Re: [EVDL] Electronics help anyone

[Bill Dube via EV]

You're going to roll your eyes when I suggest this, but you will thank 
me later when you do this simple project using one:


Run the gauge with an Arduino. The version you will need costs maybe $20 
and will do this job simply and easily.


Once you get a single project working using an Ardunio, (which will take 
a bit of work on your part at first) you will be amazed how easy it is 
to use and how many little projects will be simplified by using one.


1) Get this book and kit: https://www.sparkfun.com/sylviakit (Book is 
written by a 12 year old girl.)

2) Read the book.
3) Do the simple programs and experiments with the kit that the book 
tells you, step-by-step, _exactly_ how to do. (This book assumes you 
know _nothing._)
4) Write a simple custom program for the board (or look up a program for 
the board on line and simply download it) that solves this particular 
problem.

5) Install the board in your car, connect it up, and you are done.

You can get a much smaller, cheaper, specialized Arduino to do this 
specific job, but the more generic Arduino "Uno" in the kit will work.


There are Arduino's _everywhere_. For example, our Taz 5 3D printer that 
has all sorts of things happening at once, like three axis motion 
control, two temperature controls, a variable speed fan, a digital 
display, a digital knob that controls a menu on the display, reads 
commands from a computer via USB or runs commands from an SD card, plus 
things I have forgotten, runs it all _simultaneously_ on an Arduino 
board that costs about $80.


Trust me, if you do this you will be astounded at how simple the whole 
thing has become and will never look back.


Bill Dube'





On 10/25/2016 2:05 PM, Rick Beebe via EV wrote:

I have a 1998 Ford Ranger (http://evalbum.com/4674) that I bought as a
lead-acid EV and converted it to Lithium. In the process I replaced
almost everything. I bought an AutoblockAMP from RechargeCar (sadly,
discontinued). It's a slick hall-effect current sensor that measures
current and counts amp-hours. It outputs a pulsed signal to show amps on
a tach (works great). It has another line that puts out 12v to light up
a "low battery" light at some specified threshold and a third one that,
I believe, uses PWM to ground to simulate a variable resister to drive
the fuel gauge to show SOC.

I have the service manual for the truck and indeed it shows a single
wire from the gauge to the sensor in the tank. 22ohms empty and 240ohms
full (that's from memory so don't quote me). The problem is it doesn't
work. Connecting that wire to ground through any resistance does
nothing. The engine computer (PCM) was removed during the initial
conversion. The fuel sensor wire also went to the PCM but I don't see
anything in the wiring diagram that should influence the gauge. What I
have discovered is that I can make the gauge work by supplying voltage
rather than a connection to ground. 2volts is empty and 9volts is full.

I haven't got a clue as to the piece of magic that the PCM (or some
other wire) must have provided such that the gauge is now "backwards."
So I've tried seeing if I can convert the AutoblockAMP signal. My first
attempt was to use it as 1/2 of a voltage divider and that sort-of
worked except for finding the right value to drive the gauge full scale.
Plus  if, while I'm adjusting the ABAMP and I get too close to one end
of the scale the resister burns up. My second attempt, thinking it was a
PWM signal, was to use a PNP mosfet. That looked promising but isn't
driving the gauge linearly enough. It goes from full to empty in the
first quarter of the SOC.

So I'm looking for ideas. Any thoughts?

--Rick

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Re: [EVDL] Smart Car Conversion Kits?

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On 25 Oct 2016 at 6:22, paul dove via EV wrote:

> Yes but was it a reliable source?

Good question.  I saw it quoted somewhere and have been trying to trace it 
back to the source.  I hit a dead end at edmunds.com. Looking there I find 
not the 2/3 figure, but an even worse one -- 72.5%.   

Important distinction though: the Edmunds article is referring not to just 
EVs, but also to hybrids.  Absent any further elucidation on their part, I 
take that as all types including those which don't plug in and use only 
liquid fuel (gasoline/petrol).   

They lump these all together as "alt-fuel," which is bogus unless you 
somehow consider "not coal" or "not wood" an alternative fuel.   

That puts things in a different perspective.  For your average vehicle 
buyer, it doesn't take much effort or commitment to switch to a "hybrid" 
which acts just like a conventional car except that it uses less fuel and 
doesn't idle when stopped.

So, fuel prices have gone down, and folks who bought (probably mostly) 
Toyota Prii when fuel prices were higher are switching back to -- it turns 
out -- by and large, small SUVs.  Big deal.   

More: Edmunds doesn't cite their sources, which makes me a little suspicious 
of this number.

So on further research and reflection I have to conclude that there's 
probably nothing much to see here.  

If you'd like to read the original article, search for "Hybrid and EV 
Loyalty Plunges Due to Low Gas Prices."

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[EVDL] Thanks for the Smart ED, iMiEV and Leaf Info

[Mark Hanson via EV]

Thanks Cor, Dave etc for the thoughtful Smart, iMiEV and Leaf info.  

 

Since I already have a Leaf (like it very much but my son latched onto it
and would like a smaller commuter car) when I replace my Karmann Ghia EV
next month I'll probably buy a iMiEV since I see online service manuals
available, individual battery monitoring and the same 100K 8 year battery
warranty like the Leaf has (also saw a few Chevy Spark compliance cars but
little support).  It looks like according to www.batteryuniversity.com that
both vehicles(Leaf & iMiEV) use the NMC nickel- manganese- cobalt cathode
with lithium substrate and carbon anode by LG Chem? I think the 2016 Smart
will too.  So the iMiEV should have similar life and both air cooled not
complicated water cooled like the Smart ED.  I drove a Smart ED and really
liked the car but if I can't service it (or get it serviced for a reasonable
price) then it's a no-go.  I wish Swatch kept it or sold through another
company other than Mercedes Benz (most MB wheeler-dealers hate the car - low
profits), rather sell $70K foo-foo Mercedes (like the dealer here in
Roanoke, VA).  I'd take the Smart (convert) plunge if someone made a motor
adapter and had a manual transmission but the one's I've seen (ICE) have a
crappy auto tranny.  I saw an 05' conversion on www.evalbum.com but looks
like he spent considerable time and money on it (like my conversion $25K).
I'm looking at a iMiEV 2014 5K miles for $9K ...  Still hard to sell my
conversion - since it'll probably be the last car I'll convert, doesn't make
sense to convert anymore though.

Mark

 


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Hi folks (original message)

I was wondering if it makes sense to convert a Smart Car and does anyone
know of a good conversion kit?  The problem with the Smart ED as I was
looking at a used 2014 is they want a $80 monthly battery rental fee for ten
years or $9600 on top of the car price. Also there is *no* service manual
available from Mercedes.  I called several Smart dealers and they said their
service department can't even get a service manual.  Also I can't find any
way to monitor the individual cells like my Leaf or iMiev   And If you buy
the battery for an additional $5k the warranty is only 4 years and 50k
miles. Battery replacement cost is $29k verified at several dealers.  The
Leaf and iMiev are 100k 8 year warranty and the Leaf is $5.5k to replace and
the iMiev is about $12k a dealer said.  I'm thinking of selling my Ghia
www.evalbum.com/4346 and buying a used iMiev or Smart ED. I already have a
Leaf that my son drives mostly and both EVs are charged from the sun. 

Have a renewable energy day

Mark

 

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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 14:08:47 -0700

From: Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>

To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>

Subject: Re: [EVDL] Smart Car Conversion Kits?

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Everything screams to me that the Smart is a nice car for Leasing but stay
away if you want to buy! Every car is going to be an orphan as soon as you
buy it and it has very limited space so unless you are lucky with the car
and the battery and nothing breaks - it appears that you are on your own or
have to fork over whatever ransom Mercedes asks to work on the car for you.

For proof, look at the unrealistic battery price, it is several times more
than the cost of the battery, so why bother if there are so many better
alternatives?

I love my Leaf so much, I now have two. Since I need space to work on my
electric truck, I am going to sell one. It has some damage but hardly
noticeable and does not affect the operation at all. Good battery, still has
12 bars though I suspect will lose bar 12 soon. Car is a 2011 Leaf SV,
battery has lived in Washington until 3 months ago when it moved to
California, that is why it still has good capacity. Send me an email if you
are interested.

 

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Have a renewable energy day,

 

Mark

 

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[EVDL] Electronics help anyone

[Rick Beebe via EV]

I have a 1998 Ford Ranger (http://evalbum.com/4674) that I bought as a
lead-acid EV and converted it to Lithium. In the process I replaced
almost everything. I bought an AutoblockAMP from RechargeCar (sadly,
discontinued). It's a slick hall-effect current sensor that measures
current and counts amp-hours. It outputs a pulsed signal to show amps on
a tach (works great). It has another line that puts out 12v to light up
a "low battery" light at some specified threshold and a third one that,
I believe, uses PWM to ground to simulate a variable resister to drive
the fuel gauge to show SOC.

I have the service manual for the truck and indeed it shows a single
wire from the gauge to the sensor in the tank. 22ohms empty and 240ohms
full (that's from memory so don't quote me). The problem is it doesn't
work. Connecting that wire to ground through any resistance does
nothing. The engine computer (PCM) was removed during the initial
conversion. The fuel sensor wire also went to the PCM but I don't see
anything in the wiring diagram that should influence the gauge. What I
have discovered is that I can make the gauge work by supplying voltage
rather than a connection to ground. 2volts is empty and 9volts is full.

I haven't got a clue as to the piece of magic that the PCM (or some
other wire) must have provided such that the gauge is now "backwards."
So I've tried seeing if I can convert the AutoblockAMP signal. My first
attempt was to use it as 1/2 of a voltage divider and that sort-of
worked except for finding the right value to drive the gauge full scale.
Plus  if, while I'm adjusting the ABAMP and I get too close to one end
of the scale the resister burns up. My second attempt, thinking it was a
PWM signal, was to use a PNP mosfet. That looked promising but isn't
driving the gauge linearly enough. It goes from full to empty in the
first quarter of the SOC.

So I'm looking for ideas. Any thoughts?

--Rick

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Re: [EVDL] Smart Car Conversion Kits?

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

Someone must have put a light body on a VW pan.  If you skip the transmission 
using hub motors possibly 4 3000 watt units I suspect you could have a very 
functional and long range EV on a small pack.  Total weight though has to be 
near 1000 pounds.  Lawrence Rhodes
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[EVDL] EV sales?

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

> I read an interesting and discouraging statistic recently: two-thirds
> of EV owners who trade in their cars replace them with ICEVs.

Could it have been on Fox or Washington Times?

> It's also not too promising a sign for the future of EVs.

Which is why it was probably written by some shill of the fossil fuel
industry.  Remember, they have the largest wealth of any sector on the
planet and they have the most to lose when EV's explode onto the market.
And they or investing in misinformation to protect their dwindling future.

Bob
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Re: [EVDL] Smart Car Conversion Kits?

[Gary Krysztopik via EV]

Maybe first gen Leaf's with 80 mile range is marginal for most.  New EV's
with 200 miles range will certainly meet more peoples needs and comfort
"range".

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Re: [EVDL] Smart Car Conversion Kits?

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

I'd like to know the source of that statistic.  I remember seeing a 90% EV
satisfaction and Repurchase which is the highest of all cars.

Bob


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On 25 Oct 2016 at 0:12, via EV wrote:

> What I had in batteries would buy a used Leaf now with low miles and
> 12 bars. At least here in Seattle.

Used Leaves are indeed going for unsettlingly low prices.

I read an interesting and discouraging statistic recently: two-thirds of
EV owners who trade in their cars replace them with ICEVs.  That may be
one reason that there's such a glut of used Leaves on the market (which in
turn is why they're so cheap).  It's also not too promising a sign for the
future of EVs.

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Re: [EVDL] Smart Car Conversion Kits?

[paul dove via EV]

Yes but was it a reliable source? Seems new EV sales are up this year!

http://www.fleetcarma.com/ev-sales-usa-2016-half-year/

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>> What I had in batteries would buy a used Leaf now with low miles and 12
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> Used Leaves are indeed going for unsettlingly low prices.
> 
> I read an interesting and discouraging statistic recently: two-thirds of EV 
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161025

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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-GM-Korea-unexpectedly-unveiled-Bolt-EV-in-Seoul-kr-auton-Bolt-Lyft-in-2019-td4684181.html
EVLN: GM Korea (unexpectedly) unveiled Bolt EV in Seoul.kr, auton Bolt,Lyft
in 2019
Korean motorists will have a chance to peek at the Chevrolet Bolt electric
vehicle (EV) before its official launch slated in the United States later
this year as GM ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-1B-Daimler-investment-in-SK-Innovation-li-ion-EV-packs-td4684180.html
EVLN: $1B Daimler investment in SK Innovation li-ion EV packs
SK Innovation Likely to Supply More EV Battery Cells to Daimler AG
Daimler AG will invest one billion euros in order to enhance its
competitiveness as an electric vehicle manufacturer, which is likely to give
benefits to the battery ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-25k-Atticus-Robocar-r-93mi-ts-70mph-td4684179.html
EVLN: $25k Atticus Robocar r:93mi ts:70mph
Atticus Motors is the latest EV startup with big dreams
A Brazilian-American engineer is crafting an electric vehicle out of his
garage that he says will eventually be fully autonomous as well as one of
the safest ...

+
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CA Low-Income Electrified Rebates Raised by $500, High-Income Earners
Ineligible
Beginning Nov. 1, low-income residents of California will receive EV rebate
increases of $500 when purchasing or leasing a battery electric, plug-in
hybrid or ...




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Re: [EVDL] Smart Car Conversion Kits?

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

 These low prices are helping get EVs in the hands of folks that are currently 
driving some of the dirtiest cars.
Here low income folks can get cash to retire their polluters, and get extra 
cash to purchase a cleaner one. The amounts that intimately get paid can allow 
these folks to purchase the early used Leafs.
Battery electrics are still in the early innings, and don't make sense for 
everyone. But with greater choices coming out in the market, the future is 
bright for EVs of all types - in my opinion of course.


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On 25 Oct 2016 at 0:12, via EV wrote: 
 
> What I had in batteries would buy a used Leaf now with low miles and 12 
> bars. At least here in Seattle.  
 
Used Leaves are indeed going for unsettlingly low prices. 
 
I read an interesting and discouraging statistic recently: two-thirds of EV  
owners who trade in their cars replace them with ICEVs.  That may be one  
reason that there's such a glut of used Leaves on the market (which in turn  
is why they're so cheap).  It's also not too promising a sign for the future  
of EVs. 
 
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