Re: [EVDL] 199x production: Ford Ranger EV
Benjamin Nelson has one https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmHss3DBZUinic8TbuaNqRsyZnxhM0svj On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 19:26, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > > On 11 Sep 2019 at 20:08, paul dove via EV wrote: > > > I read an article a while back that Toyota and Tesla were going to team up > > and > > resurrect the RAV4 EV with Tesla batteries. Maybe you could find some info > > on > > that. > > Is this a new effort, or are you thinking of the brief partnership between > Toyota and Tesla a few years ago? They sold a second generation RAV4-EV > from 2012 to 2014. It was complete Tesla batteries and drivetrains > installed in RAV4s. > > This is discussed a little in the RAV4-EV Wikipedia article. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_RAV4_EV > > Also, going back to the original subject, there were two production Ranger > EVs. The first one was done by a "Ford qualified upfitter" on gliders > supplied by Ford. I think that was the one that used the Siemens drive, but > I'm not sure any more; it's been a while and I didn't pay that much > attention. :-( > > The second one, years later, was an in-house Ford project. > > At least one of these used oddball 8 volt lead batteries. IIRC, they were > custom designed by East Penn. Olaf Bleck bought a bunch of them surplus, > and won the 2001 and 2002 Tours de Sol by using them in a range extending > trailer > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -- Paul Compton www.morini-mania.co.uk www.paulcompton.co.uk (YouTube channel) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] 199x production: Ford Ranger EV
On 11 Sep 2019 at 20:08, paul dove via EV wrote: > I read an article a while back that Toyota and Tesla were going to team up and > resurrect the RAV4 EV with Tesla batteries. Maybe you could find some info on > that. Is this a new effort, or are you thinking of the brief partnership between Toyota and Tesla a few years ago? They sold a second generation RAV4-EV from 2012 to 2014. It was complete Tesla batteries and drivetrains installed in RAV4s. This is discussed a little in the RAV4-EV Wikipedia article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_RAV4_EV Also, going back to the original subject, there were two production Ranger EVs. The first one was done by a "Ford qualified upfitter" on gliders supplied by Ford. I think that was the one that used the Siemens drive, but I'm not sure any more; it's been a while and I didn't pay that much attention. :-( The second one, years later, was an in-house Ford project. At least one of these used oddball 8 volt lead batteries. IIRC, they were custom designed by East Penn. Olaf Bleck bought a bunch of them surplus, and won the 2001 and 2002 Tours de Sol by using them in a range extending trailer David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] 199x production: Ford Ranger EV
Paul,
I have actually been in the new RAV EV with Tesla drive train, but it is an
entirely different model vehicle.
Cor.
On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 8:17 PM paul dove via EV wrote:
> I read an article a while back that Toyota and Tesla were going to team up
> and resurrect the RAV4 EV with Tesla batteries. Maybe you could find some
> info on that.
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 1:13:36 PM CDT, Cor van de Water via
> EV wrote:
>
> My daily driver is a "factory" converted US Electricar, built in 1994
> from an S10 longbed glider. Over 100 were built and several still on
> the road.
> I also have a 2002 Rav4 EV with tired NiMH pack, so am working with
> local EV'ers to find a way to convert to Lithium. Problem is the odd
> shaped pack outline, which is made from Fiberglass and the option to
> convert to Lithium (Leaf batteries) requires either to increase the
> volume of the box slightly to fit a dual string of Leaf batteries (at
> lower operating voltage) or be satisfied with a single string, which
> severely eats into the range of the vehicle...
> Anybody here has done such a conversion?
> Cor.
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 10:51 AM brucedp5 via EV
> wrote:
> >
> > Ed sez:
> > >Will be showing it this Sat at Berkeley's drive electric event. Three
> years
> > driving strong on a lithium (enerdel) pack. 70-80 mpc range. Love it. <
> >
> > I'm glad Ed is able to keep that 1990's vintage EV alive.
> > That's a glint of the difference between the SF-bay area ndew EVents
> where
> > every type
> > (old &new) EVs are shown, compared to here in San_Antonio-TX (sa) where
> the
> > ndew EVs
> > are almost all newer production EVs
> >
> > (next Sat 9/14 I'll be at the Austin ndew with 51 plugins registered to
> > attend
> > https://driveelectricweek.org/event.php?eventid=2009
> >
> > and the following Sat 9/21 I'll be at sa's ndew with 40 plugins
> registered
> > to attend
> > https://driveelectricweek.org/event.php?eventid=1766
> > ).
> >
> > EV-history: Back in the 1990's the automakers gathered to decide what EV
> > type
> > each were to make (so they would not conflict with each other's
> marketing).
> > Chrysler chose an e-van. Ford chose their lower cost light truck to base
> > theirs
> > on. Other automakers chose other vehicle types.
> >
> > Paper-print pr had FMC stating their EV marketing would be for fleets
> (as in
> > for businesses, government agencies, and as park maintenance vehicles).
> > Later, that changed to where some private individuals could lease and
> later
> > buy the Ford Ranger-EV.
> >
> > Ford's design was quite different than say the RAV4-EV. Look at
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger_EV#Driveline
> > Ed's li-ion pack range is only a little larger than the original NiMH
> pack.
> >
> >
> https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2019/01/1862/1048/ranger-ev-ex.jpg?ve=1&tl=1
> > Ford's transaxle direct drive using a siemens AC e-motor, was by design
> able
> > to drive at highway speeds, but that was not its main decided use (see
> page
> > 13 of85).
> > https://avt.inl.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/fsev/ranger_nimh_report.pdf
> >
> > I remember transcribing many a paper pr blurb back then, to post on the
> > evdl,
> > stating a city_park.us had acquired a Ford Ranger-EV to be used for
> > maintenance
> > work. The Ford Ranger EV was not designed to compete with GM's EV1,
> > Honda's EV-plus, nor TMC's RAV4-EV(gen1).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > For EVLN EV-newswire posts use:
> > http://evdl.org/archive/
> >
> >
> > {brucedp.neocities.org}
> >
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Re: [EVDL] 199x production: Ford Ranger EV
I read an article a while back that Toyota and Tesla were going to team up and
resurrect the RAV4 EV with Tesla batteries. Maybe you could find some info on
that.
On Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 1:13:36 PM CDT, Cor van de Water via EV
wrote:
My daily driver is a "factory" converted US Electricar, built in 1994
from an S10 longbed glider. Over 100 were built and several still on
the road.
I also have a 2002 Rav4 EV with tired NiMH pack, so am working with
local EV'ers to find a way to convert to Lithium. Problem is the odd
shaped pack outline, which is made from Fiberglass and the option to
convert to Lithium (Leaf batteries) requires either to increase the
volume of the box slightly to fit a dual string of Leaf batteries (at
lower operating voltage) or be satisfied with a single string, which
severely eats into the range of the vehicle...
Anybody here has done such a conversion?
Cor.
On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 10:51 AM brucedp5 via EV wrote:
>
> Ed sez:
> >Will be showing it this Sat at Berkeley's drive electric event. Three years
> driving strong on a lithium (enerdel) pack. 70-80 mpc range. Love it. <
>
> I'm glad Ed is able to keep that 1990's vintage EV alive.
> That's a glint of the difference between the SF-bay area ndew EVents where
> every type
> (old &new) EVs are shown, compared to here in San_Antonio-TX (sa) where the
> ndew EVs
> are almost all newer production EVs
>
> (next Sat 9/14 I'll be at the Austin ndew with 51 plugins registered to
> attend
> https://driveelectricweek.org/event.php?eventid=2009
>
> and the following Sat 9/21 I'll be at sa's ndew with 40 plugins registered
> to attend
> https://driveelectricweek.org/event.php?eventid=1766
> ).
>
> EV-history: Back in the 1990's the automakers gathered to decide what EV
> type
> each were to make (so they would not conflict with each other's marketing).
> Chrysler chose an e-van. Ford chose their lower cost light truck to base
> theirs
> on. Other automakers chose other vehicle types.
>
> Paper-print pr had FMC stating their EV marketing would be for fleets (as in
> for businesses, government agencies, and as park maintenance vehicles).
> Later, that changed to where some private individuals could lease and later
> buy the Ford Ranger-EV.
>
> Ford's design was quite different than say the RAV4-EV. Look at
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger_EV#Driveline
> Ed's li-ion pack range is only a little larger than the original NiMH pack.
>
> https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2019/01/1862/1048/ranger-ev-ex.jpg?ve=1&tl=1
> Ford's transaxle direct drive using a siemens AC e-motor, was by design able
> to drive at highway speeds, but that was not its main decided use (see page
> 13 of85).
> https://avt.inl.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/fsev/ranger_nimh_report.pdf
>
> I remember transcribing many a paper pr blurb back then, to post on the
> evdl,
> stating a city_park.us had acquired a Ford Ranger-EV to be used for
> maintenance
> work. The Ford Ranger EV was not designed to compete with GM's EV1,
> Honda's EV-plus, nor TMC's RAV4-EV(gen1).
>
>
>
>
> For EVLN EV-newswire posts use:
> http://evdl.org/archive/
>
>
> {brucedp.neocities.org}
>
> --
> Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/
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Re: [EVDL] 199x production: Ford Ranger EV
This would have been illegal, of course. Do you have any evidence of this? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Sep 11, 2019, at 10:51 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > EV-history: Back in the 1990's the automakers gathered to decide what EV > type > each were to make (so they would not conflict with each other's marketing). ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] 199x production: Ford Ranger EV
My daily driver is a "factory" converted US Electricar, built in 1994
from an S10 longbed glider. Over 100 were built and several still on
the road.
I also have a 2002 Rav4 EV with tired NiMH pack, so am working with
local EV'ers to find a way to convert to Lithium. Problem is the odd
shaped pack outline, which is made from Fiberglass and the option to
convert to Lithium (Leaf batteries) requires either to increase the
volume of the box slightly to fit a dual string of Leaf batteries (at
lower operating voltage) or be satisfied with a single string, which
severely eats into the range of the vehicle...
Anybody here has done such a conversion?
Cor.
On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 10:51 AM brucedp5 via EV wrote:
>
> Ed sez:
> >Will be showing it this Sat at Berkeley's drive electric event. Three years
> driving strong on a lithium (enerdel) pack. 70-80 mpc range. Love it. <
>
> I'm glad Ed is able to keep that 1990's vintage EV alive.
> That's a glint of the difference between the SF-bay area ndew EVents where
> every type
> (old &new) EVs are shown, compared to here in San_Antonio-TX (sa) where the
> ndew EVs
> are almost all newer production EVs
>
> (next Sat 9/14 I'll be at the Austin ndew with 51 plugins registered to
> attend
> https://driveelectricweek.org/event.php?eventid=2009
>
> and the following Sat 9/21 I'll be at sa's ndew with 40 plugins registered
> to attend
> https://driveelectricweek.org/event.php?eventid=1766
> ).
>
> EV-history: Back in the 1990's the automakers gathered to decide what EV
> type
> each were to make (so they would not conflict with each other's marketing).
> Chrysler chose an e-van. Ford chose their lower cost light truck to base
> theirs
> on. Other automakers chose other vehicle types.
>
> Paper-print pr had FMC stating their EV marketing would be for fleets (as in
> for businesses, government agencies, and as park maintenance vehicles).
> Later, that changed to where some private individuals could lease and later
> buy the Ford Ranger-EV.
>
> Ford's design was quite different than say the RAV4-EV. Look at
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger_EV#Driveline
> Ed's li-ion pack range is only a little larger than the original NiMH pack.
>
> https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2019/01/1862/1048/ranger-ev-ex.jpg?ve=1&tl=1
> Ford's transaxle direct drive using a siemens AC e-motor, was by design able
> to drive at highway speeds, but that was not its main decided use (see page
> 13 of85).
> https://avt.inl.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/fsev/ranger_nimh_report.pdf
>
> I remember transcribing many a paper pr blurb back then, to post on the
> evdl,
> stating a city_park.us had acquired a Ford Ranger-EV to be used for
> maintenance
> work. The Ford Ranger EV was not designed to compete with GM's EV1,
> Honda's EV-plus, nor TMC's RAV4-EV(gen1).
>
>
>
>
> For EVLN EV-newswire posts use:
> http://evdl.org/archive/
>
>
> {brucedp.neocities.org}
>
> --
> Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/
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