Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out

[Mike Blumenkrantz]

As I said in the ticket, the easiest solution is for people watching the
upstream theme to create a herald rule in phabricator which notifies when
any theme files are changed.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:35 AM Jeff Hoogland 
wrote:

> I understand now. My initial understanding of "themes are now stable" was
> that existing themes that worked previously would always work until it was
> stated we things where going to break.
>
> Not a big deal. Will just stick with the release I have that works until
> time permits for me to compare every change with the latest stable release.
> End users don't know or care about the latest version.
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Carsten Haitzler 
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:11:43 +1030 Simon Lees  said:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/19/2015 10:38 AM, Jeff Hoogland wrote:
> > > > I understand why this broke and I appreciate folks pointing out the
> > fix.
> > > > The point is it still broke and will require more time to fix the new
> > elm
> > > > we are using / maintaining.
> > > >
> > > > My point is that any change like this feels bad and makes updating
> > > > difficult. Not a big deal, I will make a note when I eventually
> update
> > EFL
> > > > / Elementary that I'll need to update all my themes. This just means
> it
> > > > will be later rather than sooner.
> > > I guess the main thing that could have been done better here is
> > > communicating that there was a bug in the default theme which was fixed
> > > and that themes based off it should incorporate the change, if that
> sort
> > > of info was in the release notes it would be helpful. Having said that
> I
> > > merge dark back into my theme every efl release to make sure that new
> > > widgets etc make it into my theme, generally for me this is about a 5
> > > minute process as I use git to manage my themes effectively at some
> > > point hopefully soon I'll start a wiki page on making custom themes but
> > > hopefully i'll have more time for that on the weekend.
> >
> > it actually is in the NEWS file for the 1.16:
> >
> >* elm toolbar 0 size items fix if icon not found (T2710)
> >
> > ok - not with the same name and description, but the fix is there. :)
> what
> > do
> > you expect us to stuff into a single line shortlog? :)
> >
> > > Cheers
> > > Simon
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Carsten Haitzler <
> > ras...@rasterman.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:20:14 -0600 Jeff Hoogland <
> > jeffhoogl...@gmail.com>
> > > >> said:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Good to know the theme API still is allowed to break release to
> > release.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Guess I'll stick with 1.15 for awhile so I don't have to worry
> about
> > > >>> chasing down issues with each release.
> > > >> no one said it was allowed to break and no single commit to toolbar
> > code
> > > >> between 1.15 and 1.16 goes explicitly breaking any theme api - go
> > read the
> > > >> commits and their diffs. we emit more signals than before - but we
> > didn't
> > > >> remove or rename any. nor any swallow parts, text part names etc.
> etc.
> > > >>
> > > >> before you go making accusations - make sure you have at least some
> > proof.
> > > >> the
> > > >> ONLY change to the default theme regarding toolbar was a bugfix in
> the
> > > >> default
> > > >> theme (yes - it has BUGS - funny that, and then you copy the theme,
> > do your
> > > >> own, and very likely DON'T fix corresponding bugs... but let's not
> > dwell on
> > > >> that)... let's go grab some facts.
> > > >>
> > > >> only 2 commits happened to default theme between 1.15 a 1.16
> affecting
> > > >> toolbar.
> > > >>
> > > >> ed948dc90829704860d355cc17b7da201d744719 by mike that simply removed
> > a line
> > > >> that was a default value anyway.
> > > >>
> > > >> 740cc0751807bb0c0bbb393d6e0d2e1588eb0678 that FIXED ZERO sized
> items.
> > not
> > > >> zero
> > > >> sized icons tho... it makes item_centered just an alias instead of
> an
> > > >> inherited
> > > >> part (saves space as the inherit made no changes) and it fixes the
> > > >> item_horizontal which is not used in your app. it is what is used in
> > > >> terminology tho...
> > > >>
> > > >> so no changes in default theme related to your issue.
> > > >>
> > > >> so lets look at code. 1.15 came out august 5. so:
> > > >>
> > > >> git diff -u --color src/lib/elm_toolbar.c
> > > >>
> > > >> all commits newer than 6008c2c3867e3198d468b66d703aa39ee21445a5 ...
> go
> > > >> read the
> > > >> diffs. find me one that goes brazenly breaking theme api. go on.
> find
> > it.
> > > >> none.
> > > >> the icon_size data field is used nowhere in default theme - so
> > changes to
> > > >> making it apply elm scale wouldn't break anything as you'd have to
> be
> > > >> setting
> > > >> scale to 0 or have an infinite base scale for this to change the
> > value, so
> > > >> if
> > > >> anything you already had it and it returned 0. so it can't sensibly
> be
> > > >> that.
> > > >>
> > > >> g

Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out

[Jeff Hoogland]

I understand now. My initial understanding of "themes are now stable" was
that existing themes that worked previously would always work until it was
stated we things where going to break.

Not a big deal. Will just stick with the release I have that works until
time permits for me to compare every change with the latest stable release.
End users don't know or care about the latest version.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Carsten Haitzler 
wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:11:43 +1030 Simon Lees  said:
>
> >
> >
> > On 11/19/2015 10:38 AM, Jeff Hoogland wrote:
> > > I understand why this broke and I appreciate folks pointing out the
> fix.
> > > The point is it still broke and will require more time to fix the new
> elm
> > > we are using / maintaining.
> > >
> > > My point is that any change like this feels bad and makes updating
> > > difficult. Not a big deal, I will make a note when I eventually update
> EFL
> > > / Elementary that I'll need to update all my themes. This just means it
> > > will be later rather than sooner.
> > I guess the main thing that could have been done better here is
> > communicating that there was a bug in the default theme which was fixed
> > and that themes based off it should incorporate the change, if that sort
> > of info was in the release notes it would be helpful. Having said that I
> > merge dark back into my theme every efl release to make sure that new
> > widgets etc make it into my theme, generally for me this is about a 5
> > minute process as I use git to manage my themes effectively at some
> > point hopefully soon I'll start a wiki page on making custom themes but
> > hopefully i'll have more time for that on the weekend.
>
> it actually is in the NEWS file for the 1.16:
>
>* elm toolbar 0 size items fix if icon not found (T2710)
>
> ok - not with the same name and description, but the fix is there. :) what
> do
> you expect us to stuff into a single line shortlog? :)
>
> > Cheers
> > Simon
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Carsten Haitzler <
> ras...@rasterman.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:20:14 -0600 Jeff Hoogland <
> jeffhoogl...@gmail.com>
> > >> said:
> > >>
> > >>> Good to know the theme API still is allowed to break release to
> release.
> > >>>
> > >>> Guess I'll stick with 1.15 for awhile so I don't have to worry about
> > >>> chasing down issues with each release.
> > >> no one said it was allowed to break and no single commit to toolbar
> code
> > >> between 1.15 and 1.16 goes explicitly breaking any theme api - go
> read the
> > >> commits and their diffs. we emit more signals than before - but we
> didn't
> > >> remove or rename any. nor any swallow parts, text part names etc. etc.
> > >>
> > >> before you go making accusations - make sure you have at least some
> proof.
> > >> the
> > >> ONLY change to the default theme regarding toolbar was a bugfix in the
> > >> default
> > >> theme (yes - it has BUGS - funny that, and then you copy the theme,
> do your
> > >> own, and very likely DON'T fix corresponding bugs... but let's not
> dwell on
> > >> that)... let's go grab some facts.
> > >>
> > >> only 2 commits happened to default theme between 1.15 a 1.16 affecting
> > >> toolbar.
> > >>
> > >> ed948dc90829704860d355cc17b7da201d744719 by mike that simply removed
> a line
> > >> that was a default value anyway.
> > >>
> > >> 740cc0751807bb0c0bbb393d6e0d2e1588eb0678 that FIXED ZERO sized items.
> not
> > >> zero
> > >> sized icons tho... it makes item_centered just an alias instead of an
> > >> inherited
> > >> part (saves space as the inherit made no changes) and it fixes the
> > >> item_horizontal which is not used in your app. it is what is used in
> > >> terminology tho...
> > >>
> > >> so no changes in default theme related to your issue.
> > >>
> > >> so lets look at code. 1.15 came out august 5. so:
> > >>
> > >> git diff -u --color src/lib/elm_toolbar.c
> > >>
> > >> all commits newer than 6008c2c3867e3198d468b66d703aa39ee21445a5 ... go
> > >> read the
> > >> diffs. find me one that goes brazenly breaking theme api. go on. find
> it.
> > >> none.
> > >> the icon_size data field is used nowhere in default theme - so
> changes to
> > >> making it apply elm scale wouldn't break anything as you'd have to be
> > >> setting
> > >> scale to 0 or have an infinite base scale for this to change the
> value, so
> > >> if
> > >> anything you already had it and it returned 0. so it can't sensibly be
> > >> that.
> > >>
> > >> getting focus? no - not related to icon sizing.
> > >>
> > >> sep 12 look - handling 0 item size ... we emitted the incorrect
> signals to
> > >> items
> > >> i fixed it. with some extra emits to explicitly make icon visible
> (not your
> > >> problem unless your theme is hiding icons when the signal says to
> make them
> > >> visible... is it? that'd be a theme bug) and of course emitting
> signals if
> > >> there is no icon (check code that is patched... the first if () is if
> > >> (it->i

Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out

[Simon Lees]

On 11/19/2015 05:31 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:11:43 +1030 Simon Lees  said:
>
>>
>> On 11/19/2015 10:38 AM, Jeff Hoogland wrote:
>>> I understand why this broke and I appreciate folks pointing out the fix.
>>> The point is it still broke and will require more time to fix the new elm
>>> we are using / maintaining.
>>>
>>> My point is that any change like this feels bad and makes updating
>>> difficult. Not a big deal, I will make a note when I eventually update EFL
>>> / Elementary that I'll need to update all my themes. This just means it
>>> will be later rather than sooner.
>> I guess the main thing that could have been done better here is
>> communicating that there was a bug in the default theme which was fixed
>> and that themes based off it should incorporate the change, if that sort
>> of info was in the release notes it would be helpful. Having said that I
>> merge dark back into my theme every efl release to make sure that new
>> widgets etc make it into my theme, generally for me this is about a 5
>> minute process as I use git to manage my themes effectively at some
>> point hopefully soon I'll start a wiki page on making custom themes but
>> hopefully i'll have more time for that on the weekend.
> it actually is in the NEWS file for the 1.16:
>
> * elm toolbar 0 size items fix if icon not found (T2710)
>
> ok - not with the same name and description, but the fix is there. :) what do
> you expect us to stuff into a single line shortlog? :)
Well I did help raise that bug and rebuilt my themes after it was 
closed, probably why mine worked, but it didn't make it clear that not 
applying this fix would break stuff that was working by some fluke 
before, mind you if you didn't know that it changed some behaviour thats 
pretty understandable :)
>
>> Cheers
>> Simon
>>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Carsten Haitzler 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:20:14 -0600 Jeff Hoogland 
 said:

> Good to know the theme API still is allowed to break release to release.
>
> Guess I'll stick with 1.15 for awhile so I don't have to worry about
> chasing down issues with each release.
 no one said it was allowed to break and no single commit to toolbar code
 between 1.15 and 1.16 goes explicitly breaking any theme api - go read the
 commits and their diffs. we emit more signals than before - but we didn't
 remove or rename any. nor any swallow parts, text part names etc. etc.

 before you go making accusations - make sure you have at least some proof.
 the
 ONLY change to the default theme regarding toolbar was a bugfix in the
 default
 theme (yes - it has BUGS - funny that, and then you copy the theme, do your
 own, and very likely DON'T fix corresponding bugs... but let's not dwell on
 that)... let's go grab some facts.

 only 2 commits happened to default theme between 1.15 a 1.16 affecting
 toolbar.

 ed948dc90829704860d355cc17b7da201d744719 by mike that simply removed a line
 that was a default value anyway.

 740cc0751807bb0c0bbb393d6e0d2e1588eb0678 that FIXED ZERO sized items. not
 zero
 sized icons tho... it makes item_centered just an alias instead of an
 inherited
 part (saves space as the inherit made no changes) and it fixes the
 item_horizontal which is not used in your app. it is what is used in
 terminology tho...

 so no changes in default theme related to your issue.

 so lets look at code. 1.15 came out august 5. so:

 git diff -u --color src/lib/elm_toolbar.c

 all commits newer than 6008c2c3867e3198d468b66d703aa39ee21445a5 ... go
 read the
 diffs. find me one that goes brazenly breaking theme api. go on. find it.
 none.
 the icon_size data field is used nowhere in default theme - so changes to
 making it apply elm scale wouldn't break anything as you'd have to be
 setting
 scale to 0 or have an infinite base scale for this to change the value, so
 if
 anything you already had it and it returned 0. so it can't sensibly be
 that.

 getting focus? no - not related to icon sizing.

 sep 12 look - handling 0 item size ... we emitted the incorrect signals to
 items
 i fixed it. with some extra emits to explicitly make icon visible (not your
 problem unless your theme is hiding icons when the signal says to make them
 visible... is it? that'd be a theme bug) and of course emitting signals if
 there is no icon (check code that is patched... the first if () is if
 (it->icon) ...) so it's handling the "i have no icon" case as well as the
 "i
 have no label" case which it didn't before.

 sep 15  - other focus changes. not icon or theme.

 sep 23 then select mode changes, not icon/theme.

 oct 2 - then atspi changes only doing things when atspi mode is on.

 oct 12 - 

Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:11:43 +1030 Simon Lees  said:

> 
> 
> On 11/19/2015 10:38 AM, Jeff Hoogland wrote:
> > I understand why this broke and I appreciate folks pointing out the fix.
> > The point is it still broke and will require more time to fix the new elm
> > we are using / maintaining.
> >
> > My point is that any change like this feels bad and makes updating
> > difficult. Not a big deal, I will make a note when I eventually update EFL
> > / Elementary that I'll need to update all my themes. This just means it
> > will be later rather than sooner.
> I guess the main thing that could have been done better here is 
> communicating that there was a bug in the default theme which was fixed 
> and that themes based off it should incorporate the change, if that sort 
> of info was in the release notes it would be helpful. Having said that I 
> merge dark back into my theme every efl release to make sure that new 
> widgets etc make it into my theme, generally for me this is about a 5 
> minute process as I use git to manage my themes effectively at some 
> point hopefully soon I'll start a wiki page on making custom themes but 
> hopefully i'll have more time for that on the weekend.

it actually is in the NEWS file for the 1.16:

   * elm toolbar 0 size items fix if icon not found (T2710)

ok - not with the same name and description, but the fix is there. :) what do
you expect us to stuff into a single line shortlog? :)

> Cheers
> Simon
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Carsten Haitzler 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:20:14 -0600 Jeff Hoogland 
> >> said:
> >>
> >>> Good to know the theme API still is allowed to break release to release.
> >>>
> >>> Guess I'll stick with 1.15 for awhile so I don't have to worry about
> >>> chasing down issues with each release.
> >> no one said it was allowed to break and no single commit to toolbar code
> >> between 1.15 and 1.16 goes explicitly breaking any theme api - go read the
> >> commits and their diffs. we emit more signals than before - but we didn't
> >> remove or rename any. nor any swallow parts, text part names etc. etc.
> >>
> >> before you go making accusations - make sure you have at least some proof.
> >> the
> >> ONLY change to the default theme regarding toolbar was a bugfix in the
> >> default
> >> theme (yes - it has BUGS - funny that, and then you copy the theme, do your
> >> own, and very likely DON'T fix corresponding bugs... but let's not dwell on
> >> that)... let's go grab some facts.
> >>
> >> only 2 commits happened to default theme between 1.15 a 1.16 affecting
> >> toolbar.
> >>
> >> ed948dc90829704860d355cc17b7da201d744719 by mike that simply removed a line
> >> that was a default value anyway.
> >>
> >> 740cc0751807bb0c0bbb393d6e0d2e1588eb0678 that FIXED ZERO sized items. not
> >> zero
> >> sized icons tho... it makes item_centered just an alias instead of an
> >> inherited
> >> part (saves space as the inherit made no changes) and it fixes the
> >> item_horizontal which is not used in your app. it is what is used in
> >> terminology tho...
> >>
> >> so no changes in default theme related to your issue.
> >>
> >> so lets look at code. 1.15 came out august 5. so:
> >>
> >> git diff -u --color src/lib/elm_toolbar.c
> >>
> >> all commits newer than 6008c2c3867e3198d468b66d703aa39ee21445a5 ... go
> >> read the
> >> diffs. find me one that goes brazenly breaking theme api. go on. find it.
> >> none.
> >> the icon_size data field is used nowhere in default theme - so changes to
> >> making it apply elm scale wouldn't break anything as you'd have to be
> >> setting
> >> scale to 0 or have an infinite base scale for this to change the value, so
> >> if
> >> anything you already had it and it returned 0. so it can't sensibly be
> >> that.
> >>
> >> getting focus? no - not related to icon sizing.
> >>
> >> sep 12 look - handling 0 item size ... we emitted the incorrect signals to
> >> items
> >> i fixed it. with some extra emits to explicitly make icon visible (not your
> >> problem unless your theme is hiding icons when the signal says to make them
> >> visible... is it? that'd be a theme bug) and of course emitting signals if
> >> there is no icon (check code that is patched... the first if () is if
> >> (it->icon) ...) so it's handling the "i have no icon" case as well as the
> >> "i
> >> have no label" case which it didn't before.
> >>
> >> sep 15  - other focus changes. not icon or theme.
> >>
> >> sep 23 then select mode changes, not icon/theme.
> >>
> >> oct 2 - then atspi changes only doing things when atspi mode is on.
> >>
> >> oct 12 - then a toolbar shrink mode change only applies if you have no
> >> items...
> >> not your case.
> >>
> >> now oct 15 - some moving of sizing evaluation to defer it to later to save
> >> cpu
> >> time. not a theme api break.
> >>
> >> now some more atspi stuff - not theme or icons...
> >>
> >> now oct 19 some more limiting of re-calcs to save cpu time
> >>
> >> nov 5 - atspi stuff 

Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out

[Simon Lees]

On 11/19/2015 10:38 AM, Jeff Hoogland wrote:
> I understand why this broke and I appreciate folks pointing out the fix.
> The point is it still broke and will require more time to fix the new elm
> we are using / maintaining.
>
> My point is that any change like this feels bad and makes updating
> difficult. Not a big deal, I will make a note when I eventually update EFL
> / Elementary that I'll need to update all my themes. This just means it
> will be later rather than sooner.
I guess the main thing that could have been done better here is 
communicating that there was a bug in the default theme which was fixed 
and that themes based off it should incorporate the change, if that sort 
of info was in the release notes it would be helpful. Having said that I 
merge dark back into my theme every efl release to make sure that new 
widgets etc make it into my theme, generally for me this is about a 5 
minute process as I use git to manage my themes effectively at some 
point hopefully soon I'll start a wiki page on making custom themes but 
hopefully i'll have more time for that on the weekend.

Cheers
Simon
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Carsten Haitzler 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:20:14 -0600 Jeff Hoogland 
>> said:
>>
>>> Good to know the theme API still is allowed to break release to release.
>>>
>>> Guess I'll stick with 1.15 for awhile so I don't have to worry about
>>> chasing down issues with each release.
>> no one said it was allowed to break and no single commit to toolbar code
>> between 1.15 and 1.16 goes explicitly breaking any theme api - go read the
>> commits and their diffs. we emit more signals than before - but we didn't
>> remove or rename any. nor any swallow parts, text part names etc. etc.
>>
>> before you go making accusations - make sure you have at least some proof.
>> the
>> ONLY change to the default theme regarding toolbar was a bugfix in the
>> default
>> theme (yes - it has BUGS - funny that, and then you copy the theme, do your
>> own, and very likely DON'T fix corresponding bugs... but let's not dwell on
>> that)... let's go grab some facts.
>>
>> only 2 commits happened to default theme between 1.15 a 1.16 affecting
>> toolbar.
>>
>> ed948dc90829704860d355cc17b7da201d744719 by mike that simply removed a line
>> that was a default value anyway.
>>
>> 740cc0751807bb0c0bbb393d6e0d2e1588eb0678 that FIXED ZERO sized items. not
>> zero
>> sized icons tho... it makes item_centered just an alias instead of an
>> inherited
>> part (saves space as the inherit made no changes) and it fixes the
>> item_horizontal which is not used in your app. it is what is used in
>> terminology tho...
>>
>> so no changes in default theme related to your issue.
>>
>> so lets look at code. 1.15 came out august 5. so:
>>
>> git diff -u --color src/lib/elm_toolbar.c
>>
>> all commits newer than 6008c2c3867e3198d468b66d703aa39ee21445a5 ... go
>> read the
>> diffs. find me one that goes brazenly breaking theme api. go on. find it.
>> none.
>> the icon_size data field is used nowhere in default theme - so changes to
>> making it apply elm scale wouldn't break anything as you'd have to be
>> setting
>> scale to 0 or have an infinite base scale for this to change the value, so
>> if
>> anything you already had it and it returned 0. so it can't sensibly be
>> that.
>>
>> getting focus? no - not related to icon sizing.
>>
>> sep 12 look - handling 0 item size ... we emitted the incorrect signals to
>> items
>> i fixed it. with some extra emits to explicitly make icon visible (not your
>> problem unless your theme is hiding icons when the signal says to make them
>> visible... is it? that'd be a theme bug) and of course emitting signals if
>> there is no icon (check code that is patched... the first if () is if
>> (it->icon) ...) so it's handling the "i have no icon" case as well as the
>> "i
>> have no label" case which it didn't before.
>>
>> sep 15  - other focus changes. not icon or theme.
>>
>> sep 23 then select mode changes, not icon/theme.
>>
>> oct 2 - then atspi changes only doing things when atspi mode is on.
>>
>> oct 12 - then a toolbar shrink mode change only applies if you have no
>> items...
>> not your case.
>>
>> now oct 15 - some moving of sizing evaluation to defer it to later to save
>> cpu
>> time. not a theme api break.
>>
>> now some more atspi stuff - not theme or icons...
>>
>> now oct 19 some more limiting of re-calcs to save cpu time
>>
>> nov 5 - atspi stuff again
>>
>> then 1.16 release.
>>
>> look. there's a reason i'm snapping back here. if you make an accusation
>> like
>> we are happily allowing theme api to break (and we care and actually try
>> not
>> to) then at least have something to back it up. show me a commit, change
>> etc.
>> that is obviously some theme api break we should have caught and not done?
>> show
>> me. i've BOTHERED to read commits and found nothing obvious to hunt.
>> whatever
>> has happened will take far more time and poking around a

Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out

[Christopher Michael]

Normally I would not comment on a thread like this as "the issue" seems 
to be resolved 

However, I just wanted to add a note for Jeff (and potentially others 
who do distros, themes, etc) and that is:

If You make themes, new code, code changes, etc, which basically "copies 
the default" (then makes modifications) ... The best advise I could give 
would be:

"Keep Track Of Changes (in our git master) For What You Copied"

I realize this "sounds" like beating a dead horse (not what I am trying 
to do tho), but keeping track of those changes would avoid future 
frustration and issues (like this). Also it would make updating to 
future versions (eg: EFL 1.6) much easier ;)

Kind Regards and Happy Hacking ;)

dh


On 11/18/2015 07:08 PM, Jeff Hoogland wrote:
> I understand why this broke and I appreciate folks pointing out the fix.
> The point is it still broke and will require more time to fix the new elm
> we are using / maintaining.
>


> My point is that any change like this feels bad and makes updating
> difficult. Not a big deal, I will make a note when I eventually update EFL
> / Elementary that I'll need to update all my themes. This just means it
> will be later rather than sooner.
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Carsten Haitzler 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:20:14 -0600 Jeff Hoogland 
>> said:
>>
>>> Good to know the theme API still is allowed to break release to release.
>>>
>>> Guess I'll stick with 1.15 for awhile so I don't have to worry about
>>> chasing down issues with each release.
>>
>> no one said it was allowed to break and no single commit to toolbar code
>> between 1.15 and 1.16 goes explicitly breaking any theme api - go read the
>> commits and their diffs. we emit more signals than before - but we didn't
>> remove or rename any. nor any swallow parts, text part names etc. etc.
>>
>> before you go making accusations - make sure you have at least some proof.
>> the
>> ONLY change to the default theme regarding toolbar was a bugfix in the
>> default
>> theme (yes - it has BUGS - funny that, and then you copy the theme, do your
>> own, and very likely DON'T fix corresponding bugs... but let's not dwell on
>> that)... let's go grab some facts.
>>
>> only 2 commits happened to default theme between 1.15 a 1.16 affecting
>> toolbar.
>>
>> ed948dc90829704860d355cc17b7da201d744719 by mike that simply removed a line
>> that was a default value anyway.
>>
>> 740cc0751807bb0c0bbb393d6e0d2e1588eb0678 that FIXED ZERO sized items. not
>> zero
>> sized icons tho... it makes item_centered just an alias instead of an
>> inherited
>> part (saves space as the inherit made no changes) and it fixes the
>> item_horizontal which is not used in your app. it is what is used in
>> terminology tho...
>>
>> so no changes in default theme related to your issue.
>>
>> so lets look at code. 1.15 came out august 5. so:
>>
>> git diff -u --color src/lib/elm_toolbar.c
>>
>> all commits newer than 6008c2c3867e3198d468b66d703aa39ee21445a5 ... go
>> read the
>> diffs. find me one that goes brazenly breaking theme api. go on. find it.
>> none.
>> the icon_size data field is used nowhere in default theme - so changes to
>> making it apply elm scale wouldn't break anything as you'd have to be
>> setting
>> scale to 0 or have an infinite base scale for this to change the value, so
>> if
>> anything you already had it and it returned 0. so it can't sensibly be
>> that.
>>
>> getting focus? no - not related to icon sizing.
>>
>> sep 12 look - handling 0 item size ... we emitted the incorrect signals to
>> items
>> i fixed it. with some extra emits to explicitly make icon visible (not your
>> problem unless your theme is hiding icons when the signal says to make them
>> visible... is it? that'd be a theme bug) and of course emitting signals if
>> there is no icon (check code that is patched... the first if () is if
>> (it->icon) ...) so it's handling the "i have no icon" case as well as the
>> "i
>> have no label" case which it didn't before.
>>
>> sep 15  - other focus changes. not icon or theme.
>>
>> sep 23 then select mode changes, not icon/theme.
>>
>> oct 2 - then atspi changes only doing things when atspi mode is on.
>>
>> oct 12 - then a toolbar shrink mode change only applies if you have no
>> items...
>> not your case.
>>
>> now oct 15 - some moving of sizing evaluation to defer it to later to save
>> cpu
>> time. not a theme api break.
>>
>> now some more atspi stuff - not theme or icons...
>>
>> now oct 19 some more limiting of re-calcs to save cpu time
>>
>> nov 5 - atspi stuff again
>>
>> then 1.16 release.
>>
>> look. there's a reason i'm snapping back here. if you make an accusation
>> like
>> we are happily allowing theme api to break (and we care and actually try
>> not
>> to) then at least have something to back it up. show me a commit, change
>> etc.
>> that is obviously some theme api break we should have caught and not done?
>> show
>> me. i've BOTHERED to read commits and found nothin

Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out

[Jeff Hoogland]

I understand why this broke and I appreciate folks pointing out the fix.
The point is it still broke and will require more time to fix the new elm
we are using / maintaining.

My point is that any change like this feels bad and makes updating
difficult. Not a big deal, I will make a note when I eventually update EFL
/ Elementary that I'll need to update all my themes. This just means it
will be later rather than sooner.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Carsten Haitzler 
wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:20:14 -0600 Jeff Hoogland 
> said:
>
> > Good to know the theme API still is allowed to break release to release.
> >
> > Guess I'll stick with 1.15 for awhile so I don't have to worry about
> > chasing down issues with each release.
>
> no one said it was allowed to break and no single commit to toolbar code
> between 1.15 and 1.16 goes explicitly breaking any theme api - go read the
> commits and their diffs. we emit more signals than before - but we didn't
> remove or rename any. nor any swallow parts, text part names etc. etc.
>
> before you go making accusations - make sure you have at least some proof.
> the
> ONLY change to the default theme regarding toolbar was a bugfix in the
> default
> theme (yes - it has BUGS - funny that, and then you copy the theme, do your
> own, and very likely DON'T fix corresponding bugs... but let's not dwell on
> that)... let's go grab some facts.
>
> only 2 commits happened to default theme between 1.15 a 1.16 affecting
> toolbar.
>
> ed948dc90829704860d355cc17b7da201d744719 by mike that simply removed a line
> that was a default value anyway.
>
> 740cc0751807bb0c0bbb393d6e0d2e1588eb0678 that FIXED ZERO sized items. not
> zero
> sized icons tho... it makes item_centered just an alias instead of an
> inherited
> part (saves space as the inherit made no changes) and it fixes the
> item_horizontal which is not used in your app. it is what is used in
> terminology tho...
>
> so no changes in default theme related to your issue.
>
> so lets look at code. 1.15 came out august 5. so:
>
> git diff -u --color src/lib/elm_toolbar.c
>
> all commits newer than 6008c2c3867e3198d468b66d703aa39ee21445a5 ... go
> read the
> diffs. find me one that goes brazenly breaking theme api. go on. find it.
> none.
> the icon_size data field is used nowhere in default theme - so changes to
> making it apply elm scale wouldn't break anything as you'd have to be
> setting
> scale to 0 or have an infinite base scale for this to change the value, so
> if
> anything you already had it and it returned 0. so it can't sensibly be
> that.
>
> getting focus? no - not related to icon sizing.
>
> sep 12 look - handling 0 item size ... we emitted the incorrect signals to
> items
> i fixed it. with some extra emits to explicitly make icon visible (not your
> problem unless your theme is hiding icons when the signal says to make them
> visible... is it? that'd be a theme bug) and of course emitting signals if
> there is no icon (check code that is patched... the first if () is if
> (it->icon) ...) so it's handling the "i have no icon" case as well as the
> "i
> have no label" case which it didn't before.
>
> sep 15  - other focus changes. not icon or theme.
>
> sep 23 then select mode changes, not icon/theme.
>
> oct 2 - then atspi changes only doing things when atspi mode is on.
>
> oct 12 - then a toolbar shrink mode change only applies if you have no
> items...
> not your case.
>
> now oct 15 - some moving of sizing evaluation to defer it to later to save
> cpu
> time. not a theme api break.
>
> now some more atspi stuff - not theme or icons...
>
> now oct 19 some more limiting of re-calcs to save cpu time
>
> nov 5 - atspi stuff again
>
> then 1.16 release.
>
> look. there's a reason i'm snapping back here. if you make an accusation
> like
> we are happily allowing theme api to break (and we care and actually try
> not
> to) then at least have something to back it up. show me a commit, change
> etc.
> that is obviously some theme api break we should have caught and not done?
> show
> me. i've BOTHERED to read commits and found nothing obvious to hunt.
> whatever
> has happened will take far more time and poking around and we have no idea
> WHAT
> the problem is.
>
> it could quite easily be simply a theme bug in your theme that now just
> HAPPENS
> to be triggered. it could easily be that it got away by LUCK before, not by
> design. much like if your distro booted right to a root prompt before and
> maybe
> now has decided to force a login instead?  if maybe before i did char *x =
> malloc(10); free(x); *x = 1; and it WORKED before and NOW crashes because
> it's
> now stricter and actually fails when you do something wrong.
>
> i don't know, BUT i can say this. the toolbar icons are elm icon widgets.
> they
> are swallowed. unless they set a minimum size of their own - they will very
> likely size down to 0 unless the toolbar itself is forcibly expanded to be
> bigger so there is space for icons to gro

Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 13:20:14 -0600 Jeff Hoogland  said:

> Good to know the theme API still is allowed to break release to release.
> 
> Guess I'll stick with 1.15 for awhile so I don't have to worry about
> chasing down issues with each release.

no one said it was allowed to break and no single commit to toolbar code
between 1.15 and 1.16 goes explicitly breaking any theme api - go read the
commits and their diffs. we emit more signals than before - but we didn't
remove or rename any. nor any swallow parts, text part names etc. etc.

before you go making accusations - make sure you have at least some proof. the
ONLY change to the default theme regarding toolbar was a bugfix in the default
theme (yes - it has BUGS - funny that, and then you copy the theme, do your
own, and very likely DON'T fix corresponding bugs... but let's not dwell on
that)... let's go grab some facts.

only 2 commits happened to default theme between 1.15 a 1.16 affecting toolbar.

ed948dc90829704860d355cc17b7da201d744719 by mike that simply removed a line
that was a default value anyway.

740cc0751807bb0c0bbb393d6e0d2e1588eb0678 that FIXED ZERO sized items. not zero
sized icons tho... it makes item_centered just an alias instead of an inherited
part (saves space as the inherit made no changes) and it fixes the
item_horizontal which is not used in your app. it is what is used in
terminology tho...

so no changes in default theme related to your issue.

so lets look at code. 1.15 came out august 5. so:

git diff -u --color src/lib/elm_toolbar.c

all commits newer than 6008c2c3867e3198d468b66d703aa39ee21445a5 ... go read the
diffs. find me one that goes brazenly breaking theme api. go on. find it. none.
the icon_size data field is used nowhere in default theme - so changes to
making it apply elm scale wouldn't break anything as you'd have to be setting
scale to 0 or have an infinite base scale for this to change the value, so if
anything you already had it and it returned 0. so it can't sensibly be that.

getting focus? no - not related to icon sizing.

sep 12 look - handling 0 item size ... we emitted the incorrect signals to items
i fixed it. with some extra emits to explicitly make icon visible (not your
problem unless your theme is hiding icons when the signal says to make them
visible... is it? that'd be a theme bug) and of course emitting signals if
there is no icon (check code that is patched... the first if () is if
(it->icon) ...) so it's handling the "i have no icon" case as well as the "i
have no label" case which it didn't before.

sep 15  - other focus changes. not icon or theme.

sep 23 then select mode changes, not icon/theme.

oct 2 - then atspi changes only doing things when atspi mode is on.

oct 12 - then a toolbar shrink mode change only applies if you have no items...
not your case.

now oct 15 - some moving of sizing evaluation to defer it to later to save cpu
time. not a theme api break.

now some more atspi stuff - not theme or icons...

now oct 19 some more limiting of re-calcs to save cpu time

nov 5 - atspi stuff again

then 1.16 release.

look. there's a reason i'm snapping back here. if you make an accusation like
we are happily allowing theme api to break (and we care and actually try not
to) then at least have something to back it up. show me a commit, change etc.
that is obviously some theme api break we should have caught and not done? show
me. i've BOTHERED to read commits and found nothing obvious to hunt. whatever
has happened will take far more time and poking around and we have no idea WHAT
the problem is.

it could quite easily be simply a theme bug in your theme that now just HAPPENS
to be triggered. it could easily be that it got away by LUCK before, not by
design. much like if your distro booted right to a root prompt before and maybe
now has decided to force a login instead?  if maybe before i did char *x =
malloc(10); free(x); *x = 1; and it WORKED before and NOW crashes because it's
now stricter and actually fails when you do something wrong.

i don't know, BUT i can say this. the toolbar icons are elm icon widgets. they
are swallowed. unless they set a minimum size of their own - they will very
likely size down to 0 unless the toolbar itself is forcibly expanded to be
bigger so there is space for icons to grow. icon size can be determined by
theme and it can be overridden by api. elm icon itself doesn't determine its own
min size at all. in fact i'm kind of baffled by icons are not 0 sized by
default. it seems by luck they are not - but what luck, i don't know

so jeff - please at least dig a little bit before making unsubstantiated
accusations.

> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Jeff Hoogland 
> wrote:
> 
> > Opened a ticket -> https://phab.enlightenment.org/T2848
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Simon Lees  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/15/2015 12:31 PM, Jeff Hoogland wrote:
> >> > This seems to be theme related, icons appear as expected in the default
> >> > theme on Eleme

Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out

[Cedric BAIL]

Thanks Mike for the complete break down and analysis of where the problem
did come from. That's one problem less to worry about.

Le 15 nov. 2015 11:21, "Jeff Hoogland"  a écrit :
>
> Opened a ticket -> https://phab.enlightenment.org/T2848
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Simon Lees  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 11/15/2015 12:31 PM, Jeff Hoogland wrote:
> > > This seems to be theme related, icons appear as expected in the
default
> > > theme on Elementary 1.16
> > >
> > > Guess I'll open a bug report.
> > I can confirm this on a older theme i have, the ones I merged with dark
> > in the last month or so seem fine.
> >
> > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Jeff Hoogland 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Anyone else seeing an issue with images on toolbars with 1.16? ePad
and
> > >> ePhoto are both missing icons on their tool bar here with the 1.16
> > bindings
> > >> VS 1.15.1
> > >>
> > >> Screenshot:
> > >>
> > >> http://i.imgur.com/wmuiJYB.png
> > >>
> > >> Exact same ePad code, the one on the right is using elementary 1.15.1
> > the
> > >> one on the left is using 1.16
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 5:09 AM, Stefan Schmidt <
ste...@osg.samsung.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> = Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out =
> > >>>
> > >>> After three months of development work we are proud to announce the
> > >>> release of
> > >>> version 1.16 of the EFL, Elementary, Evas Generic Loaders and
Emotion
> > >>> Generic
> > >>> Players. In these 12 weeks we got over 700 commits from 58 authors
in
> > >>> EFL alone.
> > >>> We slowed down a bit from last release (by around 300 commits).
> > >>> Elementary has another
> > >>> 382 commits by 52 authors. Great job everyone! Some highlights are
> > >>> listed below.
> > >>>
> > >>> == Download ==
> > >>>
> > >>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/efl/efl-1.16.0.tar.gz
> > >>> 35af0783d6dd87ebb435c46fd662ef5a648510d74fb6dc6540a3165c9b221e50
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/elementary/elementary-1.16.0.tar.gz
> > >>> 18b1f2d55af46840d0a9477a615d0c5a033b24f06d8fcf539da33aa5db357bd0
> > >>> <
> >
http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/elementary/elementary-1.16.0.tar.gz18b1f2d55af46840d0a9477a615d0c5a033b24f06d8fcf539da33aa5db357bd0
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/emotion_generic_players/emotion_generic_players-1.16.0.tar.gz
> > >>> cbb34faa0b6d114a3a0a5e4451f03f8423c5a48fd3fe9a6c6ecdfa65f4083c80
> > >>> <
> >
http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/emotion_generic_players/emotion_generic_players-1.16.0.tar.gzcbb34faa0b6d114a3a0a5e4451f03f8423c5a48fd3fe9a6c6ecdfa65f4083c80
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/evas_generic_loaders/evas_generic_loaders-1.16.0.tar.gz
> > >>> 0928a675bca95f7929626550eae85559d296b33b3ecc111aece4744601369a1a
> > >>> <
> >
http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/evas_generic_loaders/evas_generic_loaders-1.16.0.tar.gz0928a675bca95f7929626550eae85559d296b33b3ecc111aece4744601369a1a
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>> 
> > >>>
> > >>> = What's New =
> > >>>
> > >>> Even if we had only three months a lot has happened during the 1.16
> > >>> release cycle.
> > >>> We only cover some highlights here. For the full list please look at
> > the
> > >>> NEWS files
> > >>> if you are interested in the details. As usual we have been working
on
> > >>> fixing bugs,
> > >>> optimising our code for speed and memory footprint and adding new
> > >>> features.
> > >>> Below we describe just some highlights and by no means provide a
full
> > >>> list.
> > >>>
> > >>> = EFL =
> > >>>
> > >>> == Wayland ==
> > >>> The focus of work on our wayland areas have been stabilisation and
> > >>> filling of gaps for the upcoming E20 release. To make 1.16 a solid
base
> > >>> for it work has been gone to make the evas drm engine more solid and
> > >>> adding support for things like adjusting keyboard repeat and rate
> > delay,
> > >>> etc
> > >>>
> > >>> == Evas GL ==
> > >>> Besides some normal optimisation evas GL got support for the new
> > partial
> > >>> update extension.
> > >>>
> > >>> == Eina ==
> > >>> To aid debugging and tooling infrastructure eina thread does now
> > support
> > >>> setting thread names and many internal threads are already named.
> > >>>
> > >>> == Eo (BETA) ==
> > >>> A lot of optimisation, memory as well as CPU time, has been gone
into
> > EO
> > >>> this time. Initially we hoped to declare EO stable after this
> > >>> development cycle, but we need to postpone this for at least another
> > >>> cycle as some more optimisation are being planned which might break
> > ABI.
> > >>>
> > >>> == Elementary ==
> > >>> We improved our thumbscroll finger scrolling to be smoother and
worked
> > >>> on various parts of focus handling of items. On the ATSPI front we
> > added
> > >>> a translation domain for name and description as well as support for
> > the
> > >>> org.a11y.atspi.Collection interface.
> > >

Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out

[Jeff Hoogland]

Good to know the theme API still is allowed to break release to release.

Guess I'll stick with 1.15 for awhile so I don't have to worry about
chasing down issues with each release.

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Jeff Hoogland 
wrote:

> Opened a ticket -> https://phab.enlightenment.org/T2848
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Simon Lees  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 11/15/2015 12:31 PM, Jeff Hoogland wrote:
>> > This seems to be theme related, icons appear as expected in the default
>> > theme on Elementary 1.16
>> >
>> > Guess I'll open a bug report.
>> I can confirm this on a older theme i have, the ones I merged with dark
>> in the last month or so seem fine.
>>
>> > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Jeff Hoogland 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Anyone else seeing an issue with images on toolbars with 1.16? ePad and
>> >> ePhoto are both missing icons on their tool bar here with the 1.16
>> bindings
>> >> VS 1.15.1
>> >>
>> >> Screenshot:
>> >>
>> >> http://i.imgur.com/wmuiJYB.png
>> >>
>> >> Exact same ePad code, the one on the right is using elementary 1.15.1
>> the
>> >> one on the left is using 1.16
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 5:09 AM, Stefan Schmidt > >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> = Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out =
>> >>>
>> >>> After three months of development work we are proud to announce the
>> >>> release of
>> >>> version 1.16 of the EFL, Elementary, Evas Generic Loaders and Emotion
>> >>> Generic
>> >>> Players. In these 12 weeks we got over 700 commits from 58 authors in
>> >>> EFL alone.
>> >>> We slowed down a bit from last release (by around 300 commits).
>> >>> Elementary has another
>> >>> 382 commits by 52 authors. Great job everyone! Some highlights are
>> >>> listed below.
>> >>>
>> >>> == Download ==
>> >>>
>> >>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/efl/efl-1.16.0.tar.gz
>> >>> 35af0783d6dd87ebb435c46fd662ef5a648510d74fb6dc6540a3165c9b221e50
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/elementary/elementary-1.16.0.tar.gz
>> >>> 18b1f2d55af46840d0a9477a615d0c5a033b24f06d8fcf539da33aa5db357bd0
>> >>> <
>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/elementary/elementary-1.16.0.tar.gz18b1f2d55af46840d0a9477a615d0c5a033b24f06d8fcf539da33aa5db357bd0
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/emotion_generic_players/emotion_generic_players-1.16.0.tar.gz
>> >>> cbb34faa0b6d114a3a0a5e4451f03f8423c5a48fd3fe9a6c6ecdfa65f4083c80
>> >>> <
>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/emotion_generic_players/emotion_generic_players-1.16.0.tar.gzcbb34faa0b6d114a3a0a5e4451f03f8423c5a48fd3fe9a6c6ecdfa65f4083c80
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/evas_generic_loaders/evas_generic_loaders-1.16.0.tar.gz
>> >>> 0928a675bca95f7929626550eae85559d296b33b3ecc111aece4744601369a1a
>> >>> <
>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/evas_generic_loaders/evas_generic_loaders-1.16.0.tar.gz0928a675bca95f7929626550eae85559d296b33b3ecc111aece4744601369a1a
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> = What's New =
>> >>>
>> >>> Even if we had only three months a lot has happened during the 1.16
>> >>> release cycle.
>> >>> We only cover some highlights here. For the full list please look at
>> the
>> >>> NEWS files
>> >>> if you are interested in the details. As usual we have been working on
>> >>> fixing bugs,
>> >>> optimising our code for speed and memory footprint and adding new
>> >>> features.
>> >>> Below we describe just some highlights and by no means provide a full
>> >>> list.
>> >>>
>> >>> = EFL =
>> >>>
>> >>> == Wayland ==
>> >>> The focus of work on our wayland areas have been stabilisation and
>> >>> filling of gaps for the upcoming E20 release. To make 1.16 a solid
>> base
>> >>> for it work has been gone to make the evas drm engine more solid and
>> >>> adding support for things like adjusting keyboard repeat and rate
>> delay,
>> >>> etc
>> >>>
>> >>> == Evas GL ==
>> >>> Besides some normal optimisation evas GL got support for the new
>> partial
>> >>> update extension.
>> >>>
>> >>> == Eina ==
>> >>> To aid debugging and tooling infrastructure eina thread does now
>> support
>> >>> setting thread names and many internal threads are already named.
>> >>>
>> >>> == Eo (BETA) ==
>> >>> A lot of optimisation, memory as well as CPU time, has been gone into
>> EO
>> >>> this time. Initially we hoped to declare EO stable after this
>> >>> development cycle, but we need to postpone this for at least another
>> >>> cycle as some more optimisation are being planned which might break
>> ABI.
>> >>>
>> >>> == Elementary ==
>> >>> We improved our thumbscroll finger scrolling to be smoother and worked
>> >>> on various parts of focus handling of items. On the ATSPI front we
>> added
>> >>> a translation domain for name and description as well as support for
>> the
>> >>> org.a11y.atspi.Collection interface.
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> = Statistics =
>> >>>
>> >>> == EFL ==
>> >>> (git log -

Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out

[Jeff Hoogland]

Opened a ticket -> https://phab.enlightenment.org/T2848

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Simon Lees  wrote:

>
>
> On 11/15/2015 12:31 PM, Jeff Hoogland wrote:
> > This seems to be theme related, icons appear as expected in the default
> > theme on Elementary 1.16
> >
> > Guess I'll open a bug report.
> I can confirm this on a older theme i have, the ones I merged with dark
> in the last month or so seem fine.
>
> > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Jeff Hoogland 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone else seeing an issue with images on toolbars with 1.16? ePad and
> >> ePhoto are both missing icons on their tool bar here with the 1.16
> bindings
> >> VS 1.15.1
> >>
> >> Screenshot:
> >>
> >> http://i.imgur.com/wmuiJYB.png
> >>
> >> Exact same ePad code, the one on the right is using elementary 1.15.1
> the
> >> one on the left is using 1.16
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 5:09 AM, Stefan Schmidt 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> = Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out =
> >>>
> >>> After three months of development work we are proud to announce the
> >>> release of
> >>> version 1.16 of the EFL, Elementary, Evas Generic Loaders and Emotion
> >>> Generic
> >>> Players. In these 12 weeks we got over 700 commits from 58 authors in
> >>> EFL alone.
> >>> We slowed down a bit from last release (by around 300 commits).
> >>> Elementary has another
> >>> 382 commits by 52 authors. Great job everyone! Some highlights are
> >>> listed below.
> >>>
> >>> == Download ==
> >>>
> >>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/efl/efl-1.16.0.tar.gz
> >>> 35af0783d6dd87ebb435c46fd662ef5a648510d74fb6dc6540a3165c9b221e50
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/elementary/elementary-1.16.0.tar.gz
> >>> 18b1f2d55af46840d0a9477a615d0c5a033b24f06d8fcf539da33aa5db357bd0
> >>> <
> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/elementary/elementary-1.16.0.tar.gz18b1f2d55af46840d0a9477a615d0c5a033b24f06d8fcf539da33aa5db357bd0
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/emotion_generic_players/emotion_generic_players-1.16.0.tar.gz
> >>> cbb34faa0b6d114a3a0a5e4451f03f8423c5a48fd3fe9a6c6ecdfa65f4083c80
> >>> <
> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/emotion_generic_players/emotion_generic_players-1.16.0.tar.gzcbb34faa0b6d114a3a0a5e4451f03f8423c5a48fd3fe9a6c6ecdfa65f4083c80
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/evas_generic_loaders/evas_generic_loaders-1.16.0.tar.gz
> >>> 0928a675bca95f7929626550eae85559d296b33b3ecc111aece4744601369a1a
> >>> <
> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/evas_generic_loaders/evas_generic_loaders-1.16.0.tar.gz0928a675bca95f7929626550eae85559d296b33b3ecc111aece4744601369a1a
> >
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> = What's New =
> >>>
> >>> Even if we had only three months a lot has happened during the 1.16
> >>> release cycle.
> >>> We only cover some highlights here. For the full list please look at
> the
> >>> NEWS files
> >>> if you are interested in the details. As usual we have been working on
> >>> fixing bugs,
> >>> optimising our code for speed and memory footprint and adding new
> >>> features.
> >>> Below we describe just some highlights and by no means provide a full
> >>> list.
> >>>
> >>> = EFL =
> >>>
> >>> == Wayland ==
> >>> The focus of work on our wayland areas have been stabilisation and
> >>> filling of gaps for the upcoming E20 release. To make 1.16 a solid base
> >>> for it work has been gone to make the evas drm engine more solid and
> >>> adding support for things like adjusting keyboard repeat and rate
> delay,
> >>> etc
> >>>
> >>> == Evas GL ==
> >>> Besides some normal optimisation evas GL got support for the new
> partial
> >>> update extension.
> >>>
> >>> == Eina ==
> >>> To aid debugging and tooling infrastructure eina thread does now
> support
> >>> setting thread names and many internal threads are already named.
> >>>
> >>> == Eo (BETA) ==
> >>> A lot of optimisation, memory as well as CPU time, has been gone into
> EO
> >>> this time. Initially we hoped to declare EO stable after this
> >>> development cycle, but we need to postpone this for at least another
> >>> cycle as some more optimisation are being planned which might break
> ABI.
> >>>
> >>> == Elementary ==
> >>> We improved our thumbscroll finger scrolling to be smoother and worked
> >>> on various parts of focus handling of items. On the ATSPI front we
> added
> >>> a translation domain for name and description as well as support for
> the
> >>> org.a11y.atspi.Collection interface.
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> = Statistics =
> >>>
> >>> == EFL ==
> >>> (git log --pretty=oneline v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | wc -l)
> >>> Number of commits: 701
> >>>
> >>> (git shortlog -ns v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | wc -l)
> >>> Number of authors: 58
> >>>
> >>> (git diff --stat v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | tail -1)
> >>> 546 files changed, 52121 insertions(+), 24088 deletions(-)
> >>>
> >>> == Elementary ==
> >>> (git log --pretty=oneline v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | wc -l)
> >>> Number of 

Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out

[Simon Lees]

On 11/15/2015 12:31 PM, Jeff Hoogland wrote:
> This seems to be theme related, icons appear as expected in the default
> theme on Elementary 1.16
>
> Guess I'll open a bug report.
I can confirm this on a older theme i have, the ones I merged with dark 
in the last month or so seem fine.

> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Jeff Hoogland 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone else seeing an issue with images on toolbars with 1.16? ePad and
>> ePhoto are both missing icons on their tool bar here with the 1.16 bindings
>> VS 1.15.1
>>
>> Screenshot:
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/wmuiJYB.png
>>
>> Exact same ePad code, the one on the right is using elementary 1.15.1 the
>> one on the left is using 1.16
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 5:09 AM, Stefan Schmidt 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> = Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out =
>>>
>>> After three months of development work we are proud to announce the
>>> release of
>>> version 1.16 of the EFL, Elementary, Evas Generic Loaders and Emotion
>>> Generic
>>> Players. In these 12 weeks we got over 700 commits from 58 authors in
>>> EFL alone.
>>> We slowed down a bit from last release (by around 300 commits).
>>> Elementary has another
>>> 382 commits by 52 authors. Great job everyone! Some highlights are
>>> listed below.
>>>
>>> == Download ==
>>>
>>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/efl/efl-1.16.0.tar.gz
>>> 35af0783d6dd87ebb435c46fd662ef5a648510d74fb6dc6540a3165c9b221e50
>>>
>>>
>>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/elementary/elementary-1.16.0.tar.gz
>>> 18b1f2d55af46840d0a9477a615d0c5a033b24f06d8fcf539da33aa5db357bd0
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/emotion_generic_players/emotion_generic_players-1.16.0.tar.gz
>>> cbb34faa0b6d114a3a0a5e4451f03f8423c5a48fd3fe9a6c6ecdfa65f4083c80
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/evas_generic_loaders/evas_generic_loaders-1.16.0.tar.gz
>>> 0928a675bca95f7929626550eae85559d296b33b3ecc111aece4744601369a1a
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> = What's New =
>>>
>>> Even if we had only three months a lot has happened during the 1.16
>>> release cycle.
>>> We only cover some highlights here. For the full list please look at the
>>> NEWS files
>>> if you are interested in the details. As usual we have been working on
>>> fixing bugs,
>>> optimising our code for speed and memory footprint and adding new
>>> features.
>>> Below we describe just some highlights and by no means provide a full
>>> list.
>>>
>>> = EFL =
>>>
>>> == Wayland ==
>>> The focus of work on our wayland areas have been stabilisation and
>>> filling of gaps for the upcoming E20 release. To make 1.16 a solid base
>>> for it work has been gone to make the evas drm engine more solid and
>>> adding support for things like adjusting keyboard repeat and rate delay,
>>> etc
>>>
>>> == Evas GL ==
>>> Besides some normal optimisation evas GL got support for the new partial
>>> update extension.
>>>
>>> == Eina ==
>>> To aid debugging and tooling infrastructure eina thread does now support
>>> setting thread names and many internal threads are already named.
>>>
>>> == Eo (BETA) ==
>>> A lot of optimisation, memory as well as CPU time, has been gone into EO
>>> this time. Initially we hoped to declare EO stable after this
>>> development cycle, but we need to postpone this for at least another
>>> cycle as some more optimisation are being planned which might break ABI.
>>>
>>> == Elementary ==
>>> We improved our thumbscroll finger scrolling to be smoother and worked
>>> on various parts of focus handling of items. On the ATSPI front we added
>>> a translation domain for name and description as well as support for the
>>> org.a11y.atspi.Collection interface.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> = Statistics =
>>>
>>> == EFL ==
>>> (git log --pretty=oneline v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | wc -l)
>>> Number of commits: 701
>>>
>>> (git shortlog -ns v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | wc -l)
>>> Number of authors: 58
>>>
>>> (git diff --stat v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | tail -1)
>>> 546 files changed, 52121 insertions(+), 24088 deletions(-)
>>>
>>> == Elementary ==
>>> (git log --pretty=oneline v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | wc -l)
>>> Number of commits: 382
>>>
>>> (git shortlog -ns v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | wc -l)
>>> Number of authors: 52
>>>
>>> (git diff --stat v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | tail -1)
>>> 305 files changed, 23711 insertions(+), 15250 deletions(-)
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> =Building and Dependencies=
>>>
>>> If you have an existing EFL or Elementary install, you may wish to
>>> delete its header files and libraries before compiling an

Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out

[Jeff Hoogland]

This seems to be theme related, icons appear as expected in the default
theme on Elementary 1.16

Guess I'll open a bug report.

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Jeff Hoogland 
wrote:

> Anyone else seeing an issue with images on toolbars with 1.16? ePad and
> ePhoto are both missing icons on their tool bar here with the 1.16 bindings
> VS 1.15.1
>
> Screenshot:
>
> http://i.imgur.com/wmuiJYB.png
>
> Exact same ePad code, the one on the right is using elementary 1.15.1 the
> one on the left is using 1.16
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 5:09 AM, Stefan Schmidt 
> wrote:
>
>> = Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out =
>>
>> After three months of development work we are proud to announce the
>> release of
>> version 1.16 of the EFL, Elementary, Evas Generic Loaders and Emotion
>> Generic
>> Players. In these 12 weeks we got over 700 commits from 58 authors in
>> EFL alone.
>> We slowed down a bit from last release (by around 300 commits).
>> Elementary has another
>> 382 commits by 52 authors. Great job everyone! Some highlights are
>> listed below.
>>
>> == Download ==
>>
>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/efl/efl-1.16.0.tar.gz
>> 35af0783d6dd87ebb435c46fd662ef5a648510d74fb6dc6540a3165c9b221e50
>>
>>
>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/elementary/elementary-1.16.0.tar.gz
>> 18b1f2d55af46840d0a9477a615d0c5a033b24f06d8fcf539da33aa5db357bd0
>> 
>>
>>
>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/emotion_generic_players/emotion_generic_players-1.16.0.tar.gz
>> cbb34faa0b6d114a3a0a5e4451f03f8423c5a48fd3fe9a6c6ecdfa65f4083c80
>> 
>>
>>
>> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/evas_generic_loaders/evas_generic_loaders-1.16.0.tar.gz
>> 0928a675bca95f7929626550eae85559d296b33b3ecc111aece4744601369a1a
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> = What's New =
>>
>> Even if we had only three months a lot has happened during the 1.16
>> release cycle.
>> We only cover some highlights here. For the full list please look at the
>> NEWS files
>> if you are interested in the details. As usual we have been working on
>> fixing bugs,
>> optimising our code for speed and memory footprint and adding new
>> features.
>> Below we describe just some highlights and by no means provide a full
>> list.
>>
>> = EFL =
>>
>> == Wayland ==
>> The focus of work on our wayland areas have been stabilisation and
>> filling of gaps for the upcoming E20 release. To make 1.16 a solid base
>> for it work has been gone to make the evas drm engine more solid and
>> adding support for things like adjusting keyboard repeat and rate delay,
>> etc
>>
>> == Evas GL ==
>> Besides some normal optimisation evas GL got support for the new partial
>> update extension.
>>
>> == Eina ==
>> To aid debugging and tooling infrastructure eina thread does now support
>> setting thread names and many internal threads are already named.
>>
>> == Eo (BETA) ==
>> A lot of optimisation, memory as well as CPU time, has been gone into EO
>> this time. Initially we hoped to declare EO stable after this
>> development cycle, but we need to postpone this for at least another
>> cycle as some more optimisation are being planned which might break ABI.
>>
>> == Elementary ==
>> We improved our thumbscroll finger scrolling to be smoother and worked
>> on various parts of focus handling of items. On the ATSPI front we added
>> a translation domain for name and description as well as support for the
>> org.a11y.atspi.Collection interface.
>>
>> 
>>
>> = Statistics =
>>
>> == EFL ==
>> (git log --pretty=oneline v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | wc -l)
>> Number of commits: 701
>>
>> (git shortlog -ns v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | wc -l)
>> Number of authors: 58
>>
>> (git diff --stat v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | tail -1)
>> 546 files changed, 52121 insertions(+), 24088 deletions(-)
>>
>> == Elementary ==
>> (git log --pretty=oneline v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | wc -l)
>> Number of commits: 382
>>
>> (git shortlog -ns v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | wc -l)
>> Number of authors: 52
>>
>> (git diff --stat v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | tail -1)
>> 305 files changed, 23711 insertions(+), 15250 deletions(-)
>>
>> 
>>
>> =Building and Dependencies=
>>
>> If you have an existing EFL or Elementary install, you may wish to
>> delete its header files and libraries before compiling and installing to
>> avoid possible conflicts during compilation. If you are compiling the
>> above, please compile them in the following order:
>>
>> efl
>> elementary
>> emotion_generic_players
>> evas_generic_loaders
>> Please refer to the respective README files in each release for a f

Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out

[Jeff Hoogland]

Anyone else seeing an issue with images on toolbars with 1.16? ePad and
ePhoto are both missing icons on their tool bar here with the 1.16 bindings
VS 1.15.1

Screenshot:

http://i.imgur.com/wmuiJYB.png

Exact same ePad code, the one on the right is using elementary 1.15.1 the
one on the left is using 1.16

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 5:09 AM, Stefan Schmidt 
wrote:

> = Enlightenment Foundation Libraries 1.16 and Friends are Out =
>
> After three months of development work we are proud to announce the
> release of
> version 1.16 of the EFL, Elementary, Evas Generic Loaders and Emotion
> Generic
> Players. In these 12 weeks we got over 700 commits from 58 authors in
> EFL alone.
> We slowed down a bit from last release (by around 300 commits).
> Elementary has another
> 382 commits by 52 authors. Great job everyone! Some highlights are
> listed below.
>
> == Download ==
>
> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/efl/efl-1.16.0.tar.gz
> 35af0783d6dd87ebb435c46fd662ef5a648510d74fb6dc6540a3165c9b221e50
>
>
> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/elementary/elementary-1.16.0.tar.gz
> 18b1f2d55af46840d0a9477a615d0c5a033b24f06d8fcf539da33aa5db357bd0
>
>
> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/emotion_generic_players/emotion_generic_players-1.16.0.tar.gz
> cbb34faa0b6d114a3a0a5e4451f03f8423c5a48fd3fe9a6c6ecdfa65f4083c80
>
>
> http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/evas_generic_loaders/evas_generic_loaders-1.16.0.tar.gz
> 0928a675bca95f7929626550eae85559d296b33b3ecc111aece4744601369a1a
>
> 
>
> = What's New =
>
> Even if we had only three months a lot has happened during the 1.16
> release cycle.
> We only cover some highlights here. For the full list please look at the
> NEWS files
> if you are interested in the details. As usual we have been working on
> fixing bugs,
> optimising our code for speed and memory footprint and adding new features.
> Below we describe just some highlights and by no means provide a full list.
>
> = EFL =
>
> == Wayland ==
> The focus of work on our wayland areas have been stabilisation and
> filling of gaps for the upcoming E20 release. To make 1.16 a solid base
> for it work has been gone to make the evas drm engine more solid and
> adding support for things like adjusting keyboard repeat and rate delay,
> etc
>
> == Evas GL ==
> Besides some normal optimisation evas GL got support for the new partial
> update extension.
>
> == Eina ==
> To aid debugging and tooling infrastructure eina thread does now support
> setting thread names and many internal threads are already named.
>
> == Eo (BETA) ==
> A lot of optimisation, memory as well as CPU time, has been gone into EO
> this time. Initially we hoped to declare EO stable after this
> development cycle, but we need to postpone this for at least another
> cycle as some more optimisation are being planned which might break ABI.
>
> == Elementary ==
> We improved our thumbscroll finger scrolling to be smoother and worked
> on various parts of focus handling of items. On the ATSPI front we added
> a translation domain for name and description as well as support for the
> org.a11y.atspi.Collection interface.
>
> 
>
> = Statistics =
>
> == EFL ==
> (git log --pretty=oneline v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | wc -l)
> Number of commits: 701
>
> (git shortlog -ns v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | wc -l)
> Number of authors: 58
>
> (git diff --stat v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | tail -1)
> 546 files changed, 52121 insertions(+), 24088 deletions(-)
>
> == Elementary ==
> (git log --pretty=oneline v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | wc -l)
> Number of commits: 382
>
> (git shortlog -ns v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | wc -l)
> Number of authors: 52
>
> (git diff --stat v1.15.0..v1.16.0 | tail -1)
> 305 files changed, 23711 insertions(+), 15250 deletions(-)
>
> 
>
> =Building and Dependencies=
>
> If you have an existing EFL or Elementary install, you may wish to
> delete its header files and libraries before compiling and installing to
> avoid possible conflicts during compilation. If you are compiling the
> above, please compile them in the following order:
>
> efl
> elementary
> emotion_generic_players
> evas_generic_loaders
> Please refer to the respective README files in each release for a full
> list of dependencies, explanations on configure flags and other relevant
> information (Just scroll down to see the README already displayed nicely).
>
> EFL
> Elementary
> Emotion Generic Players
> Evas Generic Loaders
> Recommended dependencies are for all of the above are:
>
> bullet
> libpng
> libjpeg
> gstreamer (1.x) (ensure you have all the gstreamer codecs you need/want.)
> zlib
> luajit (optional lua 5.1 or 5.2)
> libtiff
> openssl
> curl
> dbus
> libc
> fontconfig
> freetype2
> fribidi
> libpulse
> libsndfile
> libx11
> libxau
> libxcomposite
> libxdamage
> libxdmcp
> libxext
> libxfixes
> libxinerama
> libxrandr
> libxrender
> libxss
> libxtst
> libxcursor
> libxp
> libxi (2.2 or newer)
> libgl (opengl/glx or opengl-es2/egl)
> giflib
> util-linux (limbount + libblkid)
> systemd / libude