Re: [E-devel] Theme MUST be addressed
On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 19:54:23 + Stephen Houston wrote: > None of which are default, as I said. Open windows explorer. Is it > dark? Open finder is it dark? Dark bars And titlebars don't mean it's > a dark theme. As I said. Defaults are always light. That is the default windows 10, and a screenshot of the next release of OS X. Those are defaults. The are moving more things to dark, that were light in the past. What color were the start/title bars before? Light or dark? Which direction is that going? Is that a trend moving towards light or dark? This is not light https://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ Or Cinnamon/Linux Mint https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint Matte and Cinamon would be interesting as its basically the same Mint, difference being light and dark. For those that voted for KDE, the majority voted dark. http://www.strawpoll.me/12804942/r https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/66yznn/poll_dark_themes_vs_light_themes_kde_plasma/?st=jdt8a686&sh=535dd9f5 Most polls seem to follow that trend https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ligjht+vs+dark+theme+poll I think this helps really solidify the trend. Black uses less power than white. Dark themes can have better battery life. https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1882467 Very likely manufactures are catching on. Better for battery life, better for your eyes. Better all around. IMHO themes are not why people do not run E. It is a lack of applications more than anything. Something I am looking to change. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgphlDU7i6r3I.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Theme MUST be addressed
Everything you sent is still dark text on light backgrounds in the windows. Again. Bars/titlebars/menus irrelevenent. Try again. On Wed, Feb 21, 2018, 10:44 AM William L. Thomson Jr. < wlt...@obsidian-studios.com> wrote: > On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 19:54:23 + > Stephen Houston wrote: > > > None of which are default, as I said. Open windows explorer. Is it > > dark? Open finder is it dark? Dark bars And titlebars don't mean it's > > a dark theme. As I said. Defaults are always light. > > That is the default windows 10, and a screenshot of the next release of > OS X. Those are defaults. The are moving more things to dark, that were > light in the past. > > What color were the start/title bars before? Light or dark? Which > direction is that going? Is that a trend moving towards light or dark? > > This is not light > https://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ > > Or Cinnamon/Linux Mint > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_(software) > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint > > Matte and Cinamon would be interesting as its basically the same Mint, > difference being light and dark. > > For those that voted for KDE, the majority voted dark. > http://www.strawpoll.me/12804942/r > > https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/66yznn/poll_dark_themes_vs_light_themes_kde_plasma/?st=jdt8a686&sh=535dd9f5 > > Most polls seem to follow that trend > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ligjht+vs+dark+theme+poll > > I think this helps really solidify the trend. Black uses less power > than white. Dark themes can have better battery life. > https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1882467 > > Very likely manufactures are catching on. Better for battery life, > better for your eyes. Better all around. > > IMHO themes are not why people do not run E. It is a lack of > applications more than anything. Something I am looking to change. > > -- > William L. Thomson Jr. > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment Developer Days 2018 location proposals
Hello. On 01/19/2018 10:18 AM, Stefan Schmidt wrote: > Hello > > > On 01/18/2018 06:10 PM, Felipe Magno de Almeida wrote: >> Hello Stefan, >> >> I can surely work some place in Florianopolis, Brazil. I've made a C++ >> conference here last year and almost 80 people attended, which is >> quite good for the narrow subject and first >> conference I had put together. >> >> Florianopolis is a very beautiful island and has very low violence >> indices, spite of being in Brazil. >> >> Pros: it is cheap here, a good hotel in Florianopolis goes for around >> USD 100/day. Meals are >> cheap too, good barbecue places all-you-can-eat for around USD 25. >> >> Cons: It is far for everybody but me :). > Thanks for the offer. I added it to the location proposals wiki page now. > > I strangely can not add a new voting item the the existing vote we have > running right now. > > The only thing I seem to be able to do is creating a new vote with > Florianopolis added and asking all people to re-vote. :( > Seems phab does not allow this to avoid me screwing with the vote results. > > I have created a new vote with your offer included now. > > https://phab.enlightenment.org/V32 > > Everybody who already voted on the old one please do your vote again on the > new one. Sorry for the trouble! > Another change on this front. I have to take out the Edinburgh location offer. Which brings us down to 5. The top ones would now be Tel Aviv and Florianopolis with 6 votes. That is not much I have to say. The 10 persons in total who voted are not much either. We have been double or more the years before. I also had to poke people a lot to get these 10 at least. This all brings me to the question if there is a real need or interest in having an EDD this year? If there is not enough interest I could save myself the trouble of organizing it. What is it that blocks people for showing interest? o Is an actual fixed date needed to get a response? o Are the locations not suitable (far away, to expensive)? o Is there simply no interest in a get together (you see no need for a f2f discussion)? o ?? regards Stefan Schmidt -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Errors closing File Selector in InWin
I have a HoverSel that on select, I want to close the File Selector and InWin. Which works but I get the following output I have tried various options to resolve unsuccessfully. 2nd repeats ~14 times ERR<12662>:eo lib/eo/eo.c:574 _efl_object_call_resolve() in lib/elementary/efl_ui_focus_manager.eo.c:44: func 'efl_ui_focus_manager_unregister' (726) could not be resolved for class 'Elm.Inwin'. CRI<12662>:evas_main lib/evas/canvas/evas_object_box.c:1920 evas_object_box_children_get() no widget data for object (nil) ((null)) Code https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/ecrire/blob/master/src/bin/ui/file_related.c#L25 I added the callback to done. I have tried a number of things. - Ending the hover select, elm_hoversel_hover_end - Deleting the hover select, box, file selector and inwin via evas_object_del - Hiding before deleting via evas_object_hide - Calling open_file directly vs done callback Basically anytime I did a evas_object_del(inwin); I got the errors. I cannot figure out how to close it without generating that output. Any ideas? Thanks! -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpiKrr03lOsY.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Tab container/widget
I have been making changes to Ecrire to support tabs, per a feature request[1]. I am pretty much there, less the tab container/widget. I have been looking around and seems that Elementary lacks a tab container/widget. Is that the case? Or is something else usable as tabs? Seems EDI[2] has tabs. I have not looked into what it is using yet to do the tabs. For other stuff like ePad[3], they used python-elm-extensions, which has a TabbedBox[4][5]. I can look to replicate something like that. I was just unsure if something existed already or was in the works. Or can replicate how it was done in EDI. I did not see anything of the sort in Elementary tests. Though maybe going by another name or something. I guess I could use the Naviframe. I am using that for settings. It could suffice for tabs. Like the NaviFame Complex example in elementary tests. If anyone has any information, or suggestions. It would be greatly appreciated, thanks! 1. https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/ecrire/issues/10 2. https://phab.enlightenment.org/file/data/hhdovstchz2ccmifzdbh/PHID-FILE-q3aligmkk3nv4hjk4s3x/e-546d3316bbbac6.77524460.jpg 3 .https://camo.githubusercontent.com/4b3c7da6fc5e27c599029e7265a18bf03bc25ecd/687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f487274716b676c2e706e67 4. https://github.com/JeffHoogland/python-elm-extensions 5. https://camo.githubusercontent.com/c91e1b7d4a98db22a4e03eed0433c3bc9aaa1f2c/68747470733a2f2f772e656e6c69676874656e6d656e742e6f72672f73732f652d35353065343764626233373532302e33393035333033362e706e67 -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpX9iJsixGcX.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Theme MUST be addressed
Again we are talking about default out of the box themes not custom themes that are popular. Also statistically based on research. Dark text on light backgrounds is preferred and easier read. It is irrelevant at this point to continue this argument. The decision has been made to offer both styles out of the box with a choice between light and dark. You can follow the discussion on the phab ticket and submit your responses there. On Wed, Feb 21, 2018, 12:33 PM William L. Thomson Jr. < wlt...@obsidian-studios.com> wrote: > On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 16:46:27 + > Stephen Houston wrote: > > > Everything you sent is still dark text on light backgrounds in the > > windows. Again. Bars/titlebars/menus irrelevenent. Try again. > > Not really > > Here are popular themes for Cinnamon, most are dark. I see 2-3 light. > https://cinnamon-spices.linuxmint.com/themes > > What about the polls? > I have yet to see a poll that favors light over dark. Not that they > were that factual, or large numbers of voters. Still trend is dark. > > Or power consumption? > > https://www.greenbot.com/article/2834583/how-much-power-does-a-black-interface-really-save-on-amoled-displays.html > > "Only available are up to six applications and the display is changed > into black-and-white" > https://news.samsung.com/global/galaxy-s5-explained-ultra-power-saving-mode > > Why black and white? Saves power, color requires more electricity. That > really matters if you have a newer device with non-removable battery. > Not to mention the slower the battery is drained the longer it last and > less heat produced. All that helps with battery life. > > -- > William L. Thomson Jr. > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Theme MUST be addressed
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:51:13 + Stephen Houston wrote: > Again we are talking about default out of the box themes not custom > themes that are popular. Most of Cinnamon was dark, that maybe changing. It was Matte that was the light UI for Mint. They may have changed other aspects. But that maybe for another reason. I cannot find the article. Years ago I read one about Microsoft intentionally making UI for different applications look different. Which helped visually identify what application. Having a consistent look defeats that. It was an interesting perspective. When you think in *nix, between GTK, QT, and EFL, people want things to look the same. Consistent theme across all. That is a countering view point, which has its own merits. > Also statistically based on research. Dark > text on light backgrounds is preferred and easier read. It is > irrelevant at this point to continue this argument Discussion not argument, debate if you will. I myself always had light. Till I started having vision problems, had to get glasses. Then switching to dark really helped me. Thus I feel strongly on this per my own experience. I wonder if the light bright screens damaged my eyes It feels like it when I am back on white backgrounds with black text. If you notice most everything on 10 foot displays are dark backgrounds with light text. TV interfaces, etc. Almost none are light backgrounds with dark text. > The decision has been made to offer both styles out of the box with > a choice between light and dark. I have no problems with choices or making another. Not sure I would be for changing the default from dark to light. Though rather than discuss it, I tend to do it, like making my theme Eminence. I wanted darker than default, so that was one of the first things I did vs request. Granted using another for a foundation. https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/eminence To make a case for a light theme, having one would help IMHO. Really if the colors for the main theme get centralized. Making different color variations, light, dark, etc should not be to difficult. Like what Simontek does, maybe check out his Ice theme. https://github.com/simotek/Enlightenment-Themes Since calling home is the name of the game for anything Mobile. May code in something to track theme switching and log dark vs light once a light choice exists. That would give raw factual data on actual usage of one vs the other. > You can follow the discussion on the phab ticket and > submit your responses there. I can read but not post. I am banned from phab https://phab.enlightenment.org/p/wltjr/ I had to use a 2nd email to post here. My wlt...@o-sinc.com is banned from this mailing list. I will not be using a 2nd account for Phab. I would like my account to be un-banned/re-enabled in Phab. Also my other email address unblocked for list posting. I never use this one. I had to create it to subscribe and post Running risk of this one being banned as well... Really helps with EFL application development to be banned from Phab... I was just about to start furthering Enjoy when that happened. I haven't touched it as a result But I do continue on with other stuff in addition to my theme. https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/ecrire https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/entrance https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/clipboard At some point will get to Enjoy. Just was discouraged and demotivated. I have to make effort to do any EFL development. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpIpHG_GMZM2.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Theme MUST be addressed
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 16:46:27 + Stephen Houston wrote: > Everything you sent is still dark text on light backgrounds in the > windows. Again. Bars/titlebars/menus irrelevenent. Try again. Not really Here are popular themes for Cinnamon, most are dark. I see 2-3 light. https://cinnamon-spices.linuxmint.com/themes What about the polls? I have yet to see a poll that favors light over dark. Not that they were that factual, or large numbers of voters. Still trend is dark. Or power consumption? https://www.greenbot.com/article/2834583/how-much-power-does-a-black-interface-really-save-on-amoled-displays.html "Only available are up to six applications and the display is changed into black-and-white" https://news.samsung.com/global/galaxy-s5-explained-ultra-power-saving-mode Why black and white? Saves power, color requires more electricity. That really matters if you have a newer device with non-removable battery. Not to mention the slower the battery is drained the longer it last and less heat produced. All that helps with battery life. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpfp5pVL2iy1.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
