Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo
Wow. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 27, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Michael Ross wrote: > > The gigafactory doubles global production. That should do it, but they are > building more. > >> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 2:58 PM Mark Abramowitz >> wrote: >> I agree on everything except on the characterization of Tesla as preeminent >> battery supplier. What about BYD? Others? >> >> - Mark >> >> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone >> >> > On Oct 27, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: >> > >> > In the grand schema Tesla is just a tiny contributor to the global >> > population of autos. Every thing the established manufacturers do to lag >> > them will benefit them. I think it is all good for Tesla if they have less >> > pressure. >> > >> > Don't forget that Tesla is more or less the preeminent battery supplier. >> > Tesla will eventually benefit a great deal on the battery sales front, but >> > they can't keep up with their own demand yet, let alone the auto industry >> > as a whole. >> > >> > All in all, EV manufacturing is still NOT a zero sum game. It is not >> > engraved in stone that Tesla will survive when the ministry as a whole >> > decides to go all in. But Tesla is doing far better at scratching out a >> > place for itself than was predictable. Tesla is very disruptive, but still >> > squash-able. I am very grateful for their pushing the tech forward and >> > making EVs interesting. I hope they don't get squashed before EVs are well >> > established. >> > >> >> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 10:54 PM paul dove via EV >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> They want to have lower emission standards on their trucks and SUVs so it >> >> will lower the cost and increase profits to supplement their electric >> >> vehicle programs. Same thing as a bailout. What does that do to companies >> >> like Tesla. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On Oct 26, 2018, at 10:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I appreciate the cynicism, but I find no evidence of that. >> >>> >> >>> That article is old, but I suspect that the data still applies. It says >> >> nothing about a government bailout. >> >>> >> >>> So they are losing money on the Bolt. The Prius lost money for 10 years, >> >> but is Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for the long game, >> >> and have been investing in both types of EVs. >> >>> >> >>> - Mark >> > > > -- > Michael E. Ross > (919) 585-6737 Land > (919) 901-2805 Cell and Text > (919) 576-0824 Tablet, Google Phone and Text > > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181027/6317902c/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo
I agree on everything except on the characterization of Tesla as preeminent battery supplier. What about BYD? Others? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 27, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > In the grand schema Tesla is just a tiny contributor to the global > population of autos. Every thing the established manufacturers do to lag > them will benefit them. I think it is all good for Tesla if they have less > pressure. > > Don't forget that Tesla is more or less the preeminent battery supplier. > Tesla will eventually benefit a great deal on the battery sales front, but > they can't keep up with their own demand yet, let alone the auto industry > as a whole. > > All in all, EV manufacturing is still NOT a zero sum game. It is not > engraved in stone that Tesla will survive when the ministry as a whole > decides to go all in. But Tesla is doing far better at scratching out a > place for itself than was predictable. Tesla is very disruptive, but still > squash-able. I am very grateful for their pushing the tech forward and > making EVs interesting. I hope they don't get squashed before EVs are well > established. > >> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 10:54 PM paul dove via EV wrote: >> >> They want to have lower emission standards on their trucks and SUVs so it >> will lower the cost and increase profits to supplement their electric >> vehicle programs. Same thing as a bailout. What does that do to companies >> like Tesla. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 26, 2018, at 10:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz >> wrote: >>> >>> I appreciate the cynicism, but I find no evidence of that. >>> >>> That article is old, but I suspect that the data still applies. It says >> nothing about a government bailout. >>> >>> So they are losing money on the Bolt. The Prius lost money for 10 years, >> but is Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for the long game, >> and have been investing in both types of EVs. >>> >>> - Mark ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo
The gigafactory doubles global production. That should do it, but they are building more. On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 2:58 PM Mark Abramowitz wrote: > I agree on everything except on the characterization of Tesla as > preeminent battery supplier. What about BYD? Others? > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > > > On Oct 27, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Michael Ross via EV > wrote: > > > > In the grand schema Tesla is just a tiny contributor to the global > > population of autos. Every thing the established manufacturers do to lag > > them will benefit them. I think it is all good for Tesla if they have > less > > pressure. > > > > Don't forget that Tesla is more or less the preeminent battery supplier. > > Tesla will eventually benefit a great deal on the battery sales front, > but > > they can't keep up with their own demand yet, let alone the auto industry > > as a whole. > > > > All in all, EV manufacturing is still NOT a zero sum game. It is not > > engraved in stone that Tesla will survive when the ministry as a whole > > decides to go all in. But Tesla is doing far better at scratching out a > > place for itself than was predictable. Tesla is very disruptive, but > still > > squash-able. I am very grateful for their pushing the tech forward and > > making EVs interesting. I hope they don't get squashed before EVs are > well > > established. > > > >> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 10:54 PM paul dove via EV > wrote: > >> > >> They want to have lower emission standards on their trucks and SUVs so > it > >> will lower the cost and increase profits to supplement their electric > >> vehicle programs. Same thing as a bailout. What does that do to > companies > >> like Tesla. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Oct 26, 2018, at 10:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I appreciate the cynicism, but I find no evidence of that. > >>> > >>> That article is old, but I suspect that the data still applies. It says > >> nothing about a government bailout. > >>> > >>> So they are losing money on the Bolt. The Prius lost money for 10 > years, > >> but is Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for the long > game, > >> and have been investing in both types of EVs. > >>> > >>> - Mark > > -- Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 901-2805 Cell and Text (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Tablet, Google Phone and Text -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181027/ebdd5ec9/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
Yes, I saw the price, and the performance, and the stick shift. It looked practical to me for that purpose (though out of my price range). You don’t think the girls would think it’s cool? C’mon dad. It would be a great birthday present. ;-) - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 27, 2018, at 11:35 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV > wrote: > > Did you see the price? Not practical. Lawrence Rhodes > > From: Mark Abramowitz > To: Lawrence Rhodes ; Electric Vehicle Discussion > List > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 11:15 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars > > Didn’t Bruce just post an article about a converted Corvette that left the > stick shift in?! > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > >> On Oct 27, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV >> wrote: >> >> We live in San Francisco. Having a vehicle for each driver/task is not >> practical mostly because of miniscule parking space/expensive insurance & >> cost. We all need to drive a hundred miles from time to time...or more so 2 >> Leafs and a 1995 Honda Civic(Cars don't rust here) is what we have. If a >> pickup or van was electric we would loose a Leaf or the Civic and get that >> depending on budget. I can't get my son to drive the Leaf for anything but >> Lyft. He says the girls think it's cool he can drive a >> sticksheeshLawrence Rhodes >> >> >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181027/21c5bbb3/attachment.html> >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181027/d417956f/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
Didn’t Bruce just post an article about a converted Corvette that left the stick shift in?! - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 27, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > We live in San Francisco. Having a vehicle for each driver/task is not > practical mostly because of miniscule parking space/expensive insurance & > cost. We all need to drive a hundred miles from time to time...or more so 2 > Leafs and a 1995 Honda Civic(Cars don't rust here) is what we have. If a > pickup or van was electric we would loose a Leaf or the Civic and get that > depending on budget. I can't get my son to drive the Leaf for anything but > Lyft. He says the girls think it's cool he can drive a > sticksheeshLawrence Rhodes > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181027/21c5bbb3/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo
› electric cars
> >>> 51 mins ago
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> >>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ...
> >>> www.techheadlines.us › electric cars
> >>> 51 mins ago
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> >>> [dated]
> >>> Trump's rollback could zap California's electric car industry ...
> >>>
> https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article215984510.html
> >>> Aug 2, 2018
> >>>
> >>> Trump is going after California's clean car mandate | TechCrunch
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> https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/.../trump-is-going-after-californias-clean-car-mandate.
> ..
> >>> Jul 23, 2018
> >>>
> >>> California wants more electric cars. The Trump administration doesn't
> ...
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> www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-fuel-standards-fight-20180202-story.html
> >>> Feb 2, 2018
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> >>> Electric Vehicles: Government Mandates Threaten Customers ...
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Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo
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>>>>>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate
>>>>>> October 25, 2018 Automaker pitches U.S. rule to spur more EV sales
>>>>>> through
>>>>>> 2030 ... GM says a nationwide program could put 7 million long-range
>>>>>> electric cars on the road and slash 375 million tons of carbon dioxide
>>>>>> emissions by 2030, compared with existing zero-emission vehicle mandates
>>>>>> ...
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> GM Wants Trump Administration To Back National Electric Vehicle ...
>>>>>> International Business Times-31 minutes ago
>>>>>> General Motors Co said on Friday it wants the Trump administration to
>>>>>> back a
>>>>>> nationwide program to boost the sale of zero emission vehicles like
>>>>>> electric
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate
>>>>>> Bloomberg-42 minutes ago
>>>>>> The Trump administration wants to end California's requirement for
>>>>>> automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year. America's
>>>>>> biggest automaker has ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GM proposes nationwide zero-emissions vehicle sales mandate
>>>>>> WHSV-1 hour ago
>>>>>> California sets the requirements based on a complex formula that
>>>>>> considers
>>>>>> the total number of vehicles sold by an automaker and gives credits for
>>>>>> fully electric ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> General Motors CEO: We call for federal electric and zero-emission ...
>>>>>> USA TODAY-1 hour ago
>>>>>> It will create jobs through the expansion of battery and electric vehicle
>>>>>> research and development and production, improve the environment and make
>>>>>> electric ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=Breaks+With+Trump+in+Call+for+National+Electric+Car+Mandate
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2 hours ago - The Trump administration wants to end California's
>>>>>> requirement
>>>>>> for automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year.
>>>>>> America's
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ...
>>>>>> www.wiredfocus.com › electric cars
>>>>>> 51 mins ago
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>>>>>> GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ...
>>>>>> www.techheadlines.us › electric cars
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>>>>>> [dated]
>>>>>> Trump's rollback could zap California's electric car industry ...
>>>>>> https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article215984510.html
>>>>>> Aug 2, 2018
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>>>>>> Trump is going after California's clean car mandate | TechCrunch
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>>>>>> Jul 23, 2018
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>>>>>> California wants more electric cars. The Trump administration doesn't ...
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: Did you see the price? Not practical. Lawrence Rhodes Who buys Corvettes because they're "practical"? -- Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple, reliable, straightforward, readily available, easy to use, and affordable. 2. Not what the salesman wants you to buy. -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
Did you see the price? Not practical. Lawrence Rhodes From: Mark Abramowitz To: Lawrence Rhodes ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars Didn’t Bruce just post an article about a converted Corvette that left the stick shift in?! - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 27, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > We live in San Francisco. Having a vehicle for each driver/task is not > practical mostly because of miniscule parking space/expensive insurance & > cost. We all need to drive a hundred miles from time to time...or more so 2 > Leafs and a 1995 Honda Civic(Cars don't rust here) is what we have. If a > pickup or van was electric we would loose a Leaf or the Civic and get that > depending on budget. I can't get my son to drive the Leaf for anything but > Lyft. He says the girls think it's cool he can drive a > sticksheeshLawrence Rhodes > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181027/21c5bbb3/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181027/d417956f/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: I can't get my son to drive the Leaf for anything but Lyft. He says the girls think it's cool he can drive a sticksheesh... Well, Duh! My son is the same way. He thinks our Leaf and Prius are lame-o geek-mobiles, and so always drives our pickup. He too has TB (Teenage Brain disorder). You have to understand the teenage brain. You should have gotten some gas-hog SUV or big pickup truck; then your son would hate them and insist on driving something as much different from dad's cars as possible... like a Leaf or Prius. :-) -- Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple, reliable, straightforward, readily available, easy to use, and affordable. 2. Not what the salesman wants you to buy. -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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I have a battery pack with 7 pouches 25.6vdc 11ah. It would take 21 of these to replace. Is it worth it at 10 dollars each? https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/for/d/efest-purple-4212-imrmah-37v/6704892675.html Is this chemistry obsolete? Seems it was in use 10 or more years ago. These cells may be a decade old or new. I can't tell. I am using the pack(2) on my Zuumer. The only place I know where that have taken off is in San Diego. The police and EMT use them. I am reluctant to use 24 volts as I suspect I may not get the full use of the battery before the controller cuts off due to low voltage. I don't have a manual so I'm not sure. I did get the Zuumer working on 4 lead acid 12 volt batteries but not much success. Maybe I could use another chemistry but I'd like it to fit in the two containers that came with the scooter due to space considerations. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181027/b9a1c0bd/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVent: Bayou EVs &free-gumbo @EVSE fundraiser 10/28 12–8p Lafayette-LA
On 10/26/18 10:00 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: https://kadn.com/bayou-electric-vehicles-hosts-plugging-in-fundraiser-this-sunday/ Bayou Electric Vehicles hosts “Plugging In” fundraiser this Sunday October 26th, 2018 Rain Augustine There is a good chance that I will run over there tonight/tomorrow in my new Model 3. [image https://s3.amazonaws.com/kadn-com/img/2018/10/26174445/plugging-in.png ] LAFAYETTE, LA – October 26, 2018 – Bayou Electric Vehicles [ https://www.bayouev.org/ I notice a Bob Keeland mentioned on the above website. Would that be our Bobby Keeland? If so, I'd be willing to arrive a bit early if I can be of any help. I'll be seeking out good Cajun places. Perhaps that's redundant. I'd offer Bruce a ride if I thought he would be up for two eight hour stints. Plus almost certainly an overnight at some unspecified place. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article215984510.html
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Trump is going after California's clean car mandate | TechCrunch
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California wants more electric cars. The Trump administration
doesn't ...
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Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 hours ago - The Trump administration wants to end California's
>>>>> requirement
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
We live in San Francisco. Having a vehicle for each driver/task is not practical mostly because of miniscule parking space/expensive insurance & cost. We all need to drive a hundred miles from time to time...or more so 2 Leafs and a 1995 Honda Civic(Cars don't rust here) is what we have. If a pickup or van was electric we would loose a Leaf or the Civic and get that depending on budget. I can't get my son to drive the Leaf for anything but Lyft. He says the girls think it's cool he can drive a sticksheeshLawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181027/21c5bbb3/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo
I’m not following you. Lower emission standards are MORE costly, right? Even if not, I can see how you want to call it a bailout, but I guess that’s the case with any regulatory scheme. But I never hear it called a bailout. As far as Tesla, it’s hard to say the impact. Up until a certain point, the more folks out there with the new technology, everybody benefits. At some point (have we reached it yet?), these things make a difference in the opposite direction. But this is what we want, isn’t it? We’ve put in lots of incentives for electric drive, and gee, companies are taking advantage of them! Weakening of other standards is another story. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 26, 2018, at 9:36 AM, paul dove wrote: > > Read between the lines. They want to have lower emission standards on their > trucks and SUVs so it will lower the cost and increase profits to supplement > their electric vehicle programs. Same thing as a bailout. What does that do > to companies like Tesla. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 26, 2018, at 10:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz wrote: >> >> I appreciate the cynicism, but I find no evidence of that. >> >> That article is old, but I suspect that the data still applies. It says >> nothing about a government bailout. >> >> So they are losing money on the Bolt. The Prius lost money for 10 years, but >> is Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for the long game, and >> have been investing in both types of EVs. >> >> - Mark >> >> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone >> >>> On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:04 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote: >>> >>> Of course they do because they are losing money on the bolt. Need another >>> government bailout. >>> https://www.inverse.com/article/32239-why-gm-loses-money-chevy-bolt >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:03 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-26/gm-breaks-with-trump-in-call-for-national-electric-car-mandate GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate October 25, 2018 Automaker pitches U.S. rule to spur more EV sales through 2030 ... GM says a nationwide program could put 7 million long-range electric cars on the road and slash 375 million tons of carbon dioxide emissions by 2030, compared with existing zero-emission vehicle mandates ... GM Wants Trump Administration To Back National Electric Vehicle ... International Business Times-31 minutes ago General Motors Co said on Friday it wants the Trump administration to back a nationwide program to boost the sale of zero emission vehicles like electric ... GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate Bloomberg-42 minutes ago The Trump administration wants to end California's requirement for automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year. America's biggest automaker has ... GM proposes nationwide zero-emissions vehicle sales mandate WHSV-1 hour ago California sets the requirements based on a complex formula that considers the total number of vehicles sold by an automaker and gives credits for fully electric ... General Motors CEO: We call for federal electric and zero-emission ... USA TODAY-1 hour ago It will create jobs through the expansion of battery and electric vehicle research and development and production, improve the environment and make electric ... https://www.google.com/search?q=Breaks+With+Trump+in+Call+for+National+Electric+Car+Mandate 2 hours ago - The Trump administration wants to end California's requirement for automakers to sell more electric cars in the state each year. America's ... GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ... www.wiredfocus.com › electric cars 51 mins ago GM Breaks With Trump in Call for National Electric Car Mandate ... www.techheadlines.us › electric cars 51 mins ago [dated] Trump's rollback could zap California's electric car industry ... https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article215984510.html Aug 2, 2018 Trump is going after California's clean car mandate | TechCrunch https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/.../trump-is-going-after-californias-clean-car-mandate... Jul 23, 2018 California wants more electric cars. The Trump administration doesn't ... www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-fuel-standards-fight-20180202-story.html Feb 2, 2018 Electric Vehicles: Government Mandates Threaten Customers ... https://www.nationalreview.com/.../electric-cars-government-mandates-threaten-custo... Feb 26, 2018 For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: http://evdl.org/archive/ >>>
