well: eterm on new efl libs, or just various ideas for eterm that people might think of. Eterm is one of the great, classic e apps that many love and rave about.. but some feel it could be improved somehow, or become even more cutting-edge. _ Click for free information on court reporter careers, $100 per hour potential. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3l6dgHjC5iVhxGscKfxs7kuVabLKI3JWwxWw8itwjzd9AyOc/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Tuesday, 26 February 2008, at 22:44:21 (+0200), Viktor Kojouharov wrote: 2. A terminal application using efl (specifically edje, for themes, utf-8 support and tabs). Since kainx already mentioned that eterm would require a major rewrite in order to support utf-8, there might as well be terminal from scratch. I strongly disagree. There is a lot of code in Eterm that is good and can be reused. Starting from scratch will be (and has been) painful. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Don't go making all these promises you know you cannot keep. There's a time to play a king and a time to be the thief. 'Cause if you're making all these promises you know you cannot keep, you know time will be the thief, and your fallen king will end up alone. -- Savage Garden, Promises - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Is there a dedicated person we should send the email to? Or just email the list? Sorry, not familiar with the etiquette here. Thanks, Jess On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:25:18PM -0800, Michael Jennings wrote: On Tuesday, 26 February 2008, at 20:07:01 (+), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I have one that likely others have felt as well: eterm on new efl libs, or just various ideas for eterm that people might think of. Eterm is one of the great, classic e apps that many love and rave about.. but some feel it could be improved somehow, or become even more cutting-edge. Well, here's one for that list: UTF-8 support. I haven't had the time to really dig into researching what is necessary to make XmbDrawString() (et al.) cooperate with the existing Eterm multibyte character support, and I simply don't know enough about multibyte/internationalization in X to make it work. I've tried. The only solution I've come up with so far is to change Eterm's internal representation so that everything is stored in UTF-8. Unfortunately, this is a major rewrite. Furthermore, terminals are essentially grids of characters, and UTF-8 encoding flies directly in the face of this. (Frankly, UTF-8 is mostly a cop-out to avoid having to rewrite a lot of code that relies on NUL-terminated, single-byte characters. UCS2 or UCS4 would make a lot more sense, especially for terminals. But UTF-8, for better or worse, is the new ASCII. Everyone thinks it's the end-all, be-all of encoding schemes and will last until the end of time, and they're all repeating the exact same mistakes of ASCII (and ANSI, and ISO-8859, and...). Not that anyone listens.) I've had a few people promise me patches (I'm still waiting, [EMAIL PROTECTED]), but I've never received any. So if anyone wants to take a very popular ball and run with it, this is #1 with a bullet. At least for Eterm. :) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I now cry streams of blood because I had to take my stand. I crush my eyes beneath my heel as my heart pulses in my hand. -- Forsaken - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Jess wrote: Is there a dedicated person we should send the email to? Or just email the list? Sorry, not familiar with the etiquette here. For greater exposure, feedback, etc. the list here would clearly be best. This is something that people here have to build together. Build the goals, both short and long term, that its various projects see as interesting, make them visible as serious objectives people can work to contribute to. _ Have a nack for decorating? Click here to earn money from your passion. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oLOnsKY4a1ggzCGnW7OnSysyHbnAwxaPiLgXElcGXwSMsfG/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Jess wrote: Is there a dedicated person we should send the email to? Or just email the list? Sorry, not familiar with the etiquette here. Recording them into wiki.enlightenment.org would probably be the best bet. A much more stable and easy to use record then the mailing list. dan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Hey, I have added some ideas in the wiki: * finishing the win32 port * adding codec support * writing a presentation tool (handful for those who will talk in some conf :) * writing an evince-like prog in full edje i wanted to add a xenon 2 clone, but the problem is artwork and maybe does not fit well in what one can expect for a project in SoC Vincent - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Hey, Google has announce its summer of code in 2008 [1]. I know that raster has contacted them to participate in the previous SoC and they refused. But, now that some companies are using the efl, maybe one should ask them again, so that students can work on the projects these companies are working on (I don't know if it's possible, though, it's just an idea). It would also be a good opportunity to make people aware of the efl (in the embedded world, for example) more than now. remarks ? ideas ? Vincent [1] http://code.google.com/soc/2008 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Vincent Torri wrote: Google has announce its summer of code in 2008 [1]. I know that raster has contacted them to participate in the previous SoC and they refused. But, now that some companies are using the efl, maybe one should ask them again, so that students can work on the projects these companies are working on (I don't know if it's possible, though, it's just an idea). It would also be a good opportunity to make people aware of the efl (in the embedded world, for example) more than now. remarks ? ideas ? I reply to myself. I have an idea: having someone who helps me for the win32 port ! Vincent - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Vincent Torri wrote: Google has announce its summer of code in 2008 [1]. I know that raster has contacted them to participate in the previous SoC and they refused. But, now that some companies are using the efl, maybe one should ask them again, so that students can work on the projects these companies are working on (I don't know if it's possible, though, it's just an idea). It would also be a good opportunity to make people aware of the efl (in the embedded world, for example) more than now. remarks ? ideas ? I reply to myself. I have an idea: having someone who helps me for the win32 port ! Vincent Evas Rotation - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Sthithaprajna Garapaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Vincent Torri wrote: Google has announce its summer of code in 2008 [1]. I know that raster has contacted them to participate in the previous SoC and they refused. But, now that some companies are using the efl, maybe one should ask them again, so that students can work on the projects these companies are working on (I don't know if it's possible, though, it's just an idea). It would also be a good opportunity to make people aware of the efl (in the embedded world, for example) more than now. remarks ? ideas ? I reply to myself. I have an idea: having someone who helps me for the win32 port ! Vincent Evas Rotation I'd say evas filters, that includes rotation but also shear, blur, perspective, ... Another idea is new backends, like DirectFB ;-), Cairo, Clutter (?), OpenGL/ES, OpenVG. Yet another idea is to help with Enesim. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi - Embedded and Mobile Software Development -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (81) 9927 0010 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Michael Jennings wrote: On Monday, 25 February 2008, at 15:04:05 (-0300), Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: I'd say evas filters, that includes rotation but also shear, blur, perspective, ... Another idea is new backends, like DirectFB ;-), Cairo, Clutter (?), OpenGL/ES, OpenVG. Yet another idea is to help with Enesim. enesim and all the libs turran wrote. These are great ideas. However, given that we've been shot down every year so far, I think the key question for us to address here is: How do we avoid getting shot down again? Once we know we're eligible, I think there's more than enough work to dole out. We just have to figure out how to be taken seriously for a change. about these suggestions, would it be interesting to add them in the trac main page ? Vincent - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Monday, 25 February 2008, at 19:14:31 (+0100), Vincent Torri wrote: about these suggestions, would it be interesting to add them in the trac main page ? My point is that I think suggestions might be jumping the gun a bit, unless the sheer volume of suggestions might help reverse our previous poor fortune. Step #1: Get accepted into SoC. Step #2: ??? Step #3: Profit! No, wait... Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Why are they always blaming everything on rappers? Don't blame the youth. Blame the wicked culture. Every Sunday night on TV, Angela Lansbury taught these kids violence on 'Murder, She Wrote.' Blame the reruns of 'Have Gun, Will Travel' and 'Gunsmoke.' -- Reverend Al Sharpton on the media coverage of the late Notorious B.I.G. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Monday, 25 February 2008, at 15:04:05 (-0300), Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: I'd say evas filters, that includes rotation but also shear, blur, perspective, ... Another idea is new backends, like DirectFB ;-), Cairo, Clutter (?), OpenGL/ES, OpenVG. Yet another idea is to help with Enesim. These are great ideas. However, given that we've been shot down every year so far, I think the key question for us to address here is: How do we avoid getting shot down again? Once we know we're eligible, I think there's more than enough work to dole out. We just have to figure out how to be taken seriously for a change. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Only time will tell if our love is scratched in sand, Or if it's etched in stone.-- Poison, Only Time Will Tell - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Vincent Torri wrote: about these suggestions, would it be interesting to add them in the trac main page ? I think wiki.enlightenment.org would make more sense then trac. dan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, given that we've been shot down every year so far, I think the key question for us to address here is: How do we avoid getting shot down again? Once we know we're eligible, I think there's more than enough work to dole out. We just have to figure out how to be taken seriously for a change. Michael I think the key thing will be to come in with some strong proposals. In previous years I don't think we had anything concrete when the deadline came. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Judging by the participants from previous years, I think we are quite eligible from a project design point of view. IMHO, we should ask raster, since he was in contact with the google guys before, for specifics on why we were denied. Though, having solid proposals is certainly a must. В 12:41 -0600 на 25.02.2008 (пн), Nathan Ingersoll написа: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, given that we've been shot down every year so far, I think the key question for us to address here is: How do we avoid getting shot down again? Once we know we're eligible, I think there's more than enough work to dole out. We just have to figure out how to be taken seriously for a change. Michael I think the key thing will be to come in with some strong proposals. In previous years I don't think we had anything concrete when the deadline came. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Виктор Кожухаров /Viktor Kojouharov/ signature.asc Description: Това е цифрово подписана част от писмото - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
After some discussion on IRC: - Going with EFL might be better. As Nathan said it's far more original in that space than in the window manager space. - Someone need to stand as the SoC guy. He's not the one that would have to do everything, but would be responsible to peek other people about their proposals, put the text together and do the communication. Something like a manager or leader. - Interested mentors. I'm quite busy these days, so I'd like someone else to be the SoC guy, I will try to help as much as possible and I want to be a mentor. However if nobody candidates until this Friday 29-Feb I'll take this role. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi - Embedded and Mobile Software Development -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (81) 9927 0010 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Here is an example of an organizations Ideas page that might help get things rolling: http://www.x.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After some discussion on IRC: - Going with EFL might be better. As Nathan said it's far more original in that space than in the window manager space. - Someone need to stand as the SoC guy. He's not the one that would have to do everything, but would be responsible to peek other people about their proposals, put the text together and do the communication. Something like a manager or leader. - Interested mentors. I'm quite busy these days, so I'd like someone else to be the SoC guy, I will try to help as much as possible and I want to be a mentor. However if nobody candidates until this Friday 29-Feb I'll take this role. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi - Embedded and Mobile Software Development -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (81) 9927 0010 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:21:15 +0200 Виктор Кожухаров [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Judging by the participants from previous years, I think we are quite eligible from a project design point of view. IMHO, we should ask raster, since he was in contact with the google guys before, for specifics on why we were denied. Though, having solid proposals is certainly a must. there were no specifics on why we were denied beyond a vague we don't think you are a worthy/valid/interesting open source project. i have no interest in trying to change their opinion. in the end i think they see e as a wm - some bizarre corner-case wm that no one cares about anymore as everyone uses gnome or kde, and since e17 isn't released we are incompetent and unable to do anything. that's my guess - my deeper guess is that we've just ben blacklisted by someone inside the open source relations/whatever department. someone high up, and we aren't going to get it no matter how much effort we make. that's my guess (based on what little information ever got squeezed out of them as to SoC inclusion). В 12:41 -0600 на 25.02.2008 (пн), Nathan Ingersoll написа: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, given that we've been shot down every year so far, I think the key question for us to address here is: How do we avoid getting shot down again? Once we know we're eligible, I think there's more than enough work to dole out. We just have to figure out how to be taken seriously for a change. Michael I think the key thing will be to come in with some strong proposals. In previous years I don't think we had anything concrete when the deadline came. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Виктор Кожухаров /Viktor Kojouharov/ -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:23:06 -0500 dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Vincent Torri wrote: about these suggestions, would it be interesting to add them in the trac main page ? I think wiki.enlightenment.org would make more sense then trac. better than in the mailing list :) though trac is also a wiki... :) but as such the trac stuff is for more of an official todo list. SoC stuff is right now just banter :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Monday, 25 February 2008, at 12:41:37 (-0600), Nathan Ingersoll wrote: I think the key thing will be to come in with some strong proposals. In previous years I don't think we had anything concrete when the deadline came. If folks think that's the best approach, then by all means, let's get some ideas going. http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/Category:SummerOfCode Enjoy. :) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- May God stand between you and harm in all the empty places where you must walk. -- Old Arabic Blessing - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: better than in the mailing list :) though trac is also a wiki... :) but as such the trac stuff is for more of an official todo list. SoC stuff is right now just banter :) Is this were I resist the urge to mention that having two wiki's seems silly? dan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 3:30 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have no interest in trying to change their opinion. in the end i think they see e as a wm - some bizarre corner-case wm that no one cares about anymore as everyone uses gnome or kde, and since e17 isn't released we are incompetent and unable to do anything. that's my guess - my deeper guess is that we've just ben blacklisted by someone inside the open source relations/whatever department. someone high up, and we aren't going to get it no matter how much effort we make. that's my guess (based on what little information ever got squeezed out of them as to SoC inclusion). I don't think we have much to lose getting a decent application together. If nothing else we'll have a documented version of some of the wishful projects we've had in mind for a while. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On 02/25/2008 19:45, Michael Jennings wrote: On Monday, 25 February 2008, at 12:41:37 (-0600), Nathan Ingersoll wrote: I think the key thing will be to come in with some strong proposals. In previous years I don't think we had anything concrete when the deadline came. If folks think that's the best approach, then by all means, let's get some ideas going. http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/Category:SummerOfCode Enjoy. :) FWIW... I've added a touch of info to the page. Michael -- Regards, Ravenlock signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:51:40 -0600 Nathan Ingersoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 3:30 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have no interest in trying to change their opinion. in the end i think they see e as a wm - some bizarre corner-case wm that no one cares about anymore as everyone uses gnome or kde, and since e17 isn't released we are incompetent and unable to do anything. that's my guess - my deeper guess is that we've just ben blacklisted by someone inside the open source relations/whatever department. someone high up, and we aren't going to get it no matter how much effort we make. that's my guess (based on what little information ever got squeezed out of them as to SoC inclusion). I don't think we have much to lose getting a decent application together. If nothing else we'll have a documented version of some of the wishful projects we've had in mind for a while. sure! i have nothing against going for it. remember though - managing a SoC project is a lot of work from just the oversight point of view. so it doesn't come for free as such. if people wish to do an SoC entry - by all means, go for it. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code 2008
there were no specifics on why we were denied beyond a vague we don't think you are a worthy/valid/interesting open source project. That would be their right to decide of course, and a natural view for them since e has so-far shown little interest in web related 'technologies' whereas google in largely centered around such. By contrast, both of gtk/gnome and qt/kde have extensive support for that.. thus making those projects far more attractive. Not to push other projects here, but... What I don't understand is why this really interesting project called PyroDesktop hasn't been supported by them.. it seems like an excellent idea for a web-centered desktop shell - a Mozilla/xul based window manager. _ Paying too much for your business phone system? Click here to compare systems from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3ohtZpWeGpr2PUYz7KgHYiiRBQ4wpyGDGhJ4o2PwhIOqHblu/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code.
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:08:12 -0500 Gil Pinheiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: we have tried to get in for the past few years and been rejected. last time we were rejected basically because enlightenment is not relevant and is a dead project of no interest which is my summary/paraphrasing of what google thinks of us. so good luck. i have no intentions of trying to get into G's SoC. they have made their position clear and that's fine by me - it is their money after all. but i don't have the time to do mentoring or bother with the rigmarole of battling to get into SoC. it's also a fairly pitifully small amount of money to spend the effort battling for. Hello Everyone! I'll try and keep this short. I'd to participate in Google's summer of code program - and preferably I'd like to work on e17. The deadline for mentoring organizations is less than two weeks away (march 12th is the last day). I've talked to Dan Sinclair briefly and he suggested that I post here to get some project ideas, possible mentors, and hopefully get a copy of a previous years application so that we can get the machinery moving along. At this moment I'd prefer to work alongside dan on EWL, but if there is something else that needs attention, I'd be happy to do that. As for me, I'm a grad student at the university of guelph, canada. I've done some work with usability and hope to use my experience to make e17 even better. Gil Pinheiro - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code.
we have tried to get in for the past few years and been rejected. last time we were rejected basically because enlightenment is not relevant and is a dead project of no interest which is my summary/paraphrasing of what google thinks of us. so good luck. i have no intentions of trying to get into G's SoC. they have made their position clear and that's fine by me - it is their money after all. but i don't have the time to do mentoring or bother with the rigmarole of battling to get into SoC. it's also a fairly pitifully small amount of money to spend the effort battling for. Okay. I understand that you don't want to be bothered, but otherwise you don't have anything against trying, right? So I guess I'm still looking for a champion within the project to act as organizational administrator. Mentors come later, but right now I could use someone that can set up an official 'ideas' page and has the authority to speak for the project. Gil - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code.
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:38:35 -0500 Gil Pinheiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: we have tried to get in for the past few years and been rejected. last time we were rejected basically because enlightenment is not relevant and is a dead project of no interest which is my summary/paraphrasing of what google thinks of us. so good luck. i have no intentions of trying to get into G's SoC. they have made their position clear and that's fine by me - it is their money after all. but i don't have the time to do mentoring or bother with the rigmarole of battling to get into SoC. it's also a fairly pitifully small amount of money to spend the effort battling for. Okay. I understand that you don't want to be bothered, but otherwise you don't have anything against trying, right? So I guess I'm still looking for a champion within the project to act as organizational administrator. Mentors come later, but right now I could use someone that can set up an official 'ideas' page and has the authority to speak for the project. we don't need ideas - we have a TODO list. :) it's in the source - and there are fixme's and todo items through documentation and other source in libs too. it's there. it may need to be detailed more - before worrying about that, get google to say yes. no point wasting time on anything else until they do. i don't have time to champion this unfortunately - i have a hard enough time just keeping up with my email! :) Gil - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code.
Gil Pinheiro wrote: we have tried to get in for the past few years and been rejected. last time we were rejected basically because enlightenment is not relevant and is a dead project of no interest which is my summary/paraphrasing of what google thinks of us. so good luck. i have no intentions of trying to get into G's SoC. they have made their position clear and that's fine by me - it is their money after all. but i don't have the time to do mentoring or bother with the rigmarole of battling to get into SoC. it's also a fairly pitifully small amount of money to spend the effort battling for. Okay. I understand that you don't want to be bothered, but otherwise you don't have anything against trying, right? So I guess I'm still looking for a champion within the project to act as organizational administrator. Mentors come later, but right now I could use someone that can set up an official 'ideas' page and has the authority to speak for the project. Setting up the website isn't hard. We've got http://wiki.edevelop.org that you can create a page on. We've turned on anonymous posting to curb the spam so you'll have to register. dan - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Google Summer of Code.
Hello Everyone! I'll try and keep this short. I'd to participate in Google's summer of code program - and preferably I'd like to work on e17. The deadline for mentoring organizations is less than two weeks away (march 12th is the last day). I've talked to Dan Sinclair briefly and he suggested that I post here to get some project ideas, possible mentors, and hopefully get a copy of a previous years application so that we can get the machinery moving along. At this moment I'd prefer to work alongside dan on EWL, but if there is something else that needs attention, I'd be happy to do that. As for me, I'm a grad student at the university of guelph, canada. I've done some work with usability and hope to use my experience to make e17 even better. Gil Pinheiro - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Google Summer of Code.
Thanks for your interest Sahil, 'Summer of code' is a Google program to increase participation in open source projects. It is targeted towards students. Google provides a $4500 stipend for the participating student and $500 for the mentoring organization. As to what I'm looking to get from this, well, I use e17 daily, and believe in the direction that it is headed in. As with all open source projects the best way to show your appreciation is by investing time and effort. Basically it is my way of giving back to the community. The following is a link to the mentoring organization application template: http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60303topic=10727ctx=sibling Most of the questions are pretty much boilerplate, a few notable concerns include: setting up a idea page choosing a organization administrator details about previous years applications some worst case planning - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code
and i got back an answer from google - not interested in sponsoring us for SOC this year. They may be frightened by all the fanged ones and horned ones, and things like warriors, lords of chaos, ... and other such scary folk that are edevs. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0944bid$1720dat1642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:23:09 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: and i got back an answer from google - not interested in sponsoring us for SOC this year. They may be frightened by all the fanged ones and horned ones, and things like warriors, lords of chaos, ... and other such scary folk that are edevs. *#%!BOO%* (o)(o) / .. /\ \/ -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code
Ok thanks again for asking. Anyway that won't prevent me from (trying to) participate in e17 ;p Regards, Virgile Quoting Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:02:23 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:57:24 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: As a student, I would be greatly interested too. Looking forward to it ! as someone who would have to mentor - i'm dubious about it. 1. just having time and energy to do so is hard to find. i don't do e for a living - i do it in spare hours in between. 2. i wouldn't want to put the effort in for something that didn't generate something of good quality. if you ever WANT to be allowed to do this - you need to prove to me (and other devs) that you can do execellent work. so lets put it this way - who is interested and what do you want to do? what CAN you do? i have a hitlist of things that need doing - but a lot of them require a high degree of skill, autonomy and some good smarts. if you are going to be PAID to code - it may as well be something that is too hard for the average joe to do over a coffee break :) and i got back an answer from google - not interested in sponsoring us for SOC this year. Virgile Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: E Team, I remeber Last year there was interest in participating in GSOC by the dev team but it never happended. I am wondering if it on the table again this year ? Dan Kozlowski PS. http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Entropia : https://dev.kalimdor.org/entropia/ --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ??? Tokyo, Japan (?? ??) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ??? Tokyo, Japan (?? ??) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Entropia : https://dev.kalimdor.org/entropia/ --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0944bid$1720dat1642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code
Raster: can you show me that TODO list? i'm not that not huge pro in c, but have a lot of experiencein java programming, and it isn't so difficult to swith the thinking between the two. thanks On Tuesday 18 April 2006 11:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok thanks again for asking. Anyway that won't prevent me from (trying to) participate in e17 ;p Regards, Virgile Quoting Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:02:23 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:57:24 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: As a student, I would be greatly interested too. Looking forward to it ! as someone who would have to mentor - i'm dubious about it. 1. just having time and energy to do so is hard to find. i don't do e for a living - i do it in spare hours in between. 2. i wouldn't want to put the effort in for something that didn't generate something of good quality. if you ever WANT to be allowed to do this - you need to prove to me (and other devs) that you can do execellent work. so lets put it this way - who is interested and what do you want to do? what CAN you do? i have a hitlist of things that need doing - but a lot of them require a high degree of skill, autonomy and some good smarts. if you are going to be PAID to code - it may as well be something that is too hard for the average joe to do over a coffee break :) and i got back an answer from google - not interested in sponsoring us for SOC this year. Virgile Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: E Team, I remeber Last year there was interest in participating in GSOC by the dev team but it never happended. I am wondering if it on the table again this year ? Dan Kozlowski PS. http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=12 1642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Entropia : https://dev.kalimdor.org/entropia/ --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=1216 42 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ??? Tokyo, Japan (?? ??) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ??? Tokyo, Japan (?? ??) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Peter Parkanyi --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code
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Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:42:14 +0200 Peter Parkanyi [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Raster: can you show me that TODO list? i'm not that not huge pro in c, but have a lot of experiencein java programming, and it isn't so difficult to swith the thinking between the two. the TODO file in e17's src. thanks On Tuesday 18 April 2006 11:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok thanks again for asking. Anyway that won't prevent me from (trying to) participate in e17 ;p Regards, Virgile Quoting Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:02:23 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:57:24 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: As a student, I would be greatly interested too. Looking forward to it ! as someone who would have to mentor - i'm dubious about it. 1. just having time and energy to do so is hard to find. i don't do e for a living - i do it in spare hours in between. 2. i wouldn't want to put the effort in for something that didn't generate something of good quality. if you ever WANT to be allowed to do this - you need to prove to me (and other devs) that you can do execellent work. so lets put it this way - who is interested and what do you want to do? what CAN you do? i have a hitlist of things that need doing - but a lot of them require a high degree of skill, autonomy and some good smarts. if you are going to be PAID to code - it may as well be something that is too hard for the average joe to do over a coffee break :) and i got back an answer from google - not interested in sponsoring us for SOC this year. Virgile Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: E Team, I remeber Last year there was interest in participating in GSOC by the dev team but it never happended. I am wondering if it on the table again this year ? Dan Kozlowski PS. http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=12 1642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Entropia : https://dev.kalimdor.org/entropia/ --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=1216 42 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ??? Tokyo, Japan (?? ??) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ??? Tokyo, Japan (?? ??) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Peter Parkanyi --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code
On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:57:24 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: As a student, I would be greatly interested too. Looking forward to it ! as someone who would have to mentor - i'm dubious about it. 1. just having time and energy to do so is hard to find. i don't do e for a living - i do it in spare hours in between. 2. i wouldn't want to put the effort in for something that didn't generate something of good quality. if you ever WANT to be allowed to do this - you need to prove to me (and other devs) that you can do execellent work. so lets put it this way - who is interested and what do you want to do? what CAN you do? i have a hitlist of things that need doing - but a lot of them require a high degree of skill, autonomy and some good smarts. if you are going to be PAID to code - it may as well be something that is too hard for the average joe to do over a coffee break :) Virgile Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: E Team, I remeber Last year there was interest in participating in GSOC by the dev team but it never happended. I am wondering if it on the table again this year ? Dan Kozlowski PS. http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Entropia : https://dev.kalimdor.org/entropia/ --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Google Summer of Code
E Team, I remeber Last year there was interest in participating in GSOC by the dev team but it never happended. I am wondering if it on the table again this year ? Dan Kozlowski PS. http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Google Summer of Code
As a student, I would be greatly interested too. Looking forward to it ! Virgile Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: E Team, I remeber Last year there was interest in participating in GSOC by the dev team but it never happended. I am wondering if it on the table again this year ? Dan Kozlowski PS. http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Entropia : https://dev.kalimdor.org/entropia/ --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
