RE: FW: Tivoli
You might want to look at the archives before making a statement like that. This is a dead horse. Anyone that has been working with Exchange for any length of time knows the BLB sucks and provides no value to an organization. -Original Message- From: Derrick Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: FW: Tivoli I wouldn't speak in such ABSOLUTE terms. Mailbox level backups as your primary backup is not prudent, but it may be worth a companies time and other resources to do mailbox level backups in addition to daily full backups to better serve their customers. However, I've become accustom to restoring mailboxes the Tivoli way (full IS restore) because of the speed of the restore. > Brick level backups are generally a "bad" idea. > > > Michael Semiglia > > > > -Original Message- > From: Derrick Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:23 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Re: Tivoli > > > We switched from BackupExec to TSM. For us, it took awhile to get it setup > properly because it was completely new to us, and the documentation Sucks. > You will quickly get tired of "See System Administrator" as the books > solution to most problems. But, it has its pros and cons like everything > else: > > Pros: > -Faster backup/restore than BackupExec (We use disk pools and migrate to IBM > MagStar 3590 tape library) -TDP 2.2 GUI is pretty simple. -The TSM database > makes it easy to do Point-in-Time restores and eliminates the need for doing > individual catalogs or inventories of tapes. > > Cons: > -We have had problems restoring Exchange after data has been migrated from > disk pool to tape pool. -Documentation sucks -No mailbox level backup > (compared to Backup Exec). Have to restore to test/alternate server and > export mailbox, though process is much faster than a full restore w/ > BackupExec. > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FW: Tivoli
OK... I'll speak in "ABSOLUTE" terms... BLB's SUCK AND ARE UNNECESSARY If you know how to configure your server properly, they are USELESS!!! -Original Message- From: Derrick Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 12:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: FW: Tivoli I wouldn't speak in such ABSOLUTE terms. Mailbox level backups as your primary backup is not prudent, but it may be worth a companies time and other resources to do mailbox level backups in addition to daily full backups to better serve their customers. However, I've become accustom to restoring mailboxes the Tivoli way (full IS restore) because of the speed of the restore. > Brick level backups are generally a "bad" idea. > > > Michael Semiglia > > > > -Original Message- > From: Derrick Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:23 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Re: Tivoli > > > We switched from BackupExec to TSM. For us, it took awhile to get it > setup properly because it was completely new to us, and the > documentation Sucks. You will quickly get tired of "See System > Administrator" as the books solution to most problems. But, it has its > pros and cons like everything > else: > > Pros: > -Faster backup/restore than BackupExec (We use disk pools and migrate > to IBM MagStar 3590 tape library) -TDP 2.2 GUI is pretty simple. -The > TSM database makes it easy to do Point-in-Time restores and eliminates > the need for doing individual catalogs or inventories of tapes. > > Cons: > -We have had problems restoring Exchange after data has been migrated > from disk pool to tape pool. -Documentation sucks -No mailbox level > backup (compared to Backup Exec). Have to restore to test/alternate > server and export mailbox, though process is much faster than a full > restore w/ BackupExec. > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FW: Tivoli
I wouldn't speak in such ABSOLUTE terms. Mailbox level backups as your primary backup is not prudent, but it may be worth a companies time and other resources to do mailbox level backups in addition to daily full backups to better serve their customers. However, I've become accustom to restoring mailboxes the Tivoli way (full IS restore) because of the speed of the restore. > Brick level backups are generally a "bad" idea. > > > Michael Semiglia > > > > -Original Message- > From: Derrick Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:23 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Re: Tivoli > > > We switched from BackupExec to TSM. For us, it took awhile to get it setup > properly because it was completely new to us, and the documentation Sucks. > You will quickly get tired of "See System Administrator" as the books > solution to most problems. But, it has its pros and cons like everything > else: > > Pros: > -Faster backup/restore than BackupExec (We use disk pools and migrate to IBM > MagStar 3590 tape library) -TDP 2.2 GUI is pretty simple. -The TSM database > makes it easy to do Point-in-Time restores and eliminates the need for doing > individual catalogs or inventories of tapes. > > Cons: > -We have had problems restoring Exchange after data has been migrated from > disk pool to tape pool. -Documentation sucks -No mailbox level backup > (compared to Backup Exec). Have to restore to test/alternate server and > export mailbox, though process is much faster than a full restore w/ > BackupExec. > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: Tivoli
We were using the IBM ADSMConnect Agent for Microsoft Exchange Server Version 1 Release 1 Level 0.0B. Had problems keeping server up for more than 1 day. We were able to do mailbox restores as long as we did them within 24 hours. Michael Semiglia -Original Message- From: Ramesh Viswanathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Tivoli TDP v2.2 does support Exchange 2000. Please take a look at: http://www.tivoli.com/support/storage_mgr/tdp_ms.html for more information. Regarding the TDP product itself, there were some issues in the 1.0 and 1.1 release of the product last year and were fixed with the release 1.1.1 in January of 2000. We have been using it to backup our Exchange Server for the last 8 months and have performed multiple restores without any problem (mailbox recovery etc.). In my opinion, this is a solid product that integrates well with Tivoli's Enterprise Backup solution. my $0.02 Ramesh _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: Tivoli
Brick level backups are generally a "bad" idea. Michael Semiglia -Original Message- From: Derrick Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Tivoli We switched from BackupExec to TSM. For us, it took awhile to get it setup properly because it was completely new to us, and the documentation Sucks. You will quickly get tired of "See System Administrator" as the books solution to most problems. But, it has its pros and cons like everything else: Pros: -Faster backup/restore than BackupExec (We use disk pools and migrate to IBM MagStar 3590 tape library) -TDP 2.2 GUI is pretty simple. -The TSM database makes it easy to do Point-in-Time restores and eliminates the need for doing individual catalogs or inventories of tapes. Cons: -We have had problems restoring Exchange after data has been migrated from disk pool to tape pool. -Documentation sucks -No mailbox level backup (compared to Backup Exec). Have to restore to test/alternate server and export mailbox, though process is much faster than a full restore w/ BackupExec. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: Tivoli
Hi, We use TSM/TDP here and it works pretty good now. The great advantage is that you have centralized backup. We were however having a problem with an earlier client. It would restore the database, and it would stay up long enough to pull off a mailbox or two, then become unresponsive. We had to update to the new version of TDP for Exchange to get it to work. I was disappointed with the response we got from Tivoli on the issue. Just make sure to do some rigorous restore testing prior to implementing in production. Michael Semiglia -Original Message- From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Tivoli I'm just going off what the TSM engineer and sales person told me. -Original Message- From: Ramesh Viswanathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Tivoli I hope we are taking about Tivoli Storage Manager (TSM) product. We have been using TSM's Data Protection for Microsoft Exchange product for backing up our Exchange Server for quite sometime now. This is NOT a third party product and is under active development by Tivoli. I would recommend that you search the TSM mailing list archives at: http://www.adsm.org to get a better feedback on this product. We have not had any problems with it and it integrates well with the rest of the TSM product. You can also take a look at the documentation at: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/pubs/pdfs/redbooks/sg246147.pdf Ramesh -Original Message- From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 4:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Tivoli I don't have any real good experiences with Tivoli but I went to a detailed presentation. It seemed pricey, and they told me that the actual product in Tivoli that backed up the Exchange stuff was 3rd party software. That really bugged me for some reason, why would I buy a backup solution for Exchange when the Exchange portion wasn't even written by that company. We also looked at CommVault and Net Backup, we went with CommVault. But you never know, it may be a great product. I don't think they had message level granulation either, but I could be wrong. e -Original Message- From: Osborn, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Tivoli Our shop is about to start implementing Tivoli for backing up our file servers and we (the Exchange group) have been asked if we want to go along, as well. We are currently on Argserve 6.5 SP2, so it seems like a good plan. They/we did look at Veritas, but it was too pricey. Tivoli is looking good from our testing, but we were wondering what experiences other shops have had (are having) with Tivoli backup. Thanks. Joel K. Osborn Information Systems Technical Specialist Wisconsin Department of Transportation [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
