[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20181027
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-The-flawed-I-Pace-EV-a-regrettably-controlled-ice-tp4691651.html
EVLN: The flawed I-Pace EV> (a regrettably controlled ice)
2019 Jaguar I-Pace review: When a good electric car is not a good car
Oct 22 2018 ... flawed but promising ... $US86,000 ($121,000) ... electric
luxury SUV ... they should reduce problems with smart phones and some
infotainment features ...
https://www.afr.com/content/dam/images/h/1/6/u/m/g/image.related.afrArticleLead.620x350.h16xko.png/1540166924827.jpg
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-spied-imported-Tesla-X-in-petrol-starved-Zimbabwe-tp4691652.html
EVLN: (spied)> imported Tesla-X in petrol-starved Zimbabwe
PICS: ‘Wow… someone owns a Tesla’: Electric car causes stir in fuel-starved
Zimbabwe
The sight of an electric car in Zimbabwe has caused a stir on social media,
as fuel shortages cause agony for many ...
https://twitter.com/zimlive/status/1053202907166838784
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https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/dutch-start-up-three-wheels-united-bets-big-on-e-autorickshaws/article25279916.ece
Dutch start-up Three Wheels United bets big on e-autorickshaws
2018-10-21 Dutch start-up Three Wheels United bets big on e-autorickshaws
2018-10-21 With growing public interest in electric vehicles, a Dutch
start-up Three Wheels United (TWU) is betting big on the electric
autorickshaw market ...
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/10/15/after-34-years-of-selling-cars-this-salesman-is-now-promoting-evs/
After 34 Years of Selling Cars, This Salesman Is Now Promoting EVs
October 15th, 2018 So, the car salesperson who made a living selling
conventional gas vehicles, began exploring electric vehicles. “I wanted the
smoothest, quietest, quickest, and ...
https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2018/10/Thomas-J.-Thias-at-a-Solar-EV-Filling-Station-570x285.jpg
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVent-Bayou-EVs-free-gumbo-EVSE-fundraiser-10-28-12-8p-Lafayette-LA-tp4691649.html
EVent: Bayou EVs &free-gumbo @EVSE fundraiser 10/28 12–8p Lafayette-LA
Bayou Electric Vehicles hosts “Plugging In” fundraiser this Sunday
October 26, 2018 – Bayou Electric Vehicles today announced that it will host
“Plugging In” this Sunday, October 28 from 12:00 – 8:00 p.m. at ... (map)
https://goo.gl/maps/wZrHKaLHWAm
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVtheft-tablet-reads-entry-fob-easier-than-unplugging-v-tp4691602.html
EVtheft: tablet reads entry fob> easier than unplugging (v)
Thieves steal a Tesla Model S by hacking the entry fob
2018-10-22 - A Tesla owner recorded thieves stealing Tesla-S ... using a
tablet to apparently capture the passive fob signal ... published the video
... so we can all watch& learn ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joqjs0SXN0k
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[EVDL] EVLN: The flawed I-Pace EV> (a regrettably controlled ice)
https://www.afr.com/lifestyle/cars-bikes-and-boats/cars/2019-jaguar-ipace-review-when-a-good-electric-car-is-not-a-good-car-20181021-h16xko 2019 Jaguar I-Pace review: When a good electric car is not a good car Oct 22 2018 Mark Phelan [images JAGUAR IMAGES https://www.afr.com/content/dam/images/h/1/6/u/m/g/image.related.afrArticleLead.620x350.h16xko.png/1540166924827.jpg https://www.afr.com/content/dam/images/h/1/6/h/s/3/image.imgtype.afrArticleInline.620x0.png/1539220806887.jpg The interior. The I-Pace joins auto makers' long list of regrettable attempts to reinvent controls that were already just fine. Jaguar Land Rover https://www.afr.com/content/dam/images/h/1/6/x/c/a/image.imgtype.afrArticleInline.620x0.png/1540160183286.jpg A Jaguar I-Pace during the Invictus Games in Sydney. Nick Dimbleby ] Surprisingly, given that there's no engine that needs cooling under the hood, the I-Pace has a big grille for a nose ... Surprisingly, given that there's no engine that needs cooling under the hood, the I-Pace has a big grille for a nose that'll look familiar to the brand's fans. Detroit | If you consider the Jaguar I-Pace, I advise testing the systems, and climate controls extensively during your test drive. Transcript of a hands-free phone call while testing the vehicle: Me: Paul? You free? A: I have a minute before a conference call. M: I want to check what you think of the Jaguar I-Pace. I'm driving one, and I hate it so much I want to crash it into a wall. A: What? I loved that vehicle. I'll call you back in half an hour. Paul is Paul Eisenstein, auto writer and a peer whose opinions I respect, but don't always share. The kind of person to call when you're thinking about aiming an $US86,000 ($121,000) electric luxury vehicle at a bridge abutment rather than spend another minute trying to adjust the air conditioning fan speed. Conversations like this are the bane of auto makers, as they try to reinvent themselves with electric vehicles, self-driving robot cars, vehicles on demand and other new challenges. Some of them behave as if it's unfair to expect them to create new types of vehicles and simultaneously deliver features we take for granted in today's cars and SUVs. The 2018 Jaguar I-Pace, the brand's first electric vehicle - if you don't count one-offs built for royal weddings and the like - is a perfect, and occasionally maddening, example. It's an accomplished electric vehicle that's barely average among luxury SUVs due to faults that have nothing to do with the innovative zero-emissions drivetrain at its heart. Eisenstein never called back, by the way. That's Paul, but he had given me what I needed: A reminder that an early-adopting tech fan might love a vehicle that reduced me to sputtering obscenities when I tried to make a simple phone call. Maybe you're that tech fan. Clearly, I'm not. Here's the lowdown on the new electric Jag. Behind the Wheel - 2018 Jaguar I-Pace - All-wheel-drive, five-passenger luxury SUV - Price as tested: $US85,900 (excluding destination charge) - Rating: Two out of four stars - Reasons to buy: Electric power, looks, acceleration. - Shortcomings: Frustrating climate controls, poor smartphone integration, poor voice recognition. How much? The I-Pace uses a brand new architecture Jaguar Land Rover developed for its upcoming electric vehicles. Sales just began around the world. The first deliveries to US customers are expected in November. All I-Paces have two electric motors for all-wheel drive, one on each axle. They produce 396 horsepower and 512 pound-feet of torque. The five-passenger I-Pace is a compact SUV. US prices will start at $US69,500. I tested a top-of-the-line I-Pace First Edition. It had a 360-degree camera, adaptive cruise control, 20-inch wheels, 825-watt Meridian audio, leather interior, suede headliner, heated steering wheel, blind-spot assist, lane-keeping assist, navigation, power tailgate and more. It stickered at $US85,900. All prices exclude destination charges. At 184.3 inches long, it's 2 inches shorter than Jag's conventionally powered F-Pace SUV. If you're determined to buy an electric luxury SUV, there's not much competition for the I-Pace. The Tesla Model X is more than a foot longer and costs significantly more when comparably equipped. The Audi E-tron SUV won't be on sale til the second quarter of 2019 and is 8.7 inches longer. The other announced luxury electric SUV, the Mercedes EQC, isn't due til 2020. If you want a conventionally powered but otherwise technically advanced and luxury-sport SUV, you have an embarrassment of choices. Competitive base prices (Excluding destination charges) (Automatic transmission, all-wheel drive models.) - Jaguar I-Pace First Edition: $US85,900 - Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio: $US79,995 - BMW X3 M40i: $US54,650 - Porsche Macan turbo: $US77,200 - Tesla Model X 100D: $US96,000 Source: Autotrader Power and range The I-Pace's electric drivetrain delivers imp
[EVDL] Unaltruistic Koch $M's 4fake-EV-news are weirder than ever
https://electrek.co/2018/10/26/kochs-electric-vehicle-federal-tax-credit/
Oil giant Koch Industries try to stop the attempt to expand the electric
vehicle federal tax credit
Oct. 26th 2018 Fred Lambert
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Koch Brothers’ Toxic Empire
]
With a new Republican-backed effort to expand the electric vehicle federal
tax credit, the Koch brothers are urging senators to vote against it –
putting their political donation dollars at work.
The situation around the federal tax credit for EVs is weirder than ever
right now.
As Tesla hit the threshold to initiate the phase-out, there are two
different legislative efforts to change it.
Earlier this month, a Republican senator introduced a new bill to end the
$7,500 federal tax credit for electric cars and tax them even more instead.
But a few days later, another Republican senator proposed a new bill to
remove the federal tax credit cap for EVs and expand it to 2022.
Now Koch Industries, which is a fossil fuel company owned by the
conservative Koch brothers, is weighing in on the issue and unsurprisingly,
they are urging senators to vote to kill the EV tax credit.
Koch lobbyist Philip Ellender wrote in a letter to senators earlier this
week (via Bloomberg):
“Subsidizing the wealthy with tax dollars is not only bad policy, it
also increases our national deficit. I urge you to oppose the expansion of
credits on plug-in electric vehicles (EV) through 2022.”
It’s not the first time that the Kochs have used their political weight to
lobby against electric vehicles.
In 2016, the Koch brothers launched an offensive against electric vehicles
through a multimillion-dollar lobbying campaign.
Electrek’s Take
The EV federal tax credit is giving tax dollars to the rich and increasing
the deficit?
I must be dumb because I thought that the giant corporate tax cut that they
lobbied for achieved that – not the EV tax credit.
As I like to emphasize when talking about the EV tax credit, I acknowledge
that it’s not a perfect solution, but it’s the best we have short of a
carbon tax.
Without a carbon tax, it means that all non-EVs are getting important
subsidies and therefore, it makes sense to directly subsidize EVs to
compensate.
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https://www.thenation.com/article/washington-carbon-emissions-tax-initiative-1631/
Big Oil Really Wants to Kill Washington's Green New Deal
2018-10-26 ... economic case for continuing dependence on fossil fuels is
eroding ... the World Bank ... will not finance a coal plant because
renewable energy is cheaper. Affordable electric cars can go a mile on one
to three cents’ worth of solar electricity, roughly a quarter the cost of
gasoline. And the skyrocketing costs of climate-related catastrophes may
start coming home to roost, as victims seek to recover damages from the
fossil fuel companies that knowingly caused them ... BP strongly opposes the
Washington [state] ballot initiative that would impose a carbon tax ...
https://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/yes-on-1631-scuba-ap-img.jpg?scale=896&compress=80
https://www.eenews.net/energywire/2018/10/25/stories/1060104353
Big Oil looks to stop utilities' charging investments
October 25, 2018 State utility regulators across the Midwest are revving up
their interest in electric vehicle charging infrastructure. And the
petroleum industry and its allies are urging them to hit the brakes ...
https://www.google.com/search?q=Big+Oil+looks+to+stop+utilities'+charging+investments
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2018/10/25/oil-industry-biggest-threat-tesla/38265677/
Oil industry’s biggest threat isn’t Tesla, but aversion
Oct. 25, 2018 ... What’s the bigger threat to the oil industry, electric
vehicles or renewable energy? ... the marriage of electric vehicles with
renewable energy challenges (ice) ... Renewable energy and electric vehicles
are just tools enabling that to happen ...
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[EVDL] EVent: Bayou EVs &free-gumbo @EVSE fundraiser 10/28 12–8p Lafayette-LA
https://kadn.com/bayou-electric-vehicles-hosts-plugging-in-fundraiser-this-sunday/
Bayou Electric Vehicles hosts “Plugging In” fundraiser this Sunday
October 26th, 2018 Rain Augustine
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LAFAYETTE, LA – October 26, 2018 – Bayou Electric Vehicles [
https://www.bayouev.org/
] today announced that it will host “Plugging In” this Sunday, October 28
from 12:00 – 8:00 p.m. at Wurst Biergarten located at 537 Jefferson Street
in downtown Lafayette [map
https://goo.gl/maps/wZrHKaLHWAm
]. “Plugging In” is a community event to raise funds for Lafayette’s first
public fast electric vehicle charging station.
The event, sponsored by Bayou Electric Vehicles, Wurst Biergarten and
NextGEN Utility Systems will feature live music, free gumbo and an
opportunity for community members to learn more about clean energy
initiatives. All donations will go toward funding a vehicle charging
station. The station will be located in downtown Lafayette and will serve an
added benefit of bringing drivers in from off the interstate.
“This would be the second charging station of its kind in the state of
Louisiana,” said Dr. Jeff Leblanc of Bayou Electric Vehicles. “It would be
the only station like this conveniently between Lake Charles and Baton
Rouge, encouraging drivers of electric vehicles to pull off and charge in
downtown Lafayette while enjoying local businesses.”
Robert Guercio, owner of Wurst Biergarten in downtown Lafayette said, “As a
local business owner, I’m excited about the opportunity to attract even more
people to downtown Lafayette. This charging station would help us reach
people who otherwise may not be inclined to spend some time enjoying all
that Lafayette has to offer.”
“NextGEN is proud to partner with Bayou Electric Vehicles and Wurst
Biergarten to sponsor this event.” NextGEN Managing Director Jeff Baudier
said. “Sponsoring events like this is one of the many ways NextGEN plans to
support the Lafayette community. We will be there with our families and
encourage everyone to stop by, enjoy some good food and get to know our team
and what NextGEN is about.
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Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo
They want to have lower emission standards on their trucks and SUVs so it will
lower the cost and increase profits to supplement their electric vehicle
programs. Same thing as a bailout. What does that do to companies like Tesla.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 26, 2018, at 10:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz wrote:
>
> I appreciate the cynicism, but I find no evidence of that.
>
> That article is old, but I suspect that the data still applies. It says
> nothing about a government bailout.
>
> So they are losing money on the Bolt. The Prius lost money for 10 years, but
> is Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for the long game, and
> have been investing in both types of EVs.
>
> - Mark
>
> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
>
>> On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:04 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote:
>>
>> Of course they do because they are losing money on the bolt. Need another
>> government bailout.
>> https://www.inverse.com/article/32239-why-gm-loses-money-chevy-bolt
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:03 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-26/gm-breaks-with-trump-in-call-for-national-electric-car-mandate
>>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate
>>> October 25, 2018 Automaker pitches U.S. rule to spur more EV sales through
>>> 2030 ... GM says a nationwide program could put 7 million long-range
>>> electric cars on the road and slash 375 million tons of carbon dioxide
>>> emissions by 2030, compared with existing zero-emission vehicle mandates ...
>>>
>>>
>>> GM Wants Trump Administration To Back National Electric Vehicle ...
>>> International Business Times-31 minutes ago
>>> General Motors Co said on Friday it wants the Trump administration to back a
>>> nationwide program to boost the sale of zero emission vehicles like electric
>>> ...
>>>
>>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate
>>> Bloomberg-42 minutes ago
>>> The Trump administration wants to end California's requirement for
>>> automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year. America's
>>> biggest automaker has ...
>>>
>>> GM proposes nationwide zero-emissions vehicle sales mandate
>>> WHSV-1 hour ago
>>> California sets the requirements based on a complex formula that considers
>>> the total number of vehicles sold by an automaker and gives credits for
>>> fully electric ...
>>>
>>> General Motors CEO: We call for federal electric and zero-emission ...
>>> USA TODAY-1 hour ago
>>> It will create jobs through the expansion of battery and electric vehicle
>>> research and development and production, improve the environment and make
>>> electric ...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=Breaks+With+Trump+in+Call+for+National+Electric+Car+Mandate
>>>
>>>
>>> 2 hours ago - The Trump administration wants to end California's requirement
>>> for automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year. America's
>>> ...
>>>
>>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ...
>>> www.wiredfocus.com › electric cars
>>> 51 mins ago
>>>
>>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ...
>>> www.techheadlines.us › electric cars
>>> 51 mins ago
>>>
>>> [dated]
>>> Trump's rollback could zap California's electric car industry ...
>>> https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article215984510.html
>>> Aug 2, 2018
>>>
>>> Trump is going after California's clean car mandate | TechCrunch
>>> https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/.../trump-is-going-after-californias-clean-car-mandate...
>>> Jul 23, 2018
>>>
>>> California wants more electric cars. The Trump administration doesn't ...
>>> www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-fuel-standards-fight-20180202-story.html
>>> Feb 2, 2018
>>>
>>> Electric Vehicles: Government Mandates Threaten Customers ...
>>> https://www.nationalreview.com/.../electric-cars-government-mandates-threaten-custo...
>>> Feb 26, 2018
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
With half the population living in urban areas, including suburbs, we're talking about a lot of people who don't have room for more than two vehicles even if they want more. Even two, though, gives you a much better fit than one-for-all. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Robert Bruninga via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Robert Bruninga" Sent: 26-Oct-18 10:23:53 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars I donno. My family of four before the kids left had 5. Not a one cost more than $5k. Salvage Priuses for daily use, plus a gramma's hand-me-down Geo Metro and an old Ford van for occasional towing and hauling. And a few un-registered old EV projects out back. The entire fleet cost much less than a single average new American car. We drove a vehicle appropriate for the trip. Bob -Original Message- From: EV On Behalf Of Mark Abramowitz via EV Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars Most people I know don’t have multiple cars for multiple purposes, unless they are wealthy. Most do have a “one car fits all”. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone On Oct 25, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: Peri Hartman via EV wrote: The Stella is an awesome example of what can be done. Aside from what Lee says, which I think is one area of resistance, another big problem is need for a variety of uses. What I mean is I (or you or the huddling masses...) want something that works for a 15 mile solo commute, works to take the family out to dinner, works to go skiing (hiking, fishing, hunting, ...) for the day, and works to go out of town for the weekend. I think the Stella might be able to do the first two, for a large percentage of people. The latter two? I doubt it. You're right; people tend to want a "universal" solution; one vehicle to do everything. But that's not really practical. It forces compromises so the vehicle is not really good at anything. You see luxury pickup trucks that can't really haul anything, or huge SUVs being used for single-person commuting. So most people have more than one car. Each vehicle can be more closely optimzed to the job it spends most of its time doing. One hopes that EVs will often be these second vehicles. If it's for commuting, it doesn't need long range, or high seating capacity, or towing capabilities. The owner will have another vehicle for that. -- Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple, reliable, straightforward, readily available, easy to use, and affordable. 2. Not what the salesman wants you to buy. -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo
Read between the lines. They want to have lower emission standards on their
trucks and SUVs so it will lower the cost and increase profits to supplement
their electric vehicle programs. Same thing as a bailout. What does that do to
companies like Tesla.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 26, 2018, at 10:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz wrote:
>
> I appreciate the cynicism, but I find no evidence of that.
>
> That article is old, but I suspect that the data still applies. It says
> nothing about a government bailout.
>
> So they are losing money on the Bolt. The Prius lost money for 10 years, but
> is Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for the long game, and
> have been investing in both types of EVs.
>
> - Mark
>
> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
>
>> On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:04 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote:
>>
>> Of course they do because they are losing money on the bolt. Need another
>> government bailout.
>> https://www.inverse.com/article/32239-why-gm-loses-money-chevy-bolt
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:03 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-26/gm-breaks-with-trump-in-call-for-national-electric-car-mandate
>>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate
>>> October 25, 2018 Automaker pitches U.S. rule to spur more EV sales through
>>> 2030 ... GM says a nationwide program could put 7 million long-range
>>> electric cars on the road and slash 375 million tons of carbon dioxide
>>> emissions by 2030, compared with existing zero-emission vehicle mandates ...
>>>
>>>
>>> GM Wants Trump Administration To Back National Electric Vehicle ...
>>> International Business Times-31 minutes ago
>>> General Motors Co said on Friday it wants the Trump administration to back a
>>> nationwide program to boost the sale of zero emission vehicles like electric
>>> ...
>>>
>>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate
>>> Bloomberg-42 minutes ago
>>> The Trump administration wants to end California's requirement for
>>> automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year. America's
>>> biggest automaker has ...
>>>
>>> GM proposes nationwide zero-emissions vehicle sales mandate
>>> WHSV-1 hour ago
>>> California sets the requirements based on a complex formula that considers
>>> the total number of vehicles sold by an automaker and gives credits for
>>> fully electric ...
>>>
>>> General Motors CEO: We call for federal electric and zero-emission ...
>>> USA TODAY-1 hour ago
>>> It will create jobs through the expansion of battery and electric vehicle
>>> research and development and production, improve the environment and make
>>> electric ...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=Breaks+With+Trump+in+Call+for+National+Electric+Car+Mandate
>>>
>>>
>>> 2 hours ago - The Trump administration wants to end California's requirement
>>> for automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year. America's
>>> ...
>>>
>>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ...
>>> www.wiredfocus.com › electric cars
>>> 51 mins ago
>>>
>>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ...
>>> www.techheadlines.us › electric cars
>>> 51 mins ago
>>>
>>> [dated]
>>> Trump's rollback could zap California's electric car industry ...
>>> https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article215984510.html
>>> Aug 2, 2018
>>>
>>> Trump is going after California's clean car mandate | TechCrunch
>>> https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/.../trump-is-going-after-californias-clean-car-mandate...
>>> Jul 23, 2018
>>>
>>> California wants more electric cars. The Trump administration doesn't ...
>>> www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-fuel-standards-fight-20180202-story.html
>>> Feb 2, 2018
>>>
>>> Electric Vehicles: Government Mandates Threaten Customers ...
>>> https://www.nationalreview.com/.../electric-cars-government-mandates-threaten-custo...
>>> Feb 26, 2018
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
Electric bicycles were my main transportation for years. Citicars and converted EVs second and a rental ICE if I needed long distance. This was before all the current EV options. On 10/26/2018 12:48 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: I donno. My family of four before the kids left had 5. Not a one cost more than $5k. Salvage Priuses for daily use, plus a gramma's hand-me-down Geo Metro and an old Ford van for occasional towing and hauling. And a few un-registered old EV projects out back. The entire fleet cost much less than a single average new American car. We drove a vehicle appropriate for the trip. That's my situation as well. We have one car per driver in the family. Each one is different, so we can pick the vehicle best suited to the job at hand. A 2013 Leaf (daily driver), a 2001 Prius (long trips), and a 2010 pickup (towing, hauling). It doesn't appear to me that this strategy is at all unusual. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: I donno. My family of four before the kids left had 5. Not a one cost more than $5k. Salvage Priuses for daily use, plus a gramma's hand-me-down Geo Metro and an old Ford van for occasional towing and hauling. And a few un-registered old EV projects out back. The entire fleet cost much less than a single average new American car. We drove a vehicle appropriate for the trip. That's my situation as well. We have one car per driver in the family. Each one is different, so we can pick the vehicle best suited to the job at hand. A 2013 Leaf (daily driver), a 2001 Prius (long trips), and a 2010 pickup (towing, hauling). It doesn't appear to me that this strategy is at all unusual. -- Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple, reliable, straightforward, readily available, easy to use, and affordable. 2. Not what the salesman wants you to buy. -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
I donno. My family of four before the kids left had 5. Not a one cost more than $5k. Salvage Priuses for daily use, plus a gramma's hand-me-down Geo Metro and an old Ford van for occasional towing and hauling. And a few un-registered old EV projects out back. The entire fleet cost much less than a single average new American car. We drove a vehicle appropriate for the trip. Bob -Original Message- From: EV On Behalf Of Mark Abramowitz via EV Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars Most people I know don’t have multiple cars for multiple purposes, unless they are wealthy. Most do have a “one car fits all”. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 25, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >> The Stella is an awesome example of what can be done. Aside from what >> Lee says, which I think is one area of resistance, another big >> problem is need for a variety of uses. >> >> What I mean is I (or you or the huddling masses...) want something >> that works for a 15 mile solo commute, works to take the family out >> to dinner, works to go skiing (hiking, fishing, hunting, ...) for the >> day, and works to go out of town for the weekend. I think the Stella >> might be able to do the first two, for a large percentage of people. >> The latter two? I doubt it. > > You're right; people tend to want a "universal" solution; one vehicle to > do everything. > > But that's not really practical. It forces compromises so the vehicle is > not really good at anything. You see luxury pickup trucks that can't > really haul anything, or huge SUVs being used for single-person commuting. > > So most people have more than one car. Each vehicle can be more closely > optimzed to the job it spends most of its time doing. > > One hopes that EVs will often be these second vehicles. If it's for > commuting, it doesn't need long range, or high seating capacity, or towing > capabilities. The owner will have another vehicle for that. > > -- > Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple, > reliable, straightforward, readily available, easy to use, and > affordable. 2. Not what the salesman wants you to buy. > -- > Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
If there was a vehicle that could do it all the Stella vehicles would come close...except for towing, and carrying big loads...pretty big but not pickup big. Also their monocoque construction is very strong and they have 5 point seatbelts which make them as safe as formula 1. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181026/6a1cf5d9/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
Mark Abramowitz said: > Most people I know don’t have multiple cars for multiple purposes, unless > they are > wealthy. > Most do have a “one car fits all”. Amen to that. I really need three cars, but drive one that is not idea for the majority of my driving, but required for some of it. I can assure you that a full sized, crew cab 4x4 pickup is NOT the ideal one person commuting car, but is required for other stuff... I could rent (and have a few times) one of the three, but the truck as equipped can not be rented. Jim Walls ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
Most people I know don’t have multiple cars for multiple purposes, unless they are wealthy. Most do have a “one car fits all”. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 25, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >> The Stella is an awesome example of what can be done. Aside from what >> Lee says, which I think is one area of resistance, another big problem >> is need for a variety of uses. >> >> What I mean is I (or you or the huddling masses...) want something that >> works for a 15 mile solo commute, works to take the family out to >> dinner, works to go skiing (hiking, fishing, hunting, ...) for the day, >> and works to go out of town for the weekend. I think the Stella might be >> able to do the first two, for a large percentage of people. The latter >> two? I doubt it. > > You're right; people tend to want a "universal" solution; one vehicle to do > everything. > > But that's not really practical. It forces compromises so the vehicle is not > really good at anything. You see luxury pickup trucks that can't really haul > anything, or huge SUVs being used for single-person commuting. > > So most people have more than one car. Each vehicle can be more closely > optimzed to the job it spends most of its time doing. > > One hopes that EVs will often be these second vehicles. If it's for > commuting, it doesn't need long range, or high seating capacity, or towing > capabilities. The owner will have another vehicle for that. > > -- > Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple, > reliable, straightforward, readily available, easy to use, and > affordable. 2. Not what the salesman wants you to buy. > -- > Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: I don't particularly find GM to be altruistic. Am I right, reading between the lines, the GM fears a repeat of the Japanese takeover in the '70s ? This time around, VW and other European manufacturers are ramping up to an all-EV fleet. If they succeed, my guess is they will outsell gas cars, even in the U.S. GM is sniffing the wind. I agree. Big corporations aren't about altruism; they're about profit. GM has simply decided there is more profit in staying in the EV market than in getting out. I'd guess they spent a lot on EV tooling, and will lose it if they don't sell enough EVs to recover it. GM is so big that it is a "nation" onto itself. They pay little attention to what the other automaker "nations" do, and are influenced more by their own internal politics. -- Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple, reliable, straightforward, readily available, easy to use, and affordable. 2. Not what the salesman wants you to buy. -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo
I appreciate the cynicism, but I find no evidence of that.
That article is old, but I suspect that the data still applies. It says nothing
about a government bailout.
So they are losing money on the Bolt. The Prius lost money for 10 years, but is
Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for the long game, and have
been investing in both types of EVs.
- Mark
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> On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:04 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote:
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> Of course they do because they are losing money on the bolt. Need another
> government bailout.
> https://www.inverse.com/article/32239-why-gm-loses-money-chevy-bolt
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>> On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:03 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
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>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-26/gm-breaks-with-trump-in-call-for-national-electric-car-mandate
>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate
>> October 25, 2018 Automaker pitches U.S. rule to spur more EV sales through
>> 2030 ... GM says a nationwide program could put 7 million long-range
>> electric cars on the road and slash 375 million tons of carbon dioxide
>> emissions by 2030, compared with existing zero-emission vehicle mandates ...
>>
>>
>> GM Wants Trump Administration To Back National Electric Vehicle ...
>> International Business Times-31 minutes ago
>> General Motors Co said on Friday it wants the Trump administration to back a
>> nationwide program to boost the sale of zero emission vehicles like electric
>> ...
>>
>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate
>> Bloomberg-42 minutes ago
>> The Trump administration wants to end California's requirement for
>> automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year. America's
>> biggest automaker has ...
>>
>> GM proposes nationwide zero-emissions vehicle sales mandate
>> WHSV-1 hour ago
>> California sets the requirements based on a complex formula that considers
>> the total number of vehicles sold by an automaker and gives credits for
>> fully electric ...
>>
>> General Motors CEO: We call for federal electric and zero-emission ...
>> USA TODAY-1 hour ago
>> It will create jobs through the expansion of battery and electric vehicle
>> research and development and production, improve the environment and make
>> electric ...
>>
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=Breaks+With+Trump+in+Call+for+National+Electric+Car+Mandate
>>
>>
>> 2 hours ago - The Trump administration wants to end California's requirement
>> for automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year. America's
>> ...
>>
>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ...
>> www.wiredfocus.com › electric cars
>> 51 mins ago
>>
>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ...
>> www.techheadlines.us › electric cars
>> 51 mins ago
>>
>> [dated]
>> Trump's rollback could zap California's electric car industry ...
>> https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article215984510.html
>> Aug 2, 2018
>>
>> Trump is going after California's clean car mandate | TechCrunch
>> https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/.../trump-is-going-after-californias-clean-car-mandate...
>> Jul 23, 2018
>>
>> California wants more electric cars. The Trump administration doesn't ...
>> www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-fuel-standards-fight-20180202-story.html
>> Feb 2, 2018
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>> Electric Vehicles: Government Mandates Threaten Customers ...
>> https://www.nationalreview.com/.../electric-cars-government-mandates-threaten-custo...
>> Feb 26, 2018
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Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo
Of course they do because they are losing money on the bolt. Need another
government bailout.
https://www.inverse.com/article/32239-why-gm-loses-money-chevy-bolt
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> On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:03 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
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> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-26/gm-breaks-with-trump-in-call-for-national-electric-car-mandate
> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate
> October 25, 2018 Automaker pitches U.S. rule to spur more EV sales through
> 2030 ... GM says a nationwide program could put 7 million long-range
> electric cars on the road and slash 375 million tons of carbon dioxide
> emissions by 2030, compared with existing zero-emission vehicle mandates ...
>
>
> GM Wants Trump Administration To Back National Electric Vehicle ...
> International Business Times-31 minutes ago
> General Motors Co said on Friday it wants the Trump administration to back a
> nationwide program to boost the sale of zero emission vehicles like electric
> ...
>
> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate
> Bloomberg-42 minutes ago
> The Trump administration wants to end California's requirement for
> automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year. America's
> biggest automaker has ...
>
> GM proposes nationwide zero-emissions vehicle sales mandate
> WHSV-1 hour ago
> California sets the requirements based on a complex formula that considers
> the total number of vehicles sold by an automaker and gives credits for
> fully electric ...
>
> General Motors CEO: We call for federal electric and zero-emission ...
> USA TODAY-1 hour ago
> It will create jobs through the expansion of battery and electric vehicle
> research and development and production, improve the environment and make
> electric ...
>
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=Breaks+With+Trump+in+Call+for+National+Electric+Car+Mandate
>
>
> 2 hours ago - The Trump administration wants to end California's requirement
> for automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year. America's
> ...
>
> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ...
> www.wiredfocus.com › electric cars
> 51 mins ago
>
> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ...
> www.techheadlines.us › electric cars
> 51 mins ago
>
> [dated]
> Trump's rollback could zap California's electric car industry ...
> https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article215984510.html
> Aug 2, 2018
>
> Trump is going after California's clean car mandate | TechCrunch
> https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/.../trump-is-going-after-californias-clean-car-mandate...
> Jul 23, 2018
>
> California wants more electric cars. The Trump administration doesn't ...
> www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-fuel-standards-fight-20180202-story.html
> Feb 2, 2018
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> Electric Vehicles: Government Mandates Threaten Customers ...
> https://www.nationalreview.com/.../electric-cars-government-mandates-threaten-custo...
> Feb 26, 2018
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Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo
I don't particularly find GM to be altruistic. Am I right, reading
between the lines, the GM fears a repeat of the Japanese takeover in the
'70s ? This time around, VW and other European manufacturers are ramping
up to an all-EV fleet. If they succeed, my guess is they will outsell
gas cars, even in the U.S. GM is sniffing the wind.
Peri
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Subject: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate)
woo
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-26/gm-breaks-with-trump-in-call-for-national-electric-car-mandate
GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate
October 25, 2018 Automaker pitches U.S. rule to spur more EV sales
through
2030 ... GM says a nationwide program could put 7 million long-range
electric cars on the road and slash 375 million tons of carbon dioxide
emissions by 2030, compared with existing zero-emission vehicle
mandates ...
GM Wants Trump Administration To Back National Electric Vehicle ...
International Business Times-31 minutes ago
General Motors Co said on Friday it wants the Trump administration to
back a
nationwide program to boost the sale of zero emission vehicles like
electric
...
GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate
Bloomberg-42 minutes ago
The Trump administration wants to end California's requirement for
automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year. America's
biggest automaker has ...
GM proposes nationwide zero-emissions vehicle sales mandate
WHSV-1 hour ago
California sets the requirements based on a complex formula that
considers
the total number of vehicles sold by an automaker and gives credits for
fully electric ...
General Motors CEO: We call for federal electric and zero-emission ...
USA TODAY-1 hour ago
It will create jobs through the expansion of battery and electric
vehicle
research and development and production, improve the environment and
make
electric ...
https://www.google.com/search?q=Breaks+With+Trump+in+Call+for+National+Electric+Car+Mandate
2 hours ago - The Trump administration wants to end California's
requirement
for automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year.
America's
...
GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ...
www.wiredfocus.com › electric cars
51 mins ago
GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ...
www.techheadlines.us › electric cars
51 mins ago
[dated]
Trump's rollback could zap California's electric car industry ...
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article215984510.html
Aug 2, 2018
Trump is going after California's clean car mandate | TechCrunch
https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/.../trump-is-going-after-californias-clean-car-mandate...
Jul 23, 2018
California wants more electric cars. The Trump administration doesn't
...
www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-fuel-standards-fight-20180202-story.html
Feb 2, 2018
Electric Vehicles: Government Mandates Threaten Customers ...
https://www.nationalreview.com/.../electric-cars-government-mandates-threaten-custo...
Feb 26, 2018
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