[EVDL] (lurker) Verne enjoys the EVDL: Video with new music.

2017-02-16 Thread brucedp5 via EV 

I find it good to hear from someone that is where I likely will be in a few
years.
Currently, I only have one 100% eye, the other has solar-macular
degeneration from my Vietnam era military service (it has a dead spot in the
vision's center where the back of the eye was solar damaged). 

At some point in the future, I will lose my sight too. When I do, it is good
to know that like Verne, I will still be able to read the text of the EVDL
posts ...

[ https://www.google.com/search?q=screen+readers+blind
Screen readers are software programs that allow blind or visually impaired
users to read the text that is displayed on the computer screen with a
speech synthesizer or braille display. A screen reader is the interface
between the computer's operating system, its applications, and the user ...
]

 ... though I doubt I will be able to continue to do the EV news searches I
currently do. I am sure there will be new-blood to take the baton and carry
on the good EV-cause fight.




For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: 
http://evdl.org/evln/


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[EVDL] FW: Video with new music.

2017-02-16 Thread George Tyler via EV 
Verne has problem posting on here, although I set up an account for him some
years ago. He is blind, so working a computer is not as easy as for sighted
people. You can see him in this video.

 

From: verne.pavr...@gmail.com [mailto:verne.pavr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 16 February, 2017 7:04 PM
To: George Tyler
Subject: Fw: Video with new music.

 

Hi   George 

 

How is this draft.

I'd love you to post it to EVDL and find out what they think.  If you do,
please tell them I'm a keen EVDL watcher.

 

Cheers   Verne.

 

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From: Ian Stewart   

To: verne.pavr...@gmail.com 

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:49 PM

Subject: Video with new music.

 

Hi Verne,

 

The link to the quad cycle movie with Scott Joplin's "The Entertainer" music
from 1902.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKEoWzh0e6g

 

 

cheers,

Ian.

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Re: [EVDL] Any truth in these claims?

2017-02-16 Thread George Tyler via EV 
Some time ago I discussed a system on here this was similar in a way, trying to 
reduce the number of cells. I talkinged about going all the way, ONE cell. 
10,000 Amps at 4V for an exercise. There are fets now that are 1mOhm or below, 
I had many phases in my proposal, so does this. Many phases will be on at the 
same time, so effectively in parallel. The fact that they talk of 45 phases 
makes me reluctance to call "scam!", It may be real.


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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV
Sent: 17 February, 2017 4:47 AM
To: Matthew Quitter; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Any truth in these claims?

I'm skeptical. At 48 volts, you would either need lots of systems working in 
parallel, each with their own motor or you would need cables the size of a 
bench press world champion's arms. The voltage that various EV manufacturers 
choose has nothing to do with the source of electricity (it has everything to 
do with the losses due to high current), so you have to figure that they aren't 
telling the complete story.

They don't mention anything about sitting on a stack of hydrogen tanks or where 
the hydrogen comes from, either.

Peri

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Sent: 16-Feb-17 7:36:29 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Any truth in these claims?

>Found on social media today... sounds somewhat fantastic in both senses 
>of the word.
>
>Headline:
>300 km/h in The World’s First Electric Sports Car with 48 V Low-Voltage 
>Flow Cell Drive
>
>First para:
>It took a long time. The development team at nanoFlowcell Holdings had 
>worked for several years to make fuel cells directly controllable.
>Having
>finally succeeded in achieving direct variable control of a fuel cell 
>in October 2016, the company now wants to demonstrate the potential of 
>direct fuel cell drive and has built a true eye-catcher in the shape of 
>the world's fastest eco sports car. The QUANT 48VOLT is the prototype 
>of a new generation of electric vehicles. It is equipped with what is 
>currently the safest, most powerful, environmentally compatible and 
>economical drive system for electric vehicles that could be built in 
>series production, and provides a view of our future mobility.
>
>http://emagazine.nanoflowcell.com/technology/300-kmh-in-the-worlds-firs
>t-electric-sports-car-with-48-v-low-voltage-flow-cell-drive/
>
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Re: [EVDL] Generator?

2017-02-16 Thread George Tyler via EV 
there are many ways to do it, in the one George Spratt did he did not use
any of the original computers, just a starter motor and a 3 PH bridge on the
MG to provide DC. I don't really know which way would be best at the moment.
The Prius engine is very efficient, and that is past of the reason for the
low fuel consumption. Narrow piston rings and bearing shells etc to reduce
friction 13.5 to one compression etc. Also the "miller cycle" so you can
reduce output power by changing the inlet valve timing, this, together with
the 16 valve setup can almost eliminate pumping loss to give diesel like
economy. You could take out either MG1 or MG2. and some of the mechanics to
reduce weight. The engine it's self is the same as the NHW20, it's just used
at lower revs and the "gearbox" is very similar too, only reason for using
the NHW10 is that I have a couple, and they are available here very cheap.
You could use a NHW11 in USA. The NHW20 has the DC-DC converter which could
make it easier to match the MG output voltage to the EV's battery voltage.
What car do you have in mind?

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Cor van de Water
via EV
Sent: 17 February, 2017 9:00 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Generator?

The Prius is not the first vehicle I would consider for this, but if you are
going down this track then there are a couple remarks / additions /
questions:

- Are you suggesting to essentially do the "pusher-trailer" by using the
motive (front wheel drive) power from the Prius? If that is the case then
the optoin to generate electricity and recharge the EV pack is just an
additional benefit, not the main feature of the trailer, since you can use
the trailer to maintain speed and only use the EV power to accelerate.

- you will have to keep a 300V (273.6V nominal) battery pack, which is not
the strong point especially of the NHW-10 with its D-cell stacks.

- if your EV pack is close enough to the 300V of the Prius, you might
consider hooking it up instead of the Prius pack and add a resistor divider
array (19 resistors) to keep the Prius BMS happy if needed to keep the Prius
going. Added benefit could be that the Prius will maintain (charge) the EV
pack if indeed close enough in voltage, but even a low lower voltage can be
used to allow the Prius to start its engine, my NHW-11 still made attempts
to start the engine at 150V battery voltage.

If you are unable to use the EV pack or simply don't want the direct EV
battery connection to cross over the hitch, you can still consider running a
charger off the Prius pack and use it to re-charge the EV while driving.

The interesting thing is that Prius has electronic throttle control and
accelerator pedal sensor, no direct linkage. So controlling it from the
pulling vehicle is a lot simpler.

If you are after an efficient pusher-trailer then even getting a cheap
(crashed) NHW-20 (2004+) should be considered. They do not even run the
engine until you press the accelerator or there is a need (battery
charging) so you can have it sit "idle" with the engine off until you need
the pusher trailer to start moving and simply pushing the accelerator will
start the engine and get you going!

Cor van de Water
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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of George Tyler via EV
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:22 AM
To: 'paul dove'; 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Generator?

Verne Pavreal asked me to post this: Some time ago he and I were discussing
a range extender generator for an electric Nissan NV200 van he wanted to
buy, came up with the idea of using the front end of a Toyota NHW10 Prius, I
have a few. A friend of both of us in Auckland, George Spratt, has used a
Prius engine/ gearbox on a trailer to extend the range. He tested it against
a Honda inverter/generator (the most efficient he found) and got similar
consumption, so it's probably as good as you can get. George Sprat runs it
on wood gas now. 
Lots of advantages, plenty of power, it's all there, trailer built
in. It could either be a pusher trailer or take out the drive mechanicals
and it's just a generator, or could be both. All the engine electronics is
there too! Depending on which way you go, you may need a starter motor:
there are other cars that are not hybrid that use the same block, so you can
get the starter from one of those like George Sprat has done.

Re: [EVDL] Ryobi RM480e 38 in. Battery Electric Riding Lawn Mower

2017-02-16 Thread Jay Summet via EV 
Just in case anybody is interested in buying an electric ride on mower, 
I looked up the prices:


The Home Depot Ryobi RM480e has a cost of $2,500,
and the Mean Green Nemesis has a MSRP of $8,999.

Both of which are a bit too pricey for me. (Think I'll buy a used leaf 
before the Nemesis.)


Jay

On 02/16/2017 01:25 AM, ken via EV wrote:

Far as I can tell this is a Lead Sled. It has really nice features.

made in china 

 
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-RM480e-38-in-Battery-Electric-Riding-Lawn-Mower-RY48110/300246266

http://www.meangreenproducts.com/ride-on-ztrs/

made in america !!  Very high quality...

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Re: [EVDL] Generator?

2017-02-16 Thread Cor van de Water via EV 
The Prius is not the first vehicle I would consider for this, but if you
are going down this track then there are a couple remarks / additions /
questions:

- Are you suggesting to essentially do the "pusher-trailer" by using the
motive (front wheel drive) power from the Prius? If that is the case
then the optoin to generate electricity and recharge the EV pack is just
an additional benefit, not the main feature of the trailer, since you
can use the trailer to maintain speed and only use the EV power to
accelerate.

- you will have to keep a 300V (273.6V nominal) battery pack, which is
not the strong point especially of the NHW-10 with its D-cell stacks.

- if your EV pack is close enough to the 300V of the Prius, you might
consider hooking it up instead of the Prius pack and add a resistor
divider array (19 resistors) to keep the Prius BMS happy if needed to
keep the Prius going. Added benefit could be that the Prius will
maintain (charge) the EV pack if indeed close enough in voltage, but
even a low lower voltage can be used to allow the Prius to start its
engine, my NHW-11 still made attempts to start the engine at 150V
battery voltage.

If you are unable to use the EV pack or simply don't want the direct EV
battery connection to cross over the hitch, you can still consider
running a charger off the Prius pack and use it to re-charge the EV
while driving.

The interesting thing is that Prius has electronic throttle control and
accelerator pedal sensor, no direct linkage. So controlling it from the
pulling vehicle is a lot simpler.

If you are after an efficient pusher-trailer then even getting a cheap
(crashed) NHW-20 (2004+) should be considered. They do not even run the
engine until you press the accelerator or there is a need (battery
charging) so you can have it sit "idle" with the engine off until you
need the pusher trailer to start moving and simply pushing the
accelerator will start the engine and get you going!

Cor van de Water 
Chief Scientist 
Proxim Wireless 
  
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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of George Tyler
via EV
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:22 AM
To: 'paul dove'; 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Generator?

Verne Pavreal asked me to post this: Some time ago he and I were
discussing
a range extender generator for an electric Nissan NV200 van he wanted to
buy, came up with the idea of using the front end of a Toyota NHW10
Prius, I
have a few. A friend of both of us in Auckland, George Spratt, has used
a
Prius engine/ gearbox on a trailer to extend the range. He tested it
against
a Honda inverter/generator (the most efficient he found) and got similar
consumption, so it's probably as good as you can get. George Sprat runs
it
on wood gas now. 
Lots of advantages, plenty of power, it's all there, trailer
built
in. It could either be a pusher trailer or take out the drive
mechanicals
and it's just a generator, or could be both. All the engine electronics
is
there too! Depending on which way you go, you may need a starter motor:
there are other cars that are not hybrid that use the same block, so you
can
get the starter from one of those like George Sprat has done. Engine
produces 40kw, but you may have to use both MG's to send all this to the
batteries. If you use a lot less you can set the valve timing to
optimize
consumption.

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of paul dove via
EV
Sent: 16 February, 2017 5:03 AM
To: EVDL Administrator; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Generator?

Alan Cocconi designed the EV1 electronics for GM.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 13, 2017, at 12:33 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
 wrote:
> 
> The most efficient EV APU I know of was the "Long Ranger" trailer Alan

> Cocconi built for his Honda Civic hatchback EV about 2 decades ago.  
> He used a (Kawasaki?) motorcycle engine.
> 
> http://www.evdl.org/docs/acp_lr.pdf
> 
> I'm not sure the gadget advertised in the flyer linked above is the 
> same as the one Cocconi actually used to drive his Honda EV all over 
> the US.  It says it generates 9kW and "extend[s the] range by 200 
> miles per 5 gallon tank of fuel."
> 
> That would be 40mpg, but I recall reading that the one Cocconi 
> actually used with his Honda, which AFAIK actually could keep up with 
> the EV's energy use on the highway, got a real world highway mpg of
32.
> 
> For direct comparison, a similar Honda Civic VX or

Re: [EVDL] Generator?

2017-02-16 Thread George Tyler via EV 
Verne Pavreal asked me to post this: Some time ago he and I were discussing
a range extender generator for an electric Nissan NV200 van he wanted to
buy, came up with the idea of using the front end of a Toyota NHW10 Prius, I
have a few. A friend of both of us in Auckland, George Spratt, has used a
Prius engine/ gearbox on a trailer to extend the range. He tested it against
a Honda inverter/generator (the most efficient he found) and got similar
consumption, so it's probably as good as you can get. George Sprat runs it
on wood gas now. 
Lots of advantages, plenty of power, it's all there, trailer built
in. It could either be a pusher trailer or take out the drive mechanicals
and it's just a generator, or could be both. All the engine electronics is
there too! Depending on which way you go, you may need a starter motor:
there are other cars that are not hybrid that use the same block, so you can
get the starter from one of those like George Sprat has done. Engine
produces 40kw, but you may have to use both MG's to send all this to the
batteries. If you use a lot less you can set the valve timing to optimize
consumption.

-Original Message-
From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of paul dove via EV
Sent: 16 February, 2017 5:03 AM
To: EVDL Administrator; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Generator?

Alan Cocconi designed the EV1 electronics for GM.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 13, 2017, at 12:33 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
 wrote:
> 
> The most efficient EV APU I know of was the "Long Ranger" trailer Alan 
> Cocconi built for his Honda Civic hatchback EV about 2 decades ago.  
> He used a (Kawasaki?) motorcycle engine.
> 
> http://www.evdl.org/docs/acp_lr.pdf
> 
> I'm not sure the gadget advertised in the flyer linked above is the 
> same as the one Cocconi actually used to drive his Honda EV all over 
> the US.  It says it generates 9kW and "extend[s the] range by 200 
> miles per 5 gallon tank of fuel."
> 
> That would be 40mpg, but I recall reading that the one Cocconi 
> actually used with his Honda, which AFAIK actually could keep up with 
> the EV's energy use on the highway, got a real world highway mpg of 32.
> 
> For direct comparison, a similar Honda Civic VX or HF hatchback of 
> about the same vintage got real world highway mpg in the 48-56 range.
> 
> I don't think I ever read anything about exhaust emissions from 
> Cocconi's APU.  Anyone know how regulated motorcycle emissions were in the
mid-1990s?
> 
> Cocconi was (presumably still is) a genius engineer.  I don't know 
> about your engineering background, but I know for sure that I 
> personally could never cook up something even that efficient and reliable
in my garage.
> 
> Apparently building an APU isn't quite as simple as just chucking a 
> genset in the back and plugging your EV's charger into it.  We've had 
> quite a few discussions of fueled APUs on the EVDL over the years, and 
> I recall reading reports of burned-out gensets, chargers, even
controllers.  Be careful.
> 
> Honestly, I think you'll get better results overall by just keeping an 
> ICEV in the garage for long trips -- or renting one when you need it.  
> Or you could just buy yourself a Chevrolet Volt. Be aware that the 
> Volt's mpg in "charge sustaining" mode is decent but not all that 
> impressive.  EPA says 37mpg, and owners seem to get around 34-35.
> 
> But if you're in it for the technical challenge, I guarantee that 
> building and integrating your own fueled APU will give you  plenty of
that!
> 
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] Ryobi RM480e 38 in. Battery Electric Riding Lawn Mower

2017-02-16 Thread Chris Meier via EV 
Wheelchair batteries. 
LPC12-75.
-- 
-Chris

On February 16, 2017 12:25:00 AM CST, ken via EV  wrote:
>Far as I can tell this is a Lead Sled. It has really nice features.
>
>made in china 
>
>http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-RM480e-38-in-Battery-Electric-Riding-Lawn-Mower-RY48110/300246266
>
>http://www.meangreenproducts.com/ride-on-ztrs/
>
>made in america !!  Very high quality...
>
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Re: [EVDL] Any truth in these claims?

2017-02-16 Thread Thos True via EV 
As much as I  want to hear more positive news about new and exciting ideas
about increasing efficiency and reducing our impact on the planet,  it
pains me to continue to waste time and energy on technologies that have
been been debunked exhaustively over and over again.
Gotta give the old boys points for tenacity though

-Tom

On Feb 16, 2017 9:51 AM, "Cor van de Water via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:

> Before we get too deep into the fantasy world of
> how-to-get-new-investors for cases where the science is too good to be
> true (literally) and thus you need inexperienced investors and slick
> publications with big difficult sounding words all the while solving
> non-existent problems, to focus away from the real problem that you are
> not solving Here is a discussion on TeslaMotorsClub about the car
> and the person.
> I could give you a piece of my mind about the technology and claims as I
> found them on their website, but I am not going to bother to spill more
> words on this apparent fraudster.
>
> https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/nanoflowcell-quant-quantino.2823
> 9/
>
>
> Cor van de Water
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> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman
> via EV
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:47 AM
> To: Matthew Quitter; Electric Vehicle DiscussionList
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Any truth in these claims?
>
> I'm skeptical. At 48 volts, you would either need lots of systems
> working in parallel, each with their own motor or you would need cables
> the size of a bench press world champion's arms. The voltage that
> various EV manufacturers choose has nothing to do with the source of
> electricity (it has everything to do with the losses due to high
> current), so you have to figure that they aren't telling the complete
> story.
>
> They don't mention anything about sitting on a stack of hydrogen tanks
> or where the hydrogen comes from, either.
>
> Peri
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Matthew Quitter via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> Cc:
> Sent: 16-Feb-17 7:36:29 AM
> Subject: [EVDL] Any truth in these claims?
>
> >Found on social media today... sounds somewhat fantastic in both senses
>
> >of
> >the word.
> >
> >Headline:
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> >Flow Cell Drive
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> >First para:
> >It took a long time. The development team at nanoFlowcell Holdings had
> >worked for several years to make fuel cells directly controllable.
> >Having
> >finally succeeded in achieving direct variable control of a fuel cell
> >in
> >October 2016, the company now wants to demonstrate the potential of
> >direct
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> >world's fastest eco sports car. The QUANT 48VOLT is the prototype of a
> >new
> >generation of electric vehicles. It is equipped with what is currently
> >the
> >safest, most powerful, environmentally compatible and economical drive
> >system for electric vehicles that could be built in series production,
> >and
> >provides a view of our future mobility.
> >
> >http://emagazine.nanoflowcell.com/technology/300-kmh-in-the-worlds-firs
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Re: [EVDL] Any truth in these claims?

2017-02-16 Thread Cor van de Water via EV 
Before we get too deep into the fantasy world of
how-to-get-new-investors for cases where the science is too good to be
true (literally) and thus you need inexperienced investors and slick
publications with big difficult sounding words all the while solving
non-existent problems, to focus away from the real problem that you are
not solving Here is a discussion on TeslaMotorsClub about the car
and the person.
I could give you a piece of my mind about the technology and claims as I
found them on their website, but I am not going to bother to spill more
words on this apparent fraudster.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/nanoflowcell-quant-quantino.2823
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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman
via EV
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:47 AM
To: Matthew Quitter; Electric Vehicle DiscussionList
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Any truth in these claims?

I'm skeptical. At 48 volts, you would either need lots of systems 
working in parallel, each with their own motor or you would need cables 
the size of a bench press world champion's arms. The voltage that 
various EV manufacturers choose has nothing to do with the source of 
electricity (it has everything to do with the losses due to high 
current), so you have to figure that they aren't telling the complete 
story.

They don't mention anything about sitting on a stack of hydrogen tanks 
or where the hydrogen comes from, either.

Peri

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Cc:
Sent: 16-Feb-17 7:36:29 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Any truth in these claims?

>Found on social media today... sounds somewhat fantastic in both senses

>of
>the word.
>
>Headline:
>300 km/h in The World's First Electric Sports Car with 48 V Low-Voltage
>Flow Cell Drive
>
>First para:
>It took a long time. The development team at nanoFlowcell Holdings had
>worked for several years to make fuel cells directly controllable. 
>Having
>finally succeeded in achieving direct variable control of a fuel cell 
>in
>October 2016, the company now wants to demonstrate the potential of 
>direct
>fuel cell drive and has built a true eye-catcher in the shape of the
>world's fastest eco sports car. The QUANT 48VOLT is the prototype of a 
>new
>generation of electric vehicles. It is equipped with what is currently 
>the
>safest, most powerful, environmentally compatible and economical drive
>system for electric vehicles that could be built in series production, 
>and
>provides a view of our future mobility.
>
>http://emagazine.nanoflowcell.com/technology/300-kmh-in-the-worlds-firs
t-electric-sports-car-with-48-v-low-voltage-flow-cell-drive/
>
>
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[EVDL] Any truth in these claims?

2017-02-16 Thread Matthew Quitter via EV 
Found on social media today... sounds somewhat fantastic in both senses of
the word.

Headline:
300 km/h in The World’s First Electric Sports Car with 48 V Low-Voltage
Flow Cell Drive

First para:
It took a long time. The development team at nanoFlowcell Holdings had
worked for several years to make fuel cells directly controllable. Having
finally succeeded in achieving direct variable control of a fuel cell in
October 2016, the company now wants to demonstrate the potential of direct
fuel cell drive and has built a true eye-catcher in the shape of the
world's fastest eco sports car. The QUANT 48VOLT is the prototype of a new
generation of electric vehicles. It is equipped with what is currently the
safest, most powerful, environmentally compatible and economical drive
system for electric vehicles that could be built in series production, and
provides a view of our future mobility.

http://emagazine.nanoflowcell.com/technology/300-kmh-in-the-worlds-first-electric-sports-car-with-48-v-low-voltage-flow-cell-drive/


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Re: [EVDL] EV Travel Tailer?

2017-02-16 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV 
Did you run the trailer tires at max safe pressure?
Bob

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On 02/15/2017 05:49 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> I know an EV is not designed to pull a travel trailer.
> But this very expensive tear-drop design claims 25% the towing drag of
> a conventional tailer.
>
> http://www.safaricondo.com/pdf/alto_en.pdf

In 2013, shortly after I bought my Tesla, I bought one of these:
http://retrorideteardrops.com/
At that time, I had no faith that the SuperCharger system would be built
out as it has and I wanted to be able to tour the country and be
comfortable while waiting out RV park charges.  This teardrop was the most
attractively priced at the time.  Others were typically up to $10k and
mine was about $4k.  I ended up going to Wisconsin (from Texas) to pick it
up.  At that time, there were no SuperChargers between Corsicana Texas and
Normal Illinois.  Between those two SuperChargers, about three RV park
charges were required going up.  Quite a few photos are posted on that
trip:
  https://plus.google.com/102434734002949174273
WAY down the list.

My plans came to nothing for two reasons:
1) The SuperCharger network WAS built out.  Much to my glee.
2) The trailer sucked more energy than I imagined.  The range was up to
250 miles without the trailer and about 150 with the trailer; nearly twice
the number of charging stops were required.  I looked into LRR tires and
found none in the size to fit the wheels.  I did not get so far as to shop
for replacement wheels.

The trailer did serve it's purpose well, mostly on the trip back from
Wisconsin.  The trip back required about six RV park stops.  I would plug
the trailer into the 120vac outlets provided at RV parks and run an
electric heater and computer stuff.  And sleep comfortably.  I had done
quite a bit of sleeping in the car on other trips; hence the stimulation
to get the trailer.  I did much of my Google+ posting for that trip from
wifi at RV parks.  As well as email, etc.

Tesla power for pulling the trailer is way more than sufficient.  I did
tend to go as slow as possible to conserve energy.  50-60 mph, generally.

I have pulled other trailers with both my Leaf and imievs.  Up to 1500
pounds.  The hitches available for those cars are rated for 2000 pounds.
  Power on all EVs has been fine.  With low trailers, less than 1000
pounds, on the imievs, extra energy loss is barely noticeable.  Some imiev
trailer pulling photos can be found at the above Google+ URL.  The
teardrop is supposed to weight about 800 pounds as configured (without
battery, spare, air conditioner, etc.

Incidentally, I just returned from a Big Bend trip.  Will probably make
another post on it here.  If there is any interest.  Short story: It is
possible/likely I am the first EV visitor to the park.

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Re: [EVDL] Sevcon 48V DC Battery Charger manual/ parallel charging

2017-02-16 Thread Dan Baker via EV 
Hey Lee,
You were definitely right, I hooked the 2 chargers up-no explosions or
smoke, just 34 amps of charge!  Definitely has been handy the last couple
storms where I have gone out 4-5 times per storm to continue clearing.  One
sevcon will change the status LED from red to yellow before the other so
I'm assuming that's the second stage beginning.  I usually pull the cord to
one then and let the other finish up if I have time.
Much thanks for your help!

Cheers
Dan

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Lee Hart via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

> Cruisin via EV wrote:
>
>> If the chargers are not isolated you will destroy everything when conned
>> in
>> parallel.
>>
>
> Good point! Some chargers aren't isolated.
>
> But Sevcon chargers are all isolated.
>
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Re: [EVDL] Sevcon 48V DC Battery Charger manual/ parallel charging

2017-02-16 Thread Dan Baker via EV 
Hey Lee

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Lee Hart via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

> Cruisin via EV wrote:
>
>> If the chargers are not isolated you will destroy everything when conned
>> in
>> parallel.
>>
>
> Good point! Some chargers aren't isolated.
>
> But Sevcon chargers are all isolated.
>
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Re: [EVDL] EV Travel Tailer?

2017-02-16 Thread Willie via EV 



On 02/15/2017 05:49 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:

I know an EV is not designed to pull a travel trailer.
But this very expensive tear-drop design claims 25% the towing drag of a
conventional tailer.

http://www.safaricondo.com/pdf/alto_en.pdf


In 2013, shortly after I bought my Tesla, I bought one of these:
http://retrorideteardrops.com/
At that time, I had no faith that the SuperCharger system would be built 
out as it has and I wanted to be able to tour the country and be 
comfortable while waiting out RV park charges.  This teardrop was the 
most attractively priced at the time.  Others were typically up to $10k 
and mine was about $4k.  I ended up going to Wisconsin (from Texas) to 
pick it up.  At that time, there were no SuperChargers between Corsicana 
Texas and Normal Illinois.  Between those two SuperChargers, about three 
RV park charges were required going up.  Quite a few photos are posted 
on that trip:

 https://plus.google.com/102434734002949174273
WAY down the list.

My plans came to nothing for two reasons:
1) The SuperCharger network WAS built out.  Much to my glee.
2) The trailer sucked more energy than I imagined.  The range was up to 
250 miles without the trailer and about 150 with the trailer; nearly 
twice the number of charging stops were required.  I looked into LRR 
tires and found none in the size to fit the wheels.  I did not get so 
far as to shop for replacement wheels.


The trailer did serve it's purpose well, mostly on the trip back from 
Wisconsin.  The trip back required about six RV park stops.  I would 
plug the trailer into the 120vac outlets provided at RV parks and run an 
electric heater and computer stuff.  And sleep comfortably.  I had done 
quite a bit of sleeping in the car on other trips; hence the stimulation 
to get the trailer.  I did much of my Google+ posting for that trip from 
wifi at RV parks.  As well as email, etc.


Tesla power for pulling the trailer is way more than sufficient.  I did 
tend to go as slow as possible to conserve energy.  50-60 mph, generally.


I have pulled other trailers with both my Leaf and imievs.  Up to 1500 
pounds.  The hitches available for those cars are rated for 2000 pounds. 
 Power on all EVs has been fine.  With low trailers, less than 1000 
pounds, on the imievs, extra energy loss is barely noticeable.  Some 
imiev trailer pulling photos can be found at the above Google+ URL.  The 
teardrop is supposed to weight about 800 pounds as configured (without 
battery, spare, air conditioner, etc.


Incidentally, I just returned from a Big Bend trip.  Will probably make 
another post on it here.  If there is any interest.  Short story: It is 
possible/likely I am the first EV visitor to the park.


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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20170216

2017-02-16 Thread brucedp5 via EV 


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-35k-Euro-Focus-Electric-upgraded-to-33-5kWh-pack-amp-225km-range-td4685787.html
EVLN: €35k Euro Focus-Electric upgraded to 33.5kWh pack& 225km range
Ford wants to focus on smaller, lighter, and cheaper battery packs ... 
range of the Focus EV increases by 63 kilometers (39 miles) to a total of
225 km (140 miles). What's more ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-2017-Nissan-Leaf-gt-touted-as-the-Every-Day-Electric-Car-v-td4685786.html
EVLN: 2017 Nissan Leaf> touted as the Every Day Electric Car (v)
The new 2017 Nissan Leaf comes with a hefty price tag, and with small
changes than the previous model. It has out of date electric vehicle ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Throwback-Thursday-1967-gt-The-future-of-electric-cars-and-the-Ford-Comuta-concept-td4685785.html
EVLN: Throwback Thursday 1967> The future of electric cars and the Ford
Comuta concept
Our thoughts from 1967 on Ford's tiny Comuta electric concept car, the ... I
would argue the resulting list would go something like this: Electric ...

+
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVent-Visitors-will-learn-about-EVs-2017-Canadian-International-AutoShow-td4685784.html
EVent: Visitors will learn about EVs @2017 Canadian International AutoShow
Canadian International AutoShow shines light on innovations in ...
“A lot of drivers are curious about electric vehicles, but they'd like to
learn more about them before deciding whether they want to buy one. The
experts we'll have ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVents-ALA-amp-Clean-Cities-Host-Midwest-EVOLVE-gt-Promoting-EVs-in-the-Midwest-us-td4685783.html
EVents: ALA& Clean-Cities Host Midwest EVOLVE> Promoting EVs in the
Midwest.us
Multi-State Campaign Launches to Promote EVs in the Midwest
The American Lung Association of the Upper Midwest has announced the launch
of Midwest EVOLVE, a three-year project to promote electric vehicles (EVs)
in ...




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