Re: [EVDL] EVLN: iMiev remains cheap EV champ> [charging at work]
On 03/04/2015 03:41 PM, Bill Dube via EV wrote: You can charge more than 16 kWh during a normal workday from a 120V - 20A outlet. At 3.4 mi/kWh that is more than 50 miles. Thus, Level 1 (120V - 20A) work quite well for most commuters and most EVs. I agree that a 120v outlet that can be used for 8-10 hours will satisfy most needs. However, my imiev will not reliably charge at more than 800 watts at 120. That's about 3mph and about 20 hours for a full charge on a depleted battery. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: iMiev remains cheap EV champ> [charging at work]
Actually all L1 that I have seen will limit charging power to about 1500W or even 12A at 120V just so you won't start burning up outlets and cords and also to co-exist with a small load already on the circuit (I charge in my garage and it already has a few small loads such as the garage lights, door opener, tool battery chargers and a few other things besides my EV). I always charge at work from a regular 120V outlet, that is why I carry a 12 gauge extension cord, I can charge almost anywhere and even if I am over 10kWh down due to previous errands, by the end of the work day I am usually nearing a full charge so no issue in making even more errands on the way home... If your commute is more than 50 miles one way, you will have a much smaller selection of EVs to choose from. My question would be why are you living so far away from work, I certainly prefer to be within bicycling distance and I usually move if work is too far away... Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dube via EV Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:42 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: iMiev remains cheap EV champ> [charging at work] You can charge more than 16 kWh during a normal workday from a 120V - 20A outlet. At 3.4 mi/kWh that is more than 50 miles. Thus, Level 1 (120V - 20A) work quite well for most commuters and most EVs. Bill D. On 3/4/2015 2:29 PM, Paul Dove via EV wrote: > All the EVs I have seen go at least 50 miles > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > >>> I have a 25 mile commute and with no charging station. >>> I'm at 50 mile range round trip. >>> [so] I am*not* a candidate for most EVs. >>> ... if my company put a charging station or two up I would jump for it. >> Not really, A "charging station or two" would mean you would be >> fighting every day with the other EV drivers over who is blocking the >> station... >> and/or wasting a half hour a day going out and moving your car and >> then mid-day trying to find another parking space.. *every day* to share. >> >> So a "charging station" is the last thing you want from your employer >> if you can instead get him to let you plug into an existing 120v >> outlet or if he will spring for something, then a DOZEN 120v outlets >> ($15 a piece from Home Depot). >> >> Then you can park all day, pick up 40 miles range by quitting time >> and have plenty of range AND NO CHARGER ANXIETY or ANIMOSITY. >> >> Installing "charging stations" for employees makes practically zero >> ergonomic sense (beyond one for transients)... >> >> Now "charging outlets" or L1 cords is another matter. They are >> virtually going to be a NECESSITY at all large employers with a happy >> workforce... >> >> TERMINOLOGY MATTERS! >> >> Said another way, "there will never be enough "charging stations" for >> people to just park at all day long! The cost is unsustainable at >> the growth rate EV's will eventually reach! >> >> See http://aprs.org/EV-charging-everywhere.html >> >> Bob, WB4APR >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: iMiev remains cheap EV champ> [charging at work]
You can charge more than 16 kWh during a normal workday from a 120V - 20A outlet. At 3.4 mi/kWh that is more than 50 miles. Thus, Level 1 (120V - 20A) work quite well for most commuters and most EVs. Bill D. On 3/4/2015 2:29 PM, Paul Dove via EV wrote: All the EVs I have seen go at least 50 miles Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: I have a 25 mile commute and with no charging station. I'm at 50 mile range round trip. [so] I am*not* a candidate for most EVs. ... if my company put a charging station or two up I would jump for it. Not really, A "charging station or two" would mean you would be fighting every day with the other EV drivers over who is blocking the station... and/or wasting a half hour a day going out and moving your car and then mid-day trying to find another parking space.. *every day* to share. So a "charging station" is the last thing you want from your employer if you can instead get him to let you plug into an existing 120v outlet or if he will spring for something, then a DOZEN 120v outlets ($15 a piece from Home Depot). Then you can park all day, pick up 40 miles range by quitting time and have plenty of range AND NO CHARGER ANXIETY or ANIMOSITY. Installing "charging stations" for employees makes practically zero ergonomic sense (beyond one for transients)... Now "charging outlets" or L1 cords is another matter. They are virtually going to be a NECESSITY at all large employers with a happy workforce... TERMINOLOGY MATTERS! Said another way, "there will never be enough "charging stations" for people to just park at all day long! The cost is unsustainable at the growth rate EV's will eventually reach! See http://aprs.org/EV-charging-everywhere.html Bob, WB4APR ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: iMiev remains cheap EV champ> [charging at work]
All the EVs I have seen go at least 50 miles Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >> I have a 25 mile commute and with no charging station. >> I'm at 50 mile range round trip. >> [so] I am*not* a candidate for most EVs. >> ... if my company put a charging station or two up I would jump for it. > > Not really, A "charging station or two" would mean you would be fighting > every day with the other EV drivers over who is blocking the station... > and/or wasting a half hour a day going out and moving your car and then > mid-day trying to find another parking space.. *every day* to share. > > So a "charging station" is the last thing you want from your employer if > you can instead get him to let you plug into an existing 120v outlet or if > he will spring for something, then a DOZEN 120v outlets ($15 a piece from > Home Depot). > > Then you can park all day, pick up 40 miles range by quitting time and > have plenty of range AND NO CHARGER ANXIETY or ANIMOSITY. > > Installing "charging stations" for employees makes practically zero > ergonomic sense (beyond one for transients)... > > Now "charging outlets" or L1 cords is another matter. They are virtually > going to be a NECESSITY at all large employers with a happy workforce... > > TERMINOLOGY MATTERS! > > Said another way, "there will never be enough "charging stations" for > people to just park at all day long! The cost is unsustainable at the > growth rate EV's will eventually reach! > > See http://aprs.org/EV-charging-everywhere.html > > Bob, WB4APR > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: iMiev remains cheap EV champ> [charging at work]
> I have a 25 mile commute and with no charging station. > I'm at 50 mile range round trip. > [so] I am*not* a candidate for most EVs. > ... if my company put a charging station or two up I would jump for it. Not really, A "charging station or two" would mean you would be fighting every day with the other EV drivers over who is blocking the station... and/or wasting a half hour a day going out and moving your car and then mid-day trying to find another parking space.. *every day* to share. So a "charging station" is the last thing you want from your employer if you can instead get him to let you plug into an existing 120v outlet or if he will spring for something, then a DOZEN 120v outlets ($15 a piece from Home Depot). Then you can park all day, pick up 40 miles range by quitting time and have plenty of range AND NO CHARGER ANXIETY or ANIMOSITY. Installing "charging stations" for employees makes practically zero ergonomic sense (beyond one for transients)... Now "charging outlets" or L1 cords is another matter. They are virtually going to be a NECESSITY at all large employers with a happy workforce... TERMINOLOGY MATTERS! Said another way, "there will never be enough "charging stations" for people to just park at all day long! The cost is unsustainable at the growth rate EV's will eventually reach! See http://aprs.org/EV-charging-everywhere.html Bob, WB4APR ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
