Re: [EVDL] Advice on new battery pack (Second thoughts)
On Fri, June 22, 2018 11:38 pm, Roger Daisley via EV wrote: > Reading thru the prior comments (which I really appreciate) I am starting > to wonder if I'm getting ahead of the cost curve. Maybe I should carefully > consider if lithium i.e., Leaf packs, is the way to go, at this time? > Another set of floodies is about $3000 and good for four to five years. > Maybe by that time the cost for lithium will be substantially lower. floodies may get 300- maybe 500 cycles @ 50% Dod if your easy on them , lithium will get 2000 cycles or more at 50% DOD, ad be Way lighter! ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Swapping Leaf packs
Thanks Cor! On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Hi Gary, > I developed a method to swap packs, it depends on whether you want to > involve Nissan to reprogram the BMS, so you can swap the complete pack, or > not and then you must open the pack (cut the glue that keeps the shell > together) and swap the internals. > I have done swaps where I have prepared modules in advance and it indeed > takes about half a day hustling from the moment you drive the car into the > garage, jack it up and remove belly pans, until the moment you have pushed > the last clip back into the belly pan and can drop the vehicle off the jack > stands. > BTW, I am using 2 jack stands and only jack up one side of the car, using > a low profile hydraulic jack, which I also use to lower/lift the pack onto > a furniture dolly. > I have documented the whole process here before (see archive) and I will > be happy to demonstrate the process. > Cor. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Gary Krysztopik via EV > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:28 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: Gary Krysztopik > Subject: [EVDL] Swapping Leaf packs > > Does anyone know how long it takes to swap a Leaf pack? I understand that > it will vary based on lift, other equipment and tools, and experience. For > example, if all things go well, can this be a four hour job after gaining > experience from doing the first one? > > Thanks, > Gary Krysztopik > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/ > attachments/20180716/e7a63431/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ > group/NEDRA) > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/ > attachments/20180716/781fe244/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ > group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180716/a40d86dc/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Swapping Leaf packs
Hi Gary, I developed a method to swap packs, it depends on whether you want to involve Nissan to reprogram the BMS, so you can swap the complete pack, or not and then you must open the pack (cut the glue that keeps the shell together) and swap the internals. I have done swaps where I have prepared modules in advance and it indeed takes about half a day hustling from the moment you drive the car into the garage, jack it up and remove belly pans, until the moment you have pushed the last clip back into the belly pan and can drop the vehicle off the jack stands. BTW, I am using 2 jack stands and only jack up one side of the car, using a low profile hydraulic jack, which I also use to lower/lift the pack onto a furniture dolly. I have documented the whole process here before (see archive) and I will be happy to demonstrate the process. Cor. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Gary Krysztopik via EV Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:28 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Gary Krysztopik Subject: [EVDL] Swapping Leaf packs Does anyone know how long it takes to swap a Leaf pack? I understand that it will vary based on lift, other equipment and tools, and experience. For example, if all things go well, can this be a four hour job after gaining experience from doing the first one? Thanks, Gary Krysztopik -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180716/e7a63431/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180716/781fe244/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Swapping Leaf packs
Does anyone know how long it takes to swap a Leaf pack? I understand that it will vary based on lift, other equipment and tools, and experience. For example, if all things go well, can this be a four hour job after gaining experience from doing the first one? Thanks, Gary Krysztopik -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180716/e7a63431/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVrecord: Unmanned+Autopilot Tesla-3 hypermils 1Mm on 1charge (v)
https://electrek.co/2018/07/16/tesla-model-3-autopilot-unmanned-hypermiling-record/
Tesla Model 3 unmanned on Autopilot travels 1,000 km on a single charge in
new hypermiling record
Jul. 16th 2018 Fred Lambert
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Can an unmanned Tesla Model 3 on Autopilot set a new hypermiling record?
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How to set Hypermiling Records with Tesla Model 3 & Model S on a weekend
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Just a few months after establishing the 606-mile (975 km) Tesla Model 3
hypermiling record, another team has beat it with a 622-mile (1,001 km) run
with a twist: the Model 3 was also “unmanned” and on Autopilot.
Hypermiling is the practice of driving vehicles as efficiently as possible
in order to achieve the longest distance possible on one charge/fuel tank.
It’s not a useful way to determine the range of a vehicle for normal
driving, but it’s an interesting way to see how efficient a vehicle can be
and how the way someone drives can impact fuel efficiency.
The new Model 3 record was organized by electric car rental company
‘nextmove’ in Germany this weekend.
A potential reason why they were able to beat the record is that they did
the attempt at the DEKRA testing grounds in Klettwitz, Brandenburg instead
of on public roads like the recent previous record.
That said, it appears that Autopilot was actually a bigger factor since they
also drove another Model 3 with an identical configuration next to the
unmanned Model 3 on Autopilot and it ended up traveling 14 fewer miles (23
km) than the unmanned Model 3.
nextmove Managing Director Stefan Moeller said that using a test circuit
helped manage the use of Autopilot:
“Naturally, a test circuit with clear markings, long straights, broad
curves and few surprises provides near-ideal conditions for the Tesla
autopilot. Admittedly, we did not know in advance whether the autopilot
could reach the total distance without fault, even during the night.”
When they say that it was “unmanned”, they actually used a dummy called
Spacy, who is apparently the younger brother of Starman who is currently
traveling through space in a Tesla Roadster.
As for how they managed to keep Autopilot working, nextmove explained:
“In order to make the autopilot think that there was a person sitting at
the wheel, a number of tricks were employed: Stefan Moeller started the car
and positioned the aids to imitate a hu- man driver in the Tesla Model 3.
Finally, he climbed out of the side window during a brief stop: This ensured
that nextmove could reenter the car at any time. So as not to lose any
aerodynamics, Moeller taped up the side window. Spacy sat in the driver’s
seat but during the night, he slept on a mattress that was placed on the
folded-down back seats.”
Obviously, this is not something that is recommended to do and nextmove
acknowledged that, but they did it in a controlled environment.
Here’s a video of they made about the new record:
The company says that the Model 3 consumed about 7 kWh of energy for every
100 kilometers traveled.
For good measure, they decided to also attempt to break the Tesla Model S
hypermiling record while they were at it.
They also did it by reaching a distance of 701 miles (1128 km) on a single
charge with a Tesla Model S 100D.
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Model 3 auf Autopilot fährt 1000 km ohne Laden
5 hours ago - 2 posts - ?2 authors ... im brandenburgischen Klettwitz. -
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EVLN: 606.2mi Tesla-3 Hypermiling Record> (pack unchargeable) (v)
% supercharging overnight ... the Tesla-3 would no longer accept a charge
and was towed to a Service Center % Tesla Model 3 Guns for World Record by
Driving (975km) on a Single Charge ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20180713
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EVLN: Vanda dendrobium.com D-1 HyperEV 1.8k-hp 2kNm-torque
1,800-HP Dendrobium D-1 Electric Hypercar Still In The Works
Jul 10, 2018 · 2h The Dendrobium D-1 was originally a basic electric
hypercar design concept ... we are essentially a technology company
develo...
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EVLN: CARB-method> Tesla-3 76kWh 1e-motor RWD r:495mi(796km)
CARB Rates Tesla Model 3 AWD Range at 455 Miles
July 10, 2018 · 8h The dual-motor electric-car variants will go 455 miles
on a single charge, per CARB. It’s important to note the CARB ratings ...
https://twitter.com/hoonable/status/1016419263417077760
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Porsche begins installing 800-volt electric charging stations at dealerships
12 July 2018 Porsche has been adamant that the upcoming Taycan electric
car, nee Mission E, includes a network of fast charging stations ...
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Tesla Model 3 Making its European Debut This Month
Jul 3, 2018 - The Tesla Model 3 is poised to make its European debut this
month at the ... course at the Goodwood Estate in Chichester, UK, which is
operated by the ... It may only become more active at Goodwood in coming
years after it ...
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EVcrash: Tesla-3 rollover> (driver ok)
... the incident doesn’t have a grizzly ending except for the Model 3
itself ... electric vehicles are hard to roll over ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: CARB-method> Tesla-3 76kWh 1e-motor RWD r:495mi(796km)
https://www.hybridcars.com/carb-rates-tesla-model-3-awd-range-455-miles/
CARB Rates Tesla Model 3 AWD Range at 455 Miles
July 10, 2018 Sean Szymkowski
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Tesla has filed a CARB certificate for the Model 3 Long Range AWD and Model
3 Long Range AWD Performance. Still no certificate for the Standard Range
model.
Also, for some reason the AWD models have a shorter range (455.32) based on
the UDDS test than the RWD model (495.1).
3:30 PM - Jul 9, 2018
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The California Air Resources Board has provided range estimates for the
Tesla Model 3 all-wheel drive and performance models. The dual-motor
electric-car variants will go 455 miles on a single charge, per CARB.
It’s important to note the CARB ratings are not EPA estimates or real-world
figures. Instead, CARB uses its own methodology.
What’s most interesting is the drop in range compared to the
rear-wheel-drive Model 3. The Model 3 Long Range sans the dual-motor setup
returns 495 miles, per CARB. The EPA has officially rated the Model 3 Long
Range variant with a 310-mile range estimate.
Although the AWD and performance model certificates are now available, CARB
still hasn’t published any information on the Model 3 Short Range variant.
The most affordable variant has been missing in action since production
started as Tesla works to produce pricier vehicles. Thus far, only the Long
Range, AWD and performance variants have entered production. Tesla has not
set a concrete date for when production of the Model 3 Short Range variant
will begin.
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in 3.5 seconds, dual motor all-wheel drive and our most refined design and
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Tesla Model 3 Making its European Debut This Month
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[EVDL] EVLN: Vanda dendrobium.com D-1 HyperEV 1.8k-hp 2kNm-torque
https://www.motor1.com/news/251918/dendrobium-d-1-continues-development/ 1,800-HP Dendrobium D-1 Electric Hypercar Still In The Works Official Jul 10, 2018 Chris Bruce [images https://icdn-5.motor1.com/images/mgl/9V4bv/s4/vanda-electric-dendrobium.jpg Vanda Electric Dendrobium https://icdn-6.motor1.com/images/mgl/g7e8w/s3/dendrobium-d1.jpg Source: Dendrobium Automotive Limited https://icdn-4.motor1.com/images/mgl/yLbAb/s1/dendrobium-d1.jpg Dendrobium D-1 electric hypercar ] Dendrobium will build the hypercar in the United Kingdom. The Dendrobium D-1 electric hypercar concept originally debuted at the 2017 Geneva Motor Show with a futuristic design and promises of insane performance. After going quiet for a while, the automaker now announces plans to build a production version in the United Kingdom, and the firm claims that the machine makes an unfathomable 1,800 horsepower (1,342 kilowatts) and 1,475 pound-feet (2,000 Newton-meters) of torque. Dendrobium intends to reveal details about the range and rapid charge time later. Folks in England can take a better look at the D-1 at the upcoming Salon Privé show at Blenheim Palace from August 30 to September 1. Development of the D-1 is still underway, but Dendrobium Automotive is targeting a weight of 3,858 pounds (1,750 kilograms). The entire body would be carbon fiber, and it uses what the firm calls a Protocellcarbon tub. The machine also features bizarre doors that open up and outward in what the automaker calls a Bio-Aerial Locomotion design. The layout takes inspiration from the shape of dendrobium orchid that's native to Singapore. Dendrobium doesn't offer any performance benchmarks, but info from debut at Geneva puts the benchmarks at reaching 60 miles per hour (96 kilometers per hour) in 2.7 seconds and the ability to hit over 200 mph (322 kph). “Using the very latest technology, we are developing, what will be, the most impressive all-electric hypercar. We are designing our own in-house all-electric powertrain and we plan to use our own power storage cells moving to Solid State as and when the technology is reliable and financially viable," Nigel Gordon-Stewart is Chairman and CEO of Dendrobium Automotive Limited said in the announcement of production in the U.K. Vanda Electrics, a firm from Singapore, came up with the design for the D-1 in the mid-1990s, but the machine didn't make the transition to three dimensions until 2016 when Williams Advanced Engineering created the show car that went on display at the Geneva Motor Show. press release DENDROBIUM D-1 E-HYPERCAR CONFIRMED FOR DEVELOPMENT AND PRODUCTION IN UK AND DEBUT PRESENTATION AT SALON PRIVÉ 10/07/18 After the highly successful international introduction at the Geneva International Motor Show in 2017 and subsequent presentations throughout Europe and the Far East, the Dendrobium D-1 electric hypercar has taken its next steps towards production with an all new company, Dendrobium Automotive Limited, now established in the UK. The Dendrobium D-1 will be officially presented in public for the first time in the UK at Salon Privé which takes place in the grounds of ‘Britain’s Greatest Palace’, Blenheim Palace from Thursday 30th August – Saturday 1st September. The Dendrobium D-1 was originally a basic electric hypercar design concept, created in the mid-1990s, by Vanda Electrics, a Singaporean product design company. In 2016 the sketched designs were presented to UK engineering and Formula 1™ company, Williams Advanced Engineering with a brief for them to create a working show car integrating many features of the car which would appear on the production version to be presented at Geneva. A uniquely qualified management team has now been recruited to take the Dendrobium D-1 into its next phase of development. Nigel Gordon-Stewart is Chairman and CEO of Dendrobium Automotive Limited. Gordon-Stewart has been working in the premium and supercar markets since 1989. He is best known for pioneering the sales and marketing of the McLaren F1 and subsequently as Sales & Marketing Director of Automobili Lamborghini SpA reintroducing the Super Veloce brand with the Diablo SV and SVR. He was later an Associate Director to the Board at Group Lotus Plc among other senior roles. “Dendrobium Automotive is one of the most exciting businesses I’ve ever been involved with.” commented Gordon-Stewart. “Using the very latest technology, we are developing, what will be, the most impressive all-electric hypercar. We are designing our own in-house all-electric power train and we plan to use our own power storage cells moving to Solid State as and when the technology is reliable and financially viable. We are developing unique cabling and connector systems as well as our own complete vehicle integration and ADAS hardware and software. From a technical perspective, the D-1 will be a British engineering tour-de-force.” The headline specification targets of the D-1 are as impressive as you’d expect from
