[EVDL] Subaru Crosstrek Hybrid
Hello I hope all is OK out there. I have not posted in a while. I was curious about obtaining a Subaru Crosstrek Hybrid, and upgrading the battery. Has anyone looked into this? It is a 100volt, NiMH battery I think. 600Whr... pretty tiny. Can do One mile supposedly on the battery at 25 mph The car weighs 3500 pounds. Perhaps someone has figured what is needed to upgrade to a larger Li-ion battery? Thanks! Michael Golub -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150523/7f883d17/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Norled Ampere e-ferry.no with two 450kW e-motors
% Uses hydro-powered grid charged pier li-ion packs> charge li-ion e-ferry pack at each side> only takes 10min > 60% savedon fuel co$t$ & huge reduction on pollution % http://www.maritime-executive.com/article/worlds-first-electrical-car-ferry-in-operation [Photos] World's First Electrical Car Ferry in Operation By MarEx 2015-05-19 [images http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/article/Photos/Vessels_Small/Cropped/ampere%20with%20snow%2016x9.jpg Electric Car Ferry http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/ampere%20loading.jpg http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/corvus%20batteries.jpg http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/control%20panel.jpg (EVSE) http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/charging%20while%20waiting.jpg http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/charging%20wires.jpg (coupler) ] The world’s first electrical car and passenger ferry powered by batteries has entered service in Norway. The ferry only uses 150 kWh per route, which corresponds to three days use of electricity in a standard Norwegian household. Built in conjunction with shipbuilder Fjellstrand, Siemens installed the complete electric propulsion system and put up charging stations with lithium-ion batteries which are charged from hydro power. With the change to battery, shipowner Norled is reducing the cost of fuel by up to 60 percent. The Norled ferry Ampere represents a milestone on the road to operating completely emission-free ferries along Norway’s long coastline, with at least 50 other routes currently able to sustain battery-operated vessels. Because the power grid in the region is relatively weak, Siemens and Norled decided to install three battery packs: one lithium-ion battery on board the ferry, and one at each pier to serve as a buffer. The 260-kWh-units supply electricity to the ferry while it waits. Afterward, the battery slowly recoups all of this energy from the grid until the ship comes back again to drop off passengers and recharge. Charging stations are housed in small buildings about the size of newsstands. The ship’s onboard batteries are recharged directly from the grid at night when the ferry is not in use. Each battery pack corresponds to the effect of 1600 standard car batteries. The Norled ferry will consume around two million kWh per year, whereas a traditional diesel ferry consumes at least one million liters of diesel a year and emits 570 tons of carbon dioxide and 15 metric tons of nitrogen oxides. “We are proud to operate the world’s first electric ferry”, says Sigvald Breivik, Technical director of Norled. “Siemens has been a great partner in finding innovative and sustainable solutions for our environment.” On board the ferry, Siemens installed its electric propulsion system BlueDrive PlusC. It includes a battery and steering system, thruster control for the propellers, an energy management system and an integrated alarm system. The integrated automation systems control and monitor the machineries and auxiliaries on the ferry and are connected via Profibus to all other subsystems. “We are both optimistic and excited about this technology and how it will help shape the future of environmentally friendly maritime technology,” says Mario Azar, CEO of the Siemens Business Unit Oil & Gas and Marine. “We were pleased to apply our expertise in this field including electric propulsion systems to such a worthwhile project.” Unlike many electric cars, the emission-free ferry was developed from the ground up. The ferry, which is 80 meters long and 20 meters wide, is driven by two electric motors, each with an output of 450 kilowatts. It is made exclusively of light aluminum rather than the steel normally used in shipbuilding. This makes the ferry only half as heavy as a conventional ferry, despite its ten ton batteries and a capacity for 360 passengers and 120 vehicles. An aluminum hull also has double the lifetime as steel hull, which leads to lower maintenance costs. Ship owner Norled operates on the ferry link across Sognefjord between Lavik and Oppedal, Norway. The fully electric ferry travels six kilometers across the fjord 34 times a day, with each trip taking around 20 minutes. The unique solution is a result of a competition that Ministry of Transport and Communications and the Norwegian Public Roads Administration launched in 2010. Batteries are expected to become considerably more efficient and less expensive in the next few years, which tip the scales further away from diesel as the most popular fuel source. The first electric car and passenger ferry in the world, equipped by Siemens in cooperation with shipbuilder Fjellstrand, has been taken into operation. With three battery packs, one on board and one at each pier, it functions completely emission free. With its 80 meter length and 20 meters width, the ferry transports up to 120 cars and 360 passengers. It is made exclusively of light aluminum rather than the steel normally u
[EVDL] EVLN: Twizy 'Twambulance' EV converted to an Urban-EMS Ambulance
http://www.ems1.com/ems-products/ambulances/articles/2172602-Tiny-electric-car-redesigned-to-be-a-Twambulance/ Tiny electric car redesigned to be a 'Twambulance' By James Brodie Top Gear [15 Apr 2015] [images https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCodJN2WMAA7u7g.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCodJR6WAAEJpie.jpg tweet https://twitter.com/EHcars/status/588314748162289664 Electric&Hybrid Cars @EHcars (Turkish>translate.google>English Perfect for fast response and narrow streets> 100% electric Twizy Cargo Ambulance #TWIZY #elektrikliotomobil ) Hizli müdahale ve dar sokaklar için biçilmis kaftan> %100 elektrikli Twizy Cargo Ambulance #TWIZY #ElektrikliOtomobil 5:15 AM - 15 Apr 2015 ] Renault Twizy Cargo is platform for electrical-vehicle to bring emergency care in busy, congested areas before ambulance arrives Ambulances do a wonderful job, but the necessity of transporting broken humans means they're generally too bulky to squeeze their way to off-the-beaten-track trouble. Help is at hand, though, in the shape of an ambulance version of the Renault Twizy. Yes, really. The ambulance uses the Twizy Cargo as a starting block, the van-like variant that ditches the passenger seat for a 180-litre cargo deck. [© ems1.com] http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/renault-twizy-ambulance-2015-04-15 James Brodie 15 April 2015 This is a Renault Twizy ambulance Oh yes. France’s tiny electric pod joins the emergency services. It's the Twambulance! [images http://www.topgear.com/uk/imageresize/image.jpg?OriginalImageUrl=%2fuk%2fassets%2fcms%2f7d1e4ddd-f2c2-4d32-b285-c7c6b205571d%2fLarge+Image.jpg Twizy ambulance http://www.topgear.com/uk/imageresize/image.jpg?OriginalImageUrl=%2fuk%2fassets%2fcms%2f7d1e4ddd-f2c2-4d32-b285-c7c6b205571d%2fLarge+Image+2.jpg http://www.topgear.com/uk/imageresize/image.jpg?OriginalImageUrl=%2fuk%2fassets%2fcms%2f7d1e4ddd-f2c2-4d32-b285-c7c6b205571d%2fLarge+Image+3.jpg ] Ambulances do a wonderful job, but the necessity of transporting broken humans means they're generally too bulky to squeeze their way to off-the-beaten-track trouble. Help is at hand, though, in the shape of an ambulance version of the Renault Twizy. Yes, really. The ambulance uses the Twizy Cargo as a starting block, the van-like variant that ditches the passenger seat for a 180-litre cargo deck. That means space for an assortment of potentially life-saving equipment. Ambulance crafting company M&L then gives the Twizy an A&E makeover, applying hi-vis livery and sirens. Quite what the sirens do to the Twizy's 62-mile electric range could be a minor concern, though. We're told the Twambulance is rather specifically aimed to work "up and down a busy coastal town's beach front," administering essential emergency treatment, while a ‘real' ambulance presumably winds its way through the crowds. That's a far more ambitious role than first outlined by Renault, who stated the Twizy Cargo was aimed at inner city pizza deliveries. Now, though, the Twizy is capable of delivering health-debilitating food and providing the necessary medical care that follows. This isn't the first time we've seen a Twizy given a makeover. Back in 2013, Renault shoehorned in a KERS unit from its 2011-spec F1 engine to create the 100bhp Twizy F1, shod with slicks from a Formula Renault car and capable of 0-62mph in under seven seconds. A handy future modification if the response times from the 17bhp Twambulance aren't up to scratch... [© topgear.com] For EVLN posts use: http://evdl.org/evln/ http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/20/connecticut-cheapr-ev-phev-h2-incentive/ First-gen Chevy Volt doesn't qualify for CT's new max EV rebate http://www.wsj.com/articles/fiat-chrysler-to-use-aluminum-electric-motors-to-boost-fuel-economy-1432127520 CEO considering an e-motor 4Grand Cherokee& Town&Country minivan pih http://blog.caranddriver.com/2017-chrysler-town-country-may-get-electric-motor-based-awd-option/ http://seekingalpha.com/article/3197746-russia-rare-earth-element-production-will-grow Russian Rare Earth Element Production seek$ 2Grow> China competion http://evfleetworld.co.uk/news/2015/May/British-Gas-deploys-electric-shuttle-service/0438019935 British Gas deploys 2 MBenz E-CELL Traveliner electric shuttles http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098372_german-state-to-test-city-eco-lanes-for-cleanest-cars-carpools German “Umweltstreifen” (eco lane) Testing> For EVs &Cleanest-ice http://thecorknews.ie/articles/it’s-electric-18745 L2 eCar EVSE in Cork.uk, help from DoT regs http://www.issaquahreporter.com/news/304151201.html EVSE @Big Rock Park WA, 20 trees planted for the four trees removed + EVLN: Plugin buyers mainly seek a less costly ride {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Twizy-Twambulance-EV-converted-to-an-Urban-EMS-Ambulance-tp4675722.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___
[EVDL] EVLN: Plugin buyers primarily seek a less costly ride
http://ecomento.com/2015/05/18/electric-car-buyers-are-bargain-hunters-study/ Electric car buyers are bargain hunters: Study May 18, 2015 | According to a study by TrueCar, electric car buyers are bargain hunters first and environmental activists second. They are also younger than average and wealthier, too. TrueCar looked most closely at the Ford Focus. For the conventional Focus, buyers are 46 years old on average and have a household income of $77,000 a year. But for Focus Electric buyers, the average age is 43 with a household income of $199,000. That’s according to TrueCar President John Krafcik. 82% of Focus Electric buyers said generous rebates and incentives were the main reason for their purchase. TrueCar says that proves wealthy people have a sharper eye for a bargain than ordinary people. “These are really affluent folks,” says Krafcik. “It’s their psyche.” Comparing Fiat 500 buyers with Fiat 500e buyers showed similar trends. The average person who bought a conventional 500 was age 47 with a household income of $73,000 a year. The 500e attracts buyers with an average age of 45 and annual income of $145,000. 52% of 500 buyers were lured by getting a good deal. Among 500e buyers, that number jumped to 67%. The perfect example of how incentives can influence savvy shoppers occurred earlier this year when a noted San Francisco car enthusiast figured out how he could put a number of incentives together to lease a Fiat 500e for only $82.75 a month. He told a few friends and they all told a few friends. Within a week, more than 100 new 500e’s had moved out of showrooms and onto Bay Area streets. TrueCar’s findings agree with those from a 2012 study by the Electric Vehicle Information Exchange, which found EV owners were primarily “very well educated, upper-middle-class white men in their early 50s with ideal living situations for EV charging.” That doesn’t bode well for manufacturers who hope electric cars will soon be selling by the millions rather than the thousands. There just aren’t that many very well educated upper middle class white men in their early 50’s out there. It’s also bad news for governments that hope electric cars will soon be the vehicle of choice for most people. The findings might cause some to question the wisdom of the $7,500 federal tax credit available to US citizens. Are the taxpayers getting good value for their money or just helping wealthy people get wealthier? Ron Cogan, publisher of the GreenCarJournal, says the electric owners tend to break down in groups. Some are environmental do-gooders who may be poor but are out to save the planet. “They are doing right by the environment,” he says. Others are rich people looking for a deal on a second or third car. With a cheap lease, they can use it to tool around town while the Bentley stays home in the garage. The good news for electric car advocates is that the studies by TrueCar and the Electric Vehicle Information Exchange may be flawed. Ford sold 18,100 of its conventional Focus cars last month but only 124 Focus Electrics. [© ecomento.com] For EVLN posts use: http://evdl.org/evln/ http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/20/connecticut-cheapr-ev-phev-h2-incentive/ First-gen Chevy Volt doesn't qualify for CT's new max EV rebate http://www.wsj.com/articles/fiat-chrysler-to-use-aluminum-electric-motors-to-boost-fuel-economy-1432127520 CEO considering an e-motor 4Grand Cherokee& Town&Country minivan pih http://blog.caranddriver.com/2017-chrysler-town-country-may-get-electric-motor-based-awd-option/ http://seekingalpha.com/article/3197746-russia-rare-earth-element-production-will-grow Russian Rare Earth Element Production seek$ 2Grow> China competion http://evfleetworld.co.uk/news/2015/May/British-Gas-deploys-electric-shuttle-service/0438019935 British Gas deploys 2 MBenz E-CELL Traveliner electric shuttles http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098372_german-state-to-test-city-eco-lanes-for-cleanest-cars-carpools German “Umweltstreifen” (eco lane) Testing> For EVs &Cleanest-ice http://thecorknews.ie/articles/it’s-electric-18745 L2 eCar EVSE in Cork.uk, help from DoT regs http://www.issaquahreporter.com/news/304151201.html EVSE @Big Rock Park WA, 20 trees planted for the four trees removed + EVLN: Twizy 'Twambulance' EV redesigned as an Urban-EMS Ambulance {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Plugin-buyers-primarily-seek-a-less-costly-ride-tp4675723.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] 3D-Printed Smartphone-Controlled e-Skateboard tested @Pier9 SF-CA (v)
http://3dprint.com/65209/faraday-electric-skateboard/ Smartphone Controlled Electric Skateboard 3D Printed at Autodesk’s Pier 9 by Scott J Grunewald · May 14, 2015 [images http://3dprint.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/3dp_faraday_machine_front.jpg http://3dprint.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/850.png http://3dprint.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/3dp_faradaymotion_app.png The app used to control the skateboard video flash (Faraday Motion’s latest 3D printed prototype being tested in front of Autodesk’s Pier 9 location in San Francisco) ] Skateboards have long been the transportation choice of many a car-less teenager, but now that an entire generation of skaters have grown into adulthood many of them have brought their boards along with them. For millions of pedestrians, a skateboard is a fun and logical option to traverse long distances quickly and avoid the frustrations of gridlocked traffic or overcrowded and inefficient public transportation. So it was only a matter of time before there were attempts to improve or enhance the skateboard riding experience, and some of those enhancements could possibly lead to some rather incredible advances for people dependent on mobility assistance devices. Electric skateboards aren’t a new product–they have been around for years–however, they can sometimes be difficult to control. Often they are made for sportsmen and professional riders and consist of little more than a board with a small motor attached to it. That can be dangerous for someone who is new or only moderately skilled at riding a board, and in fact many municipalities have even banned the devices on city streets and sidewalks. Faraday Motion is a collection of engineers, makers, and researchers from Denmark, Poland, Sweden, and the US who want innovate the personal mobility device. They are currently developing an open platform, modular personal electric vehicle that can be moved via a motion control smartphone app. The prototype is based on a standard skateboard, but they have completely stripped most of it away and loaded it with small motors and an entire array of new, 3D printed parts and components. A simple smartphone application controls the device’s speed and direction and based on the rider’s hand movements, and the maximum speed can be preset before the board is used. In 2013, the head of Faraday Motion’s business strategy and software team, Sune Pedersen, was dealing with an old knee injury and continuing pain and mobility issues, so he decided to see if he could create a new type of urban transportation. He based his prototype on components designed in Tinkercad and used an Onda Motion Core skateboard for its oversized wheels and durable composite plastic body. While a skateboard may not be the ideal mobility assistance device, the technology being developed can be implemented in a variety of assistance devices. “I do not think that an electric skateboard is the perfect way of transportation for everyone. But the technology we are using; compact batteries, high power motors and advanced computers with intelligent software interacting with a range of sensors and user inputs, can be applied to a range of totally different personal transportation devices not yet seen before. 3d printing combined with our technology will make it easy to quickly invent totally new vehicle types, you could i.e. use our technology to make grandmothers walker electric or even design something innovative from scratch that would look way cooler than anything out there,” explained Pedersen. Because Pedersen’s prototype was created using custom designed, modular 3D printed parts his first prototype is still in use, though he has significantly modified it 15 times or so. While he has at this point finally created a second, more advanced prototype, the first remains in use today for developing new features and testing. You can see some video of his prototype and the control application in action here: One of Pedersen’s biggest hurdles wasn’t actually the development of his prototype–it was his ability to access the type of equipment that he would traditionally use in the process. Because he lives in a large metropolitan city in Denmark where space is at a premium, he didn’t have the space or access to use standard tooling and fabrication machinery, so he turned to 3D printing to fill in the gaps. Almost every part on his prototype was designed in 123D Design and 3D printed on his Ultimaker 2. All of his custom electronic components were designed using 123D Circuits, an Autodesk program that allows users to design and simulate their electronics projects virtually. This allowed him to complete his prototype almost entirely in his living room. Here is a video of Faraday Motion’s latest 3D printed prototype being tested in front of Autodesk’s Pier 9 location in San Francisco: Pedersen and the rest of the Faraday Motion team are expected to be showing off their latest electric skateboard this month at the Aut
[EVDL] 'Some crazy bastard crammed an electric motor into an old Miata'
'electric-powered car championed by engineering students from UBC' http://gizmodo.com/the-most-amazing-things-we-saw-at-bay-area-maker-faire-1705378174 The Most Amazing Things We Saw at Bay Area Maker Faire Last Weekend Sean Buckley 5/19/15 [image http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--EiSXidFR--/1259451428781538989.jpg awesome homemade electric vehicle http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--M08QtEIV--/1259451428854766765.jpg http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--tJm67fq9--/1259451427625907117.gif (animated gif) Scott Parenteau’s “Walking Pod” is a walking geodesic dome. A twelve-legged, solar powered robot. Its 0.2 MPH top speed won’t outpace the average person, but its slow crawl is hauntingly beautiful. ] ... this awesome homemade electric vehicle was parked right behind it: Yes, it’s exactly what it looks like—some crazy bastard crammed an electric motor into an old Miata. Patrick Makey spent almost $14,000 converting this 1992 Miata into a modern electric vehicle. The batteries in its trunk cost Makey $7,000 on their own—but the conversion still cost him less than buying an electric car new. It’s a fine example of the passion Makers have: if you can’t afford to buy the technology you want to ride into the future, build it yourself ... [© gizmodo.com] http://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/140195/Kings-of-the-hill Kings of the hill by Carmen Weld | May 19, 2015 ... “There was a good crowd of spectators on Saturday,” says Fulton. “Sunday, the crowd was a little less due to the rain, but we still managed to get all seven runs in that we promised the drivers, so it was just fantastic.” For the first time in the race's history, an electric-powered car championed by engineering students from UBC also held its own, competing in five of seven runs ... ... http://www.knoxmtnhillclimb.ca/results/2015results_overall.pdf full list of the results ... http://ubcelectriccar.com/ UBC Electric Car Club UBC Engineering Design Team http://paf.engineering.ubc.ca/2013/08/31/ubc-electric-car-club/ For EVLN posts use: http://evdl.org/evln/ {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Some-crazy-bastard-crammed-an-electric-motor-into-an-old-Miata-tp4675728.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GenZe e-bicycle has the same batteries as a Tesla-S EV
I designed the first Li-ion battery pack to power a car made from 8500 Panasonic and Sanyo 18650 cells to power my 1970 VW in 2004 resulting 35kw 200 mile range. This was done before Tesla developed their roadster. The batteries were sold to the engineers leaving my VW without. You can watch a interview here on YouTubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVlsSAZPvU8 . I feel that in some way I contributed to the success of Tesla making the finest car in the world. Al Bullock -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-GenZe-e-bicycle-has-the-same-batteries-as-a-Tesla-S-EV-tp4675718p4675729.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GenZe e-bicycle has the same batteries as a Tesla-S EV
I think it's possible they used your idea if this video was out there somewhere. Sent from my iPhone > On May 23, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Cruisin via EV wrote: > > I designed the first Li-ion battery pack to power a car made from 8500 > Panasonic and Sanyo 18650 cells to power my 1970 VW in 2004 resulting 35kw > 200 mile range. This was done before Tesla developed their roadster. The > batteries were sold to the engineers leaving my VW without. You can watch a > interview here on YouTubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVlsSAZPvU8 > . I feel that in some way I contributed to the success of Tesla making the > finest car in the world. Al Bullock > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-GenZe-e-bicycle-has-the-same-batteries-as-a-Tesla-S-EV-tp4675718p4675729.html > Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GenZe e-bicycle has the same batteries as a Tesla-S EV
Maybe you did! It's hard to know the paths of information. -- Original Message -- From: "Cruisin via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 23-May-15 5:54:01 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GenZe e-bicycle has the same batteries as a Tesla-S EV I designed the first Li-ion battery pack to power a car made from 8500 Panasonic and Sanyo 18650 cells to power my 1970 VW in 2004 resulting 35kw 200 mile range. This was done before Tesla developed their roadster. The batteries were sold to the engineers leaving my VW without. You can watch a interview here on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVlsSAZPvU8 . I feel that in some way I contributed to the success of Tesla making the finest car in the world. Al Bullock -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-GenZe-e-bicycle-has-the-same-batteries-as-a-Tesla-S-EV-tp4675718p4675729.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.
It's difficult for us EV enthusiasts to know what the rest of the world thinks. So I went and asked three non EV people their opionions. These are moderately affluent people who are married and own two cars per household. I'll present their stories here but won't try to interpret their meanings too much. I posed the question like this: Suppose one of your cars broke down and you decided it wasn't worth fixing. You're going to buy a new car. Why would or would not you choose an electric vehicle? 1. I'd probably choose a gas car. Don't I have to install some sort of charging system at home? That might be difficult. And are there enough charging stations around? I don't know if I would need to charge while driving places. Of course, my wife hardly drives a few miles each day, she would never run out of charge. 2. I hear that Tesla is coming out with a 200 mile range EV for around $40K in a few years. I think I'd rather wait for that rather than buy a car that doesn't really fit my needs. 3. To buy an EV, I spend more and get less car. With my gas car, I don't have to plan ahead. If I need to go a long distance, I just go. (Me: what about using your wife's car?) Well, she might be using it to go a longer distance at the same time. I could have asked more questions and led the discussions but I more or less just left it. In the last case, it's evident that renting a car or using a service like car2go for the rare cases where both people need to go "long" distances either seemed too inconvenient or wasn't considered. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Paul Dove via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 20-May-15 4:28:29 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery. Well I am sorry he got annoyed and left but I still disagree. All we are seeing is the adoption curve. Any new technology takes time to be mass accepted. Before the lithium battery electric vehicles were a novelty. Now they are here to stay. Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2015, at 1:45 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 19 May 2015 at 22:52, jerry freedomev via EV wrote: Hi Arak and all, Well you did say that since EV's didn't fit 30% of the population needs it wasn't good on an EV list kind of should expect blowback. Well said Jerry, but Arak isn't listening. Thus challenged, he got indignant and unsubscribed. :-( Let us not forget the immortal Fidonet Principles: Thou shalt not be too annoying. Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed. I'm sympathetic with some of his points, though. Most of us here don't think EVs have to manage all the missions and trips that ICEVs can, but we're not normal vehicle buyers. The average person is not going to pay an ICEV price for a car that does less and covers fewer of his transporation needs than an ICEV does. That's just normal, rational consumer behavior. To really take off, EVs that look and cost like ICEVs have to work like ICEVs. EVs that don't, don't. Hint, hint. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GenZe e-bicycle has the same batteries as a Tesla-S EV
Paul Dove via EV wrote: I think it's possible they used your idea if this video was out there somewhere. That, or Alan Cocconi's Tzero. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Propulsion_tzero Cocconi built Tzero in 1997 with lead-acid batteries. Martin Eberhard had him convert one to lithium laptop cells in 2003. This became the prototype for Martin to start Tesla motors. -- The greatest pleasure in life is to create something that wasn't there before. -- Roy Spence -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.
True, new concepts take time to catch on. We who own EVs know these are unfounded fears. I would be apprehensive of selling my car and moving to a big city and using mass transits because I've always lived in rural areas but many people get by just fine like that. Sent from my iPhone > On May 23, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > It's difficult for us EV enthusiasts to know what the rest of the world > thinks. So I went and asked three non EV people their opionions. These are > moderately affluent people who are married and own two cars per household. > I'll present their stories here but won't try to interpret their meanings too > much. > > I posed the question like this: Suppose one of your cars broke down and you > decided it wasn't worth fixing. You're going to buy a new car. Why would or > would not you choose an electric vehicle? > > 1. I'd probably choose a gas car. Don't I have to install some sort of > charging system at home? That might be difficult. And are there enough > charging stations around? I don't know if I would need to charge while > driving places. Of course, my wife hardly drives a few miles each day, she > would never run out of charge. > > 2. I hear that Tesla is coming out with a 200 mile range EV for around $40K > in a few years. I think I'd rather wait for that rather than buy a car that > doesn't really fit my needs. > > 3. To buy an EV, I spend more and get less car. With my gas car, I don't > have to plan ahead. If I need to go a long distance, I just go. (Me: what > about using your wife's car?) Well, she might be using it to go a longer > distance at the same time. > > I could have asked more questions and led the discussions but I more or less > just left it. In the last case, it's evident that renting a car or using a > service like car2go for the rare cases where both people need to go "long" > distances either seemed too inconvenient or wasn't considered. > > Peri > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Paul Dove via EV" > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" > Sent: 20-May-15 4:28:29 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? > It's the battery. > >> Well I am sorry he got annoyed and left but I still disagree. All we are >> seeing is the adoption curve. Any new technology takes time to be mass >> accepted. Before the lithium battery electric vehicles were a novelty. Now >> they are here to stay. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On May 20, 2015, at 1:45 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 19 May 2015 at 22:52, jerry freedomev via EV wrote: Hi Arak and all, Well you did say that since EV's didn't fit 30% of the population needs it wasn't good on an EV list kind of should expect blowback. >>> >>> Well said Jerry, but Arak isn't listening. Thus challenged, he got indignant >>> and unsubscribed. :-( >>> >>> Let us not forget the immortal Fidonet Principles: >>>Thou shalt not be too annoying. >>>Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed. >>> >>> I'm sympathetic with some of his points, though. Most of us here don't >>> think EVs have to manage all the missions and trips that ICEVs can, but >>> we're not normal vehicle buyers. The average person is not going to pay an >>> ICEV price for a car that does less and covers fewer of his transporation >>> needs than an ICEV does. That's just normal, rational consumer behavior. >>> >>> To really take off, EVs that look and cost like ICEVs have to work like >>> ICEVs. EVs that don't, don't. Hint, hint. >>> >>> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA >>> EVDL Administrator >>> >>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >>> EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ >>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >>> Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not >>> reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my >>> email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . >>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lis
Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better?It's the battery.
"unknown makes unloved" If I here (in Silicon Valley) ask how I can go to San Francisco, the people start to explain which freeways I need to take: 101 or 280! When I probe a bit more "any alternatives?" then they become creative: you could drive up Skyline (35) or take 1 along the coast... It does not enter their mind that I might want to go by train or bus or taxi or even ride my bicycle on the Bay Trail to get to the city. The car is so engrained, that people only choose from the solutions that they would take themselves, because they know them. Similar to EV. Plenty EV'ers have found out that their EV is their main vehicle, that it suits 90+% of their driving needs and they either rent, borrow or share a long-range vehicle for the rare occasion. That all sounds like a "hassle" to people raised with the status quo of liquid fuel cars and it also paves the way for non-starter solutions like Hydrogen to collect a following, even though it is a lose-lose-lose proposition. (CO2 production goes up; infrastructure spending goes through the roof and the operational cost is higher - not to mention the risks inherent to this "fuel") Luckily I see some battery developments in progress that will make Hydrogen irrelevant, so the lobbyists will soon find a closed door, but it will take a few more years, so we will have to endure that madness for a little longer. In the mean time, companies like Tesla make the EV a desired item, not a hassle and Nissan has paved the way to get masses into the EV driver seat, so we just need to stay steady with the message that you are driving your EV for free, compared to the expenses of an ICE and people will continue to be curious how they can also lower the cost of their worst habit and the increasing competition in the market will also drive the price down, in addition to ever better range and charge speed. I heard from solar installers that about 50% of households who get an EV, also opt to install solar if they can, so they not only have freed themselves from paying for their fuel from that moment onwards, but also eliminated the impact on the environment for their driving habit. To come back to the 3 interviewed persons - now that they are questioned about it, they may realize that they answered without actually knowing all that much, so they might ask others or question their own opinion. If they find acceptable answers from a reliable source (someone they trust relates how they enjoy their EV) then they may very well change their opinion - it is an opinion after all... Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Paul Dove via EV Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 2:12 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better?It's the battery. True, new concepts take time to catch on. We who own EVs know these are unfounded fears. I would be apprehensive of selling my car and moving to a big city and using mass transits because I've always lived in rural areas but many people get by just fine like that. Sent from my iPhone > On May 23, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > It's difficult for us EV enthusiasts to know what the rest of the world > thinks. So I went and asked three non EV people their opionions. These are > moderately affluent people who are married and own two cars per household. > I'll present their stories here but won't try to interpret their meanings too > much. > > I posed the question like this: Suppose one of your cars broke down and you > decided it wasn't worth fixing. You're going to buy a new car. Why would or > would not you choose an electric vehicle? > > 1. I'd probably choose a gas car. Don't I have to install some sort of > charging system at home? That might be difficult. And are there enough > charging stations around? I don't know if I would need to charge while > driving places. Of course, my wife hardly drives a few miles each day, she > would never run out of charge. > > 2. I hear that Tesla is coming out with a 200 mile range EV for around $40K > in a few years. I think I'd rather wait for that rather than buy a car that > doesn't really fit my needs. > > 3. To buy an EV, I spend more and get less car. With my gas car, I don't > have to plan ahead. If I need to go a long distance, I just go. (Me: what > about using your wife's car?) Well, she might be using it to go a longer > distance at th
[EVDL] We've talked about it for years, now they've done it (was: Norled Ampere e-ferry.no with two 450kW e-motors)
We have talked in the past about how you could, in concept, "dump charge" rapidly in 10 minutes or so from a stationary pack. Then you would run around for awhile. While you were gone, the dump pack has recharged at some modest rate from the grid. Rinse and repeat. :-) Some folks have tried it with limited success in racing. Now the Norwegians have done it! This ferry is"dump charging" daily and has proved that what we have conjectured in the past works in reality. Buses and commuter trains are next. Maybe even cars. No need for a pack swap. Just fast charge. Can't wait to hear about the next implementation. Bill D. On 5/23/2015 5:29 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: % Uses hydro-powered grid charged pier li-ion packs> charge li-ion e-ferry pack at each side> only takes 10min > 60% savedon fuel co$t$ & huge reduction on pollution % http://www.maritime-executive.com/article/worlds-first-electrical-car-ferry-in-operation [Photos] World's First Electrical Car Ferry in Operation By MarEx 2015-05-19 [images http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/article/Photos/Vessels_Small/Cropped/ampere%20with%20snow%2016x9.jpg Electric Car Ferry http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/ampere%20loading.jpg http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/corvus%20batteries.jpg http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/control%20panel.jpg (EVSE) http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/charging%20while%20waiting.jpg http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/charging%20wires.jpg (coupler) ] The world’s first electrical car and passenger ferry powered by batteries has entered service in Norway. The ferry only uses 150 kWh per route, which corresponds to three days use of electricity in a standard Norwegian household. Built in conjunction with shipbuilder Fjellstrand, Siemens installed the complete electric propulsion system and put up charging stations with lithium-ion batteries which are charged from hydro power. With the change to battery, shipowner Norled is reducing the cost of fuel by up to 60 percent. The Norled ferry Ampere represents a milestone on the road to operating completely emission-free ferries along Norway’s long coastline, with at least 50 other routes currently able to sustain battery-operated vessels. Because the power grid in the region is relatively weak, Siemens and Norled decided to install three battery packs: one lithium-ion battery on board the ferry, and one at each pier to serve as a buffer. The 260-kWh-units supply electricity to the ferry while it waits. Afterward, the battery slowly recoups all of this energy from the grid until the ship comes back again to drop off passengers and recharge. Charging stations are housed in small buildings about the size of newsstands. The ship’s onboard batteries are recharged directly from the grid at night when the ferry is not in use. Each battery pack corresponds to the effect of 1600 standard car batteries. The Norled ferry will consume around two million kWh per year, whereas a traditional diesel ferry consumes at least one million liters of diesel a year and emits 570 tons of carbon dioxide and 15 metric tons of nitrogen oxides. “We are proud to operate the world’s first electric ferry”, says Sigvald Breivik, Technical director of Norled. “Siemens has been a great partner in finding innovative and sustainable solutions for our environment.” On board the ferry, Siemens installed its electric propulsion system BlueDrive PlusC. It includes a battery and steering system, thruster control for the propellers, an energy management system and an integrated alarm system. The integrated automation systems control and monitor the machineries and auxiliaries on the ferry and are connected via Profibus to all other subsystems. “We are both optimistic and excited about this technology and how it will help shape the future of environmentally friendly maritime technology,” says Mario Azar, CEO of the Siemens Business Unit Oil & Gas and Marine. “We were pleased to apply our expertise in this field including electric propulsion systems to such a worthwhile project.” Unlike many electric cars, the emission-free ferry was developed from the ground up. The ferry, which is 80 meters long and 20 meters wide, is driven by two electric motors, each with an output of 450 kilowatts. It is made exclusively of light aluminum rather than the steel normally used in shipbuilding. This makes the ferry only half as heavy as a conventional ferry, despite its ten ton batteries and a capacity for 360 passengers and 120 vehicles. An aluminum hull also has double the lifetime as steel hull, which leads to lower maintenance costs. Ship owner Norled operates on the ferry link across Sognefjord between Lavik and Oppedal, Norway. The fully electric ferry travels six kilometers across the fjord 34 times a day, with each trip taking around 20 minutes. The unique solution is a result of a competition that Ministry of Transport and Communications an
Re: [EVDL] We've talked about it for years, now they've done it (was: Norled Ampere e-ferry.no with two 450kW e-motors)
Yep, the next wave of trolley buses will be wireless - charged at the ends of their routes, probably with dump chargers. -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Dube via EV" To: "brucedp5" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 23-May-15 9:18:12 PM Subject: [EVDL] We've talked about it for years, now they've done it (was: Norled Ampere e-ferry.no with two 450kW e-motors) We have talked in the past about how you could, in concept, "dump charge" rapidly in 10 minutes or so from a stationary pack. Then you would run around for awhile. While you were gone, the dump pack has recharged at some modest rate from the grid. Rinse and repeat. :-) Some folks have tried it with limited success in racing. Now the Norwegians have done it! This ferry is"dump charging" daily and has proved that what we have conjectured in the past works in reality. Buses and commuter trains are next. Maybe even cars. No need for a pack swap. Just fast charge. Can't wait to hear about the next implementation. Bill D. On 5/23/2015 5:29 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: % Uses hydro-powered grid charged pier li-ion packs> charge li-ion e-ferry pack at each side> only takes 10min > 60% savedon fuel co$t$ & huge reduction on pollution % http://www.maritime-executive.com/article/worlds-first-electrical-car-ferry-in-operation [Photos] World's First Electrical Car Ferry in Operation By MarEx 2015-05-19 [images http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/article/Photos/Vessels_Small/Cropped/ampere%20with%20snow%2016x9.jpg Electric Car Ferry http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/ampere%20loading.jpg http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/corvus%20batteries.jpg http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/control%20panel.jpg (EVSE) http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/charging%20while%20waiting.jpg http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/charging%20wires.jpg (coupler) ] The world’s first electrical car and passenger ferry powered by batteries has entered service in Norway. The ferry only uses 150 kWh per route, which corresponds to three days use of electricity in a standard Norwegian household. Built in conjunction with shipbuilder Fjellstrand, Siemens installed the complete electric propulsion system and put up charging stations with lithium-ion batteries which are charged from hydro power. With the change to battery, shipowner Norled is reducing the cost of fuel by up to 60 percent. The Norled ferry Ampere represents a milestone on the road to operating completely emission-free ferries along Norway’s long coastline, with at least 50 other routes currently able to sustain battery-operated vessels. Because the power grid in the region is relatively weak, Siemens and Norled decided to install three battery packs: one lithium-ion battery on board the ferry, and one at each pier to serve as a buffer. The 260-kWh-units supply electricity to the ferry while it waits. Afterward, the battery slowly recoups all of this energy from the grid until the ship comes back again to drop off passengers and recharge. Charging stations are housed in small buildings about the size of newsstands. The ship’s onboard batteries are recharged directly from the grid at night when the ferry is not in use. Each battery pack corresponds to the effect of 1600 standard car batteries. The Norled ferry will consume around two million kWh per year, whereas a traditional diesel ferry consumes at least one million liters of diesel a year and emits 570 tons of carbon dioxide and 15 metric tons of nitrogen oxides. “We are proud to operate the world’s first electric ferry”, says Sigvald Breivik, Technical director of Norled. “Siemens has been a great partner in finding innovative and sustainable solutions for our environment.” On board the ferry, Siemens installed its electric propulsion system BlueDrive PlusC. It includes a battery and steering system, thruster control for the propellers, an energy management system and an integrated alarm system. The integrated automation systems control and monitor the machineries and auxiliaries on the ferry and are connected via Profibus to all other subsystems. “We are both optimistic and excited about this technology and how it will help shape the future of environmentally friendly maritime technology,” says Mario Azar, CEO of the Siemens Business Unit Oil & Gas and Marine. “We were pleased to apply our expertise in this field including electric propulsion systems to such a worthwhile project.” Unlike many electric cars, the emission-free ferry was developed from the ground up. The ferry, which is 80 meters long and 20 meters wide, is driven by two electric motors, each with an output of 450 kilowatts. It is made exclusively of light aluminum rather than the steel normally used in shipbuilding. This makes the ferry only half as heavy as a conventional ferry, despite its ten ton batteries and a capacity for 360 passengers a
Re: [EVDL] We've talked about it for years, now they've done it (was: Norled Ampere e-ferry.no with two 450kW e-motors)
AFAIK dump charging buses is already being done. How else can you recharge the pack of an operational bus in a few minutes, every loop it makes? Note that there are two different systems that I know of for buses: - one where the bus is positioned under an arm at the stop and the arm with a large contact plugs into the bus for a conductive charge - I have seen the concept, I don't know if it is in actual use. - one where the bus is positioned over a loop in the bus stop and the bus gets charged wirelessly. This is not a concept, but in daily use on at least one commercial bus route in The Netherlands. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dube via EV Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 9:18 PM To: brucedp5; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: [EVDL] We've talked about it for years, now they've done it (was: Norled Ampere e-ferry.no with two 450kW e-motors) We have talked in the past about how you could, in concept, "dump charge" rapidly in 10 minutes or so from a stationary pack. Then you would run around for awhile. While you were gone, the dump pack has recharged at some modest rate from the grid. Rinse and repeat. :-) Some folks have tried it with limited success in racing. Now the Norwegians have done it! This ferry is"dump charging" daily and has proved that what we have conjectured in the past works in reality. Buses and commuter trains are next. Maybe even cars. No need for a pack swap. Just fast charge. Can't wait to hear about the next implementation. Bill D. On 5/23/2015 5:29 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > % Uses hydro-powered grid charged pier li-ion packs> charge li-ion > e-ferry pack at each side> only takes 10min > 60% savedon fuel co$t$ & > huge reduction on pollution % > > http://www.maritime-executive.com/article/worlds-first-electrical-car- > ferry-in-operation [Photos] World's First Electrical Car Ferry in > Operation By MarEx 2015-05-19 > > [images > http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/article/Photos/Vessels_ > Small/Cropped/ampere%20with%20snow%2016x9.jpg > Electric Car Ferry > > http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/ampere%20loading.jpg > > http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/corvus%20batteries.jpg > > http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/control%20panel.jpg > (EVSE) > > http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/charging%20while%20wait > ing.jpg > > http://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/charging%20wires.jpg > (coupler) > ] > > The world’s first electrical car and passenger ferry powered by > batteries has entered service in Norway. The ferry only uses 150 kWh > per route, which corresponds to three days use of electricity in a > standard Norwegian household. > > Built in conjunction with shipbuilder Fjellstrand, Siemens installed > the complete electric propulsion system and put up charging stations > with lithium-ion batteries which are charged from hydro power. With > the change to battery, shipowner Norled is reducing the cost of fuel by up to > 60 percent. > > The Norled ferry Ampere represents a milestone on the road to > operating completely emission-free ferries along Norway’s long > coastline, with at least 50 other routes currently able to sustain > battery-operated vessels. > > Because the power grid in the region is relatively weak, Siemens and > Norled decided to install three battery packs: one lithium-ion battery > on board the ferry, and one at each pier to serve as a buffer. The > 260-kWh-units supply electricity to the ferry while it waits. > Afterward, the battery slowly recoups all of this energy from the grid > until the ship comes back again to drop off passengers and recharge. > > Charging stations are housed in small buildings about the size of > newsstands. The ship’s onboard batteries are recharged directly from > the grid at night when the ferry is not in use. Each battery pack > corresponds to the effect of 1600 standard car batteries. > > The Norled ferry will consume around two million kWh per year, whereas > a traditional diesel ferry consumes at least one million liters of > diesel a year and emits 570 tons of carbon dioxide and 15 metric tons > of nitrogen oxides. > > “We are proud to operate the world’s first electric ferry”, says > Sigvald Breivik, Technical director of Norled. “Siemens has been a > great partner in finding innovative and sustainable solutions for our > environment.” > > On board the ferry, Siemens i