Re: [EVDL] 85 Year Old Uncle Worked 30+ Years on EV, Needs Help
Paul, The controller may be perfectly fine. If there is no voltage on points L3, L5 and L7 *in reference to traction battery negative* then fuse 3 (15 amps) is blown or a mis-wiring has happened, because only fuse 3 and the key switch are between L3 and battery positive. This discussion list is actually hosting a library with EV component manuals. The list of controller manuals can be found here: http://www.evdl.org/lib/index.html#cont For the description that you gave, I looked at page 3 of: http://www.evdl.org/docs/ev1_op_maint.pdf but there are many more documents of the EV-1 controller available as well. Let us know if you need more help. Cor. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of ptandjb via EV Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 5:28 AM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: ptandjb Subject: [EVDL] 85 Year Old Uncle Worked 30+ Years on EV, Needs Help I have also posted on diyelectriccar.com but no response yet, I am trying to help my 85 year old uncle realize one of his bucket list items while there is still time, to drive this car at least once. He has been working for over 30 years to slowly build an electric car using the GE EV1-B controller that he purchased in 1984. The car chassis was hand built: [img]http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/carfront0491.JPG[/img] [img]http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/carside0490.JPG[/img] It was finally finished recently and is in a machine shop in Ludlow Massachusetts. When we attempted to power it for the first time it failed. Overview of controller assembly: [img]http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/EV1fullview0483.JPG[/img] [img]http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/EV1closeup0485.JPG[/img] I have attempted to study the schematics and all available documentation. In my distant past I have a degree in electrical engineering so I should technically understand all documentation and pretty much understand how things should work. Using the “General Electric EV-! B, C, D Panel Replacement parts Lists and Troubleshooting/Tune-Up Instructions” manual, I noted that with SEAT and BRAKE switches bypassed and KEY, FWD, and ACCEL switches appropriately set per 3rd bullet point in Symptom section 1B there is not BV at L3, L5, and L7, just minimal voltage. It appears but not confirmed that the new never used but 30+ year old EV1-B controller is defective and am at a loss on how to proceed. Any advice would be appreciated. Paul -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] 85 Year Old Uncle Worked 30+ Years on EV, Needs Help
I have also posted on diyelectriccar.com but no response yet, I am trying to help my 85 year old uncle realize one of his bucket list items while there is still time, to drive this car at least once. He has been working for over 30 years to slowly build an electric car using the GE EV1-B controller that he purchased in 1984. The car chassis was hand built: [img]http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/carfront0491.JPG[/img] [img]http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/carside0490.JPG[/img] It was finally finished recently and is in a machine shop in Ludlow Massachusetts. When we attempted to power it for the first time it failed. Overview of controller assembly: [img]http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/EV1fullview0483.JPG[/img] [img]http://ptandjb.com/eddiesEV1/EV1closeup0485.JPG[/img] I have attempted to study the schematics and all available documentation. In my distant past I have a degree in electrical engineering so I should technically understand all documentation and pretty much understand how things should work. Using the “General Electric EV-! B, C, D Panel Replacement parts Lists and Troubleshooting/Tune-Up Instructions” manual, I noted that with SEAT and BRAKE switches bypassed and KEY, FWD, and ACCEL switches appropriately set per 3rd bullet point in Symptom section 1B there is not BV at L3, L5, and L7, just minimal voltage. It appears but not confirmed that the new never used but 30+ year old EV1-B controller is defective and am at a loss on how to proceed. Any advice would be appreciated. Paul -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20171020
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-SF-Motors-acquires-EV-battery-module-startup-InEVit-tp4688287.html
EVLN: SF Motors acquires EV battery module startup InEVit
SF Motors, a Silicon Valley electric vehicle (EV) company, today announced
the acquisition of InEVit, an electric vehicle (EV) battery modularization
startup ...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Better-Ways-To-Get-Needed-Lithium-lilacsolutions-com-pr-tp4688286.html
EVLN: Better Ways To Get Needed Lithium> (lilacsolutions.com pr)
We Need A Better Way To Get Lithium, The Element Powering The EV ...
Current methods of extracting the element–the key ingredient in lithium-ion
batteries–destroy landscapes and take two years to complete ...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tata-Electric-bus-pilot-runs-in-Guwahati-in-tp4688285.html
EVLN: Tata Electric bus pilot-runs in Guwahati.in
Tata Motors electric bus commences pilot-runs in Guwahati
This trial is in continuation to the successful trial of the 9 meters
electric bus from ... EV battery pack is optimized for providing no
compromise on the passenger ...
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Media's li-ion battery scare, airlines warned> no laptops-in-checked-bags
Laptops in checked bags pose fire, explosion risk, US says
The U.S. government is urging the world airline community to ban ... Laptops
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EVent: SMUD EV test drives @Sacramento-CA International Auto Show
Electric Vehicles Featured at Sac International Auto Show
Show attendees will have the opportunity to ask questions of SMUD and SacEV
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[EVDL] EVLN: SF Motors acquires EV battery module startup InEVit
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2017/10/16/467543.htm
Liberty Mutual Insurance Tailors Policy for Tesla Electric Car Drivers in
U.S.
October 16, 2017 Anne Riley Moffat
Tesla Inc. is partnering with Liberty Mutual Insurance Co. to offer an
auto-insurance plan designed specifically for its electric cars in the U.S.
The plan made available to U.S. customers starting Friday is similar to what
Tesla owners have been offered in almost 20 countries. Among other benefits,
Liberty will offer to replace damaged Teslas that are deemed a total loss
within the first year, according to the automaker’s website.
A Tesla spokesman confirmed the U.S. launch and declined to comment further.
The launch of InsureMyTesla in the U.S. comes after Chief Executive Officer
Elon Musk took issue with reports earlier this year that insurer AAA was
raising rates to insure Tesla vehicles in some markets, citing high claim
frequencies and costs. Musk disputed the insurer’s analysis, saying during
Tesla’s annual meeting in June that the automaker’s own internal study
showed the average cost of insuring a Model S or Model X was about 5 percent
lower than for other premium vehicles.
If a Tesla driver’s insurance goes up, “there is a simple solution,” Musk
said. “Change your insurance provider.”
Electrek reported on the insurance plan earlier Friday.
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Tesla co-founder Martin Eberhard’s new EV startup is acquired by SF Motors
Oct. 19th 2017 Tesla co-founder Martin Eberhard's new EV startup is
acquired by SF Motors ... which apparently will aim to supply electric
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[EVDL] EVLN: Better Ways To Get Needed Lithium> (lilacsolutions.com pr)
https://www.fastcompany.com/40479657/we-need-a-better-way-to-get-lithium-the-element-powering-the-ev-revolution We Need A Better Way To Get Lithium, The Element Powering The EV Revolution 10.16.17 Eillie Anzilotti [images https://assets.fastcompany.com/image/upload/w_707,ar_16:9,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best,fl_lossy/wp-cms/uploads/2017/10/poster-lithium-lilac-process.jpg “If we want to keep accelerating the growth of electric cars, we’re going to need new supplies of lithium, and new ways of accessing them.” / AIZAR RALDES /Getty https://assets.fastcompany.com/image/upload/w_596,c_limit,q_auto:best,f_auto,fl_lossy/wp-cms/uploads/2017/10/conventional-process.jpg https://assets.fastcompany.com/image/upload/w_596,c_limit,q_auto:best,f_auto,fl_lossy/wp-cms/uploads/2017/10/Lilac-process.jpg https://assets.fastcompany.com/image/upload/w_596,c_limit,q_auto:best,f_auto,fl_lossy/wp-cms/uploads/2017/10/process-comparison-2.jpg ] Current methods of extracting the element–the key ingredient in lithium-ion batteries–destroy landscapes and take two years to complete. The startup Lilac says it has developed a new process that’s both much faster and more sustainable. Electric vehicles make up just 1% of the car market today, but by 2040, experts are predicting half of all cars sold will be electric. Volvo has pledged to only manufacture EVs or hybrids from 2019 on; Volkswagen wants to release 30 new EV models by 2030. What’s really holding them back for the time being is price, mainly due to the lithium-ion batteries necessary to power them. But as manufacturers like Tesla, whose Nevada-based Gigafactory will produce 35 gigawatt-hours of batteries each year by 2020, begin to scale up EV battery production, their costs will fall. But as the EV battery industry balloons, it raises a question: How will it get its hands on enough lithium to maintain demand? Lithium, the crucial ingredient in lithium-ion batteries, is a naturally occurring element found primarily in the brine of the salt flats of South America, China, and the United States. Traditionally, extracting lithium from the flats involves transferring brine to massive aboveground ponds; once the water evaporates out, the lithium is chemically separated from the salt, which is left out on in the landscape in quantities large enough to become toxic to plants and animals. The whole extraction process takes around two years, only captures around 50% of the lithium present, and drains already-dry landscapes of water. As the battery industry expands, it can’t afford to continue to degrade the environment to extract this element, nor can it afford to lose half of the available lithium in the process. The resource is not infinite, and as more and more of it is pulled from the land, it’s becoming increasingly difficult for mining companies to locate lithium-rich areas from which to extract the element. Lilac Solutions, a startup founded in 2015 by Dave Snydacker, a PhD in materials science and engineering, has developed a method of extracting lithium that the company says takes just around a day, but uses 90% less water than traditional methods, and captures 80% of the lithium present in the brine. “If we want to keep accelerating the growth of electric cars, we’re going to need new supplies of lithium, and new ways of accessing them,” Snydacker tells Fast Company. Instead of evaporating the brine in large pools, Lilac’s method involves pumping the brine from the salt flats into a large water tank filled with lithium-absorbent beads engineered by Snydacker and his team. These beads contain proprietary ion-exchange materials that Snydacker and his coworkers discovered while working toward his doctorate at Northwestern University. The beads essentially release lithium from the brine, allowing it to be collected directly from the tanks as the leftover brine is pumped back into the salt flats. This method, Snydacker says, both preserves the integrity of the landscape (in comparison to the evaporation ponds, which can stretch as far as two square miles), and allows mining companies to extract lithium from salt flats that may not be as lithium-rich as those in places like South America; the low capture rate of the evaporation method has previously made extracting in other regions economically unviable. The startup is still in the early days, but this year, it was awarded a $150,000 Phase 1 Small Business Innovation Research grant from the Department of Energy, and was selected as one of three sustainability-focused startups to join the first cohort of EQ Ventures, a new accelerator launched over the summer at Creating Equilibrium, a Lake Tahoe, California-based innovation forum. The accelerator seeks out startups “that are really creating a new market,” says founder Robert Suarez, a veteran of the design company Ideo. “What Dave is doing with Lilac is taking something that’s incredibly complex and inefficient–the way we extract lithium–and making it simpler and
[EVDL] EVLN: Tata Electric bus pilot-runs in Guwahati.in
https://www.indiablooms.com/ibns_new/finance-details/7977/tata-motors-electric-bus-commences-pilot-runs-in-guwahati.html
Tata Motors electric bus commences pilot-runs in Guwahati
16 Oct 2017
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Guwahati/ Kolkata, Oct 16 (IBNS): Tata Motors on Monday commenced trials of
its 9 meters electric bus in Guwahati.
With a seating capacity of 26-34 passengers, the full-auto transmission Tata
Ultra ELECTRIC 9m bus was flagged off by Anand Prakash Tiwari, Managing
Director, Assam State Transport Corporation (ASTC).
ASTC in collaboration with Tata Motors will do this trial for seven days and
will offer free transport service to the participants of FIFA team and
devotees from Plantan Bazar to Maa Kamakhya Temple.
This trial is in continuation to the successful trial of the 9 meters
electric bus from Parwanoo to Shimla a few months ago, where the bus
performed exceedingly well covering a distance of 160 kms in one full
charge. The trials in Chandigarh also showed very encouraging results in a
running of 143 kms, covering approximately 70% of the charge.
These trials are a part of the Ministry of Road Transport’s agenda for the
electrification of public transport, for which Tata Motors is getting ready
with its range of electric vehicles, from 9 meters and 12 meters with
various seating configurations, as well as its last mile passenger transport
vehicle, the Tata Magic Iris.
AK Jindal, Head, Engineering Research Centre, Tata Motors said, “With
increasing focus of automotive industry and government towards
electrification of automobiles, Tata Motors has been continuously pushing
the boundaries in the electric mobility space and is the first company in
country to get ARAI and homologation certification for their 9 meter and 12
meter electric bus. These buses qualify for the subsidy under revised FAME
scheme which will give a big boost to the electrification of public
transport."
"We have conducted trials all across the country to understand the local
city requirements and fine-tune to bus specifications to offer most
economical mobility solution and we have been receiving positive response to
our trails. Such pilot runs in various pockets of the country stand
testimony to our commitment of providing electrification solutions in India.
Tata Motors is also working with various study groups formed by the central
government to work out various business models for operating electric
vehicles and to optimize the overall economics of these buses, for a truly
MAKE IN INDIA solution,” said he.
Tata Motors has been at the forefront of hybridization and electrification
of passenger transportation and has developed technologies of Hybrid and
Electric vehicles. With regard to alternative fuel technology, Tata Motors
offers a range of vehicles ...
The Electric vehicle developed on proven bus platforms provides excellent
driveability and restart gradeability along with regenerative braking which
recovers between 25 to 35% of the brake energy. The electric buses are
equipped with a highly efficient drive train and weight optimized battery,
coupled with Tata Motors proprietary energy management system and vehicle
control strategy for a low Total Cost of Ownership.
EV battery pack is optimized for providing no compromise on the passenger
capacity proving the best efficiency in Kwhr/km. The EV battery is liquid
cooled and specially designed for Indian temperature condition thus
providing a higher battery life along with highly efficient performance. The
roof mounted battery provides safety from water logging of electrical
equipment. The range of the buses can be enhanced with smaller battery pack
to 200 to 240 km with opportunity charging. The Electric Bus is also loaded
with all modern features such as Multiplex wiring system, automatic
ticketing / Smart Card enabled system, ITS enabled and Reverse camera assist
etc. which can be fitted on customer request.
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[EVDL] EVent: SMUD EV test drives @Sacramento-CA International Auto Show
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Electric Vehicles Featured at Sac International Auto Show
2017-10-20
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SMUD is letting people test drive electric vehicles at the Sac International
Auto Show this weekend at Cal Expo. @kfbk @SMUDUpdates
11:05 AM - Oct 20, 2017 · Sacramento, CA
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SMUD is hosting an electric vehicle (EV) showcase at this weekend’s
Sacramento International Auto Show at Cal Expo. The event will feature
approximately 10 electric vehicles from manufacturers such as Tesla, BMW,
Nissan, Ford and Chevrolet.
Show attendees will have the opportunity to ask questions of SMUD and SacEV
electric vehicle experts and learn more about what it’s like to own and
drive an EV in the Sacramento region.
SMUD's Jonathon Tudor says people who've never driven an electric car will
get their chance to ride and drive.
"So you come in and fill out a little paperwork, show us your drivers
license and you can actually drive the vehicle of your choice to kind of see
what it's like," Tudor said.
Tudor says one of the common questions they get is about vehicle range.
"The cars are able to go a lot further than they used to go. The Chevy Bolt
can go 200 miles on a single charge."
Attendees will also have a chance to enter to win a free two-year lease on a
Nissan LEAF.
[© 2017 iHeartMedia]
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October 20, 21, & 22, 2017 | Cal Expo
Friday 10-9 • Saturday 10-8 • Sunday 10-6
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1600 Exposition Blvd, Sacramento, CA 95815 (map)
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Admission prices (Per Day):
General admission at door for Adults 18+ – $13
Military/Seniors (65+) & Students with ID – $9
Kids 13-17 yrs. – $7
Kids 8-12 yrs.– $5
Kids 7 & under – FREE
Sunday is Family Day and all kids 16 and under are admitted free with paying
adult
Parking is $10.00 (Parking fee directed by Cal Expo). The first 100 to
arrive each day will park for free - $10 value).
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20171019
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-s-dual-connector-charge-ports-can-use-more-than-one-charging-standard-tp4688281.html
EVLN: Tesla’s dual connector charge ports> can use more than one charging
standard
Currently, the charge port on all Tesla vehicles is located within the tail
light on the ... an updated Model S and Model X design featuring a new dual
connector charge port system to support more than one charging standard on
its electric vehicles ...
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EVLN: Auton Bolt EVs deployed in lower Manhattan-NY
GM to Test fleet of Electric Cars In New York
GM will deploy a fleet of self-driving Chevrolet Bolt electric cars early
next year in a 5-square-mile section of lower Manhattan that engineers are
mapping ...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Bloomberg-sez-auton-EVs-require-a-lot-of-power-v-tp4688279.html
EVLN: Bloomberg sez auton EVs require a lot of power (v)
Self-driving systems need lots of power. So do EV motors. That's a ...
With the coming autonomous future, it's also taken for granted that cars
will all be electric or hybrid by then -- Tesla's semi-autonomous Autopilot
system is ...
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19yrold crashes Tesla-S EV into Austrian concrete barrier> sparked fiery
inferno
Terrifying Tesla video shows unstoppable electric car inferno that ...
A BLAZING Tesla has sparked electric car safety fears after firefighters
battled to extinguish the inferno. The Model S was engulfed in flames after
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[EVDL] EVLN: Tesla’s dual connector charge ports> can use more than one charging standard
https://electrek.co/2017/10/16/tesla-new-dual-charge-port-design-model-s-model-x/
Tesla unveils new dual connector charge port design for Model S and Model X
Oct. 16th 2017 Fred Lambert
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Tesla unveiled today an updated Model S and Model X design featuring a new
dual connector charge port system to support more than one charging standard
on its electric vehicles.
Currently, the charge port on all Tesla vehicles is located within the tail
light on the driver’s side, but the actual connectors are different
depending on the market.
In the US and Canada, it features Tesla’s own proprietary connector and in
Europe, the company uses the standard Mennekes plug.
In China, Tesla was using the same charging system as the one it uses in
Europe until now.
As the electric vehicle industry is maturing, automakers and charging
network operators are trying to work together on open charging standards
while adapting to specific requirements in different markets.
Tesla’s new dual connector charge port design appears to be the company’s
solution to navigate those markets starting with China.
The Chinese government developed its own charging standard ‘GB’ and now
Tesla has the standard built into its cars ...
In order to fit both connectors, Tesla had to move the charge port from the
backlight (top right in the right picture), which makes it looks more like a
gas tank access design than what Tesla was aiming for with its original
design ...
Tesla has been building an extensive charging network in China and this is
not changing anything about Tesla’s own Supercharger effort, but it will
enable an easier access for Tesla owners to the growing public charging
network in the country.
China has a new ZEV mandate to deploy 5 million EVs by 2020 and to support
that, the government will deploy itself 12,000 new charging stations across
the country. They are also working on an incentive plan for EV buyers to
install home charging stations – they are planning to unlock $20 billion in
financing for 4.8 million residential charging stations.
Those stations need to work with their new national charging standard, which
likely drove this move from Tesla. Last year, Tesla also launched ‘Tesla
Charging Partner Program’ in China to promote the national EV charging
standard.
Electrek’s Take
While we are only seeing this from Tesla in China for now, we expect that
the solution could end up being used in other markets too.
China has its own standard plug, but companies everywhere else are adopting
the CCS standard. Last year, Tesla joined the CharIN organization as a core
member to promote the CCS standard, but we have yet to see any
implementations in the company’s product line.
Current Chinese Tesla owners will still have access to the public charging
stations thanks to a new free adapter for the GB plug.
Tesla could always go the same route with adapters for CCS, but if this
design change on its Chinese vehicles is an indication, it looks like Tesla
could bring the same design to support CCS directly in its other markets.
Either way, we are seeing more support for charging standards and access to
more charging stations, which can only be good for EV enthusiasts.
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[EVDL] EVLN: Auton Bolt EVs deployed in lower Manhattan-NY
http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2017/10/17/gm-to-test-fleet-electric-cars-in-new-york.html GM to test fleet of self-driving cars in New York October 17, 2017 Mike Colias and Tim Higgins Dow Jones Newswires [image / Steve Fecht for General Motors http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-business/features/2017/10/17/gm-to-test-fleet-electric-cars-in-new-york/_jcr_content/par/featured-media/media-0.img.jpg/932/470/1508335997057.jpg?ve=1=1 General Motors announces Tuesday, June 13, 2017, the company has completed production of 130 Chevrolet Bolt EV test vehicles equipped with its next generation of self-driving technology at its Orion Assembly Plant in Orion Township, Michigan. The vehicles will join the more than 50 current-generation self-driving Bolt EVs already deployed in testing fleets in San Francisco; Scottsdale, Arizona; and metro Detroit ] General Motors Co. (GM) plans to become the first company to test self-driving cars in New York City, a move aimed at asserting leadership in the race to develop autonomous cars and a potentially important step toward commercializing the technology. GM will deploy a fleet of self-driving Chevrolet Bolt electric cars early next year in a 5-square-mile section of lower Manhattan that engineers are mapping, said Kyle Vogt, chief executive of Cruise Automation, the driverless-car developer GM acquired last year. The move could be seen as a threat to the thousands of taxi drivers piloting yellow cabs around New York, as autonomous robot-taxis operated by GM and its rivals are seen eventually displacing human drivers. GM said a safety operator will be at the wheel of each car to gather data and take over if something goes wrong. GM's Cruise operation has been testing more than 100 self-driving Bolts in various markets, but its work in San Francisco is seen as particularly valuable because it offers a congested environment with a high concentration of hairy situations that fully automated cars must learn to navigate. New York will present similar challenges and offer new hurdles, including bad weather and more-aggressive drivers, which will "improve our software at a much faster rate," Mr. Vogt said. "Anyone else who's driven in New York City knows that it's going to present some unique challenges," he said in an interview. Cruise will open a research facility in the city but declined to discuss details. GM is racing to develop vehicles that drive themselves as tech companies try to perfect technology that could shuffle the power players in the auto industry. One-quarter of miles driven in the U.S. by 2030 could be through shared, self-driving vehicles, according to an estimate from the Boston Consulting Group. Most companies have focused testing in Silicon Valley -- 42 companies hold permits to test autonomous vehicles on California's public roads. That includes Google parent Alphabet Inc. through its Waymo unit, which is testing around its corporate campus in suburban Mountain View. It is also scaling up operations in the Phoenix area, where it offers rides to nonemployees in 500 Chrysler minivans, with a safety operator at the wheel. Cruise and other new competitors are making up for lost time against Waymo, which is considered the leader after spending eight years collecting more than 3.5 million autonomous miles in more than 20 cities. GM executives argue that hard-earned city driving is more useful for the car to learn how to handle unusual situations that human drivers take for granted, such as how to handle broken traffic lights at an intersection. For example, Cruise's autonomous Bolts encountered a lane blocked by construction at a rate of 19 times more often in San Francisco than in the Phoenix area, where it is also testing. Executives haven't given a specific time frame, but said they envision an on-demand ride-sharing network in a densely populated area, and that deployment will happen "sooner than people think." In a research note this month, Deutsche Bank analyst Rod Lache said he believes GM could launch a commercial autonomous-ride service -- without anyone at the wheel -- "within the next few quarters, well ahead of competitors." Citing recent briefings with company officials, he thinks GM will offer its own service that could be "highly disruptive" to ride-hailing giants Uber and Lyft Inc. Mr. Vogt wouldn't say whether Cruise's New York testing signals plans to eventually offer an autonomous-car service there. Testing in Manhattan "will be critical to the ultimate success of autonomous vehicles and the compression of the timeline for deployment at scale," he said. GM shares have surged more than 25% in the last two months amid growing buzz around its driverless technology. Several states have passed laws to give autonomous-car developers broad latitude to test their systems on public roads, including California, Michigan and Arizona, betting the technology will someday spawn bigger investments and jobs. New York
[EVDL] EVLN: Bloomberg sez auton EVs require a lot of power (v)
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http://autoweek.com/article/autonomous-cars/brain-drain-autonomous-systems-require-lot-power
Self-driving systems need lots of power. So do EV motors. That's a problem
October 16, 2017 Jay Ramey
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Ford Autonomous Vehicle Testing at Mcity
Ford Media Jun 21, 2017
Ford’s collaboration with the University of Michigan and its Mcity facility
play an important and unique role in our autonomous vehicle testing and
development efforts. The simulated urban environment allows us to safely
test our SAE Level 4-capable autonomous vehicles in scenarios like traffic
in intersections, pedestrians in crosswalks, different traffic signals and
even bicyclists.
] ...
It's taken for granted that the autonomous systems being tested right now
require a lot of computing power, but it's easy to overlook that all of that
computing power comes at a cost of actual electric power. With the coming
autonomous future, it's also taken for granted that cars will all be
electric or hybrid by then -- Tesla's semi-autonomous Autopilot system is
already in a car that's electric -- but much more complex Level 3 through
Level 5 systems will also require a lot more computing power to run, putting
their requirements at odds with the car's own powertrain system.
How much power are we talking about?
Bloomberg says that current prototypes for fully autonomous driving systems
consume the equivalent energy of 50 to 100 laptops, citing supplier
BorgWarner. This translates to 2 to 4 kilowatts of electricity, which in a
modern car makes it 5 to 10 percent more difficult to meet fuel economy and
carbon emission targets.
While this sort of problem can seem to be trivial, or too far in the future,
the factor of an energy drain by all of the sensors and computing power is
not staying still as governments adopt ever more stringent fuel economy
standards. In essence, fuel economy requirements are pulling the engineers
of electric and hybrid cars in one direction, while the race towards greater
automation is pulling energy demands in another direction.
The solution for now, according to experts Bloomberg spoke with, appears to
be gasoline electric hybrids before a big enough breakthrough in battery
technology is achieved that will offer plenty of range and autonomous
functions for pure electric vehicles. Industry observers expect the very
first fully-autonomous cars to be robotaxis rather than commuter cars; te
latter will have the luxury of juicing up while their owners are at work or
at home, while autonomous taxis will be on the road pretty much the whole
time. This means that their energy requirements will easily dwarf those of
smaller privately-owned autonomous cars, and absent a huge gain in battery
storage capacities it's likely that robotaxis will be gas-electric hybrids.
"They're going to favor plug-in hybrid EVs, and they're going to require
that extra gasoline engine, both to extend the range to be able to do a taxi
type of duty cycle, but also to help mitigate the proportion of the
autonomous systems on the battery pack itself," Sam Jaffe, founder of Cairn
Energy Research Advisors told Bloomberg.
For now, automakers like Ford view hybrids as the logical powertrain to be
coupled with autonomous tech, also pointing out that pairing autonomous
systems exclusively with electric cars is restrictive as a business model.
In other words, when it comes to encouraging acceptance of autonomous tech
in the marketplace -- a process that is just getting underway -- pairing
autonomous tech with electric cars introduces an extra hurdle for
automakers. This is why the first truly autonomous cars are likely to be
hybrids even though Tesla's Autopilot can seem like an example of the
opposite trend. The difference, of course, is that Tesla doesn't have the
option of offering a hybrid -- it was an electric car company before it
ventured into autonomous driving systems -- and other automakers are not
likely to go all-electric for some time.
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[EVDL] 19yrold crashes Tesla-S EV into Austrian concrete barrier> sparked fiery inferno
https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/4721171/terrifying-tesla-video-shows-unstoppable-electric-car-inferno-that-took-35-firefighters-to-extinguish/ Welcome to the future Terrifying Tesla video shows unstoppable electric car inferno that took 35 firefighters to extinguish 2017-10-19 Joe Finnerty [images / Feuerwehr-Landeck https://cf-images.eu-west-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/5067014667001/f9e55229-2418-40a1-821a-bfa5d8ce518a/05f5b53f-6330-4f61-aa22-9f938e7f4ee6/1280x720/match/image.jpg Huge blaze is caused by burning lithium-ion battery in Tesla Model S https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/pkw-brand_elektrofahrzeug13.jpg?strip=all=100=960 Crews cut through power cables as detailed in Tesla handbook https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/pkw-brand_elektrofahrzeug14.jpg?strip=all=100=960 Front of the is completely wrecked after high voltage blaze ] A Tesla Model S caught fire after a car crash in Austria and teams of firefighters battled the blaze. But the lithium ion batteries meant the inferno couldn't be tamed until power was cut to the hi-tech motor prompting electric car safety fears A BLAZING Tesla has sparked electric car safety fears after firefighters battled to extinguish the inferno. The Model S was engulfed in flames after its 19-year-old driver crashed into a concrete barrier in Austria. Huge blaze is caused by burning lithium-ion battery in Tesla Model S And fire crews struggled to put out the billowing flames caused by the lithium-ion batteries. Toxic gases released by the burning power packs meant firefighters had to wear special breathing kit to tackle the blaze. And while the driver made it out safely, it took five fire engines, 35 crew members and two hours to finally get the fire under control. The terrifying video shows huge plumes of smoke erupting around the wrecked £50,000 plug-in car as the battery is cooled. Teams of crews tackle the blaze to get it under control WHY IS AN ELECTRIC CAR FIRE SO DIFFICULT TO EXTINGUISH? Tackling a battery fire requires special assistance and "emergency response guides" have been published to help firefighters. Tesla admits battery fires can take 24 hours to fully extinguish and can easily re-ignite. Tesla also details the huge amount of water needed to cool the battery, the position to cut through to stop the power - plus the risk of death in touching the power cables without switching it off first. Sulphuric acid, nickel, lithium, copper and cobalt are all emitted when an electric car goes up in flames making it essential crews have respiratory equipment to hand, too. And Tesla suggests "quarantining" the motor for 48 hours to stop a new fire breaking out. Firefighters are then able to cut through the power supply with a circular saw to prevent a further outbreak. And the shocking damage of the high voltage fire is revealed with the front end of the hi-tech motor completely wrecked. Tesla is aware tackling a battery fire requires special assistance and publishes "emergency response guides" to help firefighters. And it admits battery fires can take 24 hours to fully extinguish and can easily re-ignite. Toxic gases from batteries flood the area It also details the huge amount of water needed to cool the battery, the position to cut through to stop the power - plus the risk of death in touching the power cables without switching it off first. Sulphuric acid, nickel, lithium, copper and cobalt are all emitted when an electric car goes up in flames making it essential crews have respiratory equipment to hand, too. And Tesla suggests "quarantining" the motor for 48 hours to stop a new fire breaking out. A statement from the Landeck fire service - translated from German - said: "The fire fighting - which could only be carried out under severe respiratory protection - was difficult because the vehicle was repeatedly on fire. "It was only after cutting the power supply from the high-performance batteries that it was possible to finally fight the fire. "Since lithium batteries are used, the manufacturer recommends that the vehicle be parked under “quarantine” for 48 hours, so that no new fire can break out." While the Tesla performed as it should by containing the fire just in the battery compartment. The video highlights the potential dangers of millions of electric cars flooding UK roads and the prospect of an uncontrollable blaze breaking out. Tesla issue guidance to fire crews on how to tackle flames [© News Group Newspapers] https://jalopnik.com/watch-volunteer-firefighters-in-austria-extinguish-a-fi-1819665352 Here's What Firefighters Do To Extinguish A Battery Fire … That’s what makes EV fires so … https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Rbvzyxqv--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/ehx9pqkz37wucdk4sttp.png ... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3=11935026 Firefighters struggle to contain Tesla car fire New Zealand Herald-6 hours ago While the driver made
Re: [EVDL] How the US generates electricity
The interesting thing about this carbon brief map is that my 5kw array is not listed. My installation predates a number of the large 5+ MW installations that are highlighted when moused over. It would take a thousand of my type of installations to make up one yellow dot on the map but I know that there are such roof top installations in this state just by the sheer number of solar installation companies and by how long they have been in business. I am wondering if this map is under reporting the amount of solar sourced generation taking place? And if so, are other sources of information under reporting the total amount of electricity being generated? We may be "cleaner" than we think. Also, what about solar hot water? On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-how-the-us-generates-electricity > > Here is an excellent site, Carbonbrief.com, that has a great interactive > graphic > about how we generate our electricity. This kind of website should be > extremely > useful in the future if the EPA and other governmental websites do not > publish > public information. > > Take AZ for example. If I rem correctly, an area 10 miles by 10 miles of > solar > panels could generate enough electricity for the AZ usage alone, but yet > we have > the majority of our elec produced by gas, coal and nuclear... which I am > sure is > much more than 10 miles square of the power plans, train tracks, gas lines > etc. > > The problem as we all know is storage... but it seems like that problem is > going > to be solved, or is already solved if we just start manufacturing enough > storage > capacity. > > Rush Dougherty > www.TucsonEV.com > Tucson AZ 85719 > > Rush Dougherty > Tucson AZ 85719 > > > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ > group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20171020/109eb483/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] How the US generates electricity
https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-how-the-us-generates-electricity Here is an excellent site, Carbonbrief.com, that has a great interactive graphic about how we generate our electricity. This kind of website should be extremely useful in the future if the EPA and other governmental websites do not publish public information. Take AZ for example. If I rem correctly, an area 10 miles by 10 miles of solar panels could generate enough electricity for the AZ usage alone, but yet we have the majority of our elec produced by gas, coal and nuclear... which I am sure is much more than 10 miles square of the power plans, train tracks, gas lines etc. The problem as we all know is storage... but it seems like that problem is going to be solved, or is already solved if we just start manufacturing enough storage capacity. Rush Dougherty www.TucsonEV.com Tucson AZ 85719 Rush Dougherty Tucson AZ 85719 ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
