Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?

[Cor van de Water via EV]

 quick responses)
> 
>> On 12/26/2018 4:09 PM, ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org wrote:
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 20:53:47 + (UTC)
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>> To:ev@lists.evdl.org
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>> California uses mostly hydro at night.? There are natural gas plants for 
>> high demand.? I think that is how it works or should work.? Lawrence Rhodes
> 
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[EVDL] 14k Volt-pih jobs cut= quiet-death rip> GM sold only enough 2lead

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[off-t]
https://www.wired.com/story/chevy-volt-obituary-oral-history/
Farewell, Chevy Volt: An Oral History of the Plug-In Hybrid
12.26.18  Alex Davies

[images  
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A decade ago, the plug-in hybrid Chevrolet Volt was the signal to the
country and the world that General Motors might have run out of money, but
it still had ideas and engineering talent  / General Motors

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"I think the Volt has probably reached its natural conclusion," says
superfan Jeff U'Ren. "You know we really love our 2018 Bolt."  / General
Motors
]

The death of the Chevrolet Volt [pih] was a quiet one. It came in early
December amid news that General Motors was cutting 14,000 jobs, closing
three assembly plants, and also ending production of the Chevy Cruze and
Impala, the Buick LaCrosse, and the Cadillac CT6. It made sense: Sales have
been slowing, Americans aren’t buying compact cars or sedans anymore, and GM
is repositioning itself for a future that includes both bigger vehicles and
many more electrics.

A decade ago, the Volt, a plug-in hybrid, was the signal to the country and
the world that General Motors might have run out of money, but it still had
ideas and engineering talent. But it was ultimately eclipsed by GM’s
successful launch of the Bolt EV—the $37,500 all-electric car that beat
Tesla’s Model 3 to market.

The idea for the Volt came largely from GM bigwig Bob Lutz in 2006. He was
tired of hearing praise for Toyota’s hybrid Prius and chatter about some
upstart called Tesla run by a guy with a funny name. He wanted GM to prove
it could still be innovative, even if it had been embarrassed by its killing
of the small-volume but much beloved EV1, the fully electric two-seater it
developed in the mid-90s. The Volt was a compact, four-seat car that could
drive about 40 miles on a fully charged battery, then run a gasoline-powered
generator to stay on the road.

To take a look back at the story and legacy of the Volt, we spoke with
people who knew it intimately: Tony Posawatz, the high-level GM exec pulled
out of the trucks division to shepherd the Volt into existence; Chelsea
Sexton, who worked on the EV1 program, then started a career advocating for
electric cars; John Voelcker, the journalist running Green Car Reports at
the time; and Jeff U’Ren, who has had four Volts to date, and runs a
Facebook group for his fellow owners. Interviews have been edited for length
and clarity.

A New Beginning

Tony Posawatz: I was planning director for GM’s full-sized truck business,
which at the time was probably a Fortune 25 business: seven assembly plants
in North America, 1.7 million units of capacity. I had also done work on
hybrids. General Motors was having some serious discussions to say OK, we we
need to step out and show our technical acumen, vis-a-vis the Toyota Prius.
The Volt worked because it was an architecture for a product that had a
lithium-ion battery in the middle, electricity generating capability in the
front, and additional storage in the back, whether a gas tank or a tank for
compressed hydrogen. We always realized that for different markets, the
battery may grow or shrink, the extended range feature may be removed or
not, depending on what the customers wanted and needed. And that's how we
sold it within the company.

Chelsea Sexton: I worked on the EV1 program, then left the company when the
alternative was, “You can apply to work on the next iteration of another
Buick or something.” I worked on the first Automotive X Prize, helped found
Plug In America, and worked on documentaries about EVs. Who Killed the
Electric Car hit Sundance in January 2006 and we did a press tour that
spring. Chris Payne, the director, and I were standing on a street corner in
Minneapolis when a reporter called and said, “What do you think about the
idea that GM is doing another electric car?” Chris and I said, “We’ll
believe it when we see it.” So GM invited us to Detroit. We actually did one
of those weird smoky room dinners in December 2006, about a month before the
Detroit auto show, at a backroom table, with a laptop showing us the Volt.

John Voelcker: I saw the concept at the 2007 Detroit auto show, and came to
understand fairly quickly that this was not done out of touchy feely, save
the earth, worry-about-carbon motives at all. This was about Bob Lutz
saying, “Toyota has gotten all of this unfair credit for the Prius and for
being green. They're working hard to sell a full line including full size
pickup trucks like us. But we're the bad guys because we killed the EV1.”
This was 

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

We’ve made incredible progress over just the last few years in greening the 
grid. 

By 2045, it should be 100% renewable. By 2030, transportation hydrogen should 
be 100% renewable.

(BTW, if you think that nothing else has changed in hydrogen technology in the 
last several years, there is something wrong with your sources)

- Mark

Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Darryl McMahon via EV  wrote:
> 
> We don't have to guess at the California electricity mix.
> 
> https://www.energy.ca.gov/almanac/electricity_data/total_system_power.html
> 
> (rounding to nearest percent for simplicity)
> 
> 29% from renewables other than large hydro
> 
> 15% from large hydro
> 
> 9% from nuclear (not renewable, but reasonably low emissions impact from an 
> existing plant - final disposition of spent fuel still to be solved)
> 
> 4% from coal
> 
> 34% from natural gas (fossil)
> 
> 9% unidentified
> 
> That's what shows up on the grid.  It does not include those producing 
> off-grid, or generating for in-house use (e.g. household PV used behind the 
> meter).
> 
> Greener grid means greener EV use.
> 
> As for using hydrogen as a transportation fuel for light vehicles in typical 
> missions (commuting, errand running, occasional longer trips), I looked into 
> this early in this century, and kept some track since. Things have not 
> changed much on the technology side in the intervening period for hydrogen 
> vehicles, other than using bigger storage at higher pressure.
> 
> Darryl McMahon
> Author, award-winning book: The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy (2006)
> (on digest mode, so don't expect quick responses)
> 
>> On 12/26/2018 4:09 PM, ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org wrote:
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 20:53:47 + (UTC)
>> From: Lawrence Rhodes
>> To:ev@lists.evdl.org
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?
>> Message-ID:<1956029850.2785592.1545857627...@mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> California uses mostly hydro at night.? There are natural gas plants for 
>> high demand.? I think that is how it works or should work.? Lawrence Rhodes
> 
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20181228

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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-spied-HMC-Jazz-EV-on-roads-in-tp4692325.html
EVLN: (spied)> HMC Jazz EV on roads.in
Honda Jazz EV spied on Indian roads
22 - Dec - 2018  Honda is reportedly working on a Jazz EV for the Chinese
market. ... Indian roads because Honda had earlier mentioned plans of
launching an electric vehicle ...
https://static.digit.in/default/c0c6f8faeaa3c3a1735fb9c3f880a3894962a7c3.jpeg


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-2019-Leaf-EV-Launch-In-Thailand-India-Asia-Oceania-tp4692326.html
EVLN: 2019 Leaf EV Launch In Thailand, India, Asia &Oceania
Nissan Leaf EV Arrives In Thailand Ahead Of India Launch Next Year
Dec 20, 2018  Deliveries of Leaf EV will begin from April 2019 onwards in
Thailand as Nissan ... Nissan has recently introduced the Leaf electric
vehicle in Thailand with prices ...
https://gaadiwaadi.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/India-Bound-Nissan-Leaf-Revealed.jpg


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https://sg.news.yahoo.com/bentley-admits-losing-customers-porsche-12059.html
Bentley admits it's losing customers to Porsche and Tesla
21 December 2018  Bentley, though, hopes the eventuality of its own
electric-vehicle will eventually allow it to win over the “upper liberal”
and “post-modern” crowds from its German ...
http://media.zenfs.com/en-GB/homerun/motor1_uk_340/bec16587a316bb792c09dbd28c1de1c0


https://www.livemint.com/Auto/FanOcWqsbyyOkl2xlRrBKO/Hyundai-to-open-car-plant-in-Indonesia-for-electric-cars.html
Hyundai to open car plant in Indonesia for electric cars
Dec 21 2018  Jakarta/Seoul: Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd plans to start producing
electric cars in Indonesia as part of an around $880 million auto investment
in the country, the ...
https://www.livemint.com/rf/Image-621x414/LiveMint/Period2/2018/12/22/Photos/Processed/hyundai-klng--621x...@livemint.jpg


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/spied-e-drone-flyover-Tesla-Lathrop-CA-EV-distribution-v-tp4692302.html
(spied, e-drone flyover)> Tesla Lathrop-CA EV distribution (v)
Tesla’s new Lathrop site nears completion amid Elon Musk’s Q4 Model 3 push
December 23, 2018 The new Lathrop site's progress comes amidst the electric
car maker's efforts to produce and deliver as many vehicles to customers
before the end of December ...
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https://gaadiwaadi.com/nissan-leaf-ev-arrives-in-thailand-india-launch-likely-in-2019/
Nissan Leaf EV Arrives In Thailand Ahead Of India Launch Next Year 
Dec 20, 2018  Surendhar M

[images  
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]

Deliveries of Leaf EV will begin from April 2019 onwards in Thailand as
Nissan expands its reach in Asia and Oceania region 

Nissan has recently introduced the Leaf electric vehicle in Thailand with
prices starting at 1,990,000 Thai baht (Approx Rs. 42.53 lakh). Having
presented the globally popular EV at the Thailand International Motor Expo
2018, deliveries will commence from April next year onwards. 

The market debut in Thailand is part of Nissan’s plans to launch the Leaf EV
in seven countries in the Asian and Oceania region through this year. They
are Australia, Hong Kong, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore, South Korea and
Thailand with Indonesia and Philippines being considered. 

Customers can pre-book the Nissan Leaf, which comes with standard 3-year/1
lakh km warranty. The EV system warranty is for 5-year/1 lakh km and the
battery deterioration warranty for 8-year/ 1,60,000 km. It will offered
across 33 certified dealerships in Thailand. India-Bound Nissan Leaf
Revealed 1 The 

Japanese manufacturer announced its intentions to launch premium products in
the Indian market and that the e-Power as well as Leaf are definitely under
consideration. Nissan showcased the Leaf EV several times already in India
including the MOVE Summit 2018. 

It will reportedly be on display at Nissan’s Digital Hub in Kerala as well.
Expect it to commercially arrive in the second half of 2019. It is to be
noted that the company is all pumped to launch the India-spec Kicks SUV in
mid January. The Leaf could act as a technology showcase for Nissan just as
Kona EV for Hyundai (launching in mid 2019). 

The second generation Nissan Leaf measures 4,480 mm long, 1,790 mm wide and
stands 1,540 mm tall with 2,700 mm wheelbase. It uses a EM57 electric motor
to produce150 PS and 320 Nm of peak torque. 

The 40 kWh lithium-ion battery pack takes up to 16 hours to fully charge
using a 3 kW charger and the time is reduced to half using a 6 kW charger.
However, using a fast charger 80% can be achieved in just 40 minutes. In
JC08 cycle, it has a cruising range of close to km on a single charge.
[© gaadiwaadi.com]


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Hyundai to open car plant in Indonesia for electric cars
Dec 21 2018  Jakarta/Seoul: Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd plans to start producing
electric cars in Indonesia as part of an around $880 million auto investment
in the country, the ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: (spied)> HMC Jazz EV on roads.in

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https://www.digit.in/car-tech/honda-jazz-ev-spied-on-indian-roads-45449.html
Honda Jazz EV spied on Indian roads
22 - Dec - 2018  Vignesh Giridharan

[images  / Cartoq
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]

Honda is reportedly working on a Jazz EV for the Chinese market. We wonder
if it will make it to Indian shores as well.

Hardcore EV fans will remember the Jazz EV (otherwise known as the Fit EV)
that Honda leased out to customers in Japan and the US back in 2012. It was
quite simply a modified version of the first-gen Jazz that we had in India
till 2014. One of those rare pieces was spotted in New Delhi just yesterday.
Considering how Honda is reportedly working on an all new Jazz for the
Chinese market, there’s a good chance India might get some electric action
as well. At the moment, Honda Cars India has confirmed no such plans.

The Honda Jazz EV in question was spotted on the Delhi-Noida Direct (DND)
Flyway, an expressway connecting two major cities in the National Capital
Region, India. It was reported by Cartoq yesterday. In the spy shot, the car
is seen bearing an Indian number plate. The car is most likely on test on
Indian roads because Honda had earlier mentioned plans of launching an
electric vehicle in India by 2023 or 2024.

There’s no official word from Honda on plans of launching the Jazz EV in
India. When or if it launches, we imagine it will cost upwards of Rs 12
lakh. Some reports suggest it will be priced around Rs 16 lakh, which is
double the price for the outgoing petrol-powered Jazz. Even though the Jazz
EV has been spotted on test here, we reckon Honda will use what it learns
from the tests to build something more specifically for India. In other
words, it needn’t be an electric-only car at all. Honda could well launch a
hybrid hatchback that seats four and has some luggage space.

Honda’s first attempt at selling a hybrid in India was met with lukewarm
enthusiasm from customers. The Japanese automotive giant launched the Civic
Hybrid in 2008 as an imported CBU at over Rs 20 lakh (owing to the
104-percent import duty) with a plan to sell more than 400 units in its
first year. When the company realised soon after that the car had very few
takers, it was forced to slash the price of the car by nearly half its
starting price to clear out remaining stocks. We hope Honda’s second attempt
at selling hybrids and electrics in India is more successful.
[© digit.in]


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Bentley admits it's losing customers to Porsche and Tesla
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electric-vehicle will eventually allow it to win over the “upper liberal”
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20181227

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EVLN: Penske Truck Leasing Daimler Freightliner eM2 e-Trucks
Daimler Delivers Electric eM2 Truck to Penske Truck Leasing
December 20, 2018  Daimler Trucks North America on Dec. 20 delivered the
first vehicle in its new Electric Innovation Fleet to Penske Truck Leasing
in Carson, California, the result ...
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-PV-EV-efficiency-record-4-100-km-Australian-trip-tp4692323.html
EVLN: PV-EV efficiency record> 4,100 km Australian trip
Dec. 17th 2018  Of course this isn't the UNSW team's first electric or
solar-powered car. Violet is the sixth generation vehicle produced by the
student team. This generation of ...
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https://insideevs.com/volvo-new-vera-electric-semi-truck-video/
Volvo Releases New Vera Electric Semi Truck Video
Dec 21, 2018  Volvo has everything it takes to succeed in the electric,
autonomous semi truck market. While it may be years before Tesla brings its
all-electric semi truck to ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKAm8sAkvcg


https://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/nissan-switches-huge-crowd-funded-solar-roof-dutch-car-plant/
Nissan switches on huge, crowd-funded solar roof at Dutch car plant
December 19, 2018  Nissan switches on huge, crowd-funded solar roof at Dutch
car plant ... Notably, the automaker – which produces one of the world's
top-selling electric vehicles, the ... system at the Johan Cruijff Arena
using 148 Nissan used LEAF EV batteries ...
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Another-Big-Oil-Attempt-to-Kill-EVs-v-tp4692295.html
Another Big Oil Attempt to Kill EVs (v)
Big Oil Makes A New Attempt To Kill Electric Cars
2018-12-23  Electric vehicles are getting close to a major tipping point,
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[EVDL] EVLN: PV-EV efficiency record> 4,100 km Australian trip

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https://electrek.co/2018/12/17/solar-powered-car-breaks-record/
Solar-powered car breaks world record in efficiency during 4,100 km
Australian trip
Dec. 17th 2018  Micah Toll

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Record setting solar-powered car

https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/12/sunswift-solar-powered-car-2.jpg
solar-powered car
]

As advancements are made in both photovoltaic technology and solar-powered
car design, efficiency rates have been skyrocketing. Nowhere has this been
more apparent, or exciting, than in the field of solar-powered racing.

A team from the University of NSW just obliterated the previous
solar-powered car efficiency record. The students crossed Australia from
Perth to Sydney on just $50 worth of electricity.

UNSW (University of New South Wales) students on the Sunswift team built the
solar-powered electric car with the goal of breaking the previous 5.5
kWh/100 km record.

They ended up blowing well past their goal, using just 3.25 kWh/100 km.
That’s around 25 times more efficient than an average car in the US (at 25
MPGe) and nearly 5 times more efficient than a Tesla Model 3 (at 170 MPG).

The solar-powered car, affectionately named ‘Violet’ by the team, traveled
the 4,100 km (2,550 miles) in 6 days, averaging around 600 km (370 mi) and
20-24 kWh per day. Not too shabby considering the on-board storage battery
is only rated for 10-20 kWh and the team charged solely by solar power.

To put that in perspective, I’ve paid more for a single tank of gas than the
cost of electricity used by this car to cross an entire continent.

The team faced an uphill battle to achieve their record, according to Create
Digital. Obstacles along the journey included both a battery fire and a rear
suspension failure, making the feat even more impressive. Yet despite the
setbacks, the team reached the finish line 2 days ahead of schedule.

According to the mechanical team leader and mechanical engineering student
Courtney Morris:

“It’s always so nerve-racking to see the car that you built with your
own hands on the road. I’m always afraid that something could change at any
moment, but it all went pretty well and the team dynamic was great.”

Of course this isn’t the UNSW team’s first electric or solar-powered car.
Violet is the sixth generation vehicle produced by the student team. This
generation of vehicle was designed to be the most practical yet.

The solar-powered car eschews previous wedge and sliver-shaped solar-powered
race car designs in favor of a more standard sedan-style with four doors.
Violet even includes a front and rear trunk, interactive screen controls,
parking sensor aids and a backup camera. That last feature is pretty
important – considering the solar-powered car lacks a conventional rear
window which would hog valuable solar panel space.

The car itself is built on a carbon fiber chassis to save weight. The entire
vehicle weighs just 360 kg (794 lb) without a driver. It features 318
mono-crystalline photovoltaic cells covering 5 square meters (54 square
feet) of the hood, roof and trunk lid. And these aren’t your standard Amazon
solar panels. Violet’s cells are rated with an efficiency of approximately
22%.

Power is provided by two rear-wheel hub motors that propel the solar-powered
car to a maximum of 140 km/h (87 mph). The car generally cruises a bit
slower though for higher efficiency. As the team likes to illustrate:

“When Violet is coasting at 60km/h, she uses the same amount of energy
as a 4 slice toaster.”

A bright future in solar-powered cars

Advancements in the solar-powered vehicle industry are constantly
developing, and not only limited to cars. Solar powered electric bicycle
races covering well over 10,000 km are demonstrating the capability of
high-efficiency panels and low consumption vehicles.

Solar powered pedal cars such as the PEBL and ELF are capable of recharging
themselves in just a day or two of good sunlight, meaning recharging from
the grid could become nearly unnecessary for many users.

And conventional cars are getting into the solar game too. Hyundai and Kia
unveiled solar cell-covered roofs on their own electric vehicles that can
help trickle charge those vehicles’ batteries…or at least keep the vampire
drain at bay.

While you aren’t likely to see large numbers of solar-powered cars on your
local streets soon, recent advancements bode well for the future of
solar-powered transportation.
[© electrek.co]


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Nissan switches on huge, crowd-funded solar roof at Dutch car plant
December 19, 2018  Nissan switches on huge, crowd-funded solar roof at Dutch
car plant ... Notably, the automaker – which produces one of the world's
top-selling electric vehicles, the ... syst

[EVDL] EVLN: Penske Truck Leasing Daimler Freightliner eM2 e-Trucks

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://www.truckinginfo.com/321715/daimler-delivers-electric-em2-truck-to-penske-truck-leasing
Daimler Delivers Electric eM2 Truck to Penske Truck Leasing
December 20, 2018  Steven Martinez

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The eM2 is based on the Freightliner M2 106 medium-duty truck

https://fleetimages.bobitstudios.com/upload/trucking-info/content/news/equipment/daimler-em2-electric1-__-720x479-a.jpg
A man in a green Santa suit and members of the Daimler team loaded small
trees onto ane eM2 bound for the hills that were burned in Los Angeles's
recent wildfires

https://fleetimages.bobitstudios.com/upload/trucking-info/content/news/equipment/daimler-em2-electric3-__-720x479-a.jpg
The engine bay is nearly empty on the eM2. The actual electric motor is
located underneath the vehicle toward the rear axle

https://fleetimages.bobitstudios.com/upload/trucking-info/content/news/equipment/daimler-em2-electric-__-720x479-a.jpg
Daimler Trucks North America delivered the its Freightliner eM2 electric
truck to Penske Truck Leasing on Dec. 20. DTNA president and CEO Roger
Nielsen (pictured) spoke at the event
]

Daimler Trucks North America on Dec. 20 delivered the first vehicle in its
new Electric Innovation Fleet to Penske Truck Leasing in Carson, California,
the result of a nine-month collaboration between the two companies to
produce and test electric commercial trucks in real-world applications.

The vehicle is an electric version of the Freightliner M2 106 medium-duty
truck, dubbed the Freightliner eM2. The event marked the culmination of a
year of work for Daimler, partially funded by a $16 million grant from
California's South Coast Air Quality Management District, an agency focused
on improving air quality in the ports region of Los Angeles.

DTNA President and CEO Roger Nielsen called it, “a historic step in the
real-world application of electric vehicles. With increased hauling demands
and regulatory pressures, combined with ongoing concerns over energy
resource depletion, it is more important than ever that DTNA continues to
rigorously test and research electric vehicle solutions together with our
customers,” said Nielsen, who was on hand to deliver the keys to Penske CEO
Brian Hard.

Penske plans to take on an additional nine eM2 trucks as well as 10 of the
Class 8 Freightliner eCascadia model, which will be launched next year. The
company will offer the electric trucks to customers to use in regular
service for one to two years.

The electric trucks won’t be available to all Penske customers, only those
that have an "actual use case" for them. Hard didn’t disclose which of
Penske’s customers were interested in the truck, but said the company has “a
good handle on whom the first customers will be” and that they represent a
broad spectrum of applications.

The reason for the limited offering is that the rollout is not a full launch
of the technology. Daimler referred to the trucks as "Gen 1 vehicles." As
part of Daimler’s e-Mobility initiative, announced earlier this year, the
company intends to use this limited deployment as a real-world testing
ground, with all of the ups and downs of a product that is still very much
in beta phase.

A One-Year Startup Project within Daimler

The Freightliner eM2 project was headed by senior eMobility lead Andreas
Juretzka, who brought together a crack team of engineers to take the concept
of an electric heavy- and medium-duty truck from drawing board to reality in
just a year’s time – an incredibly short period compared to the company’s
usual five-year development time for vehicles.

The eM2 has three large battery packs that straddle the bottom of the
vehicle, providing an expected range of 200 miles. The batteries can be
charged to 80% of capacity within an hour, but need an overnight charge to
completely top off. Rather than selling chargers to each customer, Penske
will have the chargers at its facilities and will provide technicians to
work on the unique vehicles.

Juretzka told HDT that the trucks will be ready to perform and have been
thoroughly tested for safety. He said his team used knowledge they had
coupled with what other companies had done with their electric vehicles –
"We can steal with pride," he told HDT – to produce something that was more
thought-out than just strapping an electric powertrain to an existing truck.
They had to consider all of the components and technologies that tie all the
pieces together – the chassis, the electric motor, the batteries, the air
compressor – to come up with a system that could be as usable as a
traditional truck in certain applications.

The engine was spec'd to meet the power needs of a typical medium-duty truck
in pickup and delivery, local distribution, and food and beverage delivery
service, with 480 peak hp, according to the specs Daimler gave at the
vehicle's announcement in June.

But the batt

[EVDL] Every 1912 woman longs to own an Electric> comfort, convenience, prestige

[brucedp5 via EV]

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Christmas ad from the “Electric Vehicle Association of America” that ran in
the American Journal of Surgery back in 1912  
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American Journal of Surgery

Make This the Happiest Christmas
—Give Your Wife an Electric AN Electric for her very own—
what more enjoyable surprise could your wife receive on Christmas morning?

Every woman longs to own an Electric. Every woman knows the comfort,
convenience and heightened social prestige it gives. Why not make this year
the happiest Christmas? 

Your wife would love to drive about in her own Electric—quiet, fashionable,
simple and safe. She can pay her social calls; do her shopping; attend the
theatre and receptions. You will enjoy the luxury and convenience of it,
too, in paying your professional calls. 

And Christmas is the season of seasons for an Electric. The cold, biting
winds and snow flurries make you feel all the cosier within an Electric.
There is such exhilarating pleasure in gliding noiselessly down the
boulevard, through the park, threading in and out of congested
traffic—quickly, without bother or effort. 

Driving an Electric is simplicity itself—no trouble whatever. Any woman—even
a child—can operate an Electric efficiently. The first cost of an Electric
is decidedly moderate when you consider its lasting, satisfactory service.
Maintenance expense and cost easily, of power is far lower than that for
other types of cars. 

Interesting literature about the Electric Vehicle sent gladly. Write today 

Before you buy any ear —consider the Electric 
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BOSTON   NEW YORK W. 42nd St.   CHICAGO 
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https://insideevs.com/seasons-greetings-merry-christmas-electric-car-fans/
Seasons Greetings And Merry Christmas Electric Car Fans
DEC 25 2018  Matt Pressman

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Christmas ad from the “Electric Vehicle Association of America” that ran in
the American Journal of Surgery back in 1912 (Source: Plugin Sites)

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A special thank you to Elon Musk and the entire staff at Tesla for making
the best cars on — and for — the planet 
(Reddit: taure)
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A Tesla holiday shout-out (Instagram: honey_fay)

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]

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO THE TESLA FAMILY AROUND THE WORLD!

Seasons greetings… and Merry Christmas to all those in the EV community!
Hopefully, you’ve been treated to some great gifts under the Christmas tree
this morning. Our Tesla family is gathered together as well enjoying a sunny
holiday morning here in South Florida. Whether you received a nerdy
Christmas sweater or a dorky dreidel (yeah, I got one) this holiday season,
let’s face it — what you really wanted was something for your Tesla ...

We know what you were really hoping for — a 2020 Tesla Roadster, now! Or, if
you’re already a Tesla owner, a software update beamed to you with full
self-driving capabilities. Or, even better — a new Supercharger station
minutes from your house. But, no dice. Well… there are some merry things you
can do to treat your Tesla. For one, you can spoil your Tesla with a soapy
car wash. Then, snap some holiday family photos with your Model S, 3, or X
afterwards — it is a member of your family after all. Or, perhaps… you can
get a few fun accessories for it.

Okay… what’s the ultimate Tesla gift? Maybe it’s time to head over to your
local Tesla store and buy your loved one their own Tesla! Check out this
classic Christmas ad from the “Electric Vehicle Association of America” that
appeared in 1912. The ad says that the, “cost of an Electric is decidedly
moderate when you consider its lasting, satisfactory service. Maintenance
expense and cost of power is far lower than that for other types of cars.
Before you buy any car – consider the Electric.” Indeed, some things never
change.

In any event, we wanted to send a message of peace and blessings to all
those across the entire Tesla family worldwide. Thanks for your continuing
support, we’re looking forward to an exciting 2019! Looking back at our
amazing experience with the Model 3 already this year, we’re forecasting
2019 as the breakthrough year for Elon Musk and the team. We look forward to
keeping you updated on all the exciting progress at Tesla.
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Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

[Willie via EV]

On 12/26/18 7:02 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:

Certainly good points about infrastructure. But when you look at costs at 
scale, I understand a recent study showed hydrogen to be cheaper, by 3 to 1.


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Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

[Rod Hower via EV]

 "To have a large number of businesses supporting an unknown technology makes 
me suspicious."  That is the best explanation for hydrogen.  

On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎December‎ ‎26‎, ‎2018‎ ‎08‎:‎07‎:‎43‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EST, Mark 
Abramowitz via EV  wrote:  
 
 Certainly good points about infrastructure. But when you look at costs at 
scale, I understand a recent study showed hydrogen to be cheaper, by 3 to 1.

- Mark

Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:
> 
> To be clear, I find fuel cells fascinating technology. I don't know how much 
> potential improvement is possible and I support continuing research to find 
> out.
> 
> That's different from supporting a build out of a hydrogen infrastructure. 
> There is significant cost to do so and, to be effective, it will probably 
> need to be as extensive as the current fueling infrastructure. I suppose one 
> could argue that such infrastructure partially exists already, considering 
> the land and some structures would be repurposed. But that's only part of the 
> cost. We still need to deal with new storage tanks and delivery systems from 
> tank to vehicle. Given that hydrogen is hard to contain and that the current 
> hydrogen infrastructure is essentially zero, this is a huge expense.
> 
> Second, the only method I know to produce hydrogen from non fossil fuel is by 
> cracking water. It's my understanding that it is substantially more efficient 
> to just use the electricity directly to charge a battery. Perhaps, if you 
> take into account the production of the battery you might show that in some 
> cases the fuel cell comes out ahead. But that's with last year's battery 
> technology. Enough progress is being made that I think such arguments will be 
> false if not already false.
> 
> To have a large number of businesses supporting an unknown technology makes 
> me suspicious. This is not an altruistic effort. Sure, support the build out 
> now. Get government money to help. Once all this is built, it will be 
> supplied with non fossil fuel hydrogen. Or not. If not, is that 
> infrastructure just going to sit there? Ha. The pressure to use it, with 
> hydrogen from natural gas, will be unsurmountable. Goals will be crushed and 
> the petrol industry will win.
> 
> So, let's support research. But no build out until we have reasonable 
> evidence of a technology to efficiently produce hydrogen in a sustainable way.
> 
> Peri
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Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

Certainly good points about infrastructure. But when you look at costs at 
scale, I understand a recent study showed hydrogen to be cheaper, by 3 to 1.

- Mark

Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:
> 
> To be clear, I find fuel cells fascinating technology. I don't know how much 
> potential improvement is possible and I support continuing research to find 
> out.
> 
> That's different from supporting a build out of a hydrogen infrastructure. 
> There is significant cost to do so and, to be effective, it will probably 
> need to be as extensive as the current fueling infrastructure. I suppose one 
> could argue that such infrastructure partially exists already, considering 
> the land and some structures would be repurposed. But that's only part of the 
> cost. We still need to deal with new storage tanks and delivery systems from 
> tank to vehicle. Given that hydrogen is hard to contain and that the current 
> hydrogen infrastructure is essentially zero, this is a huge expense.
> 
> Second, the only method I know to produce hydrogen from non fossil fuel is by 
> cracking water. It's my understanding that it is substantially more efficient 
> to just use the electricity directly to charge a battery. Perhaps, if you 
> take into account the production of the battery you might show that in some 
> cases the fuel cell comes out ahead. But that's with last year's battery 
> technology. Enough progress is being made that I think such arguments will be 
> false if not already false.
> 
> To have a large number of businesses supporting an unknown technology makes 
> me suspicious. This is not an altruistic effort. Sure, support the build out 
> now. Get government money to help. Once all this is built, it will be 
> supplied with non fossil fuel hydrogen. Or not. If not, is that 
> infrastructure just going to sit there? Ha. The pressure to use it, with 
> hydrogen from natural gas, will be unsurmountable. Goals will be crushed and 
> the petrol industry will win.
> 
> So, let's support research. But no build out until we have reasonable 
> evidence of a technology to efficiently produce hydrogen in a sustainable way.
> 
> Peri
> 
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Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?

[paul dove via EV]

“Except for the upper stage of a rocket, hydrogen makes no sense,” Elon Musk, 
the parent of the battery-powered Roadster and Model S said in an e-mail 
interview to ScienceFriday.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2018, at 3:38 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Remember how the BEV industry was just 10 years ago, 20 years ago, and 30 
>> years and more ago.
> 
>> Back then, while pushing for years for a ZEV mandate, I heard many of the 
>> same arguments used by the auto and oil companies >about BEVs as I have 
>> heard for several years about hydrogen.
> 
> - Mark
> People smarter than me did the math and it proves that BEV will work very 
> well.  Then the cars were built and it works well.  People smarter than me 
> have also done the math on hydrogen and proven that it does work but at a 
> rate that is more expensive in all respects not to mention metal 
> embrittlement allowing hydrogen to escape and possibly explode. So many 
> problems including hydrogen escape.  Since hydrogen is the smallest particle 
> there is a natural loss.  The hydrogen dead end is so obvious it is troubling 
> that there is a lobby.  Simply hydrogen is a way that the energy stream might 
> be privatized and monetized in favor of the owner not the user as electric 
> is.  Electricity: you can make it yourself, plug in yourself store it 
> yourself.  Hydrogen is financially exorbitant for personal use.  All the same 
> problems that you have with the gasoline economy you have with hydrogen.  
> Why?  Oh yes...range anxiety. Barn muck also works as a fuel source...do you 
> see a horseshit lobby?  Actually there is. So find your niche and stay there. 
>  See if it works but stop trying to take over BEV.  It works.  It will win.  
> Stop the hydrogen diversion. Wishes are not reality. Solar cars are probably 
> the future but so far few believe me. Lawrence Rhodes 
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[EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

[Peri Hartman via EV]

To be clear, I find fuel cells fascinating technology. I don't know how much 
potential improvement is possible and I support continuing research to find out.

That's different from supporting a build out of a hydrogen infrastructure. 
There is significant cost to do so and, to be effective, it will probably need 
to be as extensive as the current fueling infrastructure. I suppose one could 
argue that such infrastructure partially exists already, considering the land 
and some structures would be repurposed. But that's only part of the cost. We 
still need to deal with new storage tanks and delivery systems from tank to 
vehicle. Given that hydrogen is hard to contain and that the current hydrogen 
infrastructure is essentially zero, this is a huge expense.

Second, the only method I know to produce hydrogen from non fossil fuel is by 
cracking water. It's my understanding that it is substantially more efficient 
to just use the electricity directly to charge a battery. Perhaps, if you take 
into account the production of the battery you might show that in some cases 
the fuel cell comes out ahead. But that's with last year's battery technology. 
Enough progress is being made that I think such arguments will be false if not 
already false.

To have a large number of businesses supporting an unknown technology makes me 
suspicious. This is not an altruistic effort. Sure, support the build out now. 
Get government money to help. Once all this is built, it will be supplied with 
non fossil fuel hydrogen. Or not. If not, is that infrastructure just going to 
sit there? Ha. The pressure to use it, with hydrogen from natural gas, will be 
unsurmountable. Goals will be crushed and the petrol industry will win.

So, let's support research. But no build out until we have reasonable evidence 
of a technology to efficiently produce hydrogen in a sustainable way.

Peri

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Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

I won't dismiss H2 quite as hard and fast as Lawrence just did, but I think 
he's mostly on the right track.  

Twenty years ago I thought that, despite its appreciably greater complexity 
and cost, potential safety issues, and lower efficiency, H2 might be the 
"magic bullet" for the range that vehicle buyers demand.  (We know that they 
seldom need that much range, but they think so.  Unfortunately, perception, 
not reality, determines consumer behavior.)

I think that's all moot now.  Battery capacity has improved and costs have 
fallen so rapidly that I don't really see a need for EV H2 energy storage 
any more.

But Lawrence is right -- while *I* don't see a need, and he doesn't. the 
suits who've gotten rich selling fuel to motorists DO.  The billions of 
dollars they already have will never be enough, so they desperately need to 
somehow keep us dependent on their filling stations.  

If they were sufficiently forward-looking, they could buy into electric 
utilities to maintain some profit from EVs.  However, they just HATE change. 
And the idea that EV owners can in effect collect transport fuel from their 
rooftops must scare the pants off of these tycoons.  

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Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?

[Darryl McMahon via EV]

We don't have to guess at the California electricity mix.

https://www.energy.ca.gov/almanac/electricity_data/total_system_power.html

(rounding to nearest percent for simplicity)

29% from renewables other than large hydro

15% from large hydro

9% from nuclear (not renewable, but reasonably low emissions impact from 
an existing plant - final disposition of spent fuel still to be solved)


4% from coal

34% from natural gas (fossil)

9% unidentified

That's what shows up on the grid.  It does not include those producing 
off-grid, or generating for in-house use (e.g. household PV used behind 
the meter).


Greener grid means greener EV use.

As for using hydrogen as a transportation fuel for light vehicles in 
typical missions (commuting, errand running, occasional longer trips), I 
looked into this early in this century, and kept some track since. 
Things have not changed much on the technology side in the intervening 
period for hydrogen vehicles, other than using bigger storage at higher 
pressure.


Darryl McMahon
Author, award-winning book: The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy (2006)
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Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 20:53:47 + (UTC)
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California uses mostly hydro at night.? There are natural gas plants for high 
demand.? I think that is how it works or should work.? Lawrence Rhodes


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Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

California uses mostly hydro at night.  There are natural gas plants for high 
demand.  I think that is how it works or should work.  Lawrence Rhodes  
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[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 


>Remember how the BEV industry was just 10 years ago, 20 years ago, and 30 
>years and more ago.

>Back then, while pushing for years for a ZEV mandate, I heard many of the same 
>arguments used by the auto and oil companies >about BEVs as I have heard for 
>several years about hydrogen.

- Mark
People smarter than me did the math and it proves that BEV will work very well. 
 Then the cars were built and it works well.  People smarter than me have also 
done the math on hydrogen and proven that it does work but at a rate that is 
more expensive in all respects not to mention metal embrittlement allowing 
hydrogen to escape and possibly explode. So many problems including hydrogen 
escape.  Since hydrogen is the smallest particle there is a natural loss.  The 
hydrogen dead end is so obvious it is troubling that there is a lobby.  Simply 
hydrogen is a way that the energy stream might be privatized and monetized in 
favor of the owner not the user as electric is.  Electricity: you can make it 
yourself, plug in yourself store it yourself.  Hydrogen is financially 
exorbitant for personal use.  All the same problems that you have with the 
gasoline economy you have with hydrogen.  Why?  Oh yes...range anxiety. Barn 
muck also works as a fuel source...do you see a horseshit lobby?  Actually 
there is. So find your niche and stay there.  See if it works but stop trying 
to take over BEV.  It works.  It will win.  Stop the hydrogen diversion. Wishes 
are not reality. Solar cars are probably the future but so far few believe me. 
Lawrence Rhodes 

  
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