RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations
\ I'd love to respond to these posts on a timely basis, but we bought Arcserve for our backups! Need I say more? Chip Brannon -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I just peed my pants. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Hey j-jaded You got your brick level backups But they're unrecoverable, uh huh So jaded You thought CA was where it was at But is that where it's s'posed to be You're gettin' it all over me X-rated -Original Message- From: Chris Levis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Hey j-jaded You got your mamma's style But you're yesterday's child to me So jaded You think that's where it's at But is that where it's s'posed to be You're gettin' it all over me X-rated -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Jaded -Original Message- From: Gary Aiston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations cynic :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: 25 January 2002 20:40 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations What's the FAQ? Why u no answer my question! -Original Message- From: Boettcher, Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations You are referring to the FAQ (indicated at the bottoms of these messages) Section 4.6, right? Keith Boettcher -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten
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You might try Argentina. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant Compaq Computer Corporation Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of East, Bill Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 10:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Maybe, but these are products which absolutely require maintenance. A month-old pattern file is worthless--you're paying for currency. You know somewhere where we can get free currency? -- be - MOS I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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set up a sendmail smart relay host on linux and use MILTER with your choice of vendor scan engine. i use McAfee virus scan for unix in my current trials. it seems to work ok. and is probably a cheaper solution of course you will need to have a little unix sysadmin and development skills. g. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My content filter captures videos of people who share your point of view. S. -Original Message- From: Bowles, John L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Sometimes taking a good one is just as good as sex. ___ John Bowles Exchange Administrator Enterprise Support Engineering Celera Genomics [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations M taking a good s**t -Original Message- From: Bowles, John L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Once again...I love it when people start getting pissy. This is some good $hit! ___ John Bowles Exchange Administrator Enterprise Support Engineering Celera Genomics [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found
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I've never seen both Andy and Lori at the same time. Hmmm... -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations echo -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Wasn't there a big discussion about CA software culminating in that it sucked a few days back? -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I'll bite. I saw a CA commercial on TV, it was advertising a new Backup software for them (forgot the name). If one product doesn't always work? sell another? to help out. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Been around for a few years. This list is for a number of people personal therapy. While Ripping on the guy that says Bricks with archserv are the only way to go is super entertaining. Good point. Never mind. Bring on someone to rip up. Going back to my movie now. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions
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This jihad seems to come around pretty regularly :). As I am the only one to not have experienced the problems that everyone else reports I will keep my comments short. We have used TVD (Total Virus Defense Suite) for several years with not one single problem that could be attributed back to NAI. Oh sure there was that one time with Groupshield when they went to the new engine :( But, other than that we have had 100% satisfaction with them. I have not had the pleasure of using Trend's software so I can not comment on that. I am sure though that it has to be far superior to everything else based on everyone's high recommendations. On the subject of pricing for your systems, that does seem awfully high. We just currently moved up to their AVD suite that contains ePolicy Orchestrator to allow for remote management of all systems and the quote came back at $23.80 per client and $5.25 for Connect Phone Support and Maintenance. That was for 2001 clients for 2 years. I believe that it was quoted at a 32% discount. It appears that you should be able to get the same discounts as we did since you are local government. This does sound like a good time to make the switch to Trend with what NAI is quoting you. Like I said, we have done well with it so I can not make a good enough case for switching. I guess that it wasn't that short. Ken Powell Systems Administrator Clark County Office of Budget and Information Services (OBIS) Vancouver, Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: (360) 397-6121 x4658 Fax: (360) 759-6001 -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:22 AM To: Exchange 5.5 List Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations
You are referring to the FAQ (indicated at the bottoms of these messages) Section 4.6, right? Keith Boettcher -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29
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-Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Maybe, but these are products which absolutely require maintenance. A month-old pattern file is worthless--you're paying for currency. You know somewhere where we can get free currency? -- be - MOS I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Don't get me wrong. I had made my peace with Groupshield's eccentricities, and probably would have stuck with it if they had not tried tripling the amount we were paying at the exact same time as I was trying (in vain) for months to get a fix from NAI tech support that would allow Groupshield to successfully clean the Magistr virus. But don't get me started... -Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 14:09 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations This jihad seems to come around pretty regularly :). As I am the only one to not have experienced the problems that everyone else reports I will keep my comments short. We have used TVD (Total Virus Defense Suite) for several years with not one single problem that could be attributed back to NAI. Oh sure there was that one time with Groupshield when they went to the new engine :( But, other than that we have had 100% satisfaction with them. I have not had the pleasure of using Trend's software so I can not comment on that. I am sure though that it has to be far superior to everything else based on everyone's high recommendations. On the subject of pricing for your systems, that does seem awfully high. We just currently moved up to their AVD suite that contains ePolicy Orchestrator to allow for remote management of all systems and the quote came back at $23.80 per client and $5.25 for Connect Phone Support and Maintenance. That was for 2001 clients for 2 years. I believe that it was quoted at a 32% discount. It appears that you should be able to get the same discounts as we did since you are local government. This does sound like a good time to make the switch to Trend with what NAI is quoting you. Like I said, we have done well with it so I can not make a good enough case for switching. I guess that it wasn't that short. Ken Powell Systems Administrator Clark County Office of Budget and Information Services (OBIS) Vancouver, Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: (360) 397-6121 x4658 Fax: (360) 759-6001 -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:22 AM To: Exchange 5.5 List Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This message is private or privileged. If you are not the person for whom this message is intended, please delete it and notify me immediately, and please do not copy or send this message to anyone else. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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All valid complaints. I may not be having the problems that most are having since we use their SMTP gateway product that is part of the Active Virus Defense suite called WebShield SMTP. It has allowed us to content filter and block at the gateway before it ever gets to Groupshield. I just got off of the phone with our account rep at NAI and she was trying to get us to go to their web appliance called e500. It basically is a hardware version of the Websheild SMTP product with a few bells and whistles. The benefits that it purports to have over the software version we hope to be able to handle at the firewall level. We did not see the tripling that others have seen. Had we have seen it we too would have been on Trend Micro like a donkey on a waffle. It is just hard to justify going to something that they see as never having let them down. Ken Powell Systems Administrator Clark County Office of Budget and Information Services (OBIS) Vancouver, Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: (360) 397-6121 x4658 Fax: (360) 759-6001 -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:07 AM To: Powell, Ken Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Don't get me wrong. I had made my peace with Groupshield's eccentricities, and probably would have stuck with it if they had not tried tripling the amount we were paying at the exact same time as I was trying (in vain) for months to get a fix from NAI tech support that would allow Groupshield to successfully clean the Magistr virus. But don't get me started... -Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 14:09 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations This jihad seems to come around pretty regularly :). As I am the only one to not have experienced the problems that everyone else reports I will keep my comments short. We have used TVD (Total Virus Defense Suite) for several years with not one single problem that could be attributed back to NAI. Oh sure there was that one time with Groupshield when they went to the new engine :( But, other than that we have had 100% satisfaction with them. I have not had the pleasure of using Trend's software so I can not comment on that. I am sure though that it has to be far superior to everything else based on everyone's high recommendations. On the subject of pricing for your systems, that does seem awfully high. We just currently moved up to their AVD suite that contains ePolicy Orchestrator to allow for remote management of all systems and the quote came back at $23.80 per client and $5.25 for Connect Phone Support and Maintenance. That was for 2001 clients for 2 years. I believe that it was quoted at a 32% discount. It appears that you should be able to get the same discounts as we did since you are local government. This does sound like a good time to make the switch to Trend with what NAI is quoting you. Like I said, we have done well with it so I can not make a good enough case for switching. I guess that it wasn't that short. Ken Powell Systems Administrator Clark County Office of Budget and Information Services (OBIS) Vancouver, Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: (360) 397-6121 x4658 Fax: (360) 759-6001 -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:22 AM To: Exchange 5.5 List Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This message is private or privileged. If you
RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations
What's the FAQ? Why u no answer my question! -Original Message- From: Boettcher, Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations You are referring to the FAQ (indicated at the bottoms of these messages) Section 4.6, right? Keith Boettcher -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats
RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations
cynic :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: 25 January 2002 20:40 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations What's the FAQ? Why u no answer my question! -Original Message- From: Boettcher, Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations You are referring to the FAQ (indicated at the bottoms of these messages) Section 4.6, right? Keith Boettcher -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin
RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations
Jaded -Original Message- From: Gary Aiston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations cynic :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: 25 January 2002 20:40 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations What's the FAQ? Why u no answer my question! -Original Message- From: Boettcher, Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations You are referring to the FAQ (indicated at the bottoms of these messages) Section 4.6, right? Keith Boettcher -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM
RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations
Hey j-jaded You got your mamma's style But you're yesterday's child to me So jaded You think that's where it's at But is that where it's s'posed to be You're gettin' it all over me X-rated -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Jaded -Original Message- From: Gary Aiston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations cynic :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: 25 January 2002 20:40 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations What's the FAQ? Why u no answer my question! -Original Message- From: Boettcher, Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations You are referring to the FAQ (indicated at the bottoms of these messages) Section 4.6, right? Keith Boettcher -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So
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Pulls CD out of case and puts it in player. . . -Original Message- From: Chris Levis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Hey j-jaded You got your mamma's style But you're yesterday's child to me So jaded You think that's where it's at But is that where it's s'posed to be You're gettin' it all over me X-rated -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Jaded -Original Message- From: Gary Aiston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations cynic :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: 25 January 2002 20:40 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations What's the FAQ? Why u no answer my question! -Original Message- From: Boettcher, Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations You are referring to the FAQ (indicated at the bottoms of these messages) Section 4.6, right? Keith Boettcher -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's
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Hey j-jaded You got your brick level backups But they're unrecoverable, uh huh So jaded You thought CA was where it was at But is that where it's s'posed to be You're gettin' it all over me X-rated -Original Message- From: Chris Levis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Hey j-jaded You got your mamma's style But you're yesterday's child to me So jaded You think that's where it's at But is that where it's s'posed to be You're gettin' it all over me X-rated -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Jaded -Original Message- From: Gary Aiston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations cynic :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: 25 January 2002 20:40 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations What's the FAQ? Why u no answer my question! -Original Message- From: Boettcher, Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations You are referring to the FAQ (indicated at the bottoms of these messages) Section 4.6, right? Keith Boettcher -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite
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I just peed my pants. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Hey j-jaded You got your brick level backups But they're unrecoverable, uh huh So jaded You thought CA was where it was at But is that where it's s'posed to be You're gettin' it all over me X-rated -Original Message- From: Chris Levis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Hey j-jaded You got your mamma's style But you're yesterday's child to me So jaded You think that's where it's at But is that where it's s'posed to be You're gettin' it all over me X-rated -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Jaded -Original Message- From: Gary Aiston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations cynic :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: 25 January 2002 20:40 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations What's the FAQ? Why u no answer my question! -Original Message- From: Boettcher, Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations You are referring to the FAQ (indicated at the bottoms of these messages) Section 4.6, right? Keith Boettcher -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am
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You're gettin' it all over me X-rated -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I just peed my pants. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Hey j-jaded You got your brick level backups But they're unrecoverable, uh huh So jaded You thought CA was where it was at But is that where it's s'posed to be You're gettin' it all over me X-rated -Original Message- From: Chris Levis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Hey j-jaded You got your mamma's style But you're yesterday's child to me So jaded You think that's where it's at But is that where it's s'posed to be You're gettin' it all over me X-rated -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Jaded -Original Message- From: Gary Aiston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations cynic :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: 25 January 2002 20:40 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations What's the FAQ? Why u no answer my question! -Original Message- From: Boettcher, Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations You are referring to the FAQ (indicated at the bottoms of these messages) Section 4.6, right? Keith Boettcher -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin
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Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
Excellent. Well, it is the one that seems to be most often noted as a good product-line on this list. So, I'll see what their salespeople are able to tell me. Thanks! -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http
RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp
RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
The lovely and talented Ms. Lisa Baker at Simpler-Webb, Inc. (an authorized TrendMicro reseller) would be more than happy to get you a quote I'm sure. 512-322-0071 Although being a library, she might have to make some calls to get you accurate pricing. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Excellent. Well, it is the one that seems to be most often noted as a good product-line on this list. So, I'll see what their salespeople are able to tell me. Thanks! -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http
RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes
RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
I use Antigen for Exchange and Sophos for the desktops. Love both of them. Bill Lambert Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource
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Yep...I use CDW too...I user their extranet web site to order...fast and easy and they have most everything. Bill Lambert Endoxy Healthcare 847-941-9206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost? I'd really like to find something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200). It really is important that the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5. Especially when it comes to attachment blocking. Thanks much! Matt Hoffman _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ
RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
Alright, I found it myself: Trend's got single-year licensing with the second year being an additional 20%. Sheesh. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other vendors that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.). Any
Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations
You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we originally purchased the suite for (around $3000). Of course, we are going from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous. Therefore, I am looking for potential alternatives. I know that there are other
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It's the software equivalent of planned obsolescence. *sigh* -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations Hello! Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've found that the cost of renewal is significantly greater
RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations
I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that donÂ’t get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names. For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL
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LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio
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Been around for a few years. This list is for a number of people personal therapy. While Ripping on the guy that says Bricks with archserv are the only way to go is super entertaining. Good point. Never mind. Bring on someone to rip up. Going back to my movie now. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes
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I'll bite. I saw a CA commercial on TV, it was advertising a new Backup software for them (forgot the name). If one product doesn't always work? sell another? to help out. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Been around for a few years. This list is for a number of people personal therapy. While Ripping on the guy that says Bricks with archserv are the only way to go is super entertaining. Good point. Never mind. Bring on someone to rip up. Going back to my movie now. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found
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Wasn't there a big discussion about CA software culminating in that it sucked a few days back? -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I'll bite. I saw a CA commercial on TV, it was advertising a new Backup software for them (forgot the name). If one product doesn't always work? sell another? to help out. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Been around for a few years. This list is for a number of people personal therapy. While Ripping on the guy that says Bricks with archserv are the only way to go is super entertaining. Good point. Never mind. Bring on someone to rip up. Going back to my movie now. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which
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same product new name.. They think they can make more managers buy it and force it on their IT people.. New name Same Crap. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I'll bite. I saw a CA commercial on TV, it was advertising a new Backup software for them (forgot the name). If one product doesn't always work? sell another? to help out. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Been around for a few years. This list is for a number of people personal therapy. While Ripping on the guy that says Bricks with archserv are the only way to go is super entertaining. Good point. Never mind. Bring on someone to rip up. Going back to my movie now. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers
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LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Wasn't there a big discussion about CA software culminating in that it sucked a few days back? -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I'll bite. I saw a CA commercial on TV, it was advertising a new Backup software for them (forgot the name). If one product doesn't always work? sell another? to help out. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Been around for a few years. This list is for a number of people personal therapy. While Ripping on the guy that says Bricks with archserv are the only way to go is super entertaining. Good point. Never mind. Bring on someone to rip up. Going back to my movie now. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up
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Once again...I love it when people start getting pissy. This is some good $hit! ___ John Bowles Exchange Administrator Enterprise Support Engineering Celera Genomics [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like
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This happens once every 3.2 days. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Joel Musheno Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Wasn't there a big discussion about CA software culminating in that it sucked a few days back? -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I'll bite. I saw a CA commercial on TV, it was advertising a new Backup software for them (forgot the name). If one product doesn't always work? sell another? to help out. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Been around for a few years. This list is for a number of people personal therapy. While Ripping on the guy that says Bricks with archserv are the only way to go is super entertaining. Good point. Never mind. Bring on someone to rip up. Going back to my movie now. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop
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echo -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Wasn't there a big discussion about CA software culminating in that it sucked a few days back? -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I'll bite. I saw a CA commercial on TV, it was advertising a new Backup software for them (forgot the name). If one product doesn't always work? sell another? to help out. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Been around for a few years. This list is for a number of people personal therapy. While Ripping on the guy that says Bricks with archserv are the only way to go is super entertaining. Good point. Never mind. Bring on someone to rip up. Going back to my movie now. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002
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M taking a good s**t -Original Message- From: Bowles, John L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Once again...I love it when people start getting pissy. This is some good $hit! ___ John Bowles Exchange Administrator Enterprise Support Engineering Celera Genomics [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I
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Well, I guess thats what I get for beating the usual smartasses to the punch -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations echo -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Wasn't there a big discussion about CA software culminating in that it sucked a few days back? -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I'll bite. I saw a CA commercial on TV, it was advertising a new Backup software for them (forgot the name). If one product doesn't always work? sell another? to help out. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Been around for a few years. This list is for a number of people personal therapy. While Ripping on the guy that says Bricks with archserv are the only way to go is super entertaining. Good point. Never mind. Bring on someone to rip up. Going back to my movie now. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hunter, Lori Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange
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But not as good :) ___ John Bowles Exchange Administrator Enterprise Support Engineering Celera Genomics [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations M taking a good s**t -Original Message- From: Bowles, John L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Once again...I love it when people start getting pissy. This is some good $hit! ___ John Bowles Exchange Administrator Enterprise Support Engineering Celera Genomics [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed
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Sometimes taking a good one is just as good as sex. ___ John Bowles Exchange Administrator Enterprise Support Engineering Celera Genomics [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations M taking a good s**t -Original Message- From: Bowles, John L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Once again...I love it when people start getting pissy. This is some good $hit! ___ John Bowles Exchange Administrator Enterprise Support Engineering Celera Genomics [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list
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I can't wait to see the responses to this one! -Original Message- From: Bowles, John L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Sometimes taking a good one is just as good as sex. ___ John Bowles Exchange Administrator Enterprise Support Engineering Celera Genomics [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations M taking a good s**t -Original Message- From: Bowles, John L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations Once again...I love it when people start getting pissy. This is some good $hit! ___ John Bowles Exchange Administrator Enterprise Support Engineering Celera Genomics [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys
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Milton is a man after my own heart... Although, being a sarcastic smartass is something I have personally mastered. ;o) D -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: [idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations LOL! Clearly you haven't been here as long as those of us who are now thoroughly jaded. Why do you think we revel in being sarcastic smartasses?!? At least it's a skill we can hone while typing out the same answers over and over again. -Original Message- From: Milton R Dogg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:[idea] Antivirus Suite recommendations I think once a week we need to post a list of links to the faq that answer: AV, Backup, moving a server, upgrading, and why not to run eseutil. Then we could have more time to answer real questions that don't get asked 3 times a day. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24
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Maybe, but these are products which absolutely require maintenance. A month-old pattern file is worthless--you're paying for currency. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations It's the software equivalent of planned obsolescence. *sigh* -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations You're not buying the product. You get a term license for its use. Same with Antigen. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed at under $8000. This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however, what is Trend's licensing like? NAI wants you to re-license every two years. How about Trend? Is it similar? Maybe I'll get lucky and they only want you to buy it ONCE? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations ...and they do have the funniest radio ads. I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case. -Peter -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations So far CDW has been pretty good to me. I've usually received product from them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them. Again, not necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service are still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them. -Original Message- From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I am searching for on a moments notice. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Most of the time, yes. The quotes I got for NAI's suite were supposedly at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop. That's far too much for us to be paying. I've been told that using one set of products on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product may catch things that anothr does not. That seems like a sound idea. So, maybe my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't freak out, which they so often do with anything new). BTW, where did you find that cost estimate? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations I found 150 Users, $4500 Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations 100 users is about 3300 list. Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and then distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite of products. Every one of them is awesome. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus definitions and engine upgrades? Is the cost reasonable? Unfortunately, Ohio libraries (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions
