Re: [EVDL] This is one future for mass produced electric vehicles.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

A tandem three wheeler like the Greenspeed.  Low the the ground and good aero.  
First dam off the front with a good fairing then build a frame work to support 
the panels.  At this point if it is stiff enough to resist the wind, ala the 
Elf,one might think about some sort of under cover and doors.  The doors might 
be hard  Lawrence Rhodes.. 
http://ropeandcanvas.blogspot.com/2015/02/greenspeed-gtt-2s-recumbent-tandem.html

Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> It's a matter of money.

You can be pretty tricky to build it on a budget. Dave Cloud, Cedric 
Lynch, and Jerry Dycus have all built examples of very efficient 
vehicles on tiny budgets. They may look a bit funky, but it's a 
prototype! :-)

> I am thinking of using a tandem recumbent bicycle with 20" wheels.

Tandem? A 3-wheeler?


> This should support 750watts of solar.

Have you thought about how to keep the PV panels from acting like a sail 
and tipping it over? A friend of mine built a PV recumbent trike, and 
had problems with wind.

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Re: [EVDL] This is one future for mass produced electric vehicles.

[Jim Walls via EV]

On 8/13/2016 11:29, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

It's a matter of money.  I am thinking of using a tandem recumbent bicycle with 
20" wheels.  This should support 750watts of solar.  With a 7.5kw battery it 
will charge in 10 sunny hours.  As a moped class vehicle it will have a very long 
range.  I will probably make use of Zzipper fairing molded into the sides and 
bottom.  This will be moderately expensive.  Under 10k.


And how would you manager to mount 750 watts of solar on a tandem 
recumbent bike?  That's something on the order of 40 or so square feet.


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Re: [EVDL] This is one future for mass produced electric vehicles.

[Lee Hart via EV]

Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

It's a matter of money.


You can be pretty tricky to build it on a budget. Dave Cloud, Cedric 
Lynch, and Jerry Dycus have all built examples of very efficient 
vehicles on tiny budgets. They may look a bit funky, but it's a 
prototype! :-)



I am thinking of using a tandem recumbent bicycle with 20" wheels.


Tandem? A 3-wheeler?


This should support 750watts of solar.


Have you thought about how to keep the PV panels from acting like a sail 
and tipping it over? A friend of mine built a PV recumbent trike, and 
had problems with wind.


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nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
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Re: [EVDL] This is one future for mass produced electric vehicles.

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

My electric recumbant trike is now on sale on Craigs list.  It seemed like
a fantastic idea for my 15 mile commute with 12 miles of it on a
rail-to-trail flat run.

But I only did it once.  I was scared to death on the 3 miles of suburban
roads to get to the traiil.  Looking right and left, all I could only see
were hubcaps.  My turning radius was worse than a prius.  It was a major
evolution to get up from the bikes 10" off the pavement bucket seat.
Futher with THREE wheels you stand a 100% chance of hitting every bump
there is. (compared to one wheel line of a conventional bike where you can
miss anything you want).

Bottom line, if anything even the slightest unsafe cropped up, I was going
to hit it and be dead meat.  The experience was nothing like riding a
normal bike where my  line of sight was 5 feet HIGHER and my center of
gravity was ABOVE the hood of any car I might hit (and I could roll over
it).  I could also turn on a dime, jump off the bike, duck, swerve, or
otherwise have a good cance of missing a hazard.

Nope.  Made no sense (to me). ... but only after I bought it and rode it
once.

Bob, WB4APR


On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
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> David,
>
> It's a matter of money.  I am thinking of using a tandem recumbent bicycle
> with 20" wheels.  This should support 750watts of solar.  With a 7.5kw
> battery it will charge in 10 sunny hours.  As a moped class vehicle it will
> have a very long range.  I will probably make use of Zzipper fairing molded
> into the sides and bottom.  This will be moderately expensive.  Under 10k.
> Lawrence
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Re: [EVDL] This is one future for mass produced electric vehicles.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

David,

It's a matter of money.  I am thinking of using a tandem recumbent bicycle with 
20" wheels.  This should support 750watts of solar.  With a 7.5kw battery it 
will charge in 10 sunny hours.  As a moped class vehicle it will have a very 
long range.  I will probably make use of Zzipper fairing molded into the sides 
and bottom.  This will be moderately expensive.  Under 10k.  Lawrence
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Re: [EVDL] This is one future for mass produced electric vehicles.

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

On 12 Aug 2016 at 16:23, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

> I saw the original Stella at the Dutch consulate in San Francisco. 

Hi Lawrence.  I'm surprised to see that you haven't posted about Stella in 
quite a while.  You seemed pretty interested in it about a year or two ago, 
talking about it in something over 20 posts IIRC.  

It's an intriguing concept IMO but would have an uphill climb here in the 
States.  Maybe it would have a better chance at sales in some of the 
Scandinavian nations, where IIRC vehicle taxes are extremely high, if the 
taxes were waived for it in order to provide a big incentive.

Do I recall right that you have a Leaf now?  Are you still planning to build 
your own copy of the Stella?  I remember you posted several questions and 
thoughts about it, such as what wheels to use and so on.  Did you ever 
decide on anything?  

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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[EVDL] This is one future for mass produced electric vehicles.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

I saw the original Stella at the Dutch consulate in San Francisco.  Four people 
fit comfortably & it had a big trunk.  The current Stella Lux is more efficient 
and more comfortable with 4 doors and the hatch.  It can on a sunny day with a 
full charge go 1000 km at freeway speeds.  Their website has a lot of 
information.  Imagine a vehicle which you want to park in the sun and never 
plug in.  Lawrence Rhodes  


http://www.solarteameindhoven.nl/#
http://sinovoltaics.com/technology/stella-lux-winner-of-world-solar-challenge-visits-shanghai/
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