Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-19 Thread Ray
Well, if there's no immediate possibility of configurability, I vote for
CTRL+1,2,3..9,0

for me, those are the least likely to clash.

best,
Ray


2013/4/18 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com

 On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:50:29 +0200 Boris Faure bo...@fau.re said:

  On 13-04-18 14:20, Gustavo Lima Chaves wrote:
   * Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com [2013-04-19 00:36:01 +0900]:
  
   Sirs, what we really need and want is configurable keybindings in the
   terminal, just like yakuake/konsole have. It's too bad not to have
   options here.
 
  I hate to be that guy, but feel free to chime in and code it :)
  This is not my priority, nor raster's.
  Terminology is a fancy terminal emulator.
  I take care of the terminal emulator part and raster of the fancy
  part.
  There is room for others. Here is a perfect example.

 indeed. right NOW terminology needs to become a good terminal emulator in
 terms
 of vt100/escapes and it has to have its extended features polished and
 working
 well. totally configurable bindings is not even on the TODO at the moment
 and
 frankly that opens up a whole new can of worms in trying to stuff it into
 the
 current code. we might eventually do it, but it's not immediate.

 for NOW... can we agree on a set of bindings for switching to specific tabs
 directly? ie without configurability. regardless if there was
 configurability... these would have to be the defaults anyway.

 so back to the question - what should they be? i'm letting this debate
 thread
 be a place for people to vote and toss in suggestions.

 so we have:

 a) alt+1,2,3...9,0
 b) ctrl+f1,f2,F3F9,f10
 c) crtl+1,2,3...9,0

 any more suggestions? (other than writing a whole bindings abstraction
 layer or
 removing the feature entirely/making the whole feature and set of bindings
 a
 checkbox - not something i want to do at this stage)

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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread Boris Faure
On 13-04-18 07:44, Carsten Haitzler - Enlightenment Git wrote:
 raster pushed a commit to branch master.
 
 commit 4dd17b80aa90bb55c4b48272c93c6a12dff8ec42
 Author: Carsten Haitzler (Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com
 Date:   Thu Apr 18 23:56:12 2013 +0900
 
 alt + 1,2,3,...8,9,0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

Please don't do that. I use those key bindings in irssi to switch
between irc channels.

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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread Tom Hacohen
On 18/04/13 15:48, Boris Faure wrote:
 On 13-04-18 07:44, Carsten Haitzler - Enlightenment Git wrote:
 raster pushed a commit to branch master.

 commit 4dd17b80aa90bb55c4b48272c93c6a12dff8ec42
 Author: Carsten Haitzler (Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com
 Date:   Thu Apr 18 23:56:12 2013 +0900

  alt + 1,2,3,...8,9,0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

 Please don't do that. I use those key bindings in irssi to switch
 between irc channels.


So do I.

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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread Nicolas Aguirre
Me either :)

2013/4/18 Boris Faure bo...@fau.re:
 On 13-04-18 07:44, Carsten Haitzler - Enlightenment Git wrote:
 raster pushed a commit to branch master.

 commit 4dd17b80aa90bb55c4b48272c93c6a12dff8ec42
 Author: Carsten Haitzler (Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com
 Date:   Thu Apr 18 23:56:12 2013 +0900

 alt + 1,2,3,...8,9,0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

 Please don't do that. I use those key bindings in irssi to switch
 between irc channels.

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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:53:37 +0200 Nicolas Aguirre aguirre.nico...@gmail.com
said:

then find me some others. it was a user that reported that their terminal
(gnome terminal maybe) does this by default... (alt+numbers)... and that we
must have equivalent functionality... :) so find me other bindings.

 Me either :)
 
 2013/4/18 Boris Faure bo...@fau.re:
  On 13-04-18 07:44, Carsten Haitzler - Enlightenment Git wrote:
  raster pushed a commit to branch master.
 
  commit 4dd17b80aa90bb55c4b48272c93c6a12dff8ec42
  Author: Carsten Haitzler (Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com
  Date:   Thu Apr 18 23:56:12 2013 +0900
 
  alt + 1,2,3,...8,9,0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10
 
  Please don't do that. I use those key bindings in irssi to switch
  between irc channels.
 
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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread Raoul Hecky
Me too... :-(

Le 18.04.2013 16:48, Boris Faure a écrit :
 On 13-04-18 07:44, Carsten Haitzler - Enlightenment Git wrote:
 raster pushed a commit to branch master.

 commit 4dd17b80aa90bb55c4b48272c93c6a12dff8ec42
 Author: Carsten Haitzler (Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com
 Date:   Thu Apr 18 23:56:12 2013 +0900

 alt + 1,2,3,...8,9,0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

 Please don't do that. I use those key bindings in irssi to switch
 between irc channels.

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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread Boris Faure
On 13-04-19 00:22, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 then find me some others. it was a user that reported that their terminal
 (gnome terminal maybe) does this by default... (alt+numbers)... and that we
 must have equivalent functionality... :) so find me other bindings.

I wouldn't mind: Ctrl+F1 up to Ctrl+F24.
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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread Tom Hacohen
On 18/04/13 16:19, Boris Faure wrote:
 On 13-04-19 00:22, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 then find me some others. it was a user that reported that their terminal
 (gnome terminal maybe) does this by default... (alt+numbers)... and that we
 must have equivalent functionality... :) so find me other bindings.

 I wouldn't mind: Ctrl+F1 up to Ctrl+F24.


Bad. Those are used in G world (and probably others). For example 
Ctrl+F4 closes firefox tabs.

What about Ctrl+1-0 ?

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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:19:55 +0200 Boris Faure bo...@fau.re said:

 On 13-04-19 00:22, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
  then find me some others. it was a user that reported that their terminal
  (gnome terminal maybe) does this by default... (alt+numbers)... and that we
  must have equivalent functionality... :) so find me other bindings.
 
 I wouldn't mind: Ctrl+F1 up to Ctrl+F24.

i just checked. gnome terminal uses alt+1,2,3 etc. just like i just did...

so we have a problem. lots of users want/expect this behavior and are asking
for it. but at the same time you don't want it. i need to wait to hear if
anyone objects to ctrl+Fn (conflicts with something else maybe?)

so let's see.

and yes... i know - the traditional solution we employ in e land here is...

MAKE IT AN OPTION! :)

we currently have zero infra for all of these things being configurable
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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread Boris Faure
On 13-04-19 00:36, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:19:55 +0200 Boris Faure bo...@fau.re said:
 
  On 13-04-19 00:22, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
   then find me some others. it was a user that reported that their terminal
   (gnome terminal maybe) does this by default... (alt+numbers)... and that 
   we
   must have equivalent functionality... :) so find me other bindings.
  
  I wouldn't mind: Ctrl+F1 up to Ctrl+F24.
 
 i just checked. gnome terminal uses alt+1,2,3 etc. just like i just did...

damn :(

 so we have a problem. lots of users want/expect this behavior and are asking
 for it. but at the same time you don't want it. i need to wait to hear if
 anyone objects to ctrl+Fn (conflicts with something else maybe?)

I think ctrl+Fn is ugly. In the I'd prefer ctrl+1→0.

 and yes... i know - the traditional solution we employ in e land here is...
 
 MAKE IT AN OPTION! :)

an ugly option in Behavior
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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread Ray
Hello,

I am a heavy user of Terminology, it's my favorite terminal by far, but i
would *really* appreciate it if those keybindings could be easily
configured, I would not mind if I have to modify a config file, but at
least let me configure it, as I am very pedantic in regard to keyboard
shortcuts.

Best
Ray



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 On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:19:55 +0200 Boris Faure bo...@fau.re said:

  On 13-04-19 00:22, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
   then find me some others. it was a user that reported that their
 terminal
   (gnome terminal maybe) does this by default... (alt+numbers)... and
 that we
   must have equivalent functionality... :) so find me other bindings.
 
  I wouldn't mind: Ctrl+F1 up to Ctrl+F24.

 i just checked. gnome terminal uses alt+1,2,3 etc. just like i just did...

 so we have a problem. lots of users want/expect this behavior and are
 asking
 for it. but at the same time you don't want it. i need to wait to hear if
 anyone objects to ctrl+Fn (conflicts with something else maybe?)

 so let's see.

 and yes... i know - the traditional solution we employ in e land here is...

 MAKE IT AN OPTION! :)

 we currently have zero infra for all of these things being configurable
 bindings. i don't want to launch into that any time soon and unless we
 have to.

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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread Gustavo Lima Chaves
* Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com [2013-04-19 00:36:01 +0900]:

Sirs, what we really need and want is configurable keybindings in the
terminal, just like yakuake/konsole have. It's too bad not to have
options here.

 On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:19:55 +0200 Boris Faure bo...@fau.re said:
 
  On 13-04-19 00:22, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
   then find me some others. it was a user that reported that their terminal
   (gnome terminal maybe) does this by default... (alt+numbers)... and that 
   we
   must have equivalent functionality... :) so find me other bindings.
  
  I wouldn't mind: Ctrl+F1 up to Ctrl+F24.
 
 i just checked. gnome terminal uses alt+1,2,3 etc. just like i just did...
 
 so we have a problem. lots of users want/expect this behavior and are asking
 for it. but at the same time you don't want it. i need to wait to hear if
 anyone objects to ctrl+Fn (conflicts with something else maybe?)
 
 so let's see.
 
 and yes... i know - the traditional solution we employ in e land here is...
 
 MAKE IT AN OPTION! :)
 
 we currently have zero infra for all of these things being configurable
 bindings. i don't want to launch into that any time soon and unless we have 
 to.
 
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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread Daniel Juyung Seo
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.comwrote:

 On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:19:55 +0200 Boris Faure bo...@fau.re said:

  On 13-04-19 00:22, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
   then find me some others. it was a user that reported that their
 terminal
   (gnome terminal maybe) does this by default... (alt+numbers)... and
 that we
   must have equivalent functionality... :) so find me other bindings.
 
  I wouldn't mind: Ctrl+F1 up to Ctrl+F24.

 i just checked. gnome terminal uses alt+1,2,3 etc. just like i just did...

 so we have a problem. lots of users want/expect this behavior and are
 asking
 for it. but at the same time you don't want it. i need to wait to hear if
 anyone objects to ctrl+Fn (conflicts with something else maybe?)

 so let's see.

 and yes... i know - the traditional solution we employ in e land here is...

 MAKE IT AN OPTION! :)

 we currently have zero infra for all of these things being configurable
 bindings. i don't want to launch into that any time soon and unless we
 have to.


Yay! it was me who asked this feature and I really love your commit :)
Many GNOME Terminal users would like this but it will be great to have this
configurable as others requested.

Thanks for the good feature anyway :)

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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:20:16 -0300 Gustavo Lima Chaves
gl...@profusion.mobi wrote:

 * Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com [2013-04-19 00:36:01 +0900]:
 
 Sirs, what we really need and want is configurable keybindings in the
 terminal, just like yakuake/konsole have. It's too bad not to have
 options here.

I agree.  Gnome terminal using certain keybindings that are used by
(insert random shell program here) is one of the reasons I don't use
it.  Let's face it, does not matter what they are, soaking up ten random
keybindings is gonna get in the way of SOMETHING.  A already have to
reconfigure half the E17 key bindings, coz they get in the way of
something I use often.  And coz Raster is allergic to the Win key. :-P

Keybindings are a scarce resource, with lots of potential for conflicts,
let the users manage them.

  On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:19:55 +0200 Boris Faure bo...@fau.re said:
  
   On 13-04-19 00:22, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
then find me some others. it was a user that reported that
their terminal (gnome terminal maybe) does this by default...
(alt+numbers)... and that we must have equivalent
functionality... :) so find me other bindings.
   
   I wouldn't mind: Ctrl+F1 up to Ctrl+F24.
  
  i just checked. gnome terminal uses alt+1,2,3 etc. just like i just
  did...
  
  so we have a problem. lots of users want/expect this behavior and
  are asking for it. but at the same time you don't want it. i need
  to wait to hear if anyone objects to ctrl+Fn (conflicts with
  something else maybe?)
  
  so let's see.
  
  and yes... i know - the traditional solution we employ in e land
  here is...
  
  MAKE IT AN OPTION! :)
  
  we currently have zero infra for all of these things being
  configurable bindings. i don't want to launch into that any time
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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread Boris Faure
On 13-04-18 14:20, Gustavo Lima Chaves wrote:
 * Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com [2013-04-19 00:36:01 +0900]:
 
 Sirs, what we really need and want is configurable keybindings in the
 terminal, just like yakuake/konsole have. It's too bad not to have
 options here.

I hate to be that guy, but feel free to chime in and code it :)
This is not my priority, nor raster's.
Terminology is a fancy terminal emulator.
I take care of the terminal emulator part and raster of the fancy
part.
There is room for others. Here is a perfect example.

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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread Gustavo Lima Chaves
* Boris Faure bo...@fau.re [2013-04-18 19:50:29 +0200]:

 On 13-04-18 14:20, Gustavo Lima Chaves wrote:
  * Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com [2013-04-19 00:36:01 +0900]:
  
  Sirs, what we really need and want is configurable keybindings in the
  terminal, just like yakuake/konsole have. It's too bad not to have
  options here.
 
 I hate to be that guy, but feel free to chime in and code it :)
 This is not my priority, nor raster's.
 Terminology is a fancy terminal emulator.
 I take care of the terminal emulator part and raster of the fancy
 part.
 There is room for others. Here is a perfect example.

Yep, I intend to step in at some time, I'm not whipping people to do
things, hehe.  Just registering what we really want in the long term.

BTW, thanks for the terminal improvements.

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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:50:29 +0200 Boris Faure bo...@fau.re said:

 On 13-04-18 14:20, Gustavo Lima Chaves wrote:
  * Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com [2013-04-19 00:36:01 +0900]:
  
  Sirs, what we really need and want is configurable keybindings in the
  terminal, just like yakuake/konsole have. It's too bad not to have
  options here.
 
 I hate to be that guy, but feel free to chime in and code it :)
 This is not my priority, nor raster's.
 Terminology is a fancy terminal emulator.
 I take care of the terminal emulator part and raster of the fancy
 part.
 There is room for others. Here is a perfect example.

indeed. right NOW terminology needs to become a good terminal emulator in terms
of vt100/escapes and it has to have its extended features polished and working
well. totally configurable bindings is not even on the TODO at the moment and
frankly that opens up a whole new can of worms in trying to stuff it into the
current code. we might eventually do it, but it's not immediate.

for NOW... can we agree on a set of bindings for switching to specific tabs
directly? ie without configurability. regardless if there was
configurability... these would have to be the defaults anyway.

so back to the question - what should they be? i'm letting this debate thread
be a place for people to vote and toss in suggestions.

so we have:

a) alt+1,2,3...9,0
b) ctrl+f1,f2,F3F9,f10
c) crtl+1,2,3...9,0

any more suggestions? (other than writing a whole bindings abstraction layer or
removing the feature entirely/making the whole feature and set of bindings a
checkbox - not something i want to do at this stage)

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Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [apps/terminology] master 01/01: alt + 1, 2, 3, ...8, 9, 0 switch TO terminal tab # 1, 2, ... 8, 9, 10

2013-04-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:07:11 +0200 Ray r...@noplace.to said:

 Hello,
 
 I am a heavy user of Terminology, it's my favorite terminal by far, but i
 would *really* appreciate it if those keybindings could be easily
 configured, I would not mind if I have to modify a config file, but at
 least let me configure it, as I am very pedantic in regard to keyboard
 shortcuts.

writing an abstraction layer at all is the chunk of work bit. well half of
it. the other half is providing the config gui... :)

 Best
 Ray
 
 
 
 2013/4/18 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
 
  On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:19:55 +0200 Boris Faure bo...@fau.re said:
 
   On 13-04-19 00:22, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
then find me some others. it was a user that reported that their
  terminal
(gnome terminal maybe) does this by default... (alt+numbers)... and
  that we
must have equivalent functionality... :) so find me other bindings.
  
   I wouldn't mind: Ctrl+F1 up to Ctrl+F24.
 
  i just checked. gnome terminal uses alt+1,2,3 etc. just like i just did...
 
  so we have a problem. lots of users want/expect this behavior and are
  asking
  for it. but at the same time you don't want it. i need to wait to hear if
  anyone objects to ctrl+Fn (conflicts with something else maybe?)
 
  so let's see.
 
  and yes... i know - the traditional solution we employ in e land here is...
 
  MAKE IT AN OPTION! :)
 
  we currently have zero infra for all of these things being configurable
  bindings. i don't want to launch into that any time soon and unless we
  have to.
 
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