Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
Hey Kim, sounds awesome. Will try as soon as possible. e16.7 need to get public audicy at /. and osnews than :) btw. what about the 'Firefox' focus problem? When I have a lot of windows open at the same time. And try to type something into the Firefox url bar... I can't use the keyboard at all or only replace characters. but stuff like Pos1(home) and End don't work. kindest regards, Moritz "neofeed" Angermann On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:15:39 +0200, Kim Woelders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- E 16.7 pre5 --- > Selected changes since -pre4: > > Handle struts (avoid covering e.g. gnome-panel), optionally ignore. > Nested E. Try option -window WxH. Mostly for debugging. > Fix several window placement bugs. > Transparent menu drawing fixes. > Install display manager session file and startup script. > And many minor bug fixes. > > I'm hoping this is close to the final 0.16.7 version. > If something needs to be fixed, please yell :) > > /Kim > > --- > This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. > Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - > digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, > unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com > ___ > enlightenment-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > -- contact info Moritz Angermann[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Liquid:Mint www.liquidmint.org Mobile +49 (0) 160 9197 5880 +49 (0) 160 5930 184 Home+49 (0) 4322 88 87 20 --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
> Hey Kim, > sounds awesome. Will try as soon as possible. > e16.7 need to get public audicy at /. and osnews than :) > > btw. what about the 'Firefox' focus problem? > > When I have a lot of windows open at the same time. And try to type > something into the Firefox url bar... I can't use the keyboard at all > or only replace characters. but stuff like Pos1(home) and End don't > work. > > kindest regards, > Moritz "neofeed" Angermann I have this same problem. I assumed it was firefox, since I had just upgraded to 0.9, but I guess I also checked our e16 cvs around then too. Christopher > > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:15:39 +0200, Kim Woelders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> --- E 16.7 pre5 --- >> Selected changes since -pre4: >> >> Handle struts (avoid covering e.g. gnome-panel), optionally ignore. >> Nested E. Try option -window WxH. Mostly for debugging. >> Fix several window placement bugs. >> Transparent menu drawing fixes. >> Install display manager session file and startup script. >> And many minor bug fixes. >> >> I'm hoping this is close to the final 0.16.7 version. >> If something needs to be fixed, please yell :) >> >> /Kim >> >> --- >> This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. >> Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - >> digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, >> unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com >> ___ >> enlightenment-users mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users >> > > -- > > contact info > Moritz Angermann[EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Liquid:Mint www.liquidmint.org > Mobile +49 (0) 160 9197 5880 > +49 (0) 160 5930 184 > Home+49 (0) 4322 88 87 20 > > > --- > This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. > Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - > digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, > unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com > ___ > enlightenment-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
Moritz Angermann wrote: btw. what about the 'Firefox' focus problem? When I have a lot of windows open at the same time. And try to type something into the Firefox url bar... I can't use the keyboard at all or only replace characters. but stuff like Pos1(home) and End don't work. I guess this is the one that has been around more or less forever. It has also been known as "the mozilla focus bug" :) Unfortunately, I cannot reproduce it according to the instructions above. Just a large number of other windows will not in itself cause this problem. What are the focus settings? When tracking down focus problems it is essential to know that. If anybody has a reliable way to reproduce this, please speak up. /Kim --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 06:46, Moritz Angermann wrote: Hey Kim, sounds awesome. Will try as soon as possible. e16.7 need to get public audicy at /. and osnews than :) btw. what about the 'Firefox' focus problem? When I have a lot of windows open at the same time. And try to type something into the Firefox url bar... I can't use the keyboard at all or only replace characters. but stuff like Pos1(home) and End don't work. Problem sounds familiar to me with old Mozilla builds, now I never have it anymore. I remember the solution is to select another window (click in it, any other application will do - the desktop not) and select Mozilla again. It doesn't seem to me as that was an Enlightenment bug, I remember I used Metacity wm at the time. Your FF problem seems the same to me. Wouter.
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
Kim, One minor, mainly cosmetic bug, is in eesh. If you type 'help' in eesh, the entries are aligned in nice, neat columns except for 'set_focus' which is indented one space. This is a new cvs build, last Changelog entry: Mon Jul 5 00:55:42 CEST 2004 (Kim) Introducing nested E. Maybe not really useful but good for debugging. Don't use the fallback border unless we have to. Trim eesh. Make fullscreen windows borderless. Handle struts, optionally ignore. Read the WM_COMMAND property for all group members. Fix a number of menu drawing issues. Don't unshade while iconified (caused un-deiconifiable windows). Brad p.s. e.spec calls this build 0.99.4.2, if this is Pre5 shouldn't that be 0.99.5? :) On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:15:39 +0200 Kim Woelders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- E 16.7 pre5 --- > Selected changes since -pre4: > > Handle struts (avoid covering e.g. gnome-panel), optionally ignore. > Nested E. Try option -window WxH. Mostly for debugging. > Fix several window placement bugs. > Transparent menu drawing fixes. > Install display manager session file and startup script. > And many minor bug fixes. > > I'm hoping this is close to the final 0.16.7 version. > If something needs to be fixed, please yell :) > > /Kim --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:15:39 +0200 Kim Woelders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- E 16.7 pre5 --- Runs pretty well here on Mandrake10.0/Cooker, many thanks, especially for the transparency! One Question: Is there a way to have drop shadows around windows? Regards, Friedrich pgpJOUkwnqBqd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
Mark R. Bowyer wrote: On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 14:40, Wouter van Marle wrote: On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 20:00, Mark R. Bowyer wrote: The workaround, as already said, is to give focus to another text entry area and then come back. You'll reproduce this easiest if you change screen (virtual or physical screen) and the Mozilla or whatever text area you enter is the first thing to get focus once you're there. Happens every time then. So I stick a terminal next to it =O} : I also can't reproduce the procedure as described here: - desktop has four virtual screens, can scroll easily as edge flip is on. - running Mozilla in one of these screens, cursor in the address bar. - switching to other virtual screen. - switching back (either via edge flip or clicking in the pager): cursor is still there and is active. The problem is to do with losing the focus and then not getting it back without whatever gained it on the other screen having lost it too. Put another application (a terminal?) in the other screen, focus to it, and then switch back to the Mozilla screen and point at the address bar. Can you type there? What you just typed probably just went to the terminal window you left behind... Works for me pretty monotonously, I'm afraid =O( Ta, Another fastest trick is to hit alt-tab until regaining the focus. I do that with mozilla all the time. Works like a charm, and you don't need another window opened. Just to share a few tips with other e users. another option is if you run engage, or epplets, pass the mouse over one of them before returning to your "main" window. It's easy and quick, but it will stay annoying. Although, I haven't seen it happen very often in -pre5... but maybe that's just me, and I don't notice it anymore. Regards John --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On Tuesday, 06 July 2004, at 00:46:49 (+0200), Moritz Angermann wrote: > e16.7 need to get public audicy at /. and osnews than :) Boy, I hope not. First off, OSNews is like the Weekly World News of the Linux world: horrible writing, uneducated editorials, and gratuitous sensationalism. Secondly, while I think kwo has done a stellar job picking up the reins, let's be realistic: E 0.16.x is no longer state-of-the-art. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- "Learn to enjoy your own company. You are the one person you can count on living with for the rest of your life." -- Ann Richards --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
Sure it's not the top notch compaired with what is out there. But reaching audience is wrong?! Why not spure the E project with some more potential developers? Sure OSNews is by far not the best ... but they have lots of linux/bsd audience. And e is a very nice lightweight and fast alternative. ( at leat for me it feels even faster than xfce ). LW&E is in a short time. So why not get e back into the talks? It won't hurt the efl. would it? Well just m thoughs. kindest regards, Moritz "neofeed" Angermann On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:01:18 -0400, Michael Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday, 06 July 2004, at 00:46:49 (+0200), > Moritz Angermann wrote: > > > e16.7 need to get public audicy at /. and osnews than :) > > Boy, I hope not. First off, OSNews is like the Weekly World News of > the Linux world: horrible writing, uneducated editorials, and > gratuitous sensationalism. Secondly, while I think kwo has done a > stellar job picking up the reins, let's be realistic: E 0.16.x is no > longer state-of-the-art. > > Michael > > -- > Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) > --- > "Learn to enjoy your own company. You are the one person you can > count on living with for the rest of your life." -- Ann Richards > > > > > --- > This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. > Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - > digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, > unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com > ___ > enlightenment-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > -- contact info Moritz Angermann[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Liquid:Mint www.liquidmint.org Mobile +49 (0) 160 9197 5880 +49 (0) 160 5930 184 Home+49 (0) 4322 88 87 20 --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On Tuesday, 06 July 2004, at 19:51:51 (+0200), Moritz Angermann wrote: > Sure it's not the top notch compaired with what is out there. But > reaching audience is wrong?! Yes, when the message is wrong. And with OSNews, the message is almost always wrong. > Why not spure the E project with some more potential developers? 0.16.x does not need any more developers. 0.17 and related projects need them. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- "I wish you'd look at me that way, your beautiful eyes looking deep into mine, telling me more than any words could say. But you don't even know I'm alive. Baby, to you all I am is the invisible man." -- 98 Degrees --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:58:55 -0400, Michael Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday, 06 July 2004, at 19:51:51 (+0200), > Moritz Angermann wrote: > > > Sure it's not the top notch compaired with what is out there. But > > reaching audience is wrong?! > > Yes, when the message is wrong. And with OSNews, the message is > almost always wrong. > okay got that :) so what about /.? :] ( I better run now, eh? :) ) > > Why not spure the E project with some more potential developers? > > 0.16.x does not need any more developers. 0.17 and related projects > need them. > Sure. But why not use any reason for audicy? why not make people hear of e16.7. They'll automatically take a closer look at e. And maybe a few will want to get involved. Just my thinking. kindest regards, Moritz "neofeed" Angermann > Michael > > -- > Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) > --- > "I wish you'd look at me that way, your beautiful eyes looking deep > into mine, telling me more than any words could say. But you don't > even know I'm alive. Baby, to you all I am is the invisible man." > -- 98 Degrees > > > > > --- > This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. > Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - > digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, > unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com > ___ > enlightenment-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > -- contact info Moritz Angermann[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Liquid:Mint www.liquidmint.org Mobile +49 (0) 160 9197 5880 +49 (0) 160 5930 184 Home+49 (0) 4322 88 87 20 --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:01:18 -0400 Michael Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Boy, I hope not. First off, OSNews is like the Weekly World News of > the Linux world: horrible writing, uneducated editorials, and > gratuitous sensationalism. Glad I wasn't drinking when I read this or you'd owe me a new keyboard. ;-) > Secondly, while I think kwo has done a > stellar job picking up the reins, let's be realistic: E 0.16.x is no > longer state-of-the-art. It may not be state-of-the-art, but in my opinion and for my purposes it is head and shoulders above everything else I've tried. I am really grateful Kim has breathed new life into e16. He's done a great job! Brad --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
Michael Jennings wrote: On Tuesday, 06 July 2004, at 00:46:49 (+0200), Moritz Angermann wrote: e16.7 need to get public audicy at /. and osnews than :) Boy, I hope not. First off, OSNews is like the Weekly World News of the Linux world: horrible writing, uneducated editorials, and gratuitous sensationalism. Secondly, while I think kwo has done a stellar job picking up the reins, let's be realistic: E 0.16.x is no longer state-of-the-art. Michael "no longer state of the art"? well, excuse me, but I disagree. Granted, there are plenty of other features now present in many of the other wm's, BUT, none of them are as light, as configurable and enjoyable as E. First off, which other WM off the top of your mind can let you use up to 32 vitual desktops of a size of 8x8 screens? For people like me who are extremely multitasking, E represents the best in that regard: a clean environment no matter what, since each app has it's own "desktop". And which other WM can claim to use less memory than E? Someone in the gentoo forums (I wished I'd bookmarked that page, I can't find it anymore!) benchmarked the 'boxes and E for RAM usage, E came out winner by a 10 to 15% margin (meaning less than the 'boxes). And the new winter theme is a rather nice default, compared to ugly KDE or gnome, not to mention what windowmaker's default is. And E's theming options are endless! Add the EFL on top of e16.7 and you have the top notch right there. Especially engage, evidence and entrance, those three have the most potential to make E known in the linux world. So, State of the art or not? for me it still is. --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 06:32, John Charnas wrote: or gnome, not to mention what windowmaker's default is. And E's theming options are endless! Add the EFL on top of e16.7 and you have the top notch right there. Especially engage, evidence and entrance, those three have the most potential to make E known in the linux world. So, State of the art or not? for me it still is. For long time I would like to test these programs. However every time I got stuck on the compiling part... it often just doesn't work for me, I get lost in the options I have to add (or remove: such as the opengl problems), and in the end I haven't managed to get it going and basically gave up. Does anyone have rpm packages, preferably for Mandrake 10? Then I'd love to give it a try! EFL also sounds interesting as replacement for GTK+ (see thread 30/9 started by me) though due to above mentioned problems I never got to really install it and try to hack Python bindings for it. I don't know C however the toolkits suggested appear understandable enough to me. Wouter.
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:44:27 +0800 Wouter van Marle wrote: > Does anyone have rpm packages, preferably for Mandrake 10? Then I'd > love to give it a try! I have been doing other things and frankly have been very happy with 16.6 but will see if I can not get some working rpms for Mdk 10.0 done this week and will post them to my site. Charles -- After they got rid of capital punishment, they had to hang twice as many people as before. - Mandrake Linux 10.1 on PurpleDragon 2.6.5-1.tmb.6mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp4meJpk9Kcj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On 07/07/04, at 13:44 +0800, Wouter van Marle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...: > On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 06:32, John Charnas wrote: > > > > or gnome, not to mention what windowmaker's default is. And E's theming > > options are endless! Add the EFL on top of e16.7 and you have the top > > notch right there. Especially engage, evidence and entrance, those three > > have the most potential to make E known in the linux world. So, State of > > the art or not? for me it still is. > > > For long time I would like to test these programs. However every time I > got stuck on the compiling part... it often just doesn't work for me, I > get lost in the options I have to add (or remove: such as the opengl > problems), and in the end I haven't managed to get it going and > basically gave up. > > Does anyone have rpm packages, preferably for Mandrake 10? Then I'd love > to give it a try! If you're referring to EFL apps rpms, you can download them from here: http://sps.nus.edu.sg/~didierbe and install manually as stated on the site. Also have a look at the Mandrake users notice on the web site. I've received feedback from Mandrake users who have successfully installed the rpms. Hope this helps. With kind regards, Didier. --- PhD student. Singapore Synchrotron Light Source (SSLS) 5 Research Link, Singapore 117603 Email: didierbe at sps dot nus dot edu dot sg Web: http://ssls.nus.edu.sg --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:01:18 -0400 Michael Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: (B (B> On Tuesday, 06 July 2004, at 00:46:49 (+0200), (B> Moritz Angermann wrote: (B> (B> > e16.7 need to get public audicy at /. and osnews than :) (B> (B> Boy, I hope not. First off, OSNews is like the Weekly World News of (B> the Linux world: horrible writing, uneducated editorials, and (B> gratuitous sensationalism. Secondly, while I think kwo has done a (B> stellar job picking up the reins, let's be realistic: E 0.16.x is no (B> longer state-of-the-art. (B (Bwow this little thread is getting into a flame fest of e... on e lists by e (Busers... a little weird :) (B (Bok - several things. e has been in non publicity mode to basically keep users (BAWAY from e17 to avoid the massive wishlist pile that would ensue and simply (Bhaving to ignore everyone and thus create bad karma (tm) by simply telling (Bpeople to piss off and leave us alone until we have the nuts and bolts at the (Blower levels nice and polished. we're not into listening to someone's idea of a (Bfunky pager display when we don't even HAVE a pager yet! - in fact don't even (Bhave virtual desktops! :) (B (Bso this is WHY we aren't big on the publicity side - one day the time will come (Bto go all-out. (B (Bnow... i don't think we need to debate "e vs wm X". (B (Bkim is doing an excellent job working on 16.x. we should in no way underrate (Bthis. i will also give kudos as its a hard job - many bugs were design errors (Band fixing them would be TOUGH. thus they just got put off for e17 - and i will (Badmit, put off for wy too long. but the core libs for e17 (EFL) solve many (Bniggles already in e16 - modularise heavily meaning different people can look (Bafter different parts easily. they are very solid, even as-is and improve daily. (Bwe could S do with people helping with EFL - there are todo lists and (BFIXME:'s buried in many lumps of code. I am writing up a quick overview of SOME (Bof the EFL systems (not all - i'm doing the ones i know best - well not even all (Bof those - my favorites). but i'd rather an army of excellent coders - actually (Bnot an army. i'd rather 5 EXCELLENT coders spending time on this and doing all (Bthe things that need doing to help bring e17 out. its a mammoth thing. e17 will (Bnot use less ram than e16 - it will use a chunk more. it wont be smaller. but it (BWILL be massively more powerful and expandable - and CLEAN. the code will be (Beasy to maintain and expand on. it has a future far and beyond being a WM alone (Band this is where the interesting stuff lies. we could do with help. join #e and (B#edevelop on irc.freenode.net - regularly people talk about things that don't (Bhit mailing lists (because of immediate feedback that makes irc better than even (Be-mail). patches and changes to code get discussed. etc. in comparison to EFL (Be16 is primitive in many ways. edje (the theme engine in EFL) makes e16's (Bthemeing code look like a caveman compared to modern man. sure it eats, breathes (Band sleeps - but the new stuff is S much more capable, powerful. have you (Bseen the games on websites written in FLASH? flash was originally an animation (Bformat alone, but it has evolved into much more. i have seen an e-commerce (Bengine done entirely in flash. i have seen space invaders, pac man, tetris and (Btonnes of other games... and guess what - edje is almost as capable as flash - (Band in some ways more powerful. edje alone is worthy of a team of coders and a (Bproject website - and this is just SOME of what is brewing. this is the power (Bthat will sit under the next generation of themes for E. we need people learning (Bit, testing it, playing with it, becoming gurus - NOW - because when e17 does (Bfinally come - this is how u will get themes... and they will be more than (Banything else you've seen before. they can animate, react, in fact be entire (Bworlds on their own. i'm tempted to make a "EDJE browser" that downloaded edje (B.eet files form the net and works like a web browser... but with edje files. (Bjust to demonstrate its power. (B (Bi digress - the point - EFL does make e16 look primitive. mej is right in that (Brespect. we need to move this on - and help would be good - not USERS, but (BCODERS. good ones. :) (B (B-- (B- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- (BThe Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] $B7'<*(B - $Bhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:44:27 +0800 Wouter van Marle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > For long time I would like to test these programs. However every time I > got stuck on the compiling part... it often just doesn't work for me, I > get lost in the options I have to add (or remove: such as the opengl > problems), and in the end I haven't managed to get it going and > basically gave up. [...] A while ago, I've compiled nearly all the stuff from e17-CVS (without e itself, of course) on my MDK10.0 / Cooker. The main problem was to make him use automake-1.7 instead of 1.4 and autoconf-2.5 instead of 2.13 (which are defaults at least on the 10.0RC1 I used in this days) You also have to install masses of *-devel-*.rpm . Yesterday I've compiled e16.7pre5 also cleanly and run it now. Regards, Friedrich pgpTOLszzm9J0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On Wednesday, 07 July 2004, at 16:14:29 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: > wow this little thread is getting into a flame fest of e... on e > lists by e users... a little weird :) Indeed. :} > ok - several things. e has been in non publicity mode to basically > keep users AWAY from e17 to avoid the massive wishlist pile that > would ensue and simply having to ignore everyone and thus create bad > karma (tm) by simply telling people to piss off and leave us alone > until we have the nuts and bolts at the lower levels nice and > polished. we're not into listening to someone's idea of a funky > pager display when we don't even HAVE a pager yet! - in fact don't > even have virtual desktops! :) Or a current working WM, for that matter. :) > so this is WHY we aren't big on the publicity side - one day the > time will come to go all-out. Absolutely. But I think we agree that today is NOT that day. :) > now... i don't think we need to debate "e vs wm X". No, not at all. And for the record, I DO use E 0.16.x myself! I still think it's the best full-featured WM out there. > sure it eats, breathes and sleeps - but the new stuff is S much > more capable, powerful. Exactly my point. Compared to what's on the horizon, E 0.16.x pales. Which is why I said, and I still say, that it's not state-of-the-art. The EFL suite is lightyears beyond E 0.16.x in every way, and anyone who has so much as *browsed the docs* can see that. > i digress - the point - EFL does make e16 look primitive. mej is > right in that respect. we need to move this on - and help would be > good - not USERS, but CODERS. good ones. :) Bingo. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- "Whoa. Somebody computer programmers think is anti-social? That I'd like to see."-- Sydney Penny, "Hyperion Bay" --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
Kim Woelders wrote: Moritz Angermann wrote: btw. what about the 'Firefox' focus problem? When I have a lot of windows open at the same time. And try to type something into the Firefox url bar... I can't use the keyboard at all or only replace characters. but stuff like Pos1(home) and End don't work. I guess this is the one that has been around more or less forever. It has also been known as "the mozilla focus bug" :) Unfortunately, I cannot reproduce it according to the instructions above. I found a couple of ways to reproduce this kind of problem. I think I fixed a few focus bugs in E, and I also think there actually are focus problems in Mozilla. Anyway, if some of you were seeing these problems and run E16.7 CVS, I'd like some feedback on whether or not things have been improved. /Kim --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
Am Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:04:26 +0200 schrieb phriedrich: > Runs pretty well here on Mandrake10.0/Cooker, many thanks, especially > for the transparency! > > One Question: Is there a way to have drop shadows around windows? Yes, there is a way to do this. Parts from SilverMania.README: Currently border shadow is an experimental feature. To activate it set border style of a window to SHADOW. To see the fading border you need E16.7-pre5 or later (but *not* pre-6) or a current CVS version installed. And beware it's only pseudo transparency! So please don't expect to much. It looks only really good on the background. And there are currently still some bugs in the shadow! get SilverMania theme v0.4.1 here: http://linux.brachttal.net/themes/SilverMania/E16/ regards Andreas --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
> >Hey Kim, >sounds awesome. Will try as soon as possible. >e16.7 need to get public audicy at /. and osnews than :) > >btw. what about the 'Firefox' focus problem? > >When I have a lot of windows open at the same time. And try to type >something into the Firefox url bar... I can't use the keyboard at all >or only replace characters. but stuff like Pos1(home) and End don't >work. > This bug affects more or less every app that has a text input box. So far for me it has appeared in opera and xchat. The way I fix it is by spawning an Eterm so it gets the focus, and then continuing from where I started. btw, for me it doesn't happen when there are a lot of windows open, so I don't think it's related to the window count, but the affected window does appear to have been in focus for a long time. I'll try to reproduce the bug a few times. - http://euro2004.gbg.bg/ - Всичко за Euro 2004 --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 10:03, Viktor Kojouharov wrote: > This bug affects more or less every app that has a text input box. So > far for me it has appeared in opera and xchat. The way I fix it is by > spawning an Eterm so it gets the focus, and then continuing from where > I started. btw, for me it doesn't happen when there are a lot of > windows open, so I don't think it's related to the window count, but > the affected window does appear to have been in focus for a long time. > I'll try to reproduce the bug a few times. This bug has been around since all of 0.16, maybe from 0.15.x too. I discussed it with Raster some 5 years ago, and he said the focus code would need a complete re-write to solve it, so it wouldn't be fixed until 0.17... The workaround, as already said, is to give focus to another text entry area and then come back. You'll reproduce this easiest if you change screen (virtual or physical screen) and the Mozilla or whatever text area you enter is the first thing to get focus once you're there. Happens every time then. So I stick a terminal next to it =O} To be honest, I think it got slightly worse with 0.16.7, in that a few things started showing this that didn't before - but I changed from Gnome 2.0 to 2.6 around the same time, so I can't be sure... And this is on Solaris/SPARC, so it's not platform specific, either. Ta, Mark. --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 20:00, Mark R. Bowyer wrote: > The workaround, as already said, is to give focus to another text entry > area and then come back. You'll reproduce this easiest if you change > screen (virtual or physical screen) and the Mozilla or whatever text > area you enter is the first thing to get focus once you're there. > Happens every time then. So I stick a terminal next to it =O} > Interesting... I don't remember having this bug so "reliable". And since Mandrake 10 I have never had it at all actually. That's why I thought it is a Mozilla bug. I also can't reproduce the procedure as described here: - desktop has four virtual screens, can scroll easily as edge flip is on. - running Mozilla in one of these screens, cursor in the address bar. - switching to other virtual screen. - switching back (either via edge flip or clicking in the pager): cursor is still there and is active. I'm running Enlightenment-0.16.6-2mdk, a rather recent official Mandrake build installed from rpm. Wouter --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 14:40, Wouter van Marle wrote: > On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 20:00, Mark R. Bowyer wrote: > > > The workaround, as already said, is to give focus to another text entry > > area and then come back. You'll reproduce this easiest if you change > > screen (virtual or physical screen) and the Mozilla or whatever text > > area you enter is the first thing to get focus once you're there. > > Happens every time then. So I stick a terminal next to it =O} > : > I also can't reproduce the procedure as described here: > - desktop has four virtual screens, can scroll easily as edge flip is > on. > - running Mozilla in one of these screens, cursor in the address bar. > - switching to other virtual screen. > - switching back (either via edge flip or clicking in the pager): cursor > is still there and is active. The problem is to do with losing the focus and then not getting it back without whatever gained it on the other screen having lost it too. Put another application (a terminal?) in the other screen, focus to it, and then switch back to the Mozilla screen and point at the address bar. Can you type there? What you just typed probably just went to the terminal window you left behind... Works for me pretty monotonously, I'm afraid =O( Ta, -- o o mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /v\ark R. Bowyer http://mark.thebowyers.me.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] `-' - /"\ ...fingerprint = 7924 9E9E 7B91 225E B065 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign 1024D/15140DC1 39D0 551D ABE6 1514 0DC1X Against HTML Mail -- / \ --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 16:22, Wouter van Marle wrote: > On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 22:13, Mark R. Bowyer wrote: > > > The problem is to do with losing the focus and then not getting it back > > without whatever gained it on the other screen having lost it too. Put > > another application (a terminal?) in the other screen, focus to it, and > > then switch back to the Mozilla screen and point at the address bar. > > Can you type there? > > Yes, I can, never a problem anymore since a few months (actually: this > is what I did when testing it; focus other window in other screen). > That's why I thought it's a Mozilla bug... if I've time I'll try and > install the 16.7 pre5 and see what happens. Well that's odd - I wonder what the trigger is, then? Gnome revs? I've noticed that it's worse since I haven't figured out how to stop Gnome 2.6 from managing the desktop yet, so switching screens causes a double refresh - maybe that's it? Ta, -- o o mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /v\ark R. Bowyer http://mark.thebowyers.me.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] `-' - /"\ ...fingerprint = 7924 9E9E 7B91 225E B065 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign 1024D/15140DC1 39D0 551D ABE6 1514 0DC1X Against HTML Mail -- / \ --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 22:13, Mark R. Bowyer wrote: The problem is to do with losing the focus and then not getting it back without whatever gained it on the other screen having lost it too. Put another application (a terminal?) in the other screen, focus to it, and then switch back to the Mozilla screen and point at the address bar. Can you type there? Yes, I can, never a problem anymore since a few months (actually: this is what I did when testing it; focus other window in other screen). That's why I thought it's a Mozilla bug... if I've time I'll try and install the 16.7 pre5 and see what happens. This Mandrake version has a very irritating cosmetic bugs: all writings from E are too low. Such as in the window title bar, and (more serious) in the epplets menus and E menus: makes the text only half readable! This again seems a typical Mandrake (mdk versions) related bug. I've had a RedHat rpm installed and that didn't have this bug. Wouter. What you just typed probably just went to the terminal window you left behind... Works for me pretty monotonously, I'm afraid =O( Ta, -- Wouter van Marle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Squirrel Systems HK
Re: Re: Re: [e-users] E 0.16.7 pre5
>Well that's odd - I wonder what the trigger is, then? Gnome revs? I've >noticed that it's worse since I haven't figured out how to stop Gnome >2.6 from managing the desktop yet, so switching screens causes a double >refresh - maybe that's it? my guess is that nautilus also draws on your desktop. you can lessen it's influence, if not stopping it, by opening the gconf-editor and editing this key: /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop. this will at least stop nautilus from touching the desktop. - http://euro2004.gbg.bg/ - Всичко за Euro 2004 --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
