Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 108, Issue 3

2021-10-03 Thread Tim Economu via EV
" I said that. Lost power for three days back in the 90's when a tornado 
blew through. Not worth investing a lot of money for 3 days every 25 years."


That seems like a quaint world view to me. "I don't need it so no one else does 
either" .

We have lived in rural America for the past 40 years and power is not so 
consistent in a lot of places here in the US. We lose power every year numerous 
times, for varying amounts of hours and days. I don't use fossil fuels much 
anymore, so backup generators are not an option, and are a poor option for 
those that do use fossils in my opinion. But I do have solar power and a small 
battery bank, so recharging during a power outage is possible and is necessary 
if we want to maintain power for water,refrigeration, electronics, and fresh 
air inside our passive house.

To have an EV that will provide not only transportation but occasional power is 
not a little thing, it's huge. Especially if you can recharge during the sunny 
day. To have jobsite power is even bigger.

I do realize that it might be something that some people do not think is worth 
spending money. But there are a lot of us out here that it would be worth 
spending quite a lot of for that option. If it came as part of the package, all 
the better.

I happen to believe that vehicle to grid is a game changer, kind of like Level 
5 autonomy will be a game changer.
Tim Economu
Whidbey Island

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Include in events: "EV to power your home" (Peter VanDerWal)
2. Re: Include in events: "EV to power your home" (Robert Bruninga)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2021 16:58:46 +
From: "Peter VanDerWal" 
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Include in events: "EV to power your home"
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I said that. Lost power for three days back in the 90's when a tornado blew 
through. Not worth
investing a lot of money for 3 days every 25 years.

I agree it's not worth buying an EV JUST to use it as a backup power source.  
However, most people buy EVs to drive.  When deciding which EV to buy, one that 
has the capability of powering your house in an emergency situation might just 
be a deciding factor for many people.

FWIW I moved my critical loads (Fridge/Freezer, HVAC, etc.) to a new subpanel 
with a transfer switch so that I could power my critical loads from my EVs 
during a power outage.
Once we go off-grid this setup will allow me to get by with a smaller house 
battery. Even if we get an extended period of low sunshine, either of my EVs 
could power my critical loads for a week or two, which is more than long enough 
wait out the stormy weather.


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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 14:25:42 -0400
From: Robert Bruninga 
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Include in events: "EV to power your home"
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I believe we have discussed this and that you do have some kinda
justification for "going off grid", but for others, it makes no economic
sense to me.If I generate all my power, I am still perfectly happy to
pay $8 a month for keeping the grid accouint.  Kinda like
insurance..

The last thing I want to do in life is maintain batteries for the
rest of my life.   Out of the blue I took a life changing hit in my
health and cannot possibly maintain all the special "features"
I have built into the house for "fun" but now, impossible to
maintain by my wife.  I am an ardent DIY guy, but now am
a CDIMA (Cant do it myself Anymore). - Bob

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 12:58 PM Peter VanDerWal via EV
 wrote:

I said that. Lost power for three days back in the 90's when a tornado blew 
through. Not worth
investing a lot of money for 3 days every 25 years.

I agree it's not worth buying an EV JUST to use it as a backup power source.  
However, most people buy EVs to drive.  When deciding which EV to buy, one that 
has the capability of powering your house in an emergency situation might just 
be a deciding factor for many people.

FWIW I moved my critical loads (Fridge/Freezer, HVAC, etc.) to a new subpanel 
with a transfer 

Re: [EVDL] Include in events: "EV to power your home"

2021-10-03 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
I believe we have discussed this and that you do have some kinda
justification for "going off grid", but for others, it makes no economic
sense to me.If I generate all my power, I am still perfectly happy to
pay $8 a month for keeping the grid accouint.  Kinda like
insurance..

The last thing I want to do in life is maintain batteries for the
rest of my life.   Out of the blue I took a life changing hit in my
health and cannot possibly maintain all the special "features"
I have built into the house for "fun" but now, impossible to
maintain by my wife.  I am an ardent DIY guy, but now am
a CDIMA (Cant do it myself Anymore). - Bob

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 12:58 PM Peter VanDerWal via EV
 wrote:
>
> > I said that. Lost power for three days back in the 90's when a tornado blew 
> > through. Not worth
> > investing a lot of money for 3 days every 25 years.
>
> I agree it's not worth buying an EV JUST to use it as a backup power source.  
> However, most people buy EVs to drive.  When deciding which EV to buy, one 
> that has the capability of powering your house in an emergency situation 
> might just be a deciding factor for many people.
>
> FWIW I moved my critical loads (Fridge/Freezer, HVAC, etc.) to a new subpanel 
> with a transfer switch so that I could power my critical loads from my EVs 
> during a power outage.
> Once we go off-grid this setup will allow me to get by with a smaller house 
> battery. Even if we get an extended period of low sunshine, either of my EVs 
> could power my critical loads for a week or two, which is more than long 
> enough wait out the stormy weather.
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Re: [EVDL] Include in events: "EV to power your home"

2021-10-03 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV
> I said that. Lost power for three days back in the 90's when a tornado blew 
> through. Not worth
> investing a lot of money for 3 days every 25 years.

I agree it's not worth buying an EV JUST to use it as a backup power source.  
However, most people buy EVs to drive.  When deciding which EV to buy, one that 
has the capability of powering your house in an emergency situation might just 
be a deciding factor for many people.

FWIW I moved my critical loads (Fridge/Freezer, HVAC, etc.) to a new subpanel 
with a transfer switch so that I could power my critical loads from my EVs 
during a power outage.
Once we go off-grid this setup will allow me to get by with a smaller house 
battery. Even if we get an extended period of low sunshine, either of my EVs 
could power my critical loads for a week or two, which is more than long enough 
wait out the stormy weather.
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