Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NYPD busting & seizing escooters & ebicycles
Think what would happen if the messengers and delivery people in NYC had Ebikes - I caught this youtube video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OwyQNRjo6c Rush Dougherty Tucson AZ 85719 > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Cor van de Water via EV > Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 5:46 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NYPD busting & seizing escooters & ebicycles > > The problem is in NY state, any motorized bike is illegal to ride on public streets, since the > law does not allow them. Stupid, but that is the situation. > So, first the law needs to be changed, then education how to ride (and e-bike) safely can > follow. > > Cor van de Water > Chief Scientist > Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com > Email: cwa...@proxim.comPrivate: http://www.cvandewater.info > Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP: +31877841130 > Tel: +1 408 383 7626Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203 > > > > -Original Message- > From: EV on behalf of Larry Gales via EV > Sent: Sat 7/11/2015 5:43 PM > To: Rush Dougherty; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: EVDL Administrator > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NYPD busting & seizing escooters & ebicycles > > But are you talking about eBike RIDERS or eBike COURIERS? Yes, the eBike delivery > people ride like maniacs because they have a strong economic incentive to drive as fast > as possible, but all eBike riders (who can contribute to lower traffic congestion, parking, > and pollution), should not suffer because of these few. > > Granted, all bike riders should learn to obey the laws, but this should be much easier to do > in an eBike, because you have no strong incentive to maintain your momentum: it is just as > easy to go uphill in an eBike, as on the level. > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV > wrote: > > > While the law may be dumb and the facts cited wrong. The main negative > > thing about these electric scooters and electric bikes is that the > > riders TOTALLY ignore any law, they are actually quite dangereous. > > Even the average pedal bike rider ignores all the traffic laws. The > > name of the delivery game is how fast you can make your delivery > > period, not how fast you can do it and still respect the traffic > > rules. > > > > If the ebike riders would stop when they are supposed to, ride with > > the traffic, stay on the road, not the sidewalk etc, I'm sure they > > would be supported. > > But > > they don't obey the laws. > > > > Rush Dougherty > > Tucson AZ 85719 > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EVDL > > Administrator > > via EV > > > Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 1:25 PM > > > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NYPD busting & seizing escooters & > > > ebicycles > > > > > > Dumb, dumb law. NYC needs low-impact 2-wheel transportation as much > > > as > > any > > other > > > large city. > > > > > > "We try to confiscate them as soon as we see them" is the sort of > > > action > > that > > can give the > > > law a bad name. It sounds too much like the abuse of asset > > > forfeiture > > laws > > that's been in > > > the news for the last few years. > > > > > > These laws need to be modernized, pronto. At the same time, bike > > > riders > > need > > to obey the > > > traffic laws, whether their bikes have motors or not. > > > > > > Here in Ohio, no registration is required for e-bikes under 750 Watts. > > The > > law does require > > > either a driver's license or a "probationary motorized bicycle license" > > which > > you can get at > > > age 14 by passing a test. > > > > > > Not that I'd ever condone breaking the law, but today there's no > > > reason > > that > > an e-bike can't > > > look exactly like an unpowered bike. A modern hub motor can be > > surprisingly > > > inconspicuous. Lithium batteries and wiring can be packaged inside > > > the > > frame > > tubes. > > > > > > In fact powered bikes can be so subtle that for several years now > > > the > > Tour de > > France has > > > been plagued by rumors of "doped bikes" or "mechanical doping." > > > > > > http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/fresh-motorised-dopi > > > ng- > > > claims-ryder-hesjedals-bike-moves-134745 > > > > > > http://v.gd/FjUNaD > > > > > > Anyone trying to ride electrically "under the radar" would need to > > > use > > plenty > > of discretion, > > > which I hope would prevent the kind of shenanigans that seem be be > > raising a > > few gripes in > > > NYC. > > > > > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > > > EVDL Administrator > > > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL > > Information: > > > http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > = = > > = = = > > = = = > > > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. > > To send > > a private > > > message, please obtain
Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot
it is also possible for the % of EV owners who have solar panels to drop and for dirty energy to also drop, for example, if 100% of people drove electric but only 25% of them have solar then the % of dirty energy would drop since so many people are now using renewables. while that might be an extreme scenario, the fact is as more and more people put up solar panels the % use of dirty energy will drop thus even if the % of EV owners putting up solar drops becuase we will still be using less dirty energy. but as many pointed out i also think % of solar of by EV owners will go up, solar is cheaper than grid [but it requires an initial investment] but the credit you get from buying an EV will cover a PV system that will provide more power than your EV needs harry Albuquerque, NM current bike: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1179 current non-bike: http://evalbum.com/1000 On Sat, 8/15/15, tomw via EV wrote: Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot To: ev@lists.evdl.org Date: Saturday, August 15, 2015, 8:02 AM /"You may power your EV from the dirty power in your state, but studies in 2012 showed about 50% of EV owners charged their cars from 100% renewable solar or wind."/ I didn't say I powered my EV from the grid, you just made that assumption and acted on it without bothering to check if it was correct. Actually, I installed solar in 2008 the year before I converted the car, and supply the grid with 6kWh/day on average in addition to supplying the house and car. Most of the people in the local ev club do not have solar so I give the representative case, and also mention mine gets power from solar. /"Now just last week (2015) the Ford survey found that 83% of EV purchasers charge from 100% renewables or will when they can. So quoting the grid mix is doing a disservice to 83% of EV owners..."/ Is that survey of Ford EV purchasers a representative sample of all EV purchasers? Ford has sold a small proportion of the total number of EVs sold. How many in the survey were in the "will when they can" category, and how do you know they actually will? You are very quick to make assumptions that serve your case. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EV-facts-coal-and-shooting-ourselves-in-the-foot-tp4677154p4677170.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVent: Plugins @fossilfreeenergyfair.com 11a–5p 9/12 Cranberry-PA
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Fossil-Free Energy Fair plus Electric Car Show & Cruise
By michele bertini August 15, 2015
Saturday, September 12, 11am – 5pm, Cranberry, PA. The third Fossil-free
Energy Fair plus Electric Car Show & Cruise is sponsoring an event that
features the latest green energy sources and technologies such as electric
vehicles, sustainable products and green business solutions. Tesla, [Nissan
Leaf, other electric cars, and Chevy Volt pih] will be on display.
Location: Cranberry Commons Shopping Center (Rt. 228, Kohl’s lower parking
lot) Cranberry Township, PA 16066 [ (map)
https://www.google.com/maps/place/1717+PA-228,+16066
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This year’s fair will incorporate an electric car show and cruise in
conjunction with National Drive Electric Week. Owners of electric vehicles
and plug-in hybrid cars are invited to register to display their vehicles by
logging in at: https://driveelectricweek.org/event.php?eventid=394.
Sponsored by Marcellus Outreach Butler, in cooperation with Sustainable
Enterprise Accelerator and Beaver County Marcellus Awareness Committee.
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[EVDL] EVLN: Google is registered as a car company> auton nEVs
http://ecomento.com/2015/08/10/google-auto-registered-automobile-manufacturer/ Google Auto is a registered automobile manufacturer August 10, 2015 | The Guardian takes delivering the news seriously. Using the California Public Records Act, it has obtained documentation showing that Google Auto, LLC was formed in 2011 and is named as the manufacturer of all 23 autonomous Lexus cars registered with California’s department of motor vehicles. It is also registered with national and international organisations as a passenger vehicle manufacturer and was licensed last year as a car maker in California. In May, 2014, Chris Urmson was appointed manager of Google Auto, taking control of day-to-day operations of the company. The very next day, Google announced that it was going to build 100 prototype self-driving electric cars from scratch, without steering wheels, accelerators or brake pedals. California officials balked at the absence of those essentials, so Google Auto agreed to add them in, even though they never plan to use them. Google Auto has applied for the international vehicle identification number (VIN) codes that will identify each new self-driving car, just like any other production vehicle. It has notified the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration the cars it makes are exempt from the majority of safety standards and crash testing requirements because they are low speed vehicles (LSVs) that can go no faster than 25 mph. Also according to The Guardian, Google Auto’s filings with NHTSA indicate the cars have a lithium-ion battery. They use a fairly small 30 kilowatt electric motor to drive the rear wheels and each wheel has its own braking system. All the cars built so far have been assembled on the outskirts of Detroit by Roush, Google’s manufacturing partner. Umson tells NHTSA, “Google Auto LLC has not offered any of its LSVs for sale, and it does not plan to do so.” But that doesn’t mean they won’t do so in the future. In fact, the company has been openly courting the world’s major manufacturers. Urmson was busy at the North American Auto Show last January, where he announced talks with General Motors, Ford, Toyota, Daimler and Volkswagen were taking place. In March, he told USA Today: “Making cars is really hard, and the car companies are quite good at it. So, in my mind, the solution is to find a partnership.” Will Google Auto ever build an autonomous driving car of its own for sale to the public? Sebastian Thrun, the computer scientist and engineer who launched Google’s self-driving car project says, “The ambition for Google is always to go all the way [from research] to product.” [© ecomento.com] http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/01/google-auto-car-making-company How Google quietly revved up its very own car company Mark Harris 1 August 2015 [image / Tony Avelar/AP http://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/8a3bfda47d3d97a0055f6c7338ea2e81320e246a/0_60_4208_2527/master/4208.jpg?w=620&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=1d5a63d80fba0e27071e351d8a9f680d In this 13 May 2015 photo, Google’s self-driving Lexus (ice) car drives along street during a demonstration at Google campus in Mountain View, California ] Documents obtained by the Guardian reveal the tech giant created Google Auto LLC to help develop its self-driving cars even as it courted big car makers Google has set up its own car company. The tech giant has flirted with major car firms as it explores driverless cars but has also quietly set up its own auto company, according to documents obtained by the Guardian. Google Auto LLC is headed by Chris Urmson, project lead for Google’s self-driving cars. Urmson has been on a charm offensive with the world’s biggest automobile manufacturers. At the North American International Auto Show in January, Urmson announced talks with General Motors, Ford, Toyota, Daimler and Volkswagen. In March, he told USA Today: “Making cars is really hard, and the car companies are quite good at it. So, in my mind, the solution is to find a partnership.” To date, no such partnership has emerged. That might be because Google already has its very own car maker in Google Auto. The company is registered with national and international organisations as a passenger vehicle manufacturer, and was licensed last year as a car maker in California. Google declined to comment on this story. Documents obtained by the Guardian under a Public Records Act request in California show that Google Auto was formed as a limited liability company in late 2011. Initially, Google used it to modify and test the fleet of driverless Lexus SUVs that succeeded the company’s first self-driving Prius saloons. Google Auto is named as the manufacturer of all 23 autonomous Lexus cars registered with California’s department of motor vehicles, including all the vehicles involved in a recent spate of minor accidents in and around Google’s home town of Mountain View. Although no lawsuits have been filed regarding these accidents, it’s c
[EVDL] EVLN: Students.fr 20k-km €84k bangkok.th->toulouse.fr e-tuk roadtrip
http://www.gizmag.com/pilgreens-electric-tuk-tuk-travel/38857/ The Pilgreens embark on electric tuk-tuk odyssey to promote green mobility By Spiros Tsantilas - August 10, 2015 [images http://images.gizmag.com/hero/pilgreens-electric-tuk-tuk-tra...@2x.jpg The green tuk-tuk will take The Pilgreens on an epic journey solely relying on electric power (Credit: The Pilgreens) http://images.gizmag.com/inline/pilgreens-electric-tuk-tuk-trave...@2x.jpg Karen, Remy and Ludwig, from left to right, pose with their adventure-ready tuk-tuk http://images.gizmag.com/inline/pilgreens-electric-tuk-tuk-trave...@2x.jpg (map) http://www.gizmag.com/pilgreens-electric-tuk-tuk-travel/38857/pictures gallery: In its free time in Bangkok the green tuk-tuk occasionally doubled as a free school shuttle service Traveling across the Northern Hemisphere in autumn means there's a good chance for wet weather The fitting of the two giant batteries and some more preparation work was undertaken by the Tuk Tuk Factory in Thailand video flash ] Three French students will travel from Bangkok, Thailand to Toulouse, France on an electric tuk-tuk in an effort to demonstrate that electric power will be sufficient for our future mobility needs. They plan to cover 20,000 km (12,427 mi) through 16 countries in 120 days on their modified three wheeler relying on two giant batteries, a solar panel and the generosity of strangers. Karen Koulakian, Ludwig Merz and Rémy Fernandes-Dandré are three International Management students at the University of Toulouse who want to bring attention to the dangers of climate change. Their collective idea culminated to The Pilgreens initiative, which was officially formed in January 2015. Since then they have managed to buy a brand new electric Limo model from the Tuk Tuk Factory, outfit it with two massive batteries specially ordered from China, cover the roof with solar panels and complete all the necessary technical preparations for the adventure that lies ahead. On Sunday, August 10 the three friends embarked on their electric odyssey with hopes of reaching France in time for the COP 2015 Climate Change Conference in Paris on November 30. The Pilgreens’ cause is a pilgrimage to clean energy, the promotion of a foreseeable future where electricity will be the dominant power source of choice for our global mobility needs. The project is expected to cost around €60,000 (US$66,000), including €24,000 (US$26,500) for the vehicle and batteries. In the few months since January, the team has managed to cover most of their projected expenses through sponsorships and a Ulule crowdfunding campaign. They have attracted a wide range of benefactors, from government institutions and universities to private companies and individual pledges. After the adventurous travel showcase follows an ambitious and detailed business plan, according to which The Pilgreens plan to evolve into a legal entity in 2016, working as ambassadors for the expansion of green mobility to developing countries. This first trip, called the Catalyzing Project, will be much more than an epic journey. The three travelers aim to investigate specific countries on their path, namely Thailand, Laos, China, Kazakhstan, Russia, Armenia, Georgia, Turkey, Bulgaria and Serbia. The research will focus on identifying the needs for mobility with the scope for compiling future proposals related to electric mobility in these countries. Their findings will provide the basis for a research study supported by the Universities of Toulouse and Mahidol called "The Perception of Electric Mobility in Developing Countries." The next step in the business plan involves mediation work as management consultants for the proliferation of green mobility, while in the longer run the non-government organization aspires to financially support selected projects. The long journey to Toulouse will also be filmed as a documentary focusing on interactions with the local populations and their perceptions of electric mobility. "From China to Austria, we'll film our encounters with people, and we'll film their reactions when we'll ask them for a plug to recharge our tuk-tuk," explain The Pilgreens. "We'll also film ourselves when the tuk-tuk will unexpectedly break down in some hell hole where it might also take us two days to find any signs of human life (ok, we hope this doesn't happen, but for the sake of our audience...). We'll film people and communities whose lives can be improved with the help of electric mobility. Think of young kids who could attend school because they can ride an electric bike and save a two-hour walk every day." If you would like to support The Pilgreens’ cause you can do so by following the relevant links in their official website via the source link below. For starters, you can get to know them a little better through their official video presentation below. [© gizmag.com] ... http://www.the-pilgreens.com/ The Pilgreens For EVLN post
[EVDL] EVLN: Uruguayan capital's taxi fleet gets its first electric cars
% These are likely BYD EVs %
http://www.laprensasa.com/309_america-in-english/3281352_uruguayan-capital-s-taxi-fleet-gets-first-electric-cars.html
Uruguayan capital's taxi fleet gets first electric cars
jim/mc | 15 de Agosto de 2015
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Four electric cars have been incorporated for the first time into this
capital's taxi fleet, part of the Uruguayan government's efforts to promote
renewable energies. EFE
]
Montevideo, Aug 15 (EFE).- Four electric cars have been incorporated for the
first time into this capital's taxi fleet, part of the Uruguayan
government's efforts to promote renewable energies.
The transportation sector accounts for 29 percent of the country's energy
consumption, Industry, Energy and Mining Minister Carolina Cosse said,
adding that studies by her portfolio indicate that by 2030 40 percent of the
public-transport fleet - and 60 percent of taxis - will be powered by
renewable energy sources.
The vehicles, unveiled Friday at an event at the Montevideo provincial
government headquarters, have a range of 350 kilometers (217 miles) on a
single two-hour charge and do not emit carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas.
Their soundless engines also will help improve noise pollution in the city.
The province, most of which is covered by the capital city, plans to issue
up to 50 new electric taxi permits.
Their $60,000 cost will be half that of permits for traditional cabs, an
incentive that Montevideo Gov. Daniel Martinez said will remain in place
until a "significant number" of these vehicles are on the roads.
For its part, the state-owned power company, UTE, will provide a $5,000
credit to taxi drivers who buy the permit, as well as get them connected to
the electric grid and install chargers in their homes free of charge.
UTE also plans to build a charging station in the Montevideo metro area so
drivers do not need to return home to charge their vehicles.
Besides the environmental benefits, the operating cost of electric vehicles
is roughly 15 percent that of a gasoline-driven cars.
Montevideo's provincial government said the city is joining regional
pioneers in the use of electric vehicles for public transport, such as
Santiago, Sao Paulo, Bogota and Mexico City. EFE
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EVLN: BYD K9 Electric bus for Uruguay’s public transport fleet
50 Electric taxis will ply Uruguayan capital streets
Uruguay’s Public Transport Goes Electric
Mar 27, 2014
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EVLN: BYD to finalize US plant location by April 2013
... plans to add 8,000 energy buses and 15,000 electric taxis to its fleet
in the next three to five years.
Jan 13, 2013
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EVLN: Europe-made 12m BYD Electric Bus Contract
... has been rolling out a wide range of pure-electric vehicles, including
buses and taxis, all as part of its Green City Solutions program. In China,
there are already over 1,000 such buses and in the first quarter of 2013 the
BYD ebus obtained full European certifications. This allowed the company
to...
Jul 22, 2013
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EVLN: USA made BYD K9 Electric buses
... electric taxis to its fleet in the next three to five years. Dec 20,
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