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Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing

2023-08-30 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Clearly we are in a period of transition. Like many here I charge at home
but also at work.

The worm appears to have turned and EVs as a major part of the
transportation system seem to be inevitable.

Tesla has their network. Some automakers have decided to adapt to that.
Others are planning a separate network. There are the current private
networks and it's not yet clear how the money from the Inflation Reduction
Act will be used for charging stations. But the stations are coming. Isn't
this exactly what those on this list have long been hoping for?

Maybe I'm just an optimist, but I think (as with any open niche in any
ecosystem) the availability will eventually expand to meet the need.

Obviously it's hard to say how quickly it will happen. Thus, the angst out
there (and to a lesser extent in here) is understandable. But I think it
will work itself out.


Peter Flipsen Jr
Carlton, OR


On Tue, Aug 29, 2023, 4:35 PM Rod Hower via EV  wrote:

>  My 2014 Volt only has 46 miles of range.  I drive 21 miles to work and
> charge there at Chargepoint for 10 cents per kWhr.  I have 240Vac at home
> and charge there as well.  98% of my travel is electric.  I take some work
> trips that are less than 500 miles and then use gas.  I guess it's more of
> a problem for people that live in an apartment without access to a 120Vac
> plug, but that also hasn't been a problem either unless you live in a huge
> complex without access.
> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 05:42:51 PM EDT, paul dove via EV <
> ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>
>   That's great except for traveling and apartment dwellers. I only use the
> supercharger when on the interstates.
> My non-Tesla EV  I only use in the city and charge at home.
> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 04:06:05 PM CDT, Lee Hart via EV <
> ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>
>  EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote:
> > One of the reasons why parking meters went to CC systems is the fact
> that they
> > were continuously broken into and were more costly to maintain since
> they needed
> > someone to empty them of the change.
>
> It's depressing to see how the future is developing. Like the Grateful
> Dead sang, "What a long strange trip it's been".
>
> The impression I get is that "everyone" thinks public charging must
> follow the gas station model. All chargers must be "fast" and cost $5 or
> more to use. These expensive charging stations are frequently vandalized
> and broken.
>
> Everyone drives 100-200 miles every day, and no one can charge at home
> without spending thousands of dollars on a home charging station. So we
> *must* have vast network of public charging stations to match the
> existing network of gas stations.
>
> That's not the only solution, you know. Where I live, there are hundreds
> of free public AC outlets. They've been there for decades, for plugging
> in your ICE's block heaters in the winter. They don't get vandalized,
> except by an occasional errant snowplow. Every EV I've seen already has
> a built-in charger; all it needs is any normal AC outlet. I simply
> charge at home, or plugged in at work so by quitting time, my EV was
> fully charged.
>
> There are parking meters that accept real coins, and meter readers that
> collect the coins (and put the tickets on your car if it's over-parked).
> I have yet to see one that takes credit cards.
>
> There are no gated communities, and people generally don't lock their
> cars or their doors. Theft and vandalism are not enough of a problem to
> worry about.
>
> Lee
>
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Re: [EVDL] Plugshare survey

2019-08-08 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Yes I received it as well.  Have not done it yet.

Peter Flipsen
Carlton, Oregon

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Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

2019-02-17 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

This is not unlike the tobacco companies buying up food companies back in
the 1980s.  They're planning ahead for diversifing their business model.

Peter Flipsen
Carlton, Oregon

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019, 11:25 PM brucedp5 via EV 
>
>
> https://qz.com/1542499/oil-companies-and-utilities-are-buying-up-all-the-electric-car-charging-startups/
> Oil companies and utilities are buying up all the electric car charging
> startups
> February 5, 2019  Michael J. Coren
>
> For decades, oil and gas companies and utilities dismissed electric cars.
> Now, the old petroleum and power giants are muscling into the driver’s seat
> of the “new fuels” industry.
>
> It’s projected to be a big business. McKinsey counts more than 350 new
> electric vehicle (EV) models debuting by 2025, one of the conditions for
> mass-market adoption. Global demand for gasoline is set to peak around 2021
> thanks to electric vehicles (EVs) and fuel efficiency gains. The energy
> research and consultancy Wood Mackenzie predicts  charging infrastructure
> investment in the US will exceed $18 billion annually by 2030 for
> equipment,
> installation, operations, and services. China is expected to have three
> times more energy demand from EVs by then.
>
> Now, fossil fuel incumbents want in. They’re investing heavily or outright
> acquiring electrical infrastructure needed to supply the millions of
> electric vehicles (EVs) expected in the next few years. Although just 2.2%
> of the world’s vehicles are electric, a record 2 million or so EVs were
> sold
> last year amid exponential growth.
>
> While the numbers aren’t huge yet—for example, Shell’s $1 billion in
> renewable energy and EV investments amounts amounts to just 4% of its
> annual
> capital expenditures—they’re growing fast. Globally, $334 billion was
> invested in global clean energy in 2017, reports BNEF (pdf)
>
> Public charging infrastructure is ramping up almost everywhere, and each
> region has its own unique mix of players, says Bloomberg New Energy Finance
> (BNEF). In Europe, 79% of the public charging infrastructure is operated by
> utilities and oil companies. In the US, 62% of the market is managed by
> pure-play EV operators. In China, equipment manufacturers control the
> majority.
>
> So far, European firms are making the biggest moves. The most recent move
> was Royal Dutch Shell’s purchase of Greenlots, a startup offering software
> and services for EV charging networks. The British-Dutch oil giant says it
> will use Greenlot’s technology, which combines software to optimize battery
> charging and grid balancing services in one charging platform, to build the
> “foundation” of its EV business in North America. The company is pouring
> about $1 billion a year into such deals, according to BNEF, including the
> acquisition of 30,000 charging stations in Western Europe, as well as a $31
> million investment into EV charging startup Ample in 2018.
>
> Last year, France’s Total closed a deal for G2mobility, which offers EV
> charging solutions, as well as a $1.7 billion deal for Direct Energie,
> making it a major electricity retailer in France as well. Ultimately,
> Reuters reports, Total wants to grow its “low-carbon energy assets” from 5%
> of the total today to 20% by 2035. Most of Europe’s biggest oil firms now
> have a hand in renewable energy, power trading, energy storage, retail
> electricity sales, grid management, or EV charging.
>
> “In Europe, the line between utilities and oil and gas companies is getting
> a bit blurry,” said Colin McKerracher of BNEF at its summit in San
> Francisco
> on Feb. 4. “The oil and gas companies in Europe see where this stuff is
> going and want to ensure they are not missing out on it. … It’s not just a
> downside hedge.”
>
> The US is a different story. Companies like Chevron and ExxonMobil are just
> starting to edge into utilities’ traditional territory. Last year, Chevron
> participated in a $240 million round for ChargePoint, a network of
> independently owned charging spots, valued at $1.5 billion, according to
> Pitchbook.  The utility American Electric Power and German automaker
> Daimler
> invested alongside the oil giant.
>
> Most active are US utilities, with many partnering directly with car
> companies. Pacific Gas and Electric, Southern California Edison, San Diego
> Gas & Electric, and New Jersey’s PSE have partnered with carmakers to
> offer thousands of dollars in rebates for BMW, Nissan, and other brands.
> California’s Pacific Gas & Electric, New York’s Consolidated Edison, the
> southeast’s Duke Energy Company, and others covering almost every state are
> lobbying Congress to extend EV tax credits. Pacific Gas and Electric is
> busy
> investing in thousands of fast-charging stations around the state.
> [© qz.com]
>
>
>
> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-giants-competing-buy-battery-121427788.html
> Oil giants are competing to buy battery companies
> February 15, 2019  Shell has also acquired Greenlots and New

Re: [EVDL] electriccarpartscompany.com?

2018-07-30 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

I have dealt with them many times.  They started out doing conversions and
they did both of mine (neither of which I own anymore).  I have also
purchased parts from them and never had any problems. Carl Clark is, in my
opinion, a very honorable person.  BUT I have not had any contact with them
in a few years.

- Peter Flipsen

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Tom Hudson via EV 
wrote:

> Does anybody know if electriccarpartscompany.com is legit and still in
> business?
> I asked them for a battery+BMS quote over a week ago and haven't heard a
> peep. Followed up with an email a couple of days ago, and have heard
> nothing.
> I'm trying to upgrade the battery pack in our Solectria E-10 pickup with
> CALB CA-100s and they have a good price and also sell the Orion BMS.
> Anyone dealt with them?
> -Tom
>
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Re: [EVDL] Chevy S10 conversion to give away

2017-10-26 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

John Lussmyer came and got it.  Haven't heard what has been done with it
since.

Peter Flipsen Jr

On Oct 26, 2017 6:23 PM, "Brett Davis via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

> What ever happened to this project?
>
> Brett
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Lee Hart via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>
> > Peter Flipsen SLPinfo.org via EV wrote:
> >
> >> John,
> >>
> >> Yes this Sunday at 11 am would be fine.
> >>
> >> Sorry Lee et al.  But as I said, what John describes is to me the
> perfect
> >> scenario for giving my EV a new home.
> >>
> >
> > I understand. Mine was similar (an EV for my son). But you need it to be
> > gone *now*. There's no way I can win a race through the mountains in
> winter
> > when John has a 1200 mile head start. :-O
> >
> > And I know John Lussmyer. He's a good guy. He's been working with EVs for
> > years, so he should be able to get it running for his friend.
> >
> > But if he changes his mind, I'm still interested!
> >
> > --
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> > Just imagine the chaos if they learned to think logically, plan, create,
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Re: [EVDL] Slow due to 96V pack?

2017-09-09 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

John,

As someone mentioned, even at 120v you won't get great acceleration with GC
batts.  That's why we often call them "lead sleds".

Peter Flipsen Jr

On Sep 9, 2017 7:14 PM, "John Lussmyer via EV"  wrote:

> On Fri Sep 08 21:57:43 PDT 2017 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
> >There is both a battery low voltage limit and a motor high voltage limit.
> >There is also a motor current limit and a battery current limit.
> >
> >You need to set all four to the appropriate values.
>
> yes, I know.  Just forgot to list those Motor values as they are set to be
> irrelevant.
> 1000A and 150V.
> And I was reporting Battery Amps of course.
>
> I'm pretty sure now that it's just too low a voltage pack.  200 Batt amps
> was the max I could pull.
> The GC batts are basically unused - but are a couple years old, and have
> had battery maintainers connected for that time.
>
> I'm betting he has a Z1K LV - so that will limit how hi a voltage we can
> switch to when we switch to Lithium.
> (also dealing with it having 2, 10A 48V chargers - one of which is dead,
> so you have to switch the other charger back and forth between pack
> halves.  sigh.)
> This guy can't afford a bunch of upgrades immediately though.
>
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Re: [EVDL] EV Spare Tire

2017-04-21 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Mark,

A spare is certainly good advice but on my I-Miev that would mean 2 spares
since the front and rear tires are different sizes.  Hence spares are not
included; they only give you a can of fix-a-flat type stuff.

Peter Flipsen Jr
Hillsboro, OR

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Mark Hanson via EV 
wrote:

> Hi folks
> As many flats I've had over the 40 years of driving EVs I consider a mini
> spare required equipment.  I bought a Leaf spare on Anazon.com. I think it
> was a mini spare from a Del Sol but indicated it fit a leaf and I just
> leave it in the back cargo area.  I also bought a mini spare for my Spark
> but had to remove the plastic cargo cover to get it to lay in the cargo
> area.
> Have a non flat day
> Mark
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Re: [EVDL] Chevy S10 conversion to give away

2017-01-09 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

John,

Yes this Sunday at 11 am would be fine.

Sorry Lee et al.  But as I said, what John describes is to me the perfect
scenario for giving my EV a new home.

Peter Flipsen


On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:20 PM, John Lussmyer 
wrote:

> Looks like I can do this Sunday.
> Probably get there somewhere around 11am.  Would that be ok?
> 360-643-3541
>
> On Mon Jan 09 11:09:29 PST 2017 slpinfop...@gmail.com said:
> >John,
> >
> >This weekend would be great.  A month is too long.  It's been parked on
> the
> >street for over a month already and my neighbors have been asking when I'm
> >going to move it. So has my wife.  If it isn't gone soon I may just go
> back
> >to donating it to PBS.
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >On Jan 9, 2017 8:52 AM, "John Lussmyer"  wrote:
> >
> >On Mon Jan 09 08:24:01 PST 2017 slpinfop...@gmail.com said:
> >>John - how soon do you realistically think you could get here?
> >
> >Hmm, it would either be this weekend (14-15th) OR in a Month or 2.  (I'm
> >going in for Hernia surgery on the 17th, so won't be up for long driving
> >trips for a while after that.)
> >
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Re: [EVDL] Chevy S10 conversion to give away

2017-01-09 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

And by "hold" I mean for a week or so.  I do mean to get this gone.  If
John can't commit to coming this weekend and Lee (and whoever else wants to
work with him) can arrange to have it moved fairly quickly that's fine. But
I really don't want to hold it past the 16th.

- Peter

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:13 PM, SLPinfo.org <slpinfop...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Corr,
>
> I understand but Lee was also clear that he would "try to find it a home"
> whereas John has a clearly defined home for it.  So if John can commit to
> coming this weekend I would prefer to give it to him.  If he can't then I'm
> happy to hold it for Lee.
>
> - Peter
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Cor van de Water via EV <
> ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>
>> I understand that Lee does want to get it, but since he needs several
>> days to make it over there, needs someone local to keep it for up to a week
>> so he is guaranteed to have the vehicle when he shows up. Nothing like a
>> bummer when you dodge weather for a week of driving and the truck was just
>> picked up the morning that you arrived. He was pretty clear that if the
>> truck is guaranteed to be there, then he will pick it up.
>> Cor
>>
>> > On Jan 9, 2017, at 5:20 AM, Brett Davis via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > If Lee does not get it, I may be interested. It's just a matter of
>> timing.
>> > And whether I fly in and U-haul it back or drive up with a trailer from
>> > Utah.
>> >
>> > You have the exact motor and controller that I was eyeballing a couple
>> > years ago for a build.
>> >
>> > Brett
>> >
>> >> On Jan 8, 2017 11:23 PM, "Lee Hart via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> SLPinfo.org via EV wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> This EV is now available for free. MUST BE TAKEN COMPLETE.  WILL NOT
>> PART
>> >>> IT OUT. If you want parts you must take it all and dispose of the
>> >>> remainder
>> >>> yourself. Will provide clean and clear title.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Peter,
>> >>
>> >> I'd be glad to take it, fix it, and find a good home. But I'm in
>> >> Minnesota... it will take me a week or so to get there. I wouldn't
>> want to
>> >> make the trip unless I knew it was available!
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> education.
>> >> Just imagine the chaos if they learned to think logically, plan,
>> create,
>> >> implement, test, and execute!
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Re: [EVDL] Chevy S10 conversion to give away

2017-01-09 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Corr,

I understand but Lee was also clear that he would "try to find it a home"
whereas John has a clearly defined home for it.  So if John can commit to
coming this weekend I would prefer to give it to him.  If he can't then I'm
happy to hold it for Lee.

- Peter

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:

> I understand that Lee does want to get it, but since he needs several days
> to make it over there, needs someone local to keep it for up to a week so
> he is guaranteed to have the vehicle when he shows up. Nothing like a
> bummer when you dodge weather for a week of driving and the truck was just
> picked up the morning that you arrived. He was pretty clear that if the
> truck is guaranteed to be there, then he will pick it up.
> Cor
>
> > On Jan 9, 2017, at 5:20 AM, Brett Davis via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > If Lee does not get it, I may be interested. It's just a matter of
> timing.
> > And whether I fly in and U-haul it back or drive up with a trailer from
> > Utah.
> >
> > You have the exact motor and controller that I was eyeballing a couple
> > years ago for a build.
> >
> > Brett
> >
> >> On Jan 8, 2017 11:23 PM, "Lee Hart via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> SLPinfo.org via EV wrote:
> >>
> >>> This EV is now available for free. MUST BE TAKEN COMPLETE.  WILL NOT
> PART
> >>> IT OUT. If you want parts you must take it all and dispose of the
> >>> remainder
> >>> yourself. Will provide clean and clear title.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hi Peter,
> >>
> >> I'd be glad to take it, fix it, and find a good home. But I'm in
> >> Minnesota... it will take me a week or so to get there. I wouldn't want
> to
> >> make the trip unless I knew it was available!
> >>
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Re: [EVDL] Chevy S10 conversion to give away

2017-01-09 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

John,

This weekend would be great.  A month is too long.  It's been parked on the
street for over a month already and my neighbors have been asking when I'm
going to move it. So has my wife.  If it isn't gone soon I may just go back
to donating it to PBS.

Peter


On Jan 9, 2017 8:52 AM, "John Lussmyer"  wrote:

On Mon Jan 09 08:24:01 PST 2017 slpinfop...@gmail.com said:
>John - how soon do you realistically think you could get here?

Hmm, it would either be this weekend (14-15th) OR in a Month or 2.  (I'm
going in for Hernia surgery on the 17th, so won't be up for long driving
trips for a while after that.)



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Re: [EVDL] Chevy S10 conversion to give away

2017-01-09 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Guys,

What John is describing is exactly the kind of scenario I was hoping for -
someone who really wants an EV, can't afford it, but has nearby technical
support.

John - how soon do you realistically think you could get here?

- Peter

On Jan 9, 2017 7:58 AM, "John Lussmyer"  wrote:

On Sun Jan 08 22:05:26 PST 2017 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>This EV is now available for free. MUST BE TAKEN COMPLETE.  WILL NOT PART
>IT OUT. If you want parts you must take it all and dispose of the remainder
>yourself. Will provide clean and clear title.
>
>I have no space or tools for you to work on it.  You must tow it away and
>then deal with it.

Well, I'm seriously interested.  I have a friend here on the island that is
poor, but would LOVE to have an EV truck.
I do have a flatbed trailer I could drive down with to pick it up.  (yeah,
very long day, and an extra $100 in ferry fees.)
I probably have enough misc "stuff" around that I could get it working
again.

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Re: [EVDL] Chevy Volt in long term storage?

2016-10-30 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Bob,

I have never done it with ours, but if I remember correctly,  my 2012 Volt
manual says to run down the charge to about 50% just before any long-term
storage.  The low self discharge of lithium should mean no need for any
maintenance charging.

Peter Flipsen
Hillsboro, OR

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> Ha s anyone heard of any ill effects on the Chevy Volt parked for over 6
> monhts without use?  A Snowbird wants to know.  She will put the 12v on a
> battery minder, but what about the HV battery?
>
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Re: [EVDL] 2008 Miles parts or repair

2016-06-19 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Bruce,

I am not interested, but you might want to say where you are so folks can
estimate shiiping cost if they don't live near you.

Peter Flipsen Jr
On Jun 19, 2016 10:10 AM, "Bruce Hecht via EV" wrote:

Pics: https://goo.gl/photos/HTHACQEw7ePDTjUP8

Hello all,

I have a 2008 Miles ZX40S 4 door van that I purchased in 2010. My wife has
used it for the past 6 years putting on about 2500 miles per year.

At the start of 2013 with the overview I changed the battery back from 600
lbs of lead acid to 24 100AH Gray CALBS with an Elithion Lite BMS. The
conversion is clean with battery heaters and all interlocks working.

The car has run good after the Lithium replacement unit it died a few months
ago. I troubleshot the problem to the Curtis 1238 controller. I had Kirk
Sweeney verify and we hence sent it out to be rebuilt. On return of the
rebuilt it did not light up. We sent it back to the rebuilder and they
claimed the car damaged it. We since got another rebuild and have tested it
outside of the car. It is good. We are hesitant to install.

At this point I had the opportunity to purchase 50% share of a 2013 Leaf SV
that just came off lease.

Bottom line, I don't need the Miles. It could be repaired or the parts
could be used. Here are the parts that I think would be useful.

. 24 100 AH Gray CALB batteries strapped in (2) 12 packs with bus
bars and BMS communication boards installed. Batteries were all load test
before installation. New $3000

. Elitihion Lite BMS with USB interface, current sensor and
interlock hardware, SOC meter. New $500

. Curtis 1238-1681 72 Volt controller newly rebuilt New $1000

. Delta Q QuiQ 72 volt 12 amp charger - with interface relay to BMS
New $500

. AC motor - 3 phase 7.5 kw rated power. Have no idea if this is
worth anything.

. I replaced the DC to DC

. It has a cute vacuum pump

I want it taken away as a unit. We can help with trailering if needed. I can
send more photos if needed,

I would take $3,000 for it all.

Bruce

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Re: [EVDL] Good i-Miev Hunting ...

2016-03-27 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Bruce,

Price may be higher than Willie wants to pay, but we bought our 2012 I-
MiEV from Carmax (paid $8900) last Nov.  Excellent buying experience.  So
positive we went back there  in Jan and bought a 2012 Volt.

Peter Flipsen Jr
Hillsboro, OR
On Mar 27, 2016 12:51 PM, "brucedp5 via EV"  wrote:

>
>
> [ref
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-When-will-Tesla-s-electricity-come-to-the-Ag-farm-tp4681160p4681170.html
>  ... The imiev makes a great "around the farm" vehicle, ...  It also hauls
> supplies well ... for deliveries where the range will allow; at times, I
> make two imiev trips rather than one Tesla trip ... I am forced to buy
> imievs from distances of 150-200 miles. The tales of getting them home
> belongs elsewhere ...
> ]
>
> Willie has shown that a good low cost i-Miev can be a useful tool to get
> chores done. He eluded to his hardship of finding an affordable used i-Miev
> and the issues of transporting it from a far away distance.
>
> I decided to do a little research into this, as Willie is going to have a
> limit as to how far away he going to consider is worthy of his time and
> effort. But for someone else in a different part of the country, the i-Miev
> EV that Willie past on might nearer to them, and a good-buy.
>
> The following sites are likely already known to Willie. And he is welcome
> to
> add or make corrections if he has the time and is so inclined. I started
> with a basic search for used i-Miev, and at each of the following sites, I
> used a search critrea of:
> - 78737 zip code (you put yours in)
> - unlimited distance from home (throw a wide loop)
> - include both the lower cost ES and the higher cost SE trims
> - selecting used from any source
>
>
>
> https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?zc=78737=10=9000=45843=20030=28881=price=ASC=price=DESC=1=50=SORT
>  This site had used i-Miev EVs starting below $6k
>
>
>
> http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext==true=AUTO=d2166==78737=5=true=false=true
>  This site had used i-Miev EVs starting ~$6k, but they try to tell you
> which
> are better deals than others.
>
>
>
> http://www.autotempest.com/results/?make=mitsubishi=imiev=any=78737=i-Miev===4000=8000===any=any=any
>  This site is searches all Craigslist listings, and the format seems easy
> to
> work with
>
>
>
> http://www.searchtempest.com/search?location=78737=5_us=1_string=i-Miev=adv=na=zip=0=8=cta=4000=8000=min=max
>  This site is searches all Craigslist listings as well but it is slow, once
> you launch it, you have to wait until it is finished before you can open
> links shown in other tabs/windows
>
>
>
> http://www.carmax.com/search?ANr=4294961473=90=78737=4294963114+4294961536+4294961473=0-1=2010-2016=14=da6d28ec-c905-477a-90b4-937fd5381087=search:results:results%20page
>  This site did not find many used i-Miev EVs for less than $8k
>
>
> Next, once you have found your used EV, how to get it home?
> You could rent a flat bed and or vehicle to tow with and do the driving
> yourself (a time sink but the job gets done correctly without damage to the
> EV, etc.). Or use a car transporter service. One shipper that was mentioned
> in an evdl post was
> http://www.dasautoshippers.com/
>  If others know of auto shippers than have worked well for them, please let
> us know.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [EVDL] EV4Sale: $2500 '02 Focus conversion-EV, needs 144V pack r:40mi ts:75+mph

2015-12-20 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Bruce,

Good points overall here with one exception:  a 144v pack would be 18 x 8v
(not 14).

Peter Flipsen Jr
Hillsboro, OR
On Dec 20, 2015 12:33 AM, "brucedp5 via EV"  wrote:

>
>
> [ref
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/FS-2002-Ford-Focus-EV-conversion-2500-tp4679247.html
> (See this evdl post for all the technical details)
> ]
>
> % IMO Replacing the batteries is not a reason for Josh to label the EV a
> 'project' car. Assuming the existing old pack still has enough life to
> drive
> a 1 mile test loop to show it is a functioning EV, it would be easy enough
> to buy 14  8VDC lead-acid batteries (for about $1400) and drop them in.
>
> So, what else could need work to make Josh use those words?
> (Below is his reply> nothing really)
>
>
> *Bottom line: IMO I would not call this a 'project EV' as it needs little
> effort to get the EV back to being a daily driver again (just a new pack).
> From what I can see, this is a nice clean Focus conversion-EV that just
> needs a new 144VDC (x14 8V PbSO4 $1400) pack.
>
>
> If you were to buy this EV, you would transport it home, document
> (write-down) all the battery cabling orientation as a diagram (which way
> are
> the + & - battery terminals oriented, etc.), then remove the old 8V
> batteries placing them out for pick up. Clean up the racks and cable ends,
> and order replacment 8V batteries which you would buy locally for a better
> price and fresher pack (all the same manufactured date).
>
> Buying 14  8V batteries from one source should be cheaper than buying
> individual batteries and a better idea. While 'Trojan' is the best and most
> costly
>
> http://bradsgolfcars.com/golf-car-batteries/trojan-t-875-8-volt-golf-car-battery/
> , look for a 'US_Battery' dealer near you. Most likely they will sell you
> 14
> 8V batteries, deliver them and pick up your old pack at the same time (they
> give a discounted price if they get a dead battery for each new battery).
>
> Then using the documentation and cabling diagram you made, put the new
> batteries in place oriented correctly, and then cable them up. The pack
> voltage should be about 144 VDC. Put them on a light charge, and *after
> they
> are fully charged, you can add 'distilled water' to the cells (to the
> ring).
> After a week of driving, check the battery lugs for tightness, and check
> them there-after when you do your pack's monthly cell-water-level checks.
>
> Here are some of the large images from his evalbum listing:
> http://www.evalbum.com/popupimg.php?18286
> http://www.evalbum.com/popupimg.php?18287
> http://www.evalbum.com/popupimg.php?18290
> http://www.evalbum.com/popupimg.php?18291
>
> Contact the seller (not me): Josh Wyatt
> e...@wirefall.org   evdl AT wirefall DOT org
> http://www.evalbum.com/3493
> %
>
>
> {brucedp.150m.com}
>
>
>
>
> 
> On Sat, 12/19/15, Josh Wyatt  wrote:
>  Subject: Re: EV for sale
>  Date: Saturday, December 19, 2015, 4:23 PM
>
>  Honestly, that's about it. It could use new tires, maybe. The tires on it
> have tread, should pass inspection, and hold air, but they will need
> replacing in the next few thousand miles.
>
>  The battery racks would probably need rework, when changing packs. Some
> cleanup and repainting - the truck bedliner paint I applied before
> installing the pack has suffered the usual lead-acid treatment. It should
> be
> structurally sound, though.
>
>  I had lots of plans for the car- restoring the air conditioning, for
> example. Adding an overspeed limiter. Stuff like that. It's actually a
> very
> nice car for a home conversion, in my opinion.
>
>  It has set for a couple of years, but I occasionally power it up using a
> smaller pack to check things out. I just can't drive it.
>
>  I am very happy to answer any and all questions about the car.
>  Thanks,
>  Josh
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i-MiEV is America’s lowest cost EV, for a reason

2015-10-26 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Joe,

Your post is very timely for me.  I appreciate you coming to the defence of
this fun little car.

My lead sled S10 conversion was due for new batteries and I have grown
tired of both battery maintenance and (as a non-mechanic, non-engineer)
worrying about what happens if something breaks down.  So this past
Saturday my wife and I went out and test drove a 2011 Leaf and a 2012
i-MiEV.

The $3k less for the i-MiEV is ultimately what sealed the deal for me, but
I agree whole heartedly with all your comments.  My only regret is ours
doesn't have the fast charge port (not standard on earlier models).  It was
our only choice however as it appeared to be the only used i-MiEV available
in the Portland area right now.  But never having used any public charging
stations before I don't know how many fast chargers we have in the area
anyway.

Btw-I personally found the Leaf's responsiveness from a dead stop quite
pedestrian compared to the i-MiEV.

Peter Flipsen
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-20 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

David,

Some friends of mine leased their first EV (a BMW i3) a few months ago.
They have been debating since day 1 whether to add a 220v outlet in their
garage. The debate is because it would be an expensive install (awkward
placement of breaker box, not in garage).

But they realized recently that they really don't need it.  110v charging
seems to work just fine for their needs. So they won't bother with 220v.

Peter Flipsen Jr
Hillsboro, OR
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> David,
> Everyone always mentions 8 hours of charging overnight, but most commute
> cars sit much longer in the garage than that on normal weekdays, my EV
> has about 15 hours of charging time if I let it stay plugged from the
> moment I get home till I leave the next morning. So, even at the 12A rate
> from my 120V outlet (my garage outlets are on a 20A breaker in the service
> panel, but the outlets are 15A type and I am using a power strip as a
> short extension cord with on/off switch to disconnect power before
> unplugging) I am getting about 1.5kW max power so with 80% efficient
> charging this is 1.2kW into the battery pack for 15 hours is 18kWh
> which covers all that I can drive with the truck. And since I can also
> plug in at work, I can drive even more in a day if I want to.
> All from charging at level 1 which is more than 99% of my charging
> till date - until I get time to install my JuiceBox. Or more accurately,
> to install the 240V plug for my JuiceBox.
>
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>
> On 20 Oct 2015 at 19:34, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote:
>
> >  I've seen 20A circuits, but only in commercial installations.
>
> You'll see plenty of 20a branch circuits in homes - all newer homes are
> wired this way - but 20a receptacles on them are indeed pretty rare.
>
> This is because the code has an exception allowing cheaper 15a-rated
> receptacles on a 20a branch circuit, as long as there's more than one
> outlet on the circuit.  If there's only one receptacle on the circuit, it
> must be a 20a-rated recept.  (Code experts argue over whether a duplex
> receptacle counts as one or two outlets.)
>
> IIRC, the code ALLOWS but doesn't REQUIRE 20a-rated receptacles on a
> multiple-receptacle 20a branch circuit.  I installed 120v 20a recepts on
> the branch circuit in my garage to allow for better EV charging, though I'm
> not 100% convinced that (once you're beyond the 50 cent bargain bin junk
> receptacles) there's much difference between the guts of a 15a-rated
> recept and those of a 20-a rated recept.
>
> One more note about this.  Because code limits sustained load on a branch
> circuit to 80% of its maximum, you can charge at no more than 1920 Watts
> from a 120v 20a residential branch circuit.  If your EV gets 250 Wh/mi and
> has a typical 80% charging efficiency, you gain just over 6 miles of range
> per hour of charging.  If you sleep 8 hours and charge while you sleep,
> that's 48 miles you can drive per day.
>
> It could be more than that, since some switchmode chargers do better than
> 80% efficiency.  Also, staying below 80% SOC increases battery charging
> efficiency.  But that's a pretty good rule of thumb.
>
> You're much better off going with a 240v circuit and charger.  A 240v 20a
> circuit gives you 3840 Watts, for over 12 miles of range per hour of
> charging - 96 miles overnight.
>
> A 50a range / welder circuit is an even better bet, as long as your
> charger has the guts to use it.  That recept allows 9.6kW charging.  At
> that rate the EV described above gains over 30 miles of range for each hour
> of charging - about 245 miles overnight.
>
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Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] Re: EVs Here, There and Everywhere

2015-08-30 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

I'm with Tom at least partly on this one. If we can get more EVs on the
road that's all that ultimately matters. If they want to be snobs about it
I will ignore it knowing full well that they are not really the avante
guarde. I didn't start driving an EV to be cool anyway (although it feels
nice when someone tells me that). It just seemed like the right thing to
do.

I myself have had a mix of interactions with owners of manufactured EVs.
Some have turned their noses up a bit. The ones who know me personally have
admitted that driving my lead sled took a lot more vision than they had.
One friend even went out and bought a Leaf after seeing mine and says I was
his inspiration.

Bring on more EVs!

Peter Flipsen Jr
Hillsboro, OR
On Aug 30, 2015 10:41 AM, David Nelson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

Maybe send them to http://www.straubel.com/ and have them follow the
links at the bottom of the page.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 10:39 AM, David Nelson gizm...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe you need to educate them about the history of Tesla’s chief
technology officer, JB Straubel. It might surprise some Tesla owners.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 9:19 AM, tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
/I was a little offended when Bruce implied Tesla owners are snobby. I
am
certainly not nor or other Tesla owning EVDLers.../

A few years ago I was participating in the local club's display of EVs.
I
stepped up to two Tesla S owners talking just as one asked the other if
he
had ever dropped down from a local mountain summit. He had not. I
chimed in
that I had, and they gave me a look of disdain and turned away. Last
year I
was at a get together with some people I used to work with. A VP was
proudly discussing his Tesla S when a friend mentioned my converted EV.
Again the look of disdain, that my friend would even mention such a
vehicle
in the same conversation. Not all are that haughty, I know a couple
who are
not, but many more I have met are. Some Leaf owners similarly look
down on
converted vehicles as not real EVs. When I mentioned I had a
converted
car to a new local club member he asked disdainfully, What's it got,
lead
acid batteries? with the seeming implication it was useless. When I
explained it had lithium cells and about the same range as a Leaf, he
started talking to another Leaf owner nearby to change the subject.

My impression is that the new manufactured EV owners like to think they
are
the avant-guarde. The above club member referred to himself as a
pioneer.
All those earlier EVs don't count, even though some commuted daily for
years
in those lead acid vehicles, showed that limited range electric
vehicles
could be very useful, and provided quite a bit of learning.

If that's what it takes to get people to buy EVs, that's fine. I just
don't
feel like attempting to interact with them anymore. I no longer
participate
in the local EV club, and if someone asks if my car is electric, I
simply
respond yes, and continue on about my business.

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Re: [EVDL] self driving cars

2015-04-06 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Clearly the technology needs work, but part of me welcomes them.  But I've
never been in love with driving.  I just want to get to my destination in
one piece.   As my own senses and reflexes fade with age and having just
taken the keys away from an elderly parent who (thankfully) didn't kill
anyone in a recent accident, I can see a big portion of the population
welcoming the possibility of increased safety on the roads.

Peter Flipsen Jr
Hillsboro, OR

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:32 PM, damon henry via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 All it will take for most people to move over to self driving cars is $5 a
 month off their insurance :)
 damon

  Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 19:07:42 +
  To: electricb...@embarqmail.com; ev@lists.evdl.org
  Subject: Re: [EVDL] self driving cars
  From: ev@lists.evdl.org
 
 
  Yeah,
 
  Maybe these same people would accept some sort of artificial
 intelligence program which would analyse their facebook postingsand social
 media and automatically vote for them in elections. If they will trust
 their lives going 70 mph to some computer algorithm by some nameless
 programmers who work for some corporation (who can't even make a web
 browser that doesn't fail), why wouldn't they trust a corporation to
 automatically vote for them?
 
  After all...what could go wrong?
  Am I missing something?
 
 
 
From: Electric Blue auto convertions via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
   To: ev@lists.evdl.org
   Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 11:09 AM
   Subject: [EVDL] self driving cars
 
  The day Im forced to get into a self driving car is when I take my shot
 gun and blow it away . the very thought if a SDC makes me vomit
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[EVDL] Article: Electric cars could boost CO2 emissions in some provinces

2015-03-24 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Not sure if the list has seen this story but I suspect there are flaws in
the analysis.  Not being an engineer and not having access to the
calculations I can't tell for sure.

Peter Flipsen Jr

==

Trying to go green by replacing your gas guzzler with an electric car? In
some provinces, that may actually be worse for the environment, a
University of Toronto researcher says.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/electric-cars-could-boost-co2-emissions-in-some-provinces-1.3007409

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Re: [EVDL] driving attitude

2015-02-02 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Fred,

Thanks for that. I don't at all consider it a rant. I would call it the
voice of reason.

I must admit that the media has gotten me a bit worried about road rage.
But as I reflect on your comments, I realize that I shouldn't do so. My
actual experience is pretty much identical to yours. My S-10 lead sled
will do 70 mph, but that would really cut into my 28 mile range. To avoid
that I choose a commuting route that keeps me on roads with posted limits
of no more than 50 (mostly 35-40). When I drive 5 mph below the posted
limits many people pass me and probably 98% do so with no more than a
shoulder check for the lane change. On a few rare occasions I've had a
glare as they drive by. No big deal overall.

- Peter Flipsen Jr
http://www.evalbum.com/3739

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:32 PM, fred via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

An all-encompassing subject, I'm referring to other drivers as well as
EV drivers. A recent post by the EVangel brought this to my alleged mind.
There's a pervasive attitude that driving in a reasonable manner causes
irritation from all the other road users. Take this perspective, regardless
of your source of energy, liquid or gaseous fuel or raw electrons. Consider
also city buses, trash pickup, postal and other delivery vehicles when you
make this consideration:
You are traveling along a roadway, any roadway. Interstate, major surface
road, backwoods trail. Because you are an attentive driver, as ALL other
road users are, you noted that you are closing on a slower moving vehicle
ahead.

What do you do?
According to far too many media reports, you immediately go into rant mode
and become severely irritated that such vehicles and drivers are permitted
on the road. In some cases, there would be shouting, profanities, perhaps
horn sounding.
What do YOU do?
I check my surroundings, ahead and behind, possibly and very likely to the
sides as well. If traffic permits (multi-lane roadway, for example,) I
prepare for a lane change and overtake the other vehicle. If traffic does
not permit, I may have to prepare for a lane change and overtake the other
vehicle after waiting a moment or two. In some cases, I will slow or stop.
School bus with lights on, trash pickup, city bus taking up the entire
lane, that I missed far enough back to change lanes early. It happens.
Which driver perspective do you fit?

If you're driving a middling-performance EV or don't care to abuse your
pack, you may accelerate gradually (as I do) and your top speed may not
reach the posted limit, because you can see that the light two blocks ahead
is red or worse yet, just changed to yellow. Why punch it, only to have to
hit the brakes, as did the driver who safely passed you to beat you gently
to the traffic light?
My Gizmo EV is a 52 mph top speed, tiny three-wheeled grocery-getter. I
can pull 450 amps with the controller and 540 amps with the 3C pack I
carry. Why should I? I drive 35-40 on surface streets. My 2002 Rav4EV can
do 78 mph, but I won't get my usual 80-90 mile range from it at those
speeds. I drive 35-40 on surface streets. My no-longer-used velomobile
managed 20 mph on good days and that was it.
My experience with other road users is they are not ranting and screaming
and sounding horns. The other road users will pass when safe and almost
always pass when on a multi-lane roadway. Exceptions such as today's
cell-phone using driver coasting along six inches behind me at 30 mph on a
four lane road are just that, exceptional. Yeah, right, and more common
than not.
The media has it wrong and has brain-washed too many people. It does the
EV world no good to consider that a 40 mph EV won't do the job because it
won't break the speed limit on an interstate highway. I don't take the
Gizmo EV on the interstate, but I do drive the Rav4EV on one, at 5-10 mph
below the posted speed limit. You know what happens? People go around me.
Funny thing, I go around those drivers ahead of me traveling slower, too.
My posting isn't going to change the media's ignorance, but maybe it will
change some EV driver's understanding. /rant off
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Re: [EVDL] Scrapping an EV

2015-01-16 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

I would just start calling the wrecking yards.  You might find one who will
haul it away for free - I'm guessing that's the best you could hope for.
Also check Craigslist. I've seen ads for people looking for scrap cars.

My dad just got rid of a collision damaged but complete car and an auto
wrecker came and got it and paid him $200. What you have will be of much
less interest unless it is a  unique or rare model.

Peter Flipsen Jr
On Jan 14, 2015 12:42 AM, Bill Dennis via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

 I didn't have any takers on my Starter EV, Just Add Batteries offer.  So
 I'm just going to take out all the EV components and scrap the car.  What's
 the procedure for getting a motor-less car to a junk yard?  Do you have to
 pay them to pick up the car, or do they just come and take it off your
 hands
 for whatever remaining parts it may have?

 Thanks,

 Bill

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Re: [EVDL] VW conversion motor needed

2014-10-23 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

You probably should also check out the EV album where there are many bugs
that have already been converted.  A quick look at the first 20 or so
suggests that most people just use the stock tranny but here's one that
doesn't:

http://www.evalbum.com/3145

- Peter Flipsen Jr



On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:32 PM, David Chapman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
 wrote:

  I was wondering if anyone on the list had found a motor that is a good
 fit HP and voltage wise (120v or so) for a bug? Would like to build
 something freeway capable.

 VWs in general and Bugs (and Ghias) in particular make great EVs, such
 that there are complete kits readily available. EVWest makes and sells such
 kits built around the HPEVS AC-50 motor:


 http://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=40products_id=168osCsid=nmrirfmt2j3554kkem5mtgd0g5

 EVWest and their AC-50 kits is just an example, though seemingly a rather
 popular one. Do your research and you may well find something better suited
 to your own particular needs...but start there to get an idea of what's
 common.

 In particular, many also have had great success with Netgain's WarP 9
 motors, but the trend these days seems to be Netgain DC motors for racing
 and HPEVS AC motors for daily drivers. Trend, mind you -- you won't have
 much trouble finding exceptions. In particular, AC motors are relatively
 new on the scene, so pretty much all older conversions use DC motors.
 There're also more choices available for DC motor controllers, including
 some that put out insane amounts of electricity, which is why you're more
 likely to find DC on the racetrack. But if you're not looking for raw
 power, AC motors have much going for them over DC motors, including regen
 braking and less maintenance requirements -- though, again, DC motors are
 so superior in terms of maintenance to gasoline engines that the minimal
 maintenance of DC motors may well be negligible for you.

 Cheers,

 b
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Re: [EVDL] Under Body Pan

2014-09-18 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Buddy,

I installed a belly pan on both my previous and current EV. I know many
say it's not necessary for this reason, but I did it mainly to keep water,
dirt, and snow from getting into the engine compartment. It isn't
completely sealed off but it keeps the bulk of it out. I have no idea
whether it had any effect on range since I did it virtually from the
beginning in both cases. I used heavy gauge (but still flexible) plastic
called Plastex that I bought in 4' by 8' sheets at Home Depot. It seems to
have held up well. There's a picture of what it looks like from my previous
EV here: http://www.evalbum.com/1974

- Peter Flipsen Jr
Hillsboro, OR

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Russ Sciville via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

My Lotus Elise EV has both air dam and under body pans from front to back
so it is totally flat underneath.

I guess if Lotus fit them then there must be a reason as Colin Chapman,
the founder, was known for not adding anything unlessit increased
lightness. :-)

Russ

On Thu, 18/9/14, Peter C. Thompson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

Subject: Re: [EVDL] Under Body Pan
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Date: Thursday, 18 September, 2014, 15:45

Hi Buddy,

I actually installed an air
dam to improve the airflow. I also added
some air guides on the side of the car to help
direct airflow around the
passenger
compartment.

It really
depends on the aerodynamics of your car as to what would
improve it. I got lucky in that a professor
did a study on the Porsche
914, and showed
where to improve the car. Wheel covers provide a huge
improvement, BTW - more than fender skirts.

Cheers, Peter

On 9/18/14,
7:37 AM, Buddy Mills via EV wrote:
Has
anyone else installed a body pan for aerodynamics? I just
put one under
my electercel front to
back, minus a 9 for a fan intake. .064 Sheet
aluminum with some 1 square tube
under the motor bay for support. After
doing my regular drive of 84 miles round
trip several times it seems to
getting
3% to 6% increase in mileage at ~50mph avg.
I am thinking fender

skirts on the rear next.

Buddy Mills

mailto:buddymi...@cox.net
buddymi...@cox.net

Look mom, no gas.
http://www.evalbum.com/2887 http://www.evalbum.com/2887

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animals were harmed or killed in the process of writing
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Re: [EVDL] How crazy am I?

2014-07-24 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Ben,

I'm not an engineer but I don't think you can add up the amps in a series
configuration.  If the batteries are connected in series, the same current
flows through all of them at the same time (it doesn't spread out the
current load).  Think of a chain is only as strong as its weakest link -
in this case the whole string can only handle 80A amps.  If you put 3600
amps through the pack each battery would get that same load at the same
time and would fry them all spectacularly!

- Peter Flipsen Jr


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

 On Jul 22, 2014, at 8:21 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
 wrote:

  For example, the CALB 40ah cells I mentioned are rated for a maximum
  discharge of 2C (80 amps).  At 144v, 80a is 11.5kW.  Allowing for losses,
  that's only about 12hp from your motor!

 I think I may be a bit confused.

 If a single 40 Ah cell can provide 80 A (for a little while), shouldn't 45
 of those 40 Ah cells be able to provide 80 A * 45 = 3600 A? That 80 A would
 be at 3.2 V for 256 W. All 45 cells would be at 144 V, for 518.4 kW or ~
 500 hp. That's three times the power of the 260 Windsor engine in the car
 today, and substantially more than you're going to get in a stock muscle
 car of any era -- and way more than even a pair of AC-50s or WarP 9s is
 rated for.

 So...does discharge scale with the number of batteries, or is it limited
 by the discharge of a single cell? If the former, I should be more than
 fine with a 45-cell pack of CALB 40 Ah batteries or equivalent. If the
 latter...I'm likely screwed

 Thanks,

 b
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Re: [EVDL] winter parking brake

2014-06-20 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

Although I now live in Oregon, I grew up in northern Alberta Canada where
temps can get to -30 for extended periods in the winter. I remember
hearing the brake will freeze thing but I also regularly used it in my
manual transmission vehicles. Like Michael I never had a problem.

Peter Flipsen Jr
On Jun 20, 2014 9:17 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

Medium duty trucks used to have drive shaft brakes that could be cobbled
from junkyard parts.

I use the hand brake on all manner of vehicles (yes, sometimes up north in
the winter). I do not find this to be a problem. Is this just habit based
on older vehicles? I seem to remember having to jog some truck other to
get the rear wheels to turn, but I didn't quit using the E brake all
together and the problem was not chronic.

Another alternative is to turn your wheels so thy hit the curb. You need a
little incline for this.

Or instead of chocks you can swing a 4 foot length of chain around a wheel
so it wraps into the crack fore and aft the contact patch.

On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Cor van de Water via EV
ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

Some factory conversions like the US Electricar
have added the shifter from the automatic gearbox version,
as well as the parking pawl that drops into the teeth on
the flywheel IIRC, the rest of the shifter is unused except
for operating a switch that tells the controller whether it
needs to move the vehicle forward or reverse (and it can
activate different regen settings for the different forward
gear selection positions).

For a home conversion - I don't know. Carry a cobblestone to
place in front of the wheel?

Cor van de Water
Chief Scientist
Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info
Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of xfmr via EV
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 8:38 AM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: [EVDL] winter parking brake

I searched but didn't find a similar question. If one exists and I
missed it
please redirect me.

My question concerns manual transmissions and parking in the winter. We
don't use a parking brake in the winter here since the pads and shoes
freeze
to metal parts. With no engine compression to hold the vehicle what
have
others done?

Thank you for replys

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Re: [EVDL] FLA battery terminals lugs

2014-06-03 Thread SLPinfo.org via EV

My experience with my S-10 and 8 volt floodies is pretty much the same as
Jay's.  My batteries have studs, but I use Belleville washers under the nut
rather than lock washers.

Peter Flipsen Jr
On Jun 3, 2014 1:42 AM, Jay Summet via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

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 I have an S-10 electric conversion with 20 6 Volt golf cart batteries.
 They have studs. I am on my 2nd set of batteries and haven't melted
 any lead or had any studs pull out.

 I tighten them with a small (6) wrench wrapped in electrical tape, so
 can't get too much torque on them, and I don't try to tighten them as
 tight as I could get them even with that small wrench.

 I do check tightness after the first two weeks of driving, and then
 again every 1-2 months when I water the batteries. I also use lock
 washers just under the nut and haven't found many that need tightening
 when I check. (and after I tightened up the one or two nuts on my
 first check after switching packs or adding the PakTraker system they
 usually all stay put after that)

 The batteries are well packed into the battery boxes with foam, so
 they don't move around, and then 2/0 wires have enough slack so that
 the lugs shouldn't be moving around or putting pressure on the
 studs/nuts as the truck bounces around.

 The controller is rated at 500 amps max, ( Curtis 1231C-86) and I
 typically average 75-120 amps and sometimes pull at least 200-300 amps
 for at least 20-30 seconds at a time when going up long hills, etc

 [Usually the motor current maxes out at 500 amps when starting from a
 dead stop, but the battery current is lowerand the batteries don't
 seem to provide the full 500 amps when I have the throttle wide open
 at full speed...250-300 battery amps is the largest I've seen on the
 PakTrakr]

 http://www.evalbum.com/3693

 Jay


 On 06/02/2014 10:56 AM, KenA via EV wrote:
  The maximum amperage of my system is 500 and it typically doesn't
  exceed 300. Would studs and lugs usually work for that?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Ken
 
 
 
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