Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at 0156:65089137.

[Adil Azad]

Hello!
 I am facing a problem in my exchange network. One of
my client facing the problem that every time when  he
opens MS Word 2000 or MS Excel 2000 files he received
the following error:

Excel caused an invalid page fault in module VBE6.dll
at 0156:65089137.

I am reinstall his whole system and install Windows 98
and MS Office , but the problem is persist.

Any suggestions

regards
Adil

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RE: Ex 5.5 Public Folder Permissions

[Tristan Gayford]

In short no - if you give them change permissions, you may as well give them
full owner (bit like NTFS, really). This is a definite user training issue
for you and Ed's famous quote comes in here... 

'There are seldom good technical solutions for behavioral problems'

Alternatively, you could use Publishing Editor which gives most of your
requests.

Tris


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Sent: 18 October 2001 08:03
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Ex 5.5 Public Folder Permissions


I am having a little difficulty with "owners" of folders deleting the top
level folder for their group. Our environment has 500 or so Org Units and
each org unit has a public folder visible to the whole org unit. Within the
Org unit we assign 1 or 2 users with "owner" rights, and the rest of the
members of the org unit are listed with "author" rights.

Our problem is that the "owners" are accidently deleting the top level
folders. 

Is there a way that we can assign permissions to someone which will allow
them to: 
change the client permissions for the folder;
view, edit and delete messages;
create and delete subfolders;
but not delete the top level folder?

If you have any ideas I am happy to test and investigate further.

Thanks and best regards

Jason Tuffin
CSC Exchange Server Support
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RE: Better Version

[Tristan Gayford]

But what Sander was saying is that this is an open question. Each
organization in the world will have different goals, demands, needs. What is
good for me is not necessarily good for anyone else. I may be happy with
Exchange 5.5 with NT 4 and no intention to move to Windows 2000 AD for
another two years. I have no problems from either server or clients and is
the best product based on what my users want and the knowledge from the
support guys. In that case 5.5 is the best product. Or I may use OWA
exclusively and have a Windows 2000 domain fully configured and no Exchange
server in place yet - wouldn't Exchange 2000 be best?

Without the additional information on what you are running now, what you
want to achieve and the levels of support you have within your company, it
is not really a question anyone can answer with any degree of usefullness.
It is easy to ask a simple question, but what you get back will mainly be
simple answers that you cannot take much from.

Remember, mileage may vary.

Tris

-Original Message-
From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 18 October 2001 08:06
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Better Version


Unfortunately members like your seem to have enough time to sit there and
type an email while you have nothing better to do...

I am sure that most of us on this list are busy running around, and don't
have time to type CRAP out

So.. Thanks to those of you who replied to me in a serious fashion (online
or offline) Like Tim Ault (Thanks Tim)

So.. Sander Van But-sit-still-nothing-better-2-do-zer "Get a job were you
earn your living...!! - and don't clog peoples mail with Crap"

Cheers





-Original Message-
From: Sander Van Butzelaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 5:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Better Version


His question is on the same lines as: "GM vs.Toyota?". The question means
nothing, the only true answer he should be getting is "It depends on his
local situation." I agree there is merit in analyzing which of the two
Exchange systems suits one better, but only if you take all the factors into
account. Adriaan, apart from sending it 4 times, gives no information. I
know it is a dead horse, but isn't one supposed to do a least a bit of
homework before asking a question? The result of that would be a qualified
question, not a broad topic which can be interpreted anyway you want. I see
some answers have gone the "benefits of win2k" route, some look at costs etc
which could or could not be relevant.

Has Adriaan put any thought into this? I don't think so, hence my response
(plus his previous questions to this forum also don't convince me he makes
any effort of solving his own questions) Good thing my old Unix pal didn't
see his post, he would just mail the guy - RTFM. (not that that necessarily
solves anything)

So, put in its proper context it is a good question, coming from Adriaan
like this, it is not.

Sander

-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 5:15 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Better Version


Why is this a dumb question? This is a very good question, in fact.
Corporations have been struggling with this questions for over a year.
 
No less than Tony Redmond breeched the subject at MECC '2000 and again at
the MEC earlier this month.

There are good reasons to move to Ex2k. The decision is a little easier for
those shops that have no exchsrvr, or where NT does is not the primary f&p
sharing service. Then there are the "one issue" folks: OWA2k is important to
us, multiple storage groups is important to us, etc.

Let's make no bones about it: building Ex2k is a significant undertaking.
And one that takes careful planning and good understanding of AD
(whazzat?)
and x.500 (comeagain?) and 2k's accessory constituent requirements (RG, CA,
SG, ADC, MMC..hey wherez Admin?). The daunting reality of incorporating an
moving to a new OS along with a new email server software gives some pause
and reconsider the value-add that is compelling it. And rightfully so, I
think.

Tim.



-Original Message-
From: Sander Van Butzelaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:27 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Better Version


Are you really this daft or just playing the fool? Unfortunately, there
appears to be nothing wrong with your send button, can you try disabling it?

Sander

-Original Message-
From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Better Version


Exchange 2K or 5.5?

Thanks

Adriaan Van Huissteden

Network Administrator
Connect Credit Union
Phone: (03) 6233 0660



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RE: Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at 0156:65089137.

[Joyce, Louis]

do the files open successfully on another PC?

Have they been sent via email?

Regards

Mr Louis Joyce
Computer Support Analyst
Network Administrator
BT Ignite eSolutions
+44 (0)1392 459155



-Original Message-
From: Adil Azad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 18 October 2001 09:10
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at 0156:65089137.


Hello!
 I am facing a problem in my exchange network. One of
my client facing the problem that every time when  he
opens MS Word 2000 or MS Excel 2000 files he received
the following error:

Excel caused an invalid page fault in module VBE6.dll
at 0156:65089137.

I am reinstall his whole system and install Windows 98
and MS Office , but the problem is persist.

Any suggestions

regards
Adil

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RE: Better Version

[Sander Van Butzelaar]

Your are a nice one to speak of "clog peoples mail with Crap", you send
the same silly question 4 times!

Anyway I will not go down to your level...

Have a nice day.

Sander

-Original Message-
From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:06 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Better Version


Unfortunately members like your seem to have enough time to sit there
and
type an email while you have nothing better to do...

I am sure that most of us on this list are busy running around, and
don't
have time to type CRAP out

So.. Thanks to those of you who replied to me in a serious fashion
(online
or offline) Like Tim Ault (Thanks Tim)

So.. Sander Van But-sit-still-nothing-better-2-do-zer "Get a job were
you
earn your living...!! - and don't clog peoples mail with Crap"

Cheers





-Original Message-
From: Sander Van Butzelaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 5:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Better Version


His question is on the same lines as: "GM vs.Toyota?". The question
means nothing, the only true answer he should be getting is "It depends
on his local situation." I agree there is merit in analyzing which of
the two Exchange systems suits one better, but only if you take all the
factors into account. Adriaan, apart from sending it 4 times, gives no
information. I know it is a dead horse, but isn't one supposed to do a
least a bit of homework before asking a question? The result of that
would be a qualified question, not a broad topic which can be
interpreted anyway you want. I see some answers have gone the "benefits
of win2k" route, some look at costs etc which could or could not be
relevant.

Has Adriaan put any thought into this? I don't think so, hence my
response (plus his previous questions to this forum also don't convince
me he makes any effort of solving his own questions) Good thing my old
Unix pal didn't see his post, he would just mail the guy - RTFM. (not
that that necessarily solves anything)

So, put in its proper context it is a good question, coming from Adriaan
like this, it is not.

Sander

-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 5:15 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Better Version


Why is this a dumb question? This is a very good question, in fact.
Corporations have been struggling with this questions for over a year.
 
No less than Tony Redmond breeched the subject at MECC '2000 and again
at
the MEC earlier this month.

There are good reasons to move to Ex2k. The decision is a little easier
for
those shops that have no exchsrvr, or where NT does is not the primary
f&p
sharing service. Then there are the "one issue" folks: OWA2k is
important to
us, multiple storage groups is important to us, etc.

Let's make no bones about it: building Ex2k is a significant
undertaking.
And one that takes careful planning and good understanding of AD
(whazzat?)
and x.500 (comeagain?) and 2k's accessory constituent requirements (RG,
CA,
SG, ADC, MMC..hey wherez Admin?). The daunting reality of incorporating
an
moving to a new OS along with a new email server software gives some
pause
and reconsider the value-add that is compelling it. And rightfully so, I
think.

Tim.



-Original Message-
From: Sander Van Butzelaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:27 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Better Version


Are you really this daft or just playing the fool?
Unfortunately, there appears to be nothing wrong with your send button,
can you try disabling it?

Sander

-Original Message-
From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Better Version


Exchange 2K or 5.5?

Thanks

Adriaan Van Huissteden

Network Administrator
Connect Credit Union
Phone: (03) 6233 0660



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RE: Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at 0156:65089137.

[Adil Azad]

Hello!
The file is open successfully in other PC.
These files are not used in e-mails.
I am also change the RAM of this computer , but the
problem is same.
Regards
Adil
--- "Joyce, Louis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> do the files open successfully on another PC?
> 
> Have they been sent via email?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Mr Louis Joyce
> Computer Support Analyst
> Network Administrator
> BT Ignite eSolutions
> +44 (0)1392 459155
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Adil Azad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 09:10
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at
> 0156:65089137.
> 
> 
> Hello!
>  I am facing a problem in my exchange network. One
> of
> my client facing the problem that every time when 
> he
> opens MS Word 2000 or MS Excel 2000 files he
> received
> the following error:
> 
> Excel caused an invalid page fault in module
> VBE6.dll
> at 0156:65089137.
> 
> I am reinstall his whole system and install Windows
> 98
> and MS Office , but the problem is persist.
> 
> Any suggestions
> 
> regards
> Adil
> 
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RE: Better Version

[Chris Scharff]

> -Original Message-
> From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:06 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Better Version
> 
> 
> Unfortunately members like your seem to have enough time to 
> sit there and type an email while you have nothing better to do...

We're being chastised for choosing to monitor this list and help people when
we can rather than working to solve world hunger? Well, I've already come up
with an answer to the latter problem so go away.
 
> I am sure that most of us on this list are busy running 
> around, and don't have time to type CRAP out

Then fscking call PSS. If you can't be bothered to ask a properly phrased
technical question then you have no right to complain about the quality of
the answer you receive. In fact I think people were quite restrained in
their responses to your pathetic inquiry. 

> So.. Thanks to those of you who replied to me in a serious 
> fashion (online or offline) Like Tim Ault (Thanks Tim)

Tim was just rhetorically exercising his mental curiosity. It was an amazing
coincidence it happened to coincide with your lame post.

> So.. Sander Van But-sit-still-nothing-better-2-do-zer "Get a 
> job were you earn your living...!! - and don't clog peoples 
> mail with Crap"

Now I don't have a complete archive imported yet, but in reviewing Sander's
posting history that I do have and comparing it to yours I have to conclude
that you inadvertently substituted "Sander Van-$foo-zer" for "Adrian
Van-I'm-a-lazy-shaved-monkey-who-is-incapable-of-forming-an-intelligent-ques
tion-den".

Next thing we know you'll be asking what the best freaking fax software is.

Stinkin troll.

> -Original Message-
> From: Sander Van Butzelaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 5:48 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Better Version
> 
> 
> His question is on the same lines as: "GM vs.Toyota?". The 
> question means nothing, the only true answer he should be 
> getting is "It depends on his local situation." I agree there 
> is merit in analyzing which of the two Exchange systems suits 
> one better, but only if you take all the factors into 
> account. Adriaan, apart from sending it 4 times, gives no 
> information. I know it is a dead horse, but isn't one 
> supposed to do a least a bit of homework before asking a 
> question? The result of that would be a qualified question, 
> not a broad topic which can be interpreted anyway you want. I 
> see some answers have gone the "benefits of win2k" route, 
> some look at costs etc which could or could not be relevant.
> 
> Has Adriaan put any thought into this? I don't think so, 
> hence my response (plus his previous questions to this forum 
> also don't convince me he makes any effort of solving his own 
> questions) Good thing my old Unix pal didn't see his post, he 
> would just mail the guy - RTFM. (not that that necessarily 
> solves anything)
> 
> So, put in its proper context it is a good question, coming 
> from Adriaan like this, it is not.
> 
> Sander
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 5:15 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Better Version
> 
> 
> Why is this a dumb question? This is a very good question, in 
> fact. Corporations have been struggling with this questions 
> for over a year.
>  
> No less than Tony Redmond breeched the subject at MECC '2000 
> and again at the MEC earlier this month.
> 
> There are good reasons to move to Ex2k. The decision is a 
> little easier for those shops that have no exchsrvr, or where 
> NT does is not the primary f&p sharing service. Then there 
> are the "one issue" folks: OWA2k is important to us, multiple 
> storage groups is important to us, etc.
> 
> Let's make no bones about it: building Ex2k is a significant 
> undertaking. And one that takes careful planning and good 
> understanding of AD
> (whazzat?)
> and x.500 (comeagain?) and 2k's accessory constituent 
> requirements (RG, CA, SG, ADC, MMC..hey wherez Admin?). The 
> daunting reality of incorporating an moving to a new OS along 
> with a new email server software gives some pause and 
> reconsider the value-add that is compelling it. And 
> rightfully so, I think.
> 
> Tim.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Sander Van Butzelaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:27 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Better Version
> 
> 
> Are you really this daft or just playing the fool? 
> Unfortunately, there appears to be nothing wrong with your 
> send button, can you try disabling it?
> 
> Sander
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:42 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Better Version
> 
> 
> Exchange 2K or 5.5?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Adriaan Van Huissteden
> 
> Network Administrator
> Connect Cred

RE: Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at 0156:65089137.

[Chris Scharff]

If they're not used in e-mails, how is this an Exchange issue exactly?

> -Original Message-
> From: Adil Azad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 4:18 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at 0156:65089137.
> 
> 
> Hello!
> The file is open successfully in other PC.
> These files are not used in e-mails.
> I am also change the RAM of this computer , but the
> problem is same.
> Regards
> Adil
> --- "Joyce, Louis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > do the files open successfully on another PC?
> > 
> > Have they been sent via email?
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Mr Louis Joyce
> > Computer Support Analyst
> > Network Administrator
> > BT Ignite eSolutions
> > +44 (0)1392 459155
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Adil Azad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 18 October 2001 09:10
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at
> > 0156:65089137.
> > 
> > 
> > Hello!
> >  I am facing a problem in my exchange network. One
> > of
> > my client facing the problem that every time when
> > he
> > opens MS Word 2000 or MS Excel 2000 files he
> > received
> > the following error:
> > 
> > Excel caused an invalid page fault in module
> > VBE6.dll
> > at 0156:65089137.
> > 
> > I am reinstall his whole system and install Windows
> > 98
> > and MS Office , but the problem is persist.
> > 
> > Any suggestions
> > 
> > regards
> > Adil
> > 
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RE: Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at 0156:65089137.

[Joyce, Louis]

Maybe the PC in question is situated 'next to' an exchange server.

;)

Regards

Mr Louis Joyce
Computer Support Analyst
Network Administrator
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-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 18 October 2001 10:14
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at 0156:65089137.


If they're not used in e-mails, how is this an Exchange issue exactly?

> -Original Message-
> From: Adil Azad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 4:18 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at 0156:65089137.
> 
> 
> Hello!
> The file is open successfully in other PC.
> These files are not used in e-mails.
> I am also change the RAM of this computer , but the
> problem is same.
> Regards
> Adil
> --- "Joyce, Louis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > do the files open successfully on another PC?
> > 
> > Have they been sent via email?
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Mr Louis Joyce
> > Computer Support Analyst
> > Network Administrator
> > BT Ignite eSolutions
> > +44 (0)1392 459155
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Adil Azad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 18 October 2001 09:10
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at
> > 0156:65089137.
> > 
> > 
> > Hello!
> >  I am facing a problem in my exchange network. One
> > of
> > my client facing the problem that every time when
> > he
> > opens MS Word 2000 or MS Excel 2000 files he
> > received
> > the following error:
> > 
> > Excel caused an invalid page fault in module
> > VBE6.dll
> > at 0156:65089137.
> > 
> > I am reinstall his whole system and install Windows
> > 98
> > and MS Office , but the problem is persist.
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RE: Consolidation of two Bridgehead Servers.

[Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville]

Thanks Tony, Ed, and Missy.  
The sites are part of the same org, I was really just wondering weather or
not I could use the existing X400 connector for the "move server" utility
instead of using the site connector that I had read.  
My question was answered.  Thank you all.

Matthew
Exchange Disaster Recovery, Live it, Learn It, Love It, Get yours today!
http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/exchange/technote/edrv3p1.asp

"Besides the technical limitations on the PST (remember the P stands for
Personal, that means you're responsible not the mail admin)..." Jim Schwartz
8-16-01


>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>>>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:01 AM
>>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>>Subject: RE: Consolidation of two Bridgehead Servers.
>>>
>>>
>>>Or SMTP connectors.  But two different orgs can't exchange 
>>>directory information without some third-party tool.
>>>
>>>Ed Crowley
>>>Compaq Computer
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Hlabse
>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:47 PM
>>>To: Exchange Discussions
>>>Subject: Re: Consolidation of two Bridgehead Servers.
>>>
>>>
>>>Matt,
>>>
>>>Site Connectors are for email sites that in the same Org.   
>>>If different
>>>Orgs are used at remote sites you have to use X.400 
>>>connectors. Then you run into Admin. issues. Look at any 
>>>good Exchange book on this issue as you also use x.400 
>>>connectors for sites joining your Org that are in a 
>>>different domain. I had to do the latter once.
>>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: "Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:28 PM
>>>Subject: RE: Consolidation of two Bridgehead Servers.
>>>
>>>
 The two bridgehead servers are currently connected via X400 
 connectors. They also have DR connectors to each other. 
>>>The articles 
 I've read talk about connecting the sites with Site
>>>Connectors.
 Do have to do this?  Or will the X400 suffice?  If I have 
>>>to add the 
 Site Connector, should I remove the X400's first?

 Matthew


 >>>-Original Message-
 >>>From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:30 PM
 >>>To: Exchange Discussions
 >>>Subject: Re: Consolidation of two Bridgehead Servers.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>Only used Move Server once in practice. Like all MS 
>>>utilties follow 
 >>>them to the letter and you should be OK.
 >>>- Original Message -
 >>>From: "Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville" 
 >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:29 PM
 >>>Subject: RE: Consolidation of two Bridgehead Servers.
 >>>
 >>>
  That's the thing, we aren't really under a time
 >>>constraint.  What has
  me worried is the Move Server utility.  I feel more confident 
  that option 1 will work, but has the nasty side effect of
 >>>causing volumes
  of DR traffic. Option 2 does have the nice fall back 
>>>feature and 
  shouldn't cause nearly
 >>>the
  amount of DR traffic as option one.
 
  Quick and painful with no safety net or Slow, Steady,
 >>>Cumbersome with
  a
 >>>fall
  back plan.
 
  Thanks Tony.
 
  Matthew
  Exchange Disaster Recovery, Live it, Learn It, Love 
>>>It, Get yours 
  today!
 >>>http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/exchange/technote/edrv3p1.asp
 
  "Besides the technical limitations on the PST (remember
 >>>the P stands
  for Personal, that means you're responsible not the mail
 >>>admin)..."
  Jim
 >>>Schwartz
  8-16-01
 
 
 
  >>>-Original Message-
  >>>From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:18 PM
  >>>To: Exchange Discussions
  >>>Subject: Re: Consolidation of two Bridgehead Servers.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>I myself had to deal with the same problem but with far
 >>>less X.400
  >>>connectors. Although 2 seems to have more work involved
 >>>1 could be
  >>>done quicker. If not under a time constraint 2 looks
 >>>good besides
  >>>you could always have a fall back to original setup more 
  >>>easily should need be. Make sure while you doing this to
 >>>listen to "Who
  >>>let the dogs out"
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>- Original Message -
  >>>From: "Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville" 
  >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >>>To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:13 PM
  >>>S

Re: Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at 0156:65089137.

[Tony Hlabse]

I would swap out the monitor so it wouldn't show such nasty messages. Bad
monitor.


- Original Message -
From: "Joyce, Louis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:37 AM
Subject: RE: Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at 0156:65089137.


> Maybe the PC in question is situated 'next to' an exchange server.
>
> ;)
>
> Regards
>
> Mr Louis Joyce
> Computer Support Analyst
> Network Administrator
> BT Ignite eSolutions
> +44 (0)1392 459155
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 10:14
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at 0156:65089137.
>
>
> If they're not used in e-mails, how is this an Exchange issue exactly?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Adil Azad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 4:18 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at 0156:65089137.
> >
> >
> > Hello!
> > The file is open successfully in other PC.
> > These files are not used in e-mails.
> > I am also change the RAM of this computer , but the
> > problem is same.
> > Regards
> > Adil
> > --- "Joyce, Louis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > do the files open successfully on another PC?
> > >
> > > Have they been sent via email?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Mr Louis Joyce
> > > Computer Support Analyst
> > > Network Administrator
> > > BT Ignite eSolutions
> > > +44 (0)1392 459155
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Adil Azad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 18 October 2001 09:10
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: Error in MS Office 2000 VBE6.dll at
> > > 0156:65089137.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello!
> > >  I am facing a problem in my exchange network. One
> > > of
> > > my client facing the problem that every time when
> > > he
> > > opens MS Word 2000 or MS Excel 2000 files he
> > > received
> > > the following error:
> > >
> > > Excel caused an invalid page fault in module
> > > VBE6.dll
> > > at 0156:65089137.
> > >
> > > I am reinstall his whole system and install Windows
> > > 98
> > > and MS Office , but the problem is persist.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions
> > >
> > > regards
> > > Adil
> > >
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Inner Circle - Meeting Minutes

[Slinger, Gary]

Minutes of last meeting and date of next meeting attached.

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Re: Better Version

[Tony Hlabse]

Best answer! Outsource your email and don't sweat about it just right a
check every month.

- Original Message -
From: "Chris Scharff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:12 AM
Subject: RE: Better Version


> > -Original Message-
> > From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:06 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Better Version
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately members like your seem to have enough time to
> > sit there and type an email while you have nothing better to do...
>
> We're being chastised for choosing to monitor this list and help people
when
> we can rather than working to solve world hunger? Well, I've already come
up
> with an answer to the latter problem so go away.
>
> > I am sure that most of us on this list are busy running
> > around, and don't have time to type CRAP out
>
> Then fscking call PSS. If you can't be bothered to ask a properly phrased
> technical question then you have no right to complain about the quality of
> the answer you receive. In fact I think people were quite restrained in
> their responses to your pathetic inquiry.
>
> > So.. Thanks to those of you who replied to me in a serious
> > fashion (online or offline) Like Tim Ault (Thanks Tim)
>
> Tim was just rhetorically exercising his mental curiosity. It was an
amazing
> coincidence it happened to coincide with your lame post.
>
> > So.. Sander Van But-sit-still-nothing-better-2-do-zer "Get a
> > job were you earn your living...!! - and don't clog peoples
> > mail with Crap"
>
> Now I don't have a complete archive imported yet, but in reviewing
Sander's
> posting history that I do have and comparing it to yours I have to
conclude
> that you inadvertently substituted "Sander Van-$foo-zer" for "Adrian
>
Van-I'm-a-lazy-shaved-monkey-who-is-incapable-of-forming-an-intelligent-ques
> tion-den".
>
> Next thing we know you'll be asking what the best freaking fax software
is.
>
> Stinkin troll.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sander Van Butzelaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 5:48 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Better Version
> >
> >
> > His question is on the same lines as: "GM vs.Toyota?". The
> > question means nothing, the only true answer he should be
> > getting is "It depends on his local situation." I agree there
> > is merit in analyzing which of the two Exchange systems suits
> > one better, but only if you take all the factors into
> > account. Adriaan, apart from sending it 4 times, gives no
> > information. I know it is a dead horse, but isn't one
> > supposed to do a least a bit of homework before asking a
> > question? The result of that would be a qualified question,
> > not a broad topic which can be interpreted anyway you want. I
> > see some answers have gone the "benefits of win2k" route,
> > some look at costs etc which could or could not be relevant.
> >
> > Has Adriaan put any thought into this? I don't think so,
> > hence my response (plus his previous questions to this forum
> > also don't convince me he makes any effort of solving his own
> > questions) Good thing my old Unix pal didn't see his post, he
> > would just mail the guy - RTFM. (not that that necessarily
> > solves anything)
> >
> > So, put in its proper context it is a good question, coming
> > from Adriaan like this, it is not.
> >
> > Sander
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tim Ault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 5:15 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Better Version
> >
> >
> > Why is this a dumb question? This is a very good question, in
> > fact. Corporations have been struggling with this questions
> > for over a year.
> >
> > No less than Tony Redmond breeched the subject at MECC '2000
> > and again at the MEC earlier this month.
> >
> > There are good reasons to move to Ex2k. The decision is a
> > little easier for those shops that have no exchsrvr, or where
> > NT does is not the primary f&p sharing service. Then there
> > are the "one issue" folks: OWA2k is important to us, multiple
> > storage groups is important to us, etc.
> >
> > Let's make no bones about it: building Ex2k is a significant
> > undertaking. And one that takes careful planning and good
> > understanding of AD
> > (whazzat?)
> > and x.500 (comeagain?) and 2k's accessory constituent
> > requirements (RG, CA, SG, ADC, MMC..hey wherez Admin?). The
> > daunting reality of incorporating an moving to a new OS along
> > with a new email server software gives some pause and
> > reconsider the value-add that is compelling it. And
> > rightfully so, I think.
> >
> > Tim.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sander Van Butzelaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:27 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Better Version
> >
> >
> > Are you really

Re: Inner Circle - Meeting Minutes

[Tony Hlabse]

Why don't you send it to a DL with the Inner Circle names on it instead of
spamming others.

- Original Message -
From: "Slinger, Gary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:30 AM
Subject: Inner Circle - Meeting Minutes


> Minutes of last meeting and date of next meeting attached.
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RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.

[Andy David]

Whatever. There are many of us who deal with security on a daily basis as
part of our jobs.
Of course, I understand it's in your self-interest as a consultant to tell
us we don't know what we are doing and that the sky is falling...





-Original Message-
From: Frank Knobbe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:47 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.


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> -Original Message-
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:55 PM
> 
> Don't bother.  Use a proxy server and publish OWA.  Or 
> require SSL and open
> port 443.  Or implement a VPN.  I still think putting an 
> Exchange front-end
> server in a DMZ is kind of silly.  Not as silly with Exchange 
> 2000 as with
> Exchange 5.5, but silly nonetheless.

Ed, 

I don't find this silly at all. Let me try to clarify:

Scenario A:

You have an Internet connection coming to a firewall. Behind the
firewall in your internal network you have an Exchange server. You
also have a web server (maybe on the same box, maybe different box).
You allow HTTPS traffic through the firewall to the web server in the
LAN.

Scenario B:

You have an Internet connection coming to a firewall. Behind the
firewall in your internal network you have an Exchange server. In a
DMZ segment (which can be a third network card in the firewall, or a
segment between two firewalls) you have a web server. HTTPS traffic
is allowed to the web server, and required ports (say, RPC, NetBIOS,
InfoStore, Directory) are allowed from the web server through the
firewall to the Exchange server.


Scenario A has following disadvantages:
If your web server gets compromised, the hacker is in your internal
network. You have no means of further restricting access (besides
shutting the server down). Intrusion Detection is almost impossible
on the SSL session (unless you terminate SSL on a proxy and go clear
text from there). So a compromise can easily go undetected, and the
intruder can probe your network and advance access. The primary
intrusion containment is all of your internal network.

In Scenario B you have following advantages:
If your web server gets compromised, the hacker can access everything
in the DMZ. He will have to discover the address of the Exchange
server (which can be made hard through proper host hardening). Once
he has that he can attack the Exchange server, but using Exchange as
another stepping stone to gain access to the rest of your network can
again be very hard. All those 'hard' items will buy you time. In
addition, Intrusion Detection in the DMZ can quickly alert you if it
sees 'strange' traffic coming from the web server (say FTP
connections, port scans, etc). The primary intrusion containment is
only the DMZ.

We can even go a step further. Using a host or network based IDS
system, you can potentially reconfigure the firewall in an automated
fashion to disallow any access from/to the web server in the DMZ. Now
even the allowed ports are closed, the attacker has no way into your
network.


Scenario B buys you time and has far greater potential of protecting
your internal network.

Now, I'm primarily a security consultant, and less of an Exchange
consultant, so I may look at this differently than the average
Exchange Admin and mail list member. Reading comments like 'placing
OWA into the internal network can secure your DMZ' and 'OWA in the
DMZ opens you more up than OWA in your internal network' just make me
scream since from a security perspective, they are completely wrong.

If anyone wants to seriously discuss this further in a professional
manner, please email me offline as I'm not going to enter a silly
discussion with armchair security 'experts' on the list.

Best regards,
Frank


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RE: Inner Circle - Meeting Minutes

[Andy David]

Didn't you get your decoder ring in the mail like the rest of us?



-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Inner Circle - Meeting Minutes


Why don't you send it to a DL with the Inner Circle names on it instead of
spamming others.

- Original Message -
From: "Slinger, Gary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:30 AM
Subject: Inner Circle - Meeting Minutes


> Minutes of last meeting and date of next meeting attached.
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Joke

[Usachev Oleg]

> What's the name of future version of MS Windows?
> 
> Maybe:
> 
>   Windows CE
>  +
>   Windows ME
>  +
>   Windows NT
>  +
>   ...
> --
> Windows CEMENT
> 
It will be FINE

> Oleg

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RE: Joke

[Chris Scharff]

It's not an exchange joke or in haiku, so should we assume you accidentally
sent it to this list instead of to the recycle bin?

> -Original Message-
> From: Usachev Oleg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:11 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Joke
> 
> 
> 
> > What's the name of future version of MS Windows?
> > 
> > Maybe:
> > 
> >   Windows CE
> >  +
> >   Windows ME
> >  +
> >   Windows NT
> >  +
> >   ...
> > --
> > Windows CEMENT
> > 
> It will be FINE
> 
> > Oleg
> 
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RE: Virtual Domains with the same Users

[Govindaraj Rangan]

What domain are you talking about? NT domain or DNS domain. If what you mean
is
1. NT Domain B has the same usernames as in A, and they have to have the
same kind of access on the mailboxes on the Exchange server:
 can trust  and user permissions on each mailbox should be give to
the corresponding account in B. Nothing there on top of my head to speed up
this process.

2. Users are in two DNS domains:
Add one more SMTP address to all the mailboxes.You can use a directory
export/import to achieve this.

Govind.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sebastian Wain
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:13 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Virtual Domains with the same Users


Hello, I have a MS Exchange Server 5.5 with many users inside
a domain  and I would like to serve a new domain  too,
with the same users but without reconfigure each user account,
just "saying" (or configuring) the domain  equal to the
domain .

How I can do it?


Thank You
Sebastian Wain

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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Callard, Gavin A.]

Backups?  We don' need no stnkin' backups!

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 17 October 2001 11:44 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Brick Level Backups Rock!


-Original Message-
From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


I like the Computer Associates products...

www.ca.com

Bye

-Original Message-
From: Craig Manske [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 7:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Opinion on Backups


I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. Right
now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay support
sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information on
file about my company or purchases).  I've decided to choose another brand
of tape software.  What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on the
best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange
support.

Thanks
--
Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
IS Manager
Stanek Tool 
New Berlin, WI


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RE: Joke

[Usachev Oleg]

SORRY. It's my mistake - absolutely accidentally.
Once more SORRY.

Oleg.

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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Bob Sadler]

Hmmm...being a former police officer, I've come to the conclusion that
Van Huissteden, Adriaan, is really HANJI in disguise!



Beware of the wascly wabbit!

Bob

-Original Message-
From: Callard, Gavin A. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Backups?  We don' need no stnkin' backups!

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 17 October 2001 11:44 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Brick Level Backups Rock!


-Original Message-
From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


I like the Computer Associates products...

www.ca.com

Bye

-Original Message-
From: Craig Manske [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 7:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Opinion on Backups


I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers.
Right
now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay
support
sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any information
on
file about my company or purchases).  I've decided to choose another
brand
of tape software.  What I'd like to know is what you're opinion is on
the
best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 including Exchange
support.

Thanks
--
Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
IS Manager
Stanek Tool 
New Berlin, WI


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RE: Dir Sync btw2 Exch. org

[Kiran, Murat]

thanks to all
and excuses for lateley response

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Verzonden: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:31 AM
Aan: Exchange Discussions
Onderwerp: Re: Dir Sync btw2 Exch. org


CPS Systems .. there is a link to their site on my website.

--
Martin Tuip
MVP Exchange
Exchange2000 List owner
www.exchange-mail.org
www.sharepointserver.com
--

- Original Message -
From: "Roger Seielstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: Dir Sync btw2 Exch. org


> Look for an app called SimpleSync. I saw it at MEC, and it looked very
> promising. Don't remember the vendor, however.
>
> Alternately, you could get really jiggy with it and use the ADC with a
Win2k
> domain for cross-population. Or for the truly demented amongst us, bring
up
> a virgin Win2k doman and ADC between both Exchange orgs and the Win2k
> domain.
>
> --
> Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE MCT
> Senior Systems Administrator
> Peregrine Systems
> Atlanta, GA
> http://www.peregrine.com
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kiran, Murat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:46 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Dir Sync btw2 Exch. org
> >
> >
> > brothers and sisters,
> >
> > Has somebody good experience of syncr. 2 exchange 5.5 organisation on
> > directory level.
> > I am busy with interorg but i thought may be one of you may
> > have another
> > idea.(Link A)
> >
> > anyresponse is welcome
> >
> > thanks in advance
> >
> > gr
> >
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RE: Joke

[Robert Moore]

Do you like cement?
Cement is pretty good stuff.
Wish it ran faster.

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:05 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Joke


It's not an exchange joke or in haiku, so should we assume you
accidentally
sent it to this list instead of to the recycle bin?

> -Original Message-
> From: Usachev Oleg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:11 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Joke
> 
> 
> 
> > What's the name of future version of MS Windows?
> > 
> > Maybe:
> > 
> >   Windows CE
> >  +
> >   Windows ME
> >  +
> >   Windows NT
> >  +
> >   ...
> > --
> > Windows CEMENT
> > 
> It will be FINE
> 
> > Oleg
> 
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RE: Inner Circle - Meeting Minutes

[Herrick, Michael]

As a member of the Inner Circle, evidently not yours, I believe you erred on
a single crucial point. 

Michael Herrick
Groton CIT Messaging Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Inner Circle - Meeting Minutes


Minutes of last meeting and date of next meeting attached.

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RE: Joke

[Callard, Gavin A.]

Perhaps the "opinion on backups" thread should consider this - concrete
level backups?

-Original Message-
From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 18 October 2001 1:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Joke


Do you like cement?
Cement is pretty good stuff.
Wish it ran faster.

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:05 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Joke


It's not an exchange joke or in haiku, so should we assume you accidentally
sent it to this list instead of to the recycle bin?

> -Original Message-
> From: Usachev Oleg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:11 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Joke
> 
> 
> 
> > What's the name of future version of MS Windows?
> > 
> > Maybe:
> > 
> >   Windows CE
> >  +
> >   Windows ME
> >  +
> >   Windows NT
> >  +
> >   ...
> > --
> > Windows CEMENT
> > 
> It will be FINE
> 
> > Oleg
> 
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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Govindaraj Rangan]

I would bet on ArcServe.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Opinion on Backups


I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers.
Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay
support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any
information on file about my company or purchases).  I've decided to choose
another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is what you're
opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000
including Exchange support.

Thanks
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IS Manager
Stanek Tool 
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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Randal, Phil]

Do you always bet on the losing horse?

-
Phil Randal
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Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

> -Original Message-
> From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I would bet on ArcServe.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers.
> Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor 
> support (Pay
> support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any
> information on file about my company or purchases).  I've 
> decided to choose
> another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is what you're
> opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000
> including Exchange support.
> 
> Thanks
> --
> Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> IS Manager
> Stanek Tool 
> New Berlin, WI
> 
> 
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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Robert Moore]

It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime
someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on
me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either.
But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support
is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I
said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to
recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either.

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Do you always bet on the losing horse?

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

> -Original Message-
> From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I would bet on ArcServe.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers.
> Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor 
> support (Pay
> support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any
> information on file about my company or purchases).  I've 
> decided to choose
> another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is what you're
> opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000
> including Exchange support.
> 
> Thanks
> --
> Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> IS Manager
> Stanek Tool 
> New Berlin, WI
> 
> 
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RE: IMC Mail Que

[Herrick, Michael]

Adriaan,
I have an idea of what you are going through. Managing a system without
prior training is tough. And a system that is in use and having problems
makes it much more difficult.

But your education will proceed at a faster pace if you purchase a book or
two that has been recommended on this list. This, and previous questions,
are so basic, that the answers tend towards the curt and/or sarcastic. And
then they won't help you as much as you would hope or need. Many can be
answered by reading, in less time than it takes to type the question. (Well
for me, anyway. I type real slow)

If one of my admins asked this question, his Exchange permissions would
revert to View Only before I gave an answer.

Michael Herrick
Groton CIT Messaging Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:00 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: IMC Mail Que


Where can I see what Mail is que up in the IMC que to leave the server?

Thanks

Adriaan Van Huissteden

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Connect Credit Union
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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Govindaraj Rangan]

Bcoz I'm successfully riding on that horse for last 4 years without even a
single problem! I would like my horse take me home, not to win a race... ;-)

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:13 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Do you always bet on the losing horse?

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK

> -Original Message-
> From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
>
>
> I would bet on ArcServe.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Opinion on Backups
>
>
> I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers.
> Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor
> support (Pay
> support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any
> information on file about my company or purchases).  I've
> decided to choose
> another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is what you're
> opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000
> including Exchange support.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> IS Manager
> Stanek Tool 
> New Berlin, WI
>
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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Olds, Dominic]

Arcserve works. Period. So does Veritas but the final choice is very
personal. Different folks like different things and all will give you the
benefit of their experience on any given product Either way, disaster
recovery should be at least tested in a lab rather than when the disaster
happens. Better to ride a familiar horse in any race than one which is
unproven.
Personally, I use Legato and for no other reason than I know it and I know
it well. It can be cumbersome, true but so can anything. Depends on what you
find comfortable.
Legato will get me home every time as I'm sure Arcserve would if I had the
time to get to know it. I guess what I'm saying is that all the products
mentioned are heavyweights in the backup market but your own preference is
going to be the final decision maker  :)

-Original Message-
From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 18 October 2001 13:50
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Bcoz I'm successfully riding on that horse for last 4 years without even a
single problem! I would like my horse take me home, not to win a race... ;-)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:13 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Do you always bet on the losing horse?

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK

> -Original Message-
> From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
>
>
> I would bet on ArcServe.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Opinion on Backups
>
>
> I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers.
> Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor
> support (Pay
> support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any
> information on file about my company or purchases).  I've
> decided to choose
> another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is what you're
> opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000
> including Exchange support.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> IS Manager
> Stanek Tool 
> New Berlin, WI
>
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RE: Perfmon Counterz

[Mike Morrison]

I'll pass on the scrapple, thanks! [1]

Mike Morrison
NT/SMS/Exchange Administrator
Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc.

[1] No offense, Missy!

-Original Message-
From: Garrish, Robert B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:47 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Perfmon Counterz


Dear Stephen,

Mike got me.
I performed about six searches in Tech Net (on the web) before the
light went on.

Mike, how about a pound of scrapple for a pound of vanilla ice cream
(my favorite flavor)?


Rob Garrish
Exchange Administrator
Wawa Inc.
610-558-8371
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 01:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Perfmon Counterz


Managing and Monitoring is a good paper... Love that one!

Stephen

-Original Message-
From: Mike Morrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 8:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Perfmon Counterz


Maybe these two articles found on the TechNet CD are part of what the
companies are referring to?

MS Exchange Management Requirements: Best Practices at a Large Company
Managing and Monitoring MS Exchange Server

Mike Morrison
NT/SMS/Exchange Administrator
Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc.


-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:09 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Perfmon Counterz


My point exactly, Ed.. 
And that is what I am trying to find out.

I evaluated the products of four major players. Each product monitors a wide
set of counters within Permon. The choice of counters, each vendor claims,
is based on MS's "best practices"--presumably best practices means
"[Microsoft] recommends you use these here specific counters to monitor the
health of your Org".

No vendor seems to be able to produce this
"best-practices-Perfmon-counter-exchsrvr" document.

I'd like to see it, or something like it posted somewhere like, say, swinc..


-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:34 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Perfmon Counterz


Upon what do the "various vendors" claim to have based their statements?

Ed Crowley
Compaq Computer

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Ault
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 1:36 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Perfmon Counterz


The various vendors of $ exchsrvr reporting/monitoring tools like to
claim they monitor specific perfmon counters "based on Microsoft's 'Best
Practices', blah, blah..". Yet I can find no such document, by title or
otherwise.

I want to see it, or something similar from some other place.

Care to post a link to such a resource? ..why you'll be famous for it if you
do.

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RE: Opinion on Backups

[MS Exchange Mailing List]

my 2 cents-

I have been using Arcserve for about 3 or 4 years now.  During this time
I have run into different problems with the software, nothing major at
first.  But, during the last year we upgraded to Arcserve 2000.  I say
upgrade, but it was a clean install just to note.  Since that time we
have had nothing but problems.  First thing, oh they forgot to mention
that when we upgraded our exchange agent it wouldn't work with E2k, so I
had to upgrade AGAIN to a later build of the agent when I went to E2k 6
months ago.  From that time on I can count the successful backups on 1
hand made with Arcserve.  (hooray for ntbackup!)  The problems are quite
sporadic and damn near impossible to decipher.  

On the other hand, I had restored my Exchange 5.5 box a couple of times
throughout the early period with 0 problems.  I think Arcserve 6.x
products were OK, but I truly do not trust 2000.  The problems I have
encountered have finally convinced me to switch to Backup Exec.

So if any of you want to give Arcserve 2000 a try, I will give you a
good deal !!   Arcserve 2000 Enterprise  1-Oracle, 2-Sql, 4-Open File,
1-Exchange agent(s) & Tape Library Option, Unlimited remote agents.

"ArcWreckIT & EjaculateIT" -  I found much humor in this, thank you!


-Original Message-
From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:50 AM
Posted To: MS Exchange Mailing List
Conversation: Opinion on Backups
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups

Bcoz I'm successfully riding on that horse for last 4 years without even
a
single problem! I would like my horse take me home, not to win a race...
;-)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:13 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Do you always bet on the losing horse?

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK

> -Original Message-
> From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
>
>
> I would bet on ArcServe.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Opinion on Backups
>
>
> I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers.
> Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor
> support (Pay
> support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any
> information on file about my company or purchases).  I've
> decided to choose
> another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is what you're
> opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000
> including Exchange support.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> IS Manager
> Stanek Tool 
> New Berlin, WI
>
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RE: Export Question

[Mike Morrison]

There is also a tool called header.exe that shipped with the BORK (I think--
maybe it's on the Exchange CD) that will export headers into a .csv file.
You can then do the admin -e trick to export to a base .csv file, and only
the items you want will be exported.

The thing to note is that there is no equivalent that I can find for E-mail
Address (Internet). These entries all get dumped under the E-mail Addresses
field, and you need to do some foobling to get just the internet address out
of there.

Mike Morrison
NT/SMS/Exchange Administrator
Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc.


-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:13 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Export Question


We've come up with two methods:

1) Run Admin -r, enter Raw Props for a recip, and gather the names of the
headers for the info you wish to gather. Add those columns to a template
CSV. Create a bat file that runs "admin -e" against that CSV. Use TaskMan to
run the BAT routinely. Most items you listed can be gathered thru a
DirExport.

2) For those items which cannot be collected via the DirExport method
described above and you're stuck using "Save Windows Contents" to create
CSV, then you need a key-stroke entry utility. We use Winbatch. Be vey
careful when running an automated keystroke routine against a production
server. Bad things can happen if the thing runs out of sequence for some
reason.

Tim.

-Original Message-
From: Milt Atkinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:07 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Export Question


I am not a programmer ... Ex 5.5 SP4 W2K SP1 ... Using the admin program I 
select Site, Configuration, Servers, , Server Recipients. I then

click on View, Colums and setup Show the following colums: E-mail Address 
(Internet), Display Name and Modified. I then click Apply, OK and then click

on File, Save Windows Contents and save this out to a CSV file. This CSV 
contains exactly the information, in the format I need for a special 
project. I would like to automate this using command line utilities and Task

Scheduler, but can figure out the command line equivalent to the GUI ... can

anyone help?

Thanks in advance.

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AntiVirus Change

[Callan, Chris]

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RE: AntiVirus Change

[Olds, Dominic]

www.sybari.com

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Sent: 18 October 2001 14:25
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: AntiVirus Change


Ok, I am trying to convince my Supervisor to switch from InoculateIT to
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RE: AntiVirus Change

[Benjamin Winzenz]

2 options to look at:
Antigen - www.sybari.com
Trend Scanmail - www.antivirus.com


Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.


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From:   Callan, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:AntiVirus Change

Ok, I am trying to convince my Supervisor to switch from InoculateIT to
Antigen.  Can someone point me to their website so that I can get some more
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RE: Public Folder Access

[Mike Morrison]

You can give anonymous access to it through OWA.

Mike Morrison
NT/SMS/Exchange Administrator
Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc.


-Original Message-
From: Bourque Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Public Folder Access



OK, I am sure it's easy and I have look around and I know I will be ashame
to ask but


How do you create/define a profile so a user with no mailbox have Read
access to a public folder?

I have to give access to a public folder from a shere PC to a bunch of users
with no other access.

If I remembre correctly, you could use IIS to publish a public folder but,
is there a direct possibility?


Daniel Bourque


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RE: AntiVirus Change

[Callan, Chris]

Are these what everyone considers as the best of the AV Softwares.

-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AntiVirus Change


2 options to look at:
Antigen - www.sybari.com
Trend Scanmail - www.antivirus.com


Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.


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Sent:   Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:25 AM
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Subject:AntiVirus Change

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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Antony Slatcher]

NTBackup.
It works.
It's Free.

'Nuff said.

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 18 October 2001 13:45
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime
someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on
me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either.
But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support
is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I
said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to
recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either.

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Do you always bet on the losing horse?

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

> -Original Message-
> From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I would bet on ArcServe.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers.
> Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor 
> support (Pay
> support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any
> information on file about my company or purchases).  I've 
> decided to choose
> another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is what you're
> opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000
> including Exchange support.
> 
> Thanks
> --
> Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> IS Manager
> Stanek Tool 
> New Berlin, WI
> 
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RE: AntiVirus Change

[Dunn, Nancy]

I love my Antigen, it has saved us a number of times. But you still need
something on your PC's and other servers.
Nancy

-Original Message-
From: Callan, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AntiVirus Change


Are these what everyone considers as the best of the AV Softwares.

-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AntiVirus Change


2 options to look at:
Antigen - www.sybari.com
Trend Scanmail - www.antivirus.com


Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.


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Sent:   Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:25 AM
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Subject:AntiVirus Change

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RE: AntiVirus Change

[Randal, Phil]

Not everyone!  Unless the competing vendors are srupulously honest ;-)

Phil

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> -Original Message-
> From: Callan, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 14:30
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: AntiVirus Change
> 
> 
> Are these what everyone considers as the best of the AV Softwares.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:29 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: AntiVirus Change
> 
> 
> 2 options to look at:
> Antigen - www.sybari.com
> Trend Scanmail - www.antivirus.com
> 
> 
> Ben Winzenz, MCSE
> Network/Systems Administrator
> Peregrine Systems, Inc.
> 
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Callan, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:25 AM
> To:   Exchange Discussions
> Subject:  AntiVirus Change
> 
> Ok, I am trying to convince my Supervisor to switch from 
> InoculateIT to
> Antigen.  Can someone point me to their website so that I can 
> get some more
> information about the product and get my research started.  
> Both my mail
> servers are Nt 4.0 w/SP6a, running Exchange 5.5 w/SP4
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Exchange 2000 Setting ??

[Crumbaker, Ron]

I am wanting to set up our Exchange 2000 server so that it will allow
mail to come into it and then forward mail over to our AS/400
 
For example all mail that is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  go to the AS/400 and then be
delivered to the terminal.
All mail that is [EMAIL PROTECTED]   go to
mailbox.
 
How can I do this?
 

Thank you,

Ron Crumbaker, MCP
Network Specialist
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
MPD, Inc. -An Employee Owned Company
Office 270-685-6381
Fax 270-685-6212



 

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RE: Exchange 2000 Setting ??

[Kevin Miller]

Simplest way would be to make a second MX record for the AS/400

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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:35 AM
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Subject: Exchange 2000 Setting ??


I am wanting to set up our Exchange 2000 server so that it will allow
mail to come into it and then forward mail over to our AS/400
 
For example all mail that is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  go to the AS/400 and then be
delivered to the terminal. All mail that is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  go to mailbox.
 
How can I do this?
 

Thank you,

Ron Crumbaker, MCP
Network Specialist
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
MPD, Inc. -An Employee Owned Company
Office 270-685-6381
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RE: Ex 5.5 Public Folder Permissions

[Mike Morrison]

Don't give users Owner permissions on the top level folder. Reserve that
permission to your Exchange admins. Users shouldn't need to be changing
permissions at the upper levels, anyway, and those permission sets shouldn't
change very frequently (if you are using DLs for granting permission). As
long as they can create folders under the top level, they'll have owner
permissions on the folders they create and can do the things you listed.

You might also (if you haven't already) turn on deleted items retention for
your public folders, and do the dumpsteralwayson registry hack on your
machine so you can easily recover those items.

Mike Morrison
NT/SMS/Exchange Administrator
Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc.


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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:03 AM
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Subject: Ex 5.5 Public Folder Permissions


I am having a little difficulty with "owners" of folders deleting the top
level folder for their group. Our environment has 500 or so Org Units and
each org unit has a public folder visible to the whole org unit. Within the
Org unit we assign 1 or 2 users with "owner" rights, and the rest of the
members of the org unit are listed with "author" rights.

Our problem is that the "owners" are accidently deleting the top level
folders. 

Is there a way that we can assign permissions to someone which will allow
them to: 
change the client permissions for the folder;
view, edit and delete messages;
create and delete subfolders;
but not delete the top level folder?

If you have any ideas I am happy to test and investigate further.

Thanks and best regards

Jason Tuffin
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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Seitz, Peter]

That's what I say. I do mock restores and it works just fine.
Never had a problem using NTBackup. It just works.

Peter Seitz
Operating Systems Analyst
Cubic Corporation
San Diego, Ca. 92021
(858) 505-2724


-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 11:01 PM
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Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Why pay for dinner if you can get it for free?  What does NTBACKUP not do
that you need to do?

Ed Crowley
Compaq Computer

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


The software wasn't to bad functionality wise.

Let me ask you a question.  Would you return to a restaurant who's owner
forced you to pay double for your dinner because you accidentally spilled
your plate on the floor, even if they had the greatest food in the world?  I
highly doubt it...  I feel the same way about software companies.  Quality
of product is only 33% of the purchase.  The other 66% deals with customer
support, sales, price, availability, how often upgrades are released, how
long they support old versions, etc...

One of our servers is NT 3.51 on a p133 with Backup Exec 7.01.  It doesn't
need upgrading because it does what it does, and the hardware works.  Why
spend thousands of dollars in hardware, software, and time just to have a
corvette thats only purpose is to drive a person across the street and back?
The new version of BE doesn't support NT 3.51, so now I need to upgrade to
at least NT 4.0.  NT 4.0 isn't supported by my hardware, so now I need to
upgrade my hardware and waste half a day doing it.  Why should I have to pay
$5000+ to upgrade just because Veritas fails to keep customer records?

If I needed to reinstall CadKEY their customer support rep would gladly say,
"I'm sorry to hear that you lost your software key and serial numbers, let
me get those for you right away."   Unlike Veritas, "Sorry, you have to
upgrade." or the way I interpret it, "Heh heh heh, another idiot who lost
his codes, let's make some money offa this fool."  When they could have
said, "Fax us over your proof of purchase and we'll get you some new codes."

If I have to upgrade anyway I'm defiantly not going back to Veritas.  And if
I have to upgrade one server I might as well upgrade the backup software on
the rest of my servers.

Sorry to get angry like this, but I get mad when companies don't care about
customers who fail to spend at least $5 million on their software a year.

-Craig

-Original Message-
From: Tom.Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:58 PM
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Have you had any actual problems with the software?

Tom Gray, Network Engineer
All Kinds of Minds & The Center for Development and Learning
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
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-Original Message-
From: Craig Manske [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Opinion on Backups


I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers.
Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support (Pay
support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any
information on file about my company or purchases).  I've decided to choose
another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is what you're
opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000
including Exchange support.

Thanks
--
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IS Manager
Stanek Tool 
New Berlin, WI


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Outlook 2000

[Farquharson, Andrea]

I have a user who has Outlook 2000 on a Windows 2000 Professional PC.
When she opens a message and looks at the page setup, the page layout
defaults to Landscape. She has to change it to Portrait before she can
print. When she creates a new message, the page layout
defaults to Portrait.  Is this just a printer driver issue?

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RE: Outlook 2000

[Tener, Richard]

No its within outlooks page setup options

-Original Message-
From: Farquharson, Andrea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook 2000


I have a user who has Outlook 2000 on a Windows 2000 Professional PC. When
she opens a message and looks at the page setup, the page layout defaults to
Landscape. She has to change it to Portrait before she can print. When she
creates a new message, the page layout defaults to Portrait.  Is this just a
printer driver issue?

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RE: Virtual Domains with the same Users

[Yanek Korff]

> 2. Users are in two DNS domains:
>   Add one more SMTP address to all the mailboxes.You can 
> use a directory export/import to achieve this.
That was the approach I took initially, and then discovered I could have
just set up the one domain [the new one, presumably] to route to the other
domain. in the IMS routing tab.  Saves having to muck with users' SMTP
addresses.

-Yanek.

> 
> Govind.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
> Sebastian Wain
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:13 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Virtual Domains with the same Users
> 
> 
> Hello, I have a MS Exchange Server 5.5 with many users inside
> a domain  and I would like to serve a new domain  too,
> with the same users but without reconfigure each user account,
> just "saying" (or configuring) the domain  equal to the
> domain .
> 
> How I can do it?
> 
> 
> Thank You
> Sebastian Wain
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RE: AntiVirus Change

[Benjamin Winzenz]

They would be what most (I stress most, not all) would consider the 2 best.

Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.


 -Original Message-
From:   Callan, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: AntiVirus Change

Are these what everyone considers as the best of the AV Softwares.

-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:29 AM
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Subject: RE: AntiVirus Change


2 options to look at:
Antigen - www.sybari.com
Trend Scanmail - www.antivirus.com


Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.


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From:   Callan, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:25 AM
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Subject:AntiVirus Change

Ok, I am trying to convince my Supervisor to switch from InoculateIT to
Antigen.  Can someone point me to their website so that I can get some more
information about the product and get my research started.  Both my mail
servers are Nt 4.0 w/SP6a, running Exchange 5.5 w/SP4


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RE: OH

[Don Ely]

ROFLMFAO

Dammit!!!  I spit Coke all over my monitor reading that!

-Original Message-
From: Osborn, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


He couldn't get a clue if he was in a field full of horny clues in the
middle of clue mating season and had covered himself with clue musk.

...Joel

Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery.

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Uh...  Mike, I suggest you get a clue.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchell Mike
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:04 PM
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kim kim kim kim kim kim...  get a clue... 

-Original Message-
From: Kim Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 2:57 PM
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Subject: RE: OH


how many more people have to leave this list before you guys shut the f*ck
up?  

there are plenty of other venues for this insipid banter, which is so
boring, it saps the very life out of this list.  take it offline.


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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Don Ely]

Funny...

I got the privilege of doing some Exchange DR the other night and they were
using BE with the Exchange agent.  They had NO good backups at all.
However, they were backing up the exchsrvr directories, doing "supposed"
online backups, BLB's, AND they had Circular logging enabled.  Geee  I
wonder why the backups failed.

At any rate, it was one of the worst DR's I have ever encountered.  I
thought about calling PSS, but I knew what they were going to tell me...  I
was fscked.

Anyway, I had to upgrade the firmware on the RAID controller to get eseutil
to run as they have a Dell 2400 with the PERC2 RAID card (known issues with
disk I/O processes for those who don't know).  Of course, when I asked about
the reasoning for their backup strategy, they told me they wanted the
ability to restore individual emails.  I asked if they'd ever heard of
"Deleted Items Retention".  Got the server back online and running,
reconfigured their backups to do REAL online backups and all is peachy now.

That said...  As poor of a product as CA is, backups are only as good as the
backup operator.

-Original Message-
From: Martin Tuip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:46 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Opinion on Backups


You gotta be kidding I hope?

Choose Veritas or Commvault ...

--
Martin Tuip
MVP Exchange
Exchange2000 List owner
www.exchange-mail.org
www.sharepointserver.com
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Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


> I like the Computer Associates products...
>
> www.ca.com
>
> Bye
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 7:45 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Opinion on Backups
>
>
> I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers.
> Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support 
> (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have 
> any information on file about my company or purchases).  I've decided 
> to
choose
> another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is what you're
> opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000 
> including Exchange support.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> IS Manager
> Stanek Tool 
> New Berlin, WI
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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Don Ely]

I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like
it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few
others.  Off of the top of my head, those products are very good.

ArcCrap is exactly that...  Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse,
breaks more than it fixes...  Shall I go on?

-Original Message-
From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone
mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by
others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I
haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty
poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no
disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend
it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either.

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Do you always bet on the losing horse?

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

> -Original Message-
> From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I would bet on ArcServe.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. 
> Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support 
> (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have 
> any information on file about my company or purchases).  I've
> decided to choose
> another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is what you're
> opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000
> including Exchange support.
> 
> Thanks
> --
> Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> IS Manager
> Stanek Tool 
> New Berlin, WI
> 
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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Don Ely]

ArcServer is NOT a heavyweight!  Unless of course, you mean heavy like a
brick that could sink to the bottom of the ocean.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Arcserve works. Period. So does Veritas but the final choice is very
personal. Different folks like different things and all will give you the
benefit of their experience on any given product Either way, disaster
recovery should be at least tested in a lab rather than when the disaster
happens. Better to ride a familiar horse in any race than one which is
unproven. Personally, I use Legato and for no other reason than I know it
and I know it well. It can be cumbersome, true but so can anything. Depends
on what you find comfortable. Legato will get me home every time as I'm sure
Arcserve would if I had the time to get to know it. I guess what I'm saying
is that all the products mentioned are heavyweights in the backup market but
your own preference is going to be the final decision maker  :)

-Original Message-
From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 18 October 2001 13:50
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Bcoz I'm successfully riding on that horse for last 4 years without even a
single problem! I would like my horse take me home, not to win a race... ;-)

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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:13 PM
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Do you always bet on the losing horse?

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
>
>
> I would bet on ArcServe.
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
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> Subject: Opinion on Backups
>
>
> I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. 
> Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support 
> (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have 
> any information on file about my company or purchases).  I've
> decided to choose
> another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is what you're
> opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000
> including Exchange support.
>
> Thanks
> --
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> IS Manager
> Stanek Tool 
> New Berlin, WI
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Re: AntiVirus Change

[Kelly_Borndale]

http://www.sybari.com

I am also able to answer questions about it... or if you want comparison
stuff, I can see what the sales people have.
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-K.Borndale
Network Administrator
Sybari Software
631.630.8569 -direct dial
631.439.0689 -fax
http://www.sybari.com
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Ok, I am trying to convince my Supervisor to switch from InoculateIT to
Antigen.  Can someone point me to their website so that I can get some more
information about the product and get my research started.  Both my mail
servers are Nt 4.0 w/SP6a, running Exchange 5.5 w/SP4


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RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.

[Don Ely]

No security consultant I know is going to open holes in the network from the
DMZ to the Internal network.  Being proficient in both Exchange and
Security, I feel sorry for your clients if you suggest the model you propose
below to them.

I think you ought to study up on security some more...

If you open holes from the DMZ to the internal LAN, why in the hell do you
have a DMZ.  You've made the DMZ virtually pointless.  Or did your teacher
or book you read say something different.  If it were a book that told you
to configure things this way, please send me the ISBN number, I really wanna
read that book.  Apparently, I've been taking the wrong approach for years
now.

I happen to know of a company who has the same model you describe.  After I
showed them the security issues, they were desiring a change for the better
immediately.

-Original Message-
From: Frank Knobbe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 5:47 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.


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> -Original Message-
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:55 PM
> 
> Don't bother.  Use a proxy server and publish OWA.  Or
> require SSL and open
> port 443.  Or implement a VPN.  I still think putting an 
> Exchange front-end
> server in a DMZ is kind of silly.  Not as silly with Exchange 
> 2000 as with
> Exchange 5.5, but silly nonetheless.

Ed, 

I don't find this silly at all. Let me try to clarify:

Scenario A:

You have an Internet connection coming to a firewall. Behind the firewall in
your internal network you have an Exchange server. You also have a web
server (maybe on the same box, maybe different box). You allow HTTPS traffic
through the firewall to the web server in the LAN.

Scenario B:

You have an Internet connection coming to a firewall. Behind the firewall in
your internal network you have an Exchange server. In a DMZ segment (which
can be a third network card in the firewall, or a segment between two
firewalls) you have a web server. HTTPS traffic is allowed to the web
server, and required ports (say, RPC, NetBIOS, InfoStore, Directory) are
allowed from the web server through the firewall to the Exchange server.


Scenario A has following disadvantages:
If your web server gets compromised, the hacker is in your internal network.
You have no means of further restricting access (besides shutting the server
down). Intrusion Detection is almost impossible on the SSL session (unless
you terminate SSL on a proxy and go clear text from there). So a compromise
can easily go undetected, and the intruder can probe your network and
advance access. The primary intrusion containment is all of your internal
network.

In Scenario B you have following advantages:
If your web server gets compromised, the hacker can access everything in the
DMZ. He will have to discover the address of the Exchange server (which can
be made hard through proper host hardening). Once he has that he can attack
the Exchange server, but using Exchange as another stepping stone to gain
access to the rest of your network can again be very hard. All those 'hard'
items will buy you time. In addition, Intrusion Detection in the DMZ can
quickly alert you if it sees 'strange' traffic coming from the web server
(say FTP connections, port scans, etc). The primary intrusion containment is
only the DMZ.

We can even go a step further. Using a host or network based IDS system, you
can potentially reconfigure the firewall in an automated fashion to disallow
any access from/to the web server in the DMZ. Now even the allowed ports are
closed, the attacker has no way into your network.


Scenario B buys you time and has far greater potential of protecting your
internal network.

Now, I'm primarily a security consultant, and less of an Exchange
consultant, so I may look at this differently than the average Exchange
Admin and mail list member. Reading comments like 'placing OWA into the
internal network can secure your DMZ' and 'OWA in the DMZ opens you more up
than OWA in your internal network' just make me scream since from a security
perspective, they are completely wrong.

If anyone wants to seriously discuss this further in a professional manner,
please email me offline as I'm not going to enter a silly discussion with
armchair security 'experts' on the list.

Best regards,
Frank


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RE: [Off Topic] User Profile Issue

[Soysal, Serdar]

Maybe your registry size is too small.

-Original Message-
From: Bob Razler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: [Off Topic] User Profile Issue


Hello:

I know this is off-topic, but this is the largest and best knowledge
base I know of.  I searched TechNet with no luck.

We have an NT4 Domain.  Whenever we try to have a Win2k machine log
onto the domain, during the log on, we get the error that several profiles
cannot be downloaded and the machine uses the default profile.

I had worked around it by copying my profile from my local machine
user to the default user folder.  However, no changes can be saved without
exporting it every time I log off.

Any ideas?

Help me Obi Wan Kanobi, you're my only hope.

Robert J. Razler, Esq.
Approvals Manager
Heritage Building Group, Inc.
Suite A-100
3326 Old York Road
Furlong, PA 18925
215.794.0550, ext. 117


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RE: OH

[John Matteson]

Did it come spurting out of your nose?

John Matteson; Exchange Manager
Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards
(404) 239 - 2981

...the words that I remember from my childhood still are true, that there
are none so blind as those who will not see
--The Moody Blues (I know you're out there)



-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


ROFLMFAO

Dammit!!!  I spit Coke all over my monitor reading that!

-Original Message-
From: Osborn, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


He couldn't get a clue if he was in a field full of horny clues in the
middle of clue mating season and had covered himself with clue musk.

...Joel

Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery.

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Uh...  Mike, I suggest you get a clue.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchell Mike
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


kim kim kim kim kim kim...  get a clue... 

-Original Message-
From: Kim Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 2:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


how many more people have to leave this list before you guys shut the f*ck
up?  

there are plenty of other venues for this insipid banter, which is so
boring, it saps the very life out of this list.  take it offline.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tener, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: OH



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RE: OH

[Don Ely]

Pretty damn close!  I was just putting the can to my lips when I started
reading it.  I about fell out my chair.

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Did it come spurting out of your nose?

John Matteson; Exchange Manager
Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards
(404) 239 - 2981

...the words that I remember from my childhood still are true, that there
are none so blind as those who will not see --The Moody Blues (I know
you're out there)



-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


ROFLMFAO

Dammit!!!  I spit Coke all over my monitor reading that!

-Original Message-
From: Osborn, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


He couldn't get a clue if he was in a field full of horny clues in the
middle of clue mating season and had covered himself with clue musk.

...Joel

Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery.

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Uh...  Mike, I suggest you get a clue.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchell Mike
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


kim kim kim kim kim kim...  get a clue... 

-Original Message-
From: Kim Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 2:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


how many more people have to leave this list before you guys shut the f*ck
up?  

there are plenty of other venues for this insipid banter, which is so
boring, it saps the very life out of this list.  take it offline.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tener, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: OH



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RE: Inner Circle - Meeting Minutes

[John Matteson]

Maybe he was trying to send it to one of those shadow government DL's and
"missed it by THAT much".

John Matteson; Exchange Manager
Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards
(404) 239 - 2981

...the words that I remember from my childhood still are true, that there
are none so blind as those who will not see
--The Moody Blues (I know you're out there)



-Original Message-
From: Herrick, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:33 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inner Circle - Meeting Minutes


As a member of the Inner Circle, evidently not yours, I believe you erred on
a single crucial point. 

Michael Herrick
Groton CIT Messaging Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Inner Circle - Meeting Minutes


Minutes of last meeting and date of next meeting attached.

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RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.

[Chris Scharff]

Hmm... I don't know. I think there are instances where a box in the DMZ
communicating with the internal network makes sense. I think the number of
scenarios where allowing that same box to also talk to an external network
makes sense is very small.


> -Original Message-
> From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.
> 
> 
> No security consultant I know is going to open holes in the 
> network from the DMZ to the Internal network.  Being 
> proficient in both Exchange and Security, I feel sorry for 
> your clients if you suggest the model you propose below to them.
> 
> I think you ought to study up on security some more...
> 
> If you open holes from the DMZ to the internal LAN, why in 
> the hell do you have a DMZ.  You've made the DMZ virtually 
> pointless.  Or did your teacher or book you read say 
> something different.  If it were a book that told you to 
> configure things this way, please send me the ISBN number, I 
> really wanna read that book.  Apparently, I've been taking 
> the wrong approach for years now.
> 
> I happen to know of a company who has the same model you 
> describe.  After I showed them the security issues, they were 
> desiring a change for the better immediately.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Frank Knobbe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 5:47 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.
> 
> 
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> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:55 PM
> > 
> > Don't bother.  Use a proxy server and publish OWA.  Or 
> require SSL and 
> > open port 443.  Or implement a VPN.  I still think putting an
> > Exchange front-end
> > server in a DMZ is kind of silly.  Not as silly with Exchange 
> > 2000 as with
> > Exchange 5.5, but silly nonetheless.
> 
> Ed, 
> 
> I don't find this silly at all. Let me try to clarify:
> 
> Scenario A:
> 
> You have an Internet connection coming to a firewall. Behind 
> the firewall in your internal network you have an Exchange 
> server. You also have a web server (maybe on the same box, 
> maybe different box). You allow HTTPS traffic through the 
> firewall to the web server in the LAN.
> 
> Scenario B:
> 
> You have an Internet connection coming to a firewall. Behind 
> the firewall in your internal network you have an Exchange 
> server. In a DMZ segment (which can be a third network card 
> in the firewall, or a segment between two
> firewalls) you have a web server. HTTPS traffic is allowed to 
> the web server, and required ports (say, RPC, NetBIOS, 
> InfoStore, Directory) are allowed from the web server through 
> the firewall to the Exchange server.
> 
> 
> Scenario A has following disadvantages:
> If your web server gets compromised, the hacker is in your 
> internal network. You have no means of further restricting 
> access (besides shutting the server down). Intrusion 
> Detection is almost impossible on the SSL session (unless you 
> terminate SSL on a proxy and go clear text from there). So a 
> compromise can easily go undetected, and the intruder can 
> probe your network and advance access. The primary intrusion 
> containment is all of your internal network.
> 
> In Scenario B you have following advantages:
> If your web server gets compromised, the hacker can access 
> everything in the DMZ. He will have to discover the address 
> of the Exchange server (which can be made hard through proper 
> host hardening). Once he has that he can attack the Exchange 
> server, but using Exchange as another stepping stone to gain 
> access to the rest of your network can again be very hard. 
> All those 'hard' items will buy you time. In addition, 
> Intrusion Detection in the DMZ can quickly alert you if it 
> sees 'strange' traffic coming from the web server (say FTP 
> connections, port scans, etc). The primary intrusion 
> containment is only the DMZ.
> 
> We can even go a step further. Using a host or network based 
> IDS system, you can potentially reconfigure the firewall in 
> an automated fashion to disallow any access from/to the web 
> server in the DMZ. Now even the allowed ports are closed, the 
> attacker has no way into your network.
> 
> 
> Scenario B buys you time and has far greater potential of 
> protecting your internal network.
> 
> Now, I'm primarily a security consultant, and less of an 
> Exchange consultant, so I may look at this differently than 
> the average Exchange Admin and mail list member. Reading 
> comments like 'placing OWA into the internal network can 
> secure your DMZ' and 'OWA in the DMZ opens you more up than 
> OWA in your internal network' just make me scream since from 
> a security perspective, they are completely wrong.
> 
> If anyone wants to seriously discuss this further in a 
> profession

RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.

[Renouf, Phillip]

I think the real point here is that if you are concerned about the hole that
you will be opening from your DMZ->LAN with OWA, or you are concerned with
the hole you're opening by placing OWA on your LAN and openeing SSL through
to it then you should really be using a VPN and neither of the OWA options
that we've been talking about.

Phil

> No security consultant I know is going to open holes in the 
> network from the
> DMZ to the Internal network.  Being proficient in both Exchange and
> Security, I feel sorry for your clients if you suggest the 
> model you propose
> below to them.

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RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.

[Don Ely]

I will somewhat agree with you there as I have also experience that as well.
Although, I try very hard to not advocate that kind of usage.

In certain circumstances yes, in the case of OWA, I don't think so.  Then
again, I'm rather uptight when it comes to things like that.  ;o)

D

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.


Hmm... I don't know. I think there are instances where a box in the DMZ
communicating with the internal network makes sense. I think the number of
scenarios where allowing that same box to also talk to an external network
makes sense is very small.


> -Original Message-
> From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.
> 
> 
> No security consultant I know is going to open holes in the
> network from the DMZ to the Internal network.  Being 
> proficient in both Exchange and Security, I feel sorry for 
> your clients if you suggest the model you propose below to them.
> 
> I think you ought to study up on security some more...
> 
> If you open holes from the DMZ to the internal LAN, why in
> the hell do you have a DMZ.  You've made the DMZ virtually 
> pointless.  Or did your teacher or book you read say 
> something different.  If it were a book that told you to 
> configure things this way, please send me the ISBN number, I 
> really wanna read that book.  Apparently, I've been taking 
> the wrong approach for years now.
> 
> I happen to know of a company who has the same model you
> describe.  After I showed them the security issues, they were 
> desiring a change for the better immediately.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Frank Knobbe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 5:47 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.
> 
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:55 PM
> > 
> > Don't bother.  Use a proxy server and publish OWA.  Or
> require SSL and
> > open port 443.  Or implement a VPN.  I still think putting an 
> > Exchange front-end server in a DMZ is kind of silly.  Not as silly 
> > with Exchange 2000 as with
> > Exchange 5.5, but silly nonetheless.
> 
> Ed,
> 
> I don't find this silly at all. Let me try to clarify:
> 
> Scenario A:
> 
> You have an Internet connection coming to a firewall. Behind
> the firewall in your internal network you have an Exchange 
> server. You also have a web server (maybe on the same box, 
> maybe different box). You allow HTTPS traffic through the 
> firewall to the web server in the LAN.
> 
> Scenario B:
> 
> You have an Internet connection coming to a firewall. Behind
> the firewall in your internal network you have an Exchange 
> server. In a DMZ segment (which can be a third network card 
> in the firewall, or a segment between two
> firewalls) you have a web server. HTTPS traffic is allowed to 
> the web server, and required ports (say, RPC, NetBIOS, 
> InfoStore, Directory) are allowed from the web server through 
> the firewall to the Exchange server.
> 
> 
> Scenario A has following disadvantages:
> If your web server gets compromised, the hacker is in your
> internal network. You have no means of further restricting 
> access (besides shutting the server down). Intrusion 
> Detection is almost impossible on the SSL session (unless you 
> terminate SSL on a proxy and go clear text from there). So a 
> compromise can easily go undetected, and the intruder can 
> probe your network and advance access. The primary intrusion 
> containment is all of your internal network.
> 
> In Scenario B you have following advantages:
> If your web server gets compromised, the hacker can access
> everything in the DMZ. He will have to discover the address 
> of the Exchange server (which can be made hard through proper 
> host hardening). Once he has that he can attack the Exchange 
> server, but using Exchange as another stepping stone to gain 
> access to the rest of your network can again be very hard. 
> All those 'hard' items will buy you time. In addition, 
> Intrusion Detection in the DMZ can quickly alert you if it 
> sees 'strange' traffic coming from the web server (say FTP 
> connections, port scans, etc). The primary intrusion 
> containment is only the DMZ.
> 
> We can even go a step further. Using a host or network based
> IDS system, you can potentially reconfigure the firewall in 
> an automated fashion to disallow any access from/to the web 
> server in the DMZ. Now even the allowed ports are closed, the 
> attacker has no way into your network.
> 
> 
> Scenario B buys you time and has far greater potential of
> protecting your internal network.
> 
> Now, I'm primarily a security consultant, 

RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.

[Neil Hobson]

How do you rate using IPSec between FE and BE?

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: 18 October 2001 15:30
Posted To: Exchange Mailing List
Conversation: Firewall and Exchange Ports.
Subject: RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.


I will somewhat agree with you there as I have also experience that as
well. Although, I try very hard to not advocate that kind of usage.

In certain circumstances yes, in the case of OWA, I don't think so.
Then again, I'm rather uptight when it comes to things like that.  ;o)

D

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.


Hmm... I don't know. I think there are instances where a box in the DMZ
communicating with the internal network makes sense. I think the number
of scenarios where allowing that same box to also talk to an external
network makes sense is very small.


> -Original Message-
> From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.
> 
> 
> No security consultant I know is going to open holes in the network 
> from the DMZ to the Internal network.  Being proficient in both 
> Exchange and Security, I feel sorry for your clients if you suggest 
> the model you propose below to them.
> 
> I think you ought to study up on security some more...
> 
> If you open holes from the DMZ to the internal LAN, why in the hell do

> you have a DMZ.  You've made the DMZ virtually pointless.  Or did your

> teacher or book you read say something different.  If it were a book 
> that told you to configure things this way, please send me the ISBN 
> number, I really wanna read that book.  Apparently, I've been taking
> the wrong approach for years now.
> 
> I happen to know of a company who has the same model you describe.  
> After I showed them the security issues, they were desiring a change 
> for the better immediately.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Frank Knobbe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 5:47 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.
> 
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:55 PM
> > 
> > Don't bother.  Use a proxy server and publish OWA.  Or
> require SSL and
> > open port 443.  Or implement a VPN.  I still think putting an
> > Exchange front-end server in a DMZ is kind of silly.  Not as silly 
> > with Exchange 2000 as with
> > Exchange 5.5, but silly nonetheless.
> 
> Ed,
> 
> I don't find this silly at all. Let me try to clarify:
> 
> Scenario A:
> 
> You have an Internet connection coming to a firewall. Behind the 
> firewall in your internal network you have an Exchange server. You 
> also have a web server (maybe on the same box, maybe different box). 
> You allow HTTPS traffic through the firewall to the web server in the 
> LAN.
> 
> Scenario B:
> 
> You have an Internet connection coming to a firewall. Behind the 
> firewall in your internal network you have an Exchange server. In a 
> DMZ segment (which can be a third network card in the firewall, or a 
> segment between two
> firewalls) you have a web server. HTTPS traffic is allowed to
> the web server, and required ports (say, RPC, NetBIOS, 
> InfoStore, Directory) are allowed from the web server through 
> the firewall to the Exchange server.
> 
> 
> Scenario A has following disadvantages:
> If your web server gets compromised, the hacker is in your internal 
> network. You have no means of further restricting access (besides 
> shutting the server down). Intrusion Detection is almost impossible on

> the SSL session (unless you terminate SSL on a proxy and go clear text

> from there). So a compromise can easily go undetected, and the 
> intruder can probe your network and advance access. The primary 
> intrusion containment is all of your internal network.
> 
> In Scenario B you have following advantages:
> If your web server gets compromised, the hacker can access everything 
> in the DMZ. He will have to discover the address of the Exchange 
> server (which can be made hard through proper host hardening). Once he

> has that he can attack the Exchange server, but using Exchange as 
> another stepping stone to gain access to the rest of your network can 
> again be very hard. All those 'hard' items will buy you time. In 
> addition, Intrusion Detection in the DMZ can quickly alert you if it
> sees 'strange' traffic coming from the web server (say FTP 
> connections, port scans, etc). The primary intrusion 
> containment is only the DMZ.
> 
> We can even go a step further. Using a host or network based IDS 
> system, you can potentially reconfigure the firewall in an automated 
> fashion to disallow any access fr

RE: Inner Circle - Meeting Minutes

[Smith Joseph]

I've almost completed cracking the encoded message cleverly disguised as an
attachment.  Sheer genius!

Joseph Smith

Network Administrator
Perlos, Inc.
5201 Alliance Gateway
Fort Worth, TX 76178-3729
Work: 817-224-9012
Cell: 817-999-7703
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inner Circle - Meeting Minutes


Maybe he was trying to send it to one of those shadow government DL's and
"missed it by THAT much".

John Matteson; Exchange Manager
Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards
(404) 239 - 2981

...the words that I remember from my childhood still are true, that there
are none so blind as those who will not see
--The Moody Blues (I know you're out there)



-Original Message-
From: Herrick, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:33 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inner Circle - Meeting Minutes


As a member of the Inner Circle, evidently not yours, I believe you erred on
a single crucial point. 

Michael Herrick
Groton CIT Messaging Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Inner Circle - Meeting Minutes


Minutes of last meeting and date of next meeting attached.

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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Bill Lambert]

Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox?  Not flaming,
genuinely interested in knowing.

TIA.

Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse
Endoxy Healthcare
847-941-9206
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups

I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like
it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few
others.  Off of the top of my head, those products are very good.

ArcCrap is exactly that...  Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse,
breaks more than it fixes...  Shall I go on?

-Original Message-
From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone
mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by
others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I
haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty
poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no
disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend
it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either.

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Do you always bet on the losing horse?

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

> -Original Message-
> From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I would bet on ArcServe.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. 
> Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support 
> (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have 
> any information on file about my company or purchases).  I've
> decided to choose
> another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is what you're
> opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000
> including Exchange support.
> 
> Thanks
> --
> Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> IS Manager
> Stanek Tool 
> New Berlin, WI
> 
> 
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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Don Ely]

Nope.  Why would you want to?  Deleted Items Retention works very nicely.

D

-Original Message-
From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox?  Not flaming,
genuinely interested in knowing.

TIA.

Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse
Endoxy Healthcare
847-941-9206
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-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups

I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like
it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few
others.  Off of the top of my head, those products are very good.

ArcCrap is exactly that...  Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse,
breaks more than it fixes...  Shall I go on?

-Original Message-
From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone
mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by
others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I
haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty
poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no
disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend
it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either.

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Do you always bet on the losing horse?

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

> -Original Message-
> From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I would bet on ArcServe.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers.
> Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support 
> (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have 
> any information on file about my company or purchases).  I've
> decided to choose
> another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is what you're
> opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000
> including Exchange support.
> 
> Thanks
> --
> Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> IS Manager
> Stanek Tool 
> New Berlin, WI
> 
> 
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RE: AntiVirus Change

[Martin Blackstone]

Yes

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Callan, Chris
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AntiVirus Change


Are these what everyone considers as the best of the AV Softwares.

-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AntiVirus Change


2 options to look at:
Antigen - www.sybari.com
Trend Scanmail - www.antivirus.com


Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.


 -Original Message-
From:   Callan, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:AntiVirus Change

Ok, I am trying to convince my Supervisor to switch from InoculateIT to
Antigen.  Can someone point me to their website so that I can get some
more information about the product and get my research started.  Both my
mail servers are Nt 4.0 w/SP6a, running Exchange 5.5 w/SP4


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RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.

[Don Ely]

I believe that would be a valid solution.  At least that is an encrypted
communication path.

-Original Message-
From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.


How do you rate using IPSec between FE and BE?

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: 18 October 2001 15:30
Posted To: Exchange Mailing List
Conversation: Firewall and Exchange Ports.
Subject: RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.


I will somewhat agree with you there as I have also experience that as well.
Although, I try very hard to not advocate that kind of usage.

In certain circumstances yes, in the case of OWA, I don't think so. Then
again, I'm rather uptight when it comes to things like that.  ;o)

D

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.


Hmm... I don't know. I think there are instances where a box in the DMZ
communicating with the internal network makes sense. I think the number of
scenarios where allowing that same box to also talk to an external network
makes sense is very small.


> -Original Message-
> From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.
> 
> 
> No security consultant I know is going to open holes in the network
> from the DMZ to the Internal network.  Being proficient in both 
> Exchange and Security, I feel sorry for your clients if you suggest 
> the model you propose below to them.
> 
> I think you ought to study up on security some more...
> 
> If you open holes from the DMZ to the internal LAN, why in the hell do

> you have a DMZ.  You've made the DMZ virtually pointless.  Or did your

> teacher or book you read say something different.  If it were a book
> that told you to configure things this way, please send me the ISBN 
> number, I really wanna read that book.  Apparently, I've been taking
> the wrong approach for years now.
> 
> I happen to know of a company who has the same model you describe.
> After I showed them the security issues, they were desiring a change 
> for the better immediately.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Frank Knobbe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 5:47 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.
> 
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:55 PM
> > 
> > Don't bother.  Use a proxy server and publish OWA.  Or
> require SSL and
> > open port 443.  Or implement a VPN.  I still think putting an 
> > Exchange front-end server in a DMZ is kind of silly.  Not as silly 
> > with Exchange 2000 as with Exchange 5.5, but silly nonetheless.
> 
> Ed,
> 
> I don't find this silly at all. Let me try to clarify:
> 
> Scenario A:
> 
> You have an Internet connection coming to a firewall. Behind the
> firewall in your internal network you have an Exchange server. You 
> also have a web server (maybe on the same box, maybe different box). 
> You allow HTTPS traffic through the firewall to the web server in the 
> LAN.
> 
> Scenario B:
> 
> You have an Internet connection coming to a firewall. Behind the
> firewall in your internal network you have an Exchange server. In a 
> DMZ segment (which can be a third network card in the firewall, or a 
> segment between two
> firewalls) you have a web server. HTTPS traffic is allowed to
> the web server, and required ports (say, RPC, NetBIOS, 
> InfoStore, Directory) are allowed from the web server through 
> the firewall to the Exchange server.
> 
> 
> Scenario A has following disadvantages:
> If your web server gets compromised, the hacker is in your internal
> network. You have no means of further restricting access (besides 
> shutting the server down). Intrusion Detection is almost impossible on

> the SSL session (unless you terminate SSL on a proxy and go clear text

> from there). So a compromise can easily go undetected, and the
> intruder can probe your network and advance access. The primary 
> intrusion containment is all of your internal network.
> 
> In Scenario B you have following advantages:
> If your web server gets compromised, the hacker can access everything
> in the DMZ. He will have to discover the address of the Exchange 
> server (which can be made hard through proper host hardening). Once he

> has that he can attack the Exchange server, but using Exchange as
> another stepping stone to gain access to the rest of your network can 
> again be very hard. All those 'hard' items will buy you time. In 
> addition, Intrusion Detection in the DMZ can quickly alert you if it
> sees 'strange' traffic coming from the web server (say FTP 
>

RE: Outlook 2000 Team Folders

[Soysal, Serdar]

I played with it when it first came out.  It was neat and all but I didn't
think it was worth the effort since it can only be accessed via Outlook.  I
would rather do something using the SharePoint Server.

S.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Chandler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Outlook 2000 Team Folders


Has anyone ever gotten this to work successfully? If so, would you be
willing to pass the knowledge on? I have not been able to find a coherent
set of instructions to enable this and am at my wits end.

Thanks in advance.

Mark

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RE: AntiVirus Change

[Kim Schotanus]

Trend is...


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 18 October, 2001 4:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AntiVirus Change


Yes

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Callan, Chris
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AntiVirus Change


Are these what everyone considers as the best of the AV Softwares.

-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AntiVirus Change


2 options to look at:
Antigen - www.sybari.com
Trend Scanmail - www.antivirus.com


Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.


 -Original Message-
From:   Callan, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:AntiVirus Change

Ok, I am trying to convince my Supervisor to switch from InoculateIT to
Antigen.  Can someone point me to their website so that I can get some
more information about the product and get my research started.  Both my
mail servers are Nt 4.0 w/SP6a, running Exchange 5.5 w/SP4


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POP3 issue after disabling relay

[Sethi, Ali]

Hello Everyone,

Specs:
Windows 2000 server sp1
Exchange 5.5 sp4

At one time our Exchange server was setup as a relay agent.  We had numerous
ISPs like mindspring and earthlink block emails stemming from our domain.
Several days ago we corrected that problem by ensuring our Exchange server
is no longer setup to relay.  The following steps were done to prohibit
relaying:

1.In IMS we unchecked 'Hosts and clients with these IP addresses'
2.We also unchecked 'Hosts and clients connecting to these internal address
and remove the ip address and mask of our Exchange server.

We are having issues with our POP3 users after making these changes to
disable relaying.  We are getting complaints from users setup as POP3 that
they cannot send to external email addresses.  They can only send to our
internal users.  As a temp solution we have asked that our POP3 users use
OWA to send to outside clients.  At present there are approximately 13 POP3
users in our company so its not a major issues but just a slight
inconvenience for them.  Is there a way we can correct this issue and allow
the POP3 users to send externally?  Does any one have any suggestions?  Any
assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,


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RE: Firewall and Exchange Ports.

[Jim Helfer]

[snip for brevity]

Scenario A has following disadvantages:
If your web server gets compromised, the hacker is in your internal
network. You have no means of further restricting access (besides
shutting the server down). Intrusion Detection is almost impossible
on the SSL session (unless you terminate SSL on a proxy and go clear
text from there). So a compromise can easily go undetected, and the
intruder can probe your network and advance access. The primary
intrusion containment is all of your internal network.

In Scenario B you have following advantages:
If your web server gets compromised, the hacker can access everything
in the DMZ. He will have to discover the address of the Exchange
server (which can be made hard through proper host hardening). Once
he has that he can attack the Exchange server, but using Exchange as
another stepping stone to gain access to the rest of your network can
again be very hard. All those 'hard' items will buy you time. In
addition, Intrusion Detection in the DMZ can quickly alert you if it
sees 'strange' traffic coming from the web server (say FTP
connections, port scans, etc). The primary intrusion containment is
only the DMZ.

We can even go a step further. Using a host or network based IDS
system, you can potentially reconfigure the firewall in an automated
fashion to disallow any access from/to the web server in the DMZ. Now
even the allowed ports are closed, the attacker has no way into your
network.


Scenario B buys you time and has far greater potential of protecting
your internal network.

Now, I'm primarily a security consultant, and less of an Exchange
consultant, so I may look at this differently than the average
Exchange Admin and mail list member. Reading comments like 'placing
OWA into the internal network can secure your DMZ' and 'OWA in the
DMZ opens you more up than OWA in your internal network' just make me
scream since from a security perspective, they are completely wrong.

If anyone wants to seriously discuss this further in a professional
manner, please email me offline as I'm not going to enter a silly
discussion with armchair security 'experts' on the list.

Best regards,
Frank





  We'll I'm not an expert in security, Exchange, or beermaking, but if you
told me this in a consultation, I would ask this question:

  Aren't you assuming that any hosts in the Trusted Lan in Scenario A are
completely defenseless and unmonitored, while all the hosts in the DMZ and
the trusted LAN in Scenario B are completely hardened, monitored and have
other defense systems like IDS running?  Isn't this begging the question?  

  The next question that I would have for you (and it may be one based on my
ignorance) is why is it harder (all things being equal) for a hacker to
exploit 3 or 4 different services that have holes in my firewall (NetBIOS,
RPC, SMB, etc for OWA through a DMZ) than 1 open service (HTTPS) ?

   To get my company's money, you would have to prove and document these
recomendations with independent documentation.   Saying "I'm an expert, and
no one else is" wouldn't go too far.  
 Not saying you're wrong, mind.  I just think you have to show your work to
get credit for this answer.

   Jim Helfer

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RE: POP3 issue after disabling relay

[Joyce, Louis]

i take it that you restarted the IMS?

Regards

Mr Louis Joyce
Computer Support Analyst
Network Administrator
BT Ignite eSolutions
+44 (0)1392 459155



-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 18 October 2001 15:50
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: POP3 issue after disabling relay


Hello Everyone,

Specs:
Windows 2000 server sp1
Exchange 5.5 sp4

At one time our Exchange server was setup as a relay agent.  We had numerous
ISPs like mindspring and earthlink block emails stemming from our domain.
Several days ago we corrected that problem by ensuring our Exchange server
is no longer setup to relay.  The following steps were done to prohibit
relaying:

1.In IMS we unchecked 'Hosts and clients with these IP addresses'
2.We also unchecked 'Hosts and clients connecting to these internal address
and remove the ip address and mask of our Exchange server.

We are having issues with our POP3 users after making these changes to
disable relaying.  We are getting complaints from users setup as POP3 that
they cannot send to external email addresses.  They can only send to our
internal users.  As a temp solution we have asked that our POP3 users use
OWA to send to outside clients.  At present there are approximately 13 POP3
users in our company so its not a major issues but just a slight
inconvenience for them.  Is there a way we can correct this issue and allow
the POP3 users to send externally?  Does any one have any suggestions?  Any
assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,


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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Tener, Richard]

Don,
If you don't mind me asking how does the deleted items retention
help restore a mailbox.  I though deleted items retention was for setting
limits for a mailbox or public folder.  

Rich

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Nope.  Why would you want to?  Deleted Items Retention works very nicely.

D

-Original Message-
From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox?  Not flaming,
genuinely interested in knowing.

TIA.

Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse
Endoxy Healthcare
847-941-9206
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups

I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like
it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few
others.  Off of the top of my head, those products are very good.

ArcCrap is exactly that...  Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse,
breaks more than it fixes...  Shall I go on?

-Original Message-
From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone
mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by
others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I
haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty
poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no
disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend
it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either.

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Do you always bet on the losing horse?

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

> -Original Message-
> From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I would bet on ArcServe.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. 
> Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support 
> (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have 
> any information on file about my company or purchases).  I've decided 
> to choose another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is 
> what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use 
> with NT/2000 including Exchange support.
> 
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RE: Outlook 2000 Team Folders

[Diane Poremsky]

Yes. 

Can you be more specific in your problems? Have you checked at
slipstick.com, I think she has more information there.  

-Original Message-
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willing to pass the knowledge on? I have not been able to find a
coherent
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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Sinton, Gary]

Our backup media is 35/70GB DLT and HP Ultrium. At our current 60GB, full
backups of our servers require over 15 hours; and we're planning substantial
increases in array size at all sites. How are those of you who have storage
in excess of 100GB assuring that you have reliable backups? Do you have the
tapes running all the time?

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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Andy David]

It doesnt. In 2000 you can set up a retention time for a deleted mailbox
(Hey there's one reason to upgrade!) as well as deleted items within the
mailboxes. I think what Don is saying is that if you have deleted items
retention setup, you wont need to restore a mailbox in order to restore any
items that have been deleted within that window...


Andy


-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Don,
If you don't mind me asking how does the deleted items retention
help restore a mailbox.  I though deleted items retention was for setting
limits for a mailbox or public folder.  

Rich

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Nope.  Why would you want to?  Deleted Items Retention works very nicely.

D

-Original Message-
From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox?  Not flaming,
genuinely interested in knowing.

TIA.

Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse
Endoxy Healthcare
847-941-9206
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups

I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like
it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few
others.  Off of the top of my head, those products are very good.

ArcCrap is exactly that...  Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse,
breaks more than it fixes...  Shall I go on?

-Original Message-
From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone
mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by
others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I
haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty
poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no
disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend
it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either.

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Do you always bet on the losing horse?

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

> -Original Message-
> From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I would bet on ArcServe.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers. 
> Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support 
> (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have 
> any information on file about my company or purchases).  I've decided 
> to choose another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is 
> what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use 
> with NT/2000 including Exchange support.
> 
> Thanks
> --
> Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> IS Manager
> Stanek Tool 
> New Berlin, WI
> 
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RE: POP3 issue after disabling relay

[Sethi, Ali]

Yes. The IMS was restarted.

-Original Message-
From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP3 issue after disabling relay

i take it that you restarted the IMS?

Regards

Mr Louis Joyce
Computer Support Analyst
Network Administrator
BT Ignite eSolutions
+44 (0)1392 459155



-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 18 October 2001 15:50
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: POP3 issue after disabling relay


Hello Everyone,

Specs:
Windows 2000 server sp1
Exchange 5.5 sp4

At one time our Exchange server was setup as a relay agent.  We had numerous
ISPs like mindspring and earthlink block emails stemming from our domain.
Several days ago we corrected that problem by ensuring our Exchange server
is no longer setup to relay.  The following steps were done to prohibit
relaying:

1.In IMS we unchecked 'Hosts and clients with these IP addresses'
2.We also unchecked 'Hosts and clients connecting to these internal address
and remove the ip address and mask of our Exchange server.

We are having issues with our POP3 users after making these changes to
disable relaying.  We are getting complaints from users setup as POP3 that
they cannot send to external email addresses.  They can only send to our
internal users.  As a temp solution we have asked that our POP3 users use
OWA to send to outside clients.  At present there are approximately 13 POP3
users in our company so its not a major issues but just a slight
inconvenience for them.  Is there a way we can correct this issue and allow
the POP3 users to send externally?  Does any one have any suggestions?  Any
assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,


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RE: POP3 issue after disabling relay

[Darcy Adams]

Ali - you HAVE to allow relaying for POP3 to external addresses to work, because your 
POP users have to use your IMS as a RELAY server for outbound mail.  The trick is 
closing the holes so that spammers can't use your server. 

On the routing restrictions page: turn on "Hosts and Clients that Successfully 
Authenticate" then tell your POP users to set their client to pass their 
authentication to their outbound server.  In OE that's on the Servers tab and is a 
checkbox that says "My server requires authentication"

-Original Message-
From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: POP3 issue after disabling relay


Hello Everyone,

Specs:
Windows 2000 server sp1
Exchange 5.5 sp4

At one time our Exchange server was setup as a relay agent.  We had numerous
ISPs like mindspring and earthlink block emails stemming from our domain.
Several days ago we corrected that problem by ensuring our Exchange server
is no longer setup to relay.  The following steps were done to prohibit
relaying:

1.In IMS we unchecked 'Hosts and clients with these IP addresses'
2.We also unchecked 'Hosts and clients connecting to these internal address
and remove the ip address and mask of our Exchange server.

We are having issues with our POP3 users after making these changes to
disable relaying.  We are getting complaints from users setup as POP3 that
they cannot send to external email addresses.  They can only send to our
internal users.  As a temp solution we have asked that our POP3 users use
OWA to send to outside clients.  At present there are approximately 13 POP3
users in our company so its not a major issues but just a slight
inconvenience for them.  Is there a way we can correct this issue and allow
the POP3 users to send externally?  Does any one have any suggestions?  Any
assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,


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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Don Ely]

Rich,

Deleted Items Retention has nothing to do with limits on PF's or Mailboxes.
Deleted Items Retention gives you and your users the ability to recover a
piece of mail they deleted without having to do any kind of restore.

The only scenario I can see where a mailbox would need to be restored is for
some legal issue or something.  In the event that you actually needed to
restore a mailbox, that would be a great time to test your disaster recovery
procedures.  

The other night I was called to a client site to do some disaster recovery
only to find out their backups were useless.  That was the wrong time to
discover that.

That is why BLB's are useless to me and many others around the world.  They
are a waste of tape and resources, not to mention the strain put on the
tapes and the tape drives themselves.

Does that explain enough for you?

D

-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Don,
If you don't mind me asking how does the deleted items retention
help restore a mailbox.  I though deleted items retention was for setting
limits for a mailbox or public folder.  

Rich

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Nope.  Why would you want to?  Deleted Items Retention works very nicely.

D

-Original Message-
From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox?  Not flaming,
genuinely interested in knowing.

TIA.

Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse
Endoxy Healthcare
847-941-9206
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups

I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like
it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few
others.  Off of the top of my head, those products are very good.

ArcCrap is exactly that...  Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse,
breaks more than it fixes...  Shall I go on?

-Original Message-
From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone
mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by
others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I
haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty
poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no
disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend
it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either.

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Do you always bet on the losing horse?

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

> -Original Message-
> From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I would bet on ArcServe.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers.
> Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support 
> (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have 
> any information on file about my company or purchases).  I've decided 
> to choose another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is 
> what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use 
> with NT/2000 including Exchange support.
> 
> Thanks
> --
> Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> IS Manager
> Stanek Tool 
> New Berlin, WI
> 
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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Don Ely]

I wish I was running E2K here!  Only a couple more months to go and I will
be.

But yes, Andy hit the nail on the head.

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:06 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


It doesnt. In 2000 you can set up a retention time for a deleted mailbox
(Hey there's one reason to upgrade!) as well as deleted items within the
mailboxes. I think what Don is saying is that if you have deleted items
retention setup, you wont need to restore a mailbox in order to restore any
items that have been deleted within that window...


Andy


-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Don,
If you don't mind me asking how does the deleted items retention
help restore a mailbox.  I though deleted items retention was for setting
limits for a mailbox or public folder.  

Rich

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Nope.  Why would you want to?  Deleted Items Retention works very nicely.

D

-Original Message-
From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox?  Not flaming,
genuinely interested in knowing.

TIA.

Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse
Endoxy Healthcare
847-941-9206
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups

I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like
it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few
others.  Off of the top of my head, those products are very good.

ArcCrap is exactly that...  Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse,
breaks more than it fixes...  Shall I go on?

-Original Message-
From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone
mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by
others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I
haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty
poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no
disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend
it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either.

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Do you always bet on the losing horse?

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

> -Original Message-
> From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I would bet on ArcServe.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers.
> Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support 
> (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have 
> any information on file about my company or purchases).  I've decided 
> to choose another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is 
> what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use 
> with NT/2000 including Exchange support.
> 
> Thanks
> --
> Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> IS Manager
> Stanek Tool 
> New Berlin, WI
> 
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look like. It is running at zero 99% of time. Is this reason for concern
and if so what type of problem would this point to?

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RE: POP3 issue after disabling relay

[Hansen, Eric]

We did that, and had problems.  Our final resolution was to have a
invisible SMTP server.

> Ali - you HAVE to allow relaying for POP3 to external addresses to work, because 
>your POP users have to use your IMS as a RELAY server for outbound mail.  The trick 
>is closing the holes so that spammers can't use your server.
> 
> On the routing restrictions page: turn on "Hosts and Clients that Successfully 
>Authenticate" then tell your POP users to set their client to pass their 
>authentication to their outbound server.  In OE that's on the Servers tab and is a 
>checkbox that says "My server requires authentication"
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:50 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: POP3 issue after disabling relay
> 
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Specs:
> Windows 2000 server sp1
> Exchange 5.5 sp4
> 
> At one time our Exchange server was setup as a relay agent.  We had numerous
> ISPs like mindspring and earthlink block emails stemming from our domain.
> Several days ago we corrected that problem by ensuring our Exchange server
> is no longer setup to relay.  The following steps were done to prohibit
> relaying:
> 
> 1.In IMS we unchecked 'Hosts and clients with these IP addresses'
> 2.We also unchecked 'Hosts and clients connecting to these internal address
> and remove the ip address and mask of our Exchange server.
> 
> We are having issues with our POP3 users after making these changes to
> disable relaying.  We are getting complaints from users setup as POP3 that
> they cannot send to external email addresses.  They can only send to our
> internal users.  As a temp solution we have asked that our POP3 users use
> OWA to send to outside clients.  At present there are approximately 13 POP3
> users in our company so its not a major issues but just a slight
> inconvenience for them.  Is there a way we can correct this issue and allow
> the POP3 users to send externally?  Does any one have any suggestions?  Any
> assistance would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Roger Seielstad]

Without a disaster recovery, how do you *know* the software is working for
you?

By looking at ArgServe's piss poor excuse for job logging?

--
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Senior Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems
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http://www.peregrine.com


> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime
> someone mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe 
> (foisted on
> me by others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either.
> But then I haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. 
> Their support
> is pretty poor, but so far the software has done the job for 
> us (like I
> said, no disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go 
> so far as to
> recommend it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either.
> 
> Rob
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> Do you always bet on the losing horse?
> 
> -
> Phil Randal
> Network Engineer
> Herefordshire Council
> Hereford, UK 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
> > 
> > 
> > I would bet on ArcServe.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
> Craig Manske
> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Opinion on Backups
> > 
> > 
> > I've been looking at Backup software for out 
> NT/2000/Exchange servers.
> > Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor 
> > support (Pay
> > support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have any
> > information on file about my company or purchases).  I've 
> > decided to choose
> > another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is 
> what you're
> > opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use with NT/2000
> > including Exchange support.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > --
> > Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > IS Manager
> > Stanek Tool 
> > New Berlin, WI
> > 
> > 
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RE: POP3 issue after disabling relay

[Darcy Adams]

In our case, it helps that mail comes in to a Sendmail server which relays to our 
Exchange box.  I was able to open up the IMS to accept from just certain IP addresses 
and from authenticated users.

Darcy

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: POP3 issue after disabling relay


We did that, and had problems.  Our final resolution was to have a
invisible SMTP server.

> Ali - you HAVE to allow relaying for POP3 to external addresses to work, because 
>your POP users have to use your IMS as a RELAY server for outbound mail.  The trick 
>is closing the holes so that spammers can't use your server.
> 
> On the routing restrictions page: turn on "Hosts and Clients that Successfully 
>Authenticate" then tell your POP users to set their client to pass their 
>authentication to their outbound server.  In OE that's on the Servers tab and is a 
>checkbox that says "My server requires authentication"
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:50 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: POP3 issue after disabling relay
> 
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Specs:
> Windows 2000 server sp1
> Exchange 5.5 sp4
> 
> At one time our Exchange server was setup as a relay agent.  We had numerous
> ISPs like mindspring and earthlink block emails stemming from our domain.
> Several days ago we corrected that problem by ensuring our Exchange server
> is no longer setup to relay.  The following steps were done to prohibit
> relaying:
> 
> 1.In IMS we unchecked 'Hosts and clients with these IP addresses'
> 2.We also unchecked 'Hosts and clients connecting to these internal address
> and remove the ip address and mask of our Exchange server.
> 
> We are having issues with our POP3 users after making these changes to
> disable relaying.  We are getting complaints from users setup as POP3 that
> they cannot send to external email addresses.  They can only send to our
> internal users.  As a temp solution we have asked that our POP3 users use
> OWA to send to outside clients.  At present there are approximately 13 POP3
> users in our company so its not a major issues but just a slight
> inconvenience for them.  Is there a way we can correct this issue and allow
> the POP3 users to send externally?  Does any one have any suggestions?  Any
> assistance would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Tristan Gayford]

In which case you will probably need to look at your DR solution. You
throughput is not stunning even for NTBackup (and it isn't known for speed).
You make sure that you have reliable backups by testing them - you'll make
sure that you can hit your SLA's this way as well as getting used to it and
ensuring the tapes have data on them. If you have 100GB stores, the solution
that you have wouldn't be acceptable IMHO.

Tris

-Original Message-
From: Sinton, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 18 October 2001 16:00
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Our backup media is 35/70GB DLT and HP Ultrium. At our current 60GB, full
backups of our servers require over 15 hours; and we're planning substantial
increases in array size at all sites. How are those of you who have storage
in excess of 100GB assuring that you have reliable backups? Do you have the
tapes running all the time?

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RE: OH

[John Matteson]

Then you don't qualify for the "Pink Monitor" award.

John Matteson; Exchange Manager
Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards
(404) 239 - 2981

...the words that I remember from my childhood still are true, that there
are none so blind as those who will not see
--The Moody Blues (I know you're out there)



-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Pretty damn close!  I was just putting the can to my lips when I started
reading it.  I about fell out my chair.

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Did it come spurting out of your nose?

John Matteson; Exchange Manager
Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards
(404) 239 - 2981

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are none so blind as those who will not see --The Moody Blues (I know
you're out there)



-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


ROFLMFAO

Dammit!!!  I spit Coke all over my monitor reading that!

-Original Message-
From: Osborn, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


He couldn't get a clue if he was in a field full of horny clues in the
middle of clue mating season and had covered himself with clue musk.

...Joel

Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery.

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Uh...  Mike, I suggest you get a clue.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchell Mike
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


kim kim kim kim kim kim...  get a clue... 

-Original Message-
From: Kim Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 2:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


how many more people have to leave this list before you guys shut the f*ck
up?  

there are plenty of other venues for this insipid banter, which is so
boring, it saps the very life out of this list.  take it offline.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tener, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: OH



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RE: OH

[Don Ely]

I don't want a "Pink Monitor" award.  Sounds too girly...  No offense
ladies!  :o)

D

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:36 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Then you don't qualify for the "Pink Monitor" award.

John Matteson; Exchange Manager
Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards
(404) 239 - 2981

...the words that I remember from my childhood still are true, that there
are none so blind as those who will not see --The Moody Blues (I know
you're out there)



-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Pretty damn close!  I was just putting the can to my lips when I started
reading it.  I about fell out my chair.

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Did it come spurting out of your nose?

John Matteson; Exchange Manager
Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards
(404) 239 - 2981

...the words that I remember from my childhood still are true, that there
are none so blind as those who will not see --The Moody Blues (I know
you're out there)



-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


ROFLMFAO

Dammit!!!  I spit Coke all over my monitor reading that!

-Original Message-
From: Osborn, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


He couldn't get a clue if he was in a field full of horny clues in the
middle of clue mating season and had covered himself with clue musk.

...Joel

Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery.

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Uh...  Mike, I suggest you get a clue.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchell Mike
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


kim kim kim kim kim kim...  get a clue... 

-Original Message-
From: Kim Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 2:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


how many more people have to leave this list before you guys shut the f*ck
up?  

there are plenty of other venues for this insipid banter, which is so
boring, it saps the very life out of this list.  take it offline.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tener, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: OH



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RE: POP3 issue after disabling relay

[Hansen, Eric]

Thats a good point.  Our remote pop users never have the same IP so that
option wasnt available to us.  If Ali's users are static and he knows the
IP's that would be a far better way to do it.

e


> In our case, it helps that mail comes in to a Sendmail server which relays to our 
>Exchange box.  I was able to open up the IMS to accept from just certain IP addresses 
>and from authenticated users.
> 
> Darcy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:32 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: POP3 issue after disabling relay
> 
> 
> We did that, and had problems.  Our final resolution was to have a
> invisible SMTP server.
> 
> > Ali - you HAVE to allow relaying for POP3 to external addresses to work, because 
>your POP users have to use your IMS as a RELAY server for outbound mail.  The trick 
>is closing the holes so that spammers can't use your server.
> > 
> > On the routing restrictions page: turn on "Hosts and Clients that Successfully 
>Authenticate" then tell your POP users to set their client to pass their 
>authentication to their outbound server.  In OE that's on the Servers tab and is a 
>checkbox that says "My server requires authentication"
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sethi, Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:50 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: POP3 issue after disabling relay
> > 
> > 
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > Specs:
> > Windows 2000 server sp1
> > Exchange 5.5 sp4
> > 
> > At one time our Exchange server was setup as a relay agent.  We had numerous
> > ISPs like mindspring and earthlink block emails stemming from our domain.
> > Several days ago we corrected that problem by ensuring our Exchange server
> > is no longer setup to relay.  The following steps were done to prohibit
> > relaying:
> > 
> > 1.In IMS we unchecked 'Hosts and clients with these IP addresses'
> > 2.We also unchecked 'Hosts and clients connecting to these internal address
> > and remove the ip address and mask of our Exchange server.
> > 
> > We are having issues with our POP3 users after making these changes to
> > disable relaying.  We are getting complaints from users setup as POP3 that
> > they cannot send to external email addresses.  They can only send to our
> > internal users.  As a temp solution we have asked that our POP3 users use
> > OWA to send to outside clients.  At present there are approximately 13 POP3
> > users in our company so its not a major issues but just a slight
> > inconvenience for them.  Is there a way we can correct this issue and allow
> > the POP3 users to send externally?  Does any one have any suggestions?  Any
> > assistance would be greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > 
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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Renouf, Phillip]

15 hours?! Holy crap! You do realise that it is likely going to take that
long to restore as well right?

We are using a local 35/70gb DLT library from IBM and it takes us about 2
hours max to backup a 35gb store. Using out new SAN with the same 35/70gb
DLT library it takes us about 2 hours to backup any server on the SAN. Using
the LTO library we're testing from IBM it takes us about 30 minutes to
backup that 30gb store.

The software we are using is BackupExec 8.5.

Phil

> Our backup media is 35/70GB DLT and HP Ultrium. At our 
> current 60GB, full
> backups of our servers require over 15 hours; and we're 
> planning substantial
> increases in array size at all sites. How are those of you 
> who have storage
> in excess of 100GB assuring that you have reliable backups? 
> Do you have the
> tapes running all the time?

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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Mark Harford]

It does sound v.slow - I think we'd need to know what hardware, what raid
controllers, is it across the network, etc, etc to see why.

Of course if your figure includes BLBs then we all know why.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Tristan Gayford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 18 October 2001 16:35
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


In which case you will probably need to look at your DR solution. You
throughput is not stunning even for NTBackup (and it isn't known for speed).
You make sure that you have reliable backups by testing them - you'll make
sure that you can hit your SLA's this way as well as getting used to it and
ensuring the tapes have data on them. If you have 100GB stores, the solution
that you have wouldn't be acceptable IMHO.

Tris

-Original Message-
From: Sinton, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 18 October 2001 16:00
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Our backup media is 35/70GB DLT and HP Ultrium. At our current 60GB, full
backups of our servers require over 15 hours; and we're planning substantial
increases in array size at all sites. How are those of you who have storage
in excess of 100GB assuring that you have reliable backups? Do you have the
tapes running all the time?

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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Hansen, Eric]

15 hours doesnt suprise me in the least.  Ours was 22, it was getting
ugly, and backup exec is ugly.  Its probably great for one server or two
but not much more in my opinion.

So you liking that LTO SAN combo?  you using the IBM shark by chance?  We
piloted that hardware, it was really nice but about 100k$ more then we
wanted to spend.  We ended up going with commvault/spectralogic combo.  We
will probably add SAN next budget year.

> 15 hours?! Holy crap! You do realise that it is likely going to take that
> long to restore as well right?
> 
> We are using a local 35/70gb DLT library from IBM and it takes us about 2
> hours max to backup a 35gb store. Using out new SAN with the same 35/70gb
> DLT library it takes us about 2 hours to backup any server on the SAN. Using
> the LTO library we're testing from IBM it takes us about 30 minutes to
> backup that 30gb store.
> 
> The software we are using is BackupExec 8.5.
> 
> Phil
> 
> > Our backup media is 35/70GB DLT and HP Ultrium. At our 
> > current 60GB, full
> > backups of our servers require over 15 hours; and we're 
> > planning substantial
> > increases in array size at all sites. How are those of you 
> > who have storage
> > in excess of 100GB assuring that you have reliable backups? 
> > Do you have the
> > tapes running all the time?

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RE: OH

[Doug Hampshire]

But the Pink Monitor award comes with the Inner Circle secret decoder ring
so you can read Gary's earlier message. The message is all about beer,
gurlz, hogs, and other manly man stuff. G.

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:34 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


I don't want a "Pink Monitor" award.  Sounds too girly...  No offense
ladies!  :o)

D

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:36 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Then you don't qualify for the "Pink Monitor" award.

John Matteson; Exchange Manager
Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards
(404) 239 - 2981

...the words that I remember from my childhood still are true, that there
are none so blind as those who will not see --The Moody Blues (I know
you're out there)



-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Pretty damn close!  I was just putting the can to my lips when I started
reading it.  I about fell out my chair.

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Did it come spurting out of your nose?

John Matteson; Exchange Manager
Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards
(404) 239 - 2981

...the words that I remember from my childhood still are true, that there
are none so blind as those who will not see --The Moody Blues (I know
you're out there)



-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


ROFLMFAO

Dammit!!!  I spit Coke all over my monitor reading that!

-Original Message-
From: Osborn, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


He couldn't get a clue if he was in a field full of horny clues in the
middle of clue mating season and had covered himself with clue musk.

...Joel

Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery.

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Uh...  Mike, I suggest you get a clue.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchell Mike
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


kim kim kim kim kim kim...  get a clue... 

-Original Message-
From: Kim Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 2:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


how many more people have to leave this list before you guys shut the f*ck
up?  

there are plenty of other venues for this insipid banter, which is so
boring, it saps the very life out of this list.  take it offline.


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tener, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:22 PM
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Subject: OH



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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Sethi, Ali]

We are backing up about 40gb right now.  We are using Veritas Backup Exec
ver 8.6 and have turned 'verify' off since it just adds to the amount of
hours our backup takes.  Are you doing brick level or just full backups
nightly of the IS?  Our backup job usually completes in under 3hours.



-Original Message-
From: Renouf, Phillip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups

15 hours?! Holy crap! You do realise that it is likely going to take that
long to restore as well right?

We are using a local 35/70gb DLT library from IBM and it takes us about 2
hours max to backup a 35gb store. Using out new SAN with the same 35/70gb
DLT library it takes us about 2 hours to backup any server on the SAN. Using
the LTO library we're testing from IBM it takes us about 30 minutes to
backup that 30gb store.

The software we are using is BackupExec 8.5.

Phil

> Our backup media is 35/70GB DLT and HP Ultrium. At our 
> current 60GB, full
> backups of our servers require over 15 hours; and we're 
> planning substantial
> increases in array size at all sites. How are those of you 
> who have storage
> in excess of 100GB assuring that you have reliable backups? 
> Do you have the
> tapes running all the time?

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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Renouf, Phillip]

Yeah, the LTO is excellent. We're still trying to convince them to buy it
for us though. It isn't the shark, although there are two of those in the
building. This one is the 3584-L32 tape library. The SAN made a huge
difference in our backups times with the DLT because it eliminated any
servers we had that were backing up via the network, with the LTO though,
the speed difference was insane.

http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/tape/3584/index.html

It most definitely isn't cheap though.

Phil

> So you liking that LTO SAN combo?  you using the IBM shark by 
> chance?  We
> piloted that hardware, it was really nice but about 100k$ more then we
> wanted to spend.  We ended up going with 
> commvault/spectralogic combo.  We
> will probably add SAN next budget year.

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RE: OH

[Don Ely]

Ooohhh  Well then, someone send something as funny as that and I'll spit
coke, coffee, whatever you want, all over my monitor.  ;o)

-Original Message-
From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:53 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


But the Pink Monitor award comes with the Inner Circle secret decoder ring
so you can read Gary's earlier message. The message is all about beer,
gurlz, hogs, and other manly man stuff. G.

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:34 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


I don't want a "Pink Monitor" award.  Sounds too girly...  No offense
ladies!  :o)

D

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:36 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Then you don't qualify for the "Pink Monitor" award.

John Matteson; Exchange Manager
Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards
(404) 239 - 2981

...the words that I remember from my childhood still are true, that there
are none so blind as those who will not see --The Moody Blues (I know
you're out there)



-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Pretty damn close!  I was just putting the can to my lips when I started
reading it.  I about fell out my chair.

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Did it come spurting out of your nose?

John Matteson; Exchange Manager
Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards
(404) 239 - 2981

...the words that I remember from my childhood still are true, that there
are none so blind as those who will not see --The Moody Blues (I know
you're out there)



-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


ROFLMFAO

Dammit!!!  I spit Coke all over my monitor reading that!

-Original Message-
From: Osborn, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


He couldn't get a clue if he was in a field full of horny clues in the
middle of clue mating season and had covered himself with clue musk.

...Joel

Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery.

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


Uh...  Mike, I suggest you get a clue.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchell Mike
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


kim kim kim kim kim kim...  get a clue... 

-Original Message-
From: Kim Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 2:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OH


how many more people have to leave this list before you guys shut the f*ck
up?  

there are plenty of other venues for this insipid banter, which is so
boring, it saps the very life out of this list.  take it offline.


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tener, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:22 PM
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Subject: OH



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RE: Opinion on Backups

[Tener, Richard]

yes a little but I thought the Dumpster is what restores mail that was
deleted by a user or maybe I read it wrong.

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:04 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Rich,

Deleted Items Retention has nothing to do with limits on PF's or Mailboxes.
Deleted Items Retention gives you and your users the ability to recover a
piece of mail they deleted without having to do any kind of restore.

The only scenario I can see where a mailbox would need to be restored is for
some legal issue or something.  In the event that you actually needed to
restore a mailbox, that would be a great time to test your disaster recovery
procedures.  

The other night I was called to a client site to do some disaster recovery
only to find out their backups were useless.  That was the wrong time to
discover that.

That is why BLB's are useless to me and many others around the world.  They
are a waste of tape and resources, not to mention the strain put on the
tapes and the tape drives themselves.

Does that explain enough for you?

D

-Original Message-
From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Don,
If you don't mind me asking how does the deleted items retention
help restore a mailbox.  I though deleted items retention was for setting
limits for a mailbox or public folder.  

Rich

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Nope.  Why would you want to?  Deleted Items Retention works very nicely.

D

-Original Message-
From: Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Is there a way to make NTBACKUP restore a single mailbox?  Not flaming,
genuinely interested in knowing.

TIA.

Bill Lambert, Mcp, Mcse
Endoxy Healthcare
847-941-9206
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups

I like NT Backup, Backup Exec (Occasionally, the other night I didn't like
it at all), CommVault Galaxy, Ultrabac, LiveVault, and there might be a few
others.  Off of the top of my head, those products are very good.

ArcCrap is exactly that...  Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse,
breaks more than it fixes...  Shall I go on?

-Original Message-
From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


It seems like there's NO backup software anybody likes. Everytime someone
mentions a brand, they get toasted. We use ArcServe (foisted on me by
others). I'm not real wild about it, but I don't hate it either. But then I
haven't had to do a major recovery with it yet. Their support is pretty
poor, but so far the software has done the job for us (like I said, no
disaster recoveries yet). I don't know that I'd go so far as to recommend
it, but I wouldn't totally dis it either.

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups


Do you always bet on the losing horse?

-
Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK 

> -Original Message-
> From: Govindaraj Rangan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 October 2001 13:39
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I would bet on ArcServe.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig Manske
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Opinion on Backups
> 
> 
> I've been looking at Backup software for out NT/2000/Exchange servers.
> Right now we run Veritas Backup Exec but because of the poor support 
> (Pay support sucks) and horriable Customer Service (They didn't have 
> any information on file about my company or purchases).  I've decided 
> to choose another brand of tape software.  What I'd like to know is 
> what you're opinion is on the best software (Other then BE) to use 
> with NT/2000 including Exchange support.
> 
> Thanks
> --
> Craig Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> IS Manager
> Stanek Tool 
> New Berlin, WI
> 
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Installing Language(s)

[Erik Vesneski]

Hi:

I have looked through my books and still cannot find how to install
additional languages or if I delete out, in raw mode the English language,
how to add it back in.

I am assuming this is going to be an install of a language template?

Any help would be appreciated and does anyone know if the 'search'
functionality on the swynk page is going to work specific to the Exchange
5.5 distribution?

Thank you,

Erik L. Vesneski
Internal Network Manager
Epicentric, Inc.

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