RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question)
use Outlook as it's intended - as an exchange client, not imap or pop3. then you get all the collaborative features of exchange (scheduling, public folders, custom forms etc etc). without this you're not really justifying the outlay for exchange. give the laptop users offline folders and set up OWA for when users go to other computers. don't bother with roaming profiles, major headache imo. get a good exchange book and read up - pay particular attention to disaster recovery. dan. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 January 2002 16:30 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Hello, Our present scenario is the following: Corporate users, that have a PC on their desk. These users, *may* travel to another location in which they will use a PC sitting on someone else's desk. And about half of these employees will have a laptop - in which they work from home, and travel on the road. Either way, they need to have access to all new mail that comes in, in addition to all their old mail, so they can always have the ability to refer to any old messages. In all of these cases, they need access to their e-mail. Before we installed our Exchange Server, we were using POP3 access exclusively and as we all know, POP3 clients typically pull their mail from the server, when retrieving their messages. Yes, you CAN set things up to leave their mail on the server, but things get funny once in a while, and their mail clients lose track of what messages they have already retrieved from the server, versus which ones they already have on their hard drive. (so sometimes, they have like a 1,000 new messages, when in reality they only have a few new ones) I am sick of dealing with that problem - because it happens way too often. Also, some people accidentally leave their machines on when they go home at night. All just to go home and find out that they have no new messages - because their office PC steals all their e-mail. We just migrated our users from Ipswitch's IMail server, to our new Exchange Box - and the above reasons are why we decided to do this. I am very impressed with Exchange Server - although it is quite complex, I believe it's the answer to all our problems. NOW this is where I need your help. I was thinking about doing the following: Get rid of POP3 altogether, and use IMAP from now on. This way, the laptop users can still take all their mail with them when they travel and still have their old mail they can refer to if they are unable to get online to connect to the server. I believe IMAP allows you to synchronize your local mail with the mail on the server correct? Also, for corporate users with their own laptop OR those that only have access to a public terminal - I was thinking that they could use OWA to handle all of their e-mail issues. And the fact that all mail remains on the server at all times, no matter which method the employees use to get their e-mail, the mail will always be there for them. So bottom line is - IMAP and OWA correct? Are there any other suggestions that anybody can offer to help tackle this problem? Thanks in advance - and sorry for the long post, Mike _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question)
use A vpn solution to connect to the exchange server -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Hello, Our present scenario is the following: Corporate users, that have a PC on their desk. These users, *may* travel to another location in which they will use a PC sitting on someone else's desk. And about half of these employees will have a laptop - in which they work from home, and travel on the road. Either way, they need to have access to all new mail that comes in, in addition to all their old mail, so they can always have the ability to refer to any old messages. In all of these cases, they need access to their e-mail. Before we installed our Exchange Server, we were using POP3 access exclusively and as we all know, POP3 clients typically pull their mail from the server, when retrieving their messages. Yes, you CAN set things up to leave their mail on the server, but things get funny once in a while, and their mail clients lose track of what messages they have already retrieved from the server, versus which ones they already have on their hard drive. (so sometimes, they have like a 1,000 new messages, when in reality they only have a few new ones) I am sick of dealing with that problem - because it happens way too often. Also, some people accidentally leave their machines on when they go home at night. All just to go home and find out that they have no new messages - because their office PC steals all their e-mail. We just migrated our users from Ipswitch's IMail server, to our new Exchange Box - and the above reasons are why we decided to do this. I am very impressed with Exchange Server - although it is quite complex, I believe it's the answer to all our problems. NOW this is where I need your help. I was thinking about doing the following: Get rid of POP3 altogether, and use IMAP from now on. This way, the laptop users can still take all their mail with them when they travel and still have their old mail they can refer to if they are unable to get online to connect to the server. I believe IMAP allows you to synchronize your local mail with the mail on the server correct? Also, for corporate users with their own laptop OR those that only have access to a public terminal - I was thinking that they could use OWA to handle all of their e-mail issues. And the fact that all mail remains on the server at all times, no matter which method the employees use to get their e-mail, the mail will always be there for them. So bottom line is - IMAP and OWA correct? Are there any other suggestions that anybody can offer to help tackle this problem? Thanks in advance - and sorry for the long post, Mike _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question)
Get rid of POP IMAP could work OWA is great Best: Get a VPN and use the regular Exch/OL combo. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Hello, Our present scenario is the following: Corporate users, that have a PC on their desk. These users, *may* travel to another location in which they will use a PC sitting on someone else's desk. And about half of these employees will have a laptop - in which they work from home, and travel on the road. Either way, they need to have access to all new mail that comes in, in addition to all their old mail, so they can always have the ability to refer to any old messages. In all of these cases, they need access to their e-mail. Before we installed our Exchange Server, we were using POP3 access exclusively and as we all know, POP3 clients typically pull their mail from the server, when retrieving their messages. Yes, you CAN set things up to leave their mail on the server, but things get funny once in a while, and their mail clients lose track of what messages they have already retrieved from the server, versus which ones they already have on their hard drive. (so sometimes, they have like a 1,000 new messages, when in reality they only have a few new ones) I am sick of dealing with that problem - because it happens way too often. Also, some people accidentally leave their machines on when they go home at night. All just to go home and find out that they have no new messages - because their office PC steals all their e-mail. We just migrated our users from Ipswitch's IMail server, to our new Exchange Box - and the above reasons are why we decided to do this. I am very impressed with Exchange Server - although it is quite complex, I believe it's the answer to all our problems. NOW this is where I need your help. I was thinking about doing the following: Get rid of POP3 altogether, and use IMAP from now on. This way, the laptop users can still take all their mail with them when they travel and still have their old mail they can refer to if they are unable to get online to connect to the server. I believe IMAP allows you to synchronize your local mail with the mail on the server correct? Also, for corporate users with their own laptop OR those that only have access to a public terminal - I was thinking that they could use OWA to handle all of their e-mail issues. And the fact that all mail remains on the server at all times, no matter which method the employees use to get their e-mail, the mail will always be there for them. So bottom line is - IMAP and OWA correct? Are there any other suggestions that anybody can offer to help tackle this problem? Thanks in advance - and sorry for the long post, Mike _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question)
Okay - I like the VPN route - and use Outlook 2000 as it was intended. BUT, what kind of Network Overhead is involved - when connecting remotely over a potentially slow connection? Will it take forever for folders to come up, especially if they are unusually large? Also, if the client cannot connect for some reason (which has been happening A LOT lately - due to massive service problems), what is the best solution to still have your old e-mail inside of Outlook? I was thinking this would be where IMAP really comes into it's own - because you can still keep your mail local, and on the server too - and when the connection comes back up, you just resynchronize everything - and you are good to go. Thanks for your continued responses, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Get rid of POP IMAP could work OWA is great Best: Get a VPN and use the regular Exch/OL combo. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Hello, Our present scenario is the following: Corporate users, that have a PC on their desk. These users, *may* travel to another location in which they will use a PC sitting on someone else's desk. And about half of these employees will have a laptop - in which they work from home, and travel on the road. Either way, they need to have access to all new mail that comes in, in addition to all their old mail, so they can always have the ability to refer to any old messages. In all of these cases, they need access to their e-mail. Before we installed our Exchange Server, we were using POP3 access exclusively and as we all know, POP3 clients typically pull their mail from the server, when retrieving their messages. Yes, you CAN set things up to leave their mail on the server, but things get funny once in a while, and their mail clients lose track of what messages they have already retrieved from the server, versus which ones they already have on their hard drive. (so sometimes, they have like a 1,000 new messages, when in reality they only have a few new ones) I am sick of dealing with that problem - because it happens way too often. Also, some people accidentally leave their machines on when they go home at night. All just to go home and find out that they have no new messages - because their office PC steals all their e-mail. We just migrated our users from Ipswitch's IMail server, to our new Exchange Box - and the above reasons are why we decided to do this. I am very impressed with Exchange Server - although it is quite complex, I believe it's the answer to all our problems. NOW this is where I need your help. I was thinking about doing the following: Get rid of POP3 altogether, and use IMAP from now on. This way, the laptop users can still take all their mail with them when they travel and still have their old mail they can refer to if they are unable to get online to connect to the server. I believe IMAP allows you to synchronize your local mail with the mail on the server correct? Also, for corporate users with their own laptop OR those that only have access to a public terminal - I was thinking that they could use OWA to handle all of their e-mail issues. And the fact that all mail remains on the server at all times, no matter which method the employees use to get their e-mail, the mail will always be there for them. So bottom line is - IMAP and OWA correct? Are there any other suggestions that anybody can offer to help tackle this problem? Thanks in advance - and sorry for the long post, Mike _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question)
We have 60+ salesmen and engineers who connect via 56K modem dial up while on the road to access their email with Outlook/Exchange through a VPN... Everything works well, though a bit slowly at times, but not so slow as to be unusable or unbearable. You can do away with IMAP completely if you like... Outlook allows you to create an Offline Folder file, which is a local copy of the information stored on the Exchange server... With the offline folder file, users can continue to work with Outlook and maintain full functionality whether they're connected or not and will automatically synchronize (send, receive mail, update calendar, contacts, tasks, etc) whenever they are connected... Look in the help files for Outlook for help setting up Offline Access... There's also plenty of info at Microsoft and other sites that explain how to set this up and use it (it's pretty simple) Joe Pochedley I like deadlines, cartoonist Scott Adams once said. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Okay - I like the VPN route - and use Outlook 2000 as it was intended. BUT, what kind of Network Overhead is involved - when connecting remotely over a potentially slow connection? Will it take forever for folders to come up, especially if they are unusually large? Also, if the client cannot connect for some reason (which has been happening A LOT lately - due to massive service problems), what is the best solution to still have your old e-mail inside of Outlook? I was thinking this would be where IMAP really comes into it's own - because you can still keep your mail local, and on the server too - and when the connection comes back up, you just resynchronize everything - and you are good to go. Thanks for your continued responses, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Get rid of POP IMAP could work OWA is great Best: Get a VPN and use the regular Exch/OL combo. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Hello, Our present scenario is the following: Corporate users, that have a PC on their desk. These users, *may* travel to another location in which they will use a PC sitting on someone else's desk. And about half of these employees will have a laptop - in which they work from home, and travel on the road. Either way, they need to have access to all new mail that comes in, in addition to all their old mail, so they can always have the ability to refer to any old messages. In all of these cases, they need access to their e-mail. Before we installed our Exchange Server, we were using POP3 access exclusively and as we all know, POP3 clients typically pull their mail from the server, when retrieving their messages. Yes, you CAN set things up to leave their mail on the server, but things get funny once in a while, and their mail clients lose track of what messages they have already retrieved from the server, versus which ones they already have on their hard drive. (so sometimes, they have like a 1,000 new messages, when in reality they only have a few new ones) I am sick of dealing with that problem - because it happens way too often. Also, some people accidentally leave their machines on when they go home at night. All just to go home and find out that they have no new messages - because their office PC steals all their e-mail. We just migrated our users from Ipswitch's IMail server, to our new Exchange Box - and the above reasons are why we decided to do this. I am very impressed with Exchange Server - although it is quite complex, I believe it's the answer to all our problems. NOW this is where I need your help. I was thinking about doing the following: Get rid of POP3 altogether, and use IMAP from now on. This way, the laptop users can still take all their mail with them when they travel and still have their old mail they can refer to if they are unable to get online to connect to the server. I believe IMAP allows you to synchronize your local mail with the mail on the server correct? Also, for corporate users with their own laptop OR those that only have access to a public terminal - I was thinking that they could use OWA to handle all of their e-mail issues. And the fact that all mail remains on the server at all times, no matter which method the employees use to get their e-mail, the mail will always be there for them. So bottom line is - IMAP and OWA correct? Are there any other suggestions
RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question)
AWESOME! - That's precisely the answer I was looking for. This list is awesome :) Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) We have 60+ salesmen and engineers who connect via 56K modem dial up while on the road to access their email with Outlook/Exchange through a VPN... Everything works well, though a bit slowly at times, but not so slow as to be unusable or unbearable. You can do away with IMAP completely if you like... Outlook allows you to create an Offline Folder file, which is a local copy of the information stored on the Exchange server... With the offline folder file, users can continue to work with Outlook and maintain full functionality whether they're connected or not and will automatically synchronize (send, receive mail, update calendar, contacts, tasks, etc) whenever they are connected... Look in the help files for Outlook for help setting up Offline Access... There's also plenty of info at Microsoft and other sites that explain how to set this up and use it (it's pretty simple) Joe Pochedley I like deadlines, cartoonist Scott Adams once said. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Okay - I like the VPN route - and use Outlook 2000 as it was intended. BUT, what kind of Network Overhead is involved - when connecting remotely over a potentially slow connection? Will it take forever for folders to come up, especially if they are unusually large? Also, if the client cannot connect for some reason (which has been happening A LOT lately - due to massive service problems), what is the best solution to still have your old e-mail inside of Outlook? I was thinking this would be where IMAP really comes into it's own - because you can still keep your mail local, and on the server too - and when the connection comes back up, you just resynchronize everything - and you are good to go. Thanks for your continued responses, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Get rid of POP IMAP could work OWA is great Best: Get a VPN and use the regular Exch/OL combo. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Hello, Our present scenario is the following: Corporate users, that have a PC on their desk. These users, *may* travel to another location in which they will use a PC sitting on someone else's desk. And about half of these employees will have a laptop - in which they work from home, and travel on the road. Either way, they need to have access to all new mail that comes in, in addition to all their old mail, so they can always have the ability to refer to any old messages. In all of these cases, they need access to their e-mail. Before we installed our Exchange Server, we were using POP3 access exclusively and as we all know, POP3 clients typically pull their mail from the server, when retrieving their messages. Yes, you CAN set things up to leave their mail on the server, but things get funny once in a while, and their mail clients lose track of what messages they have already retrieved from the server, versus which ones they already have on their hard drive. (so sometimes, they have like a 1,000 new messages, when in reality they only have a few new ones) I am sick of dealing with that problem - because it happens way too often. Also, some people accidentally leave their machines on when they go home at night. All just to go home and find out that they have no new messages - because their office PC steals all their e-mail. We just migrated our users from Ipswitch's IMail server, to our new Exchange Box - and the above reasons are why we decided to do this. I am very impressed with Exchange Server - although it is quite complex, I believe it's the answer to all our problems. NOW this is where I need your help. I was thinking about doing the following: Get rid of POP3 altogether, and use IMAP from now on. This way, the laptop users can still take all their mail with them when they travel and still have their old mail they can refer to if they are unable to get online to connect to the server. I believe IMAP allows you to synchronize your local mail with the mail on the server correct? Also, for corporate users with their own laptop OR those that only have access to a public terminal - I
RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question)
Greetings All, If this is getting OT, I am sure you will let me know real fast. Regarding this VPN stuff - I understand completely, the concepts behind it - now I need to implement it. This doesn't necessarily need to be hardware related does it? Can't I simply install some software on the Clients and the Server that allows them to login to the server, and begin an encrypted session? This is getting a little beyond my expertise. What kind of products are you all using to accomplish this complicated task? I remember in the past when PPTP came out from Microsoft, but have not heard much about it lately. Thanks again everyone, you are all lifesavers! Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Anderson Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) AWESOME! - That's precisely the answer I was looking for. This list is awesome :) Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) We have 60+ salesmen and engineers who connect via 56K modem dial up while on the road to access their email with Outlook/Exchange through a VPN... Everything works well, though a bit slowly at times, but not so slow as to be unusable or unbearable. You can do away with IMAP completely if you like... Outlook allows you to create an Offline Folder file, which is a local copy of the information stored on the Exchange server... With the offline folder file, users can continue to work with Outlook and maintain full functionality whether they're connected or not and will automatically synchronize (send, receive mail, update calendar, contacts, tasks, etc) whenever they are connected... Look in the help files for Outlook for help setting up Offline Access... There's also plenty of info at Microsoft and other sites that explain how to set this up and use it (it's pretty simple) Joe Pochedley I like deadlines, cartoonist Scott Adams once said. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Okay - I like the VPN route - and use Outlook 2000 as it was intended. BUT, what kind of Network Overhead is involved - when connecting remotely over a potentially slow connection? Will it take forever for folders to come up, especially if they are unusually large? Also, if the client cannot connect for some reason (which has been happening A LOT lately - due to massive service problems), what is the best solution to still have your old e-mail inside of Outlook? I was thinking this would be where IMAP really comes into it's own - because you can still keep your mail local, and on the server too - and when the connection comes back up, you just resynchronize everything - and you are good to go. Thanks for your continued responses, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Get rid of POP IMAP could work OWA is great Best: Get a VPN and use the regular Exch/OL combo. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Hello, Our present scenario is the following: Corporate users, that have a PC on their desk. These users, *may* travel to another location in which they will use a PC sitting on someone else's desk. And about half of these employees will have a laptop - in which they work from home, and travel on the road. Either way, they need to have access to all new mail that comes in, in addition to all their old mail, so they can always have the ability to refer to any old messages. In all of these cases, they need access to their e-mail. Before we installed our Exchange Server, we were using POP3 access exclusively and as we all know, POP3 clients typically pull their mail from the server, when retrieving their messages. Yes, you CAN set things up to leave their mail on the server, but things get funny once in a while, and their mail clients lose track of what messages they have already retrieved from the server, versus which ones they already have on their hard drive. (so sometimes, they have like a 1,000 new messages, when in reality they only have a few new ones) I am sick of dealing with that problem - because it happens way too often. Also, some people accidentally leave their machines on when they go home
RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question)
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/3000.htm#xtocid0 This works for us. Looks good on the resume too. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Greetings All, If this is getting OT, I am sure you will let me know real fast. Regarding this VPN stuff - I understand completely, the concepts behind it - now I need to implement it. This doesn't necessarily need to be hardware related does it? Can't I simply install some software on the Clients and the Server that allows them to login to the server, and begin an encrypted session? This is getting a little beyond my expertise. What kind of products are you all using to accomplish this complicated task? I remember in the past when PPTP came out from Microsoft, but have not heard much about it lately. Thanks again everyone, you are all lifesavers! Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Anderson Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) AWESOME! - That's precisely the answer I was looking for. This list is awesome :) Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) We have 60+ salesmen and engineers who connect via 56K modem dial up while on the road to access their email with Outlook/Exchange through a VPN... Everything works well, though a bit slowly at times, but not so slow as to be unusable or unbearable. You can do away with IMAP completely if you like... Outlook allows you to create an Offline Folder file, which is a local copy of the information stored on the Exchange server... With the offline folder file, users can continue to work with Outlook and maintain full functionality whether they're connected or not and will automatically synchronize (send, receive mail, update calendar, contacts, tasks, etc) whenever they are connected... Look in the help files for Outlook for help setting up Offline Access... There's also plenty of info at Microsoft and other sites that explain how to set this up and use it (it's pretty simple) Joe Pochedley I like deadlines, cartoonist Scott Adams once said. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Okay - I like the VPN route - and use Outlook 2000 as it was intended. BUT, what kind of Network Overhead is involved - when connecting remotely over a potentially slow connection? Will it take forever for folders to come up, especially if they are unusually large? Also, if the client cannot connect for some reason (which has been happening A LOT lately - due to massive service problems), what is the best solution to still have your old e-mail inside of Outlook? I was thinking this would be where IMAP really comes into it's own - because you can still keep your mail local, and on the server too - and when the connection comes back up, you just resynchronize everything - and you are good to go. Thanks for your continued responses, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Get rid of POP IMAP could work OWA is great Best: Get a VPN and use the regular Exch/OL combo. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Hello, Our present scenario is the following: Corporate users, that have a PC on their desk. These users, *may* travel to another location in which they will use a PC sitting on someone else's desk. And about half of these employees will have a laptop - in which they work from home, and travel on the road. Either way, they need to have access to all new mail that comes in, in addition to all their old mail, so they can always have the ability to refer to any old messages. In all of these cases, they need access to their e-mail. Before we installed our Exchange Server, we were using POP3 access exclusively and as we all know, POP3 clients typically pull their mail from the server, when retrieving their messages. Yes, you CAN set things up to leave their mail on the server, but things get funny once in a while, and their mail clients lose track of what messages they have already retrieved
RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question)
That's what I have too!! -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/3000.htm#xtocid0 This works for us. Looks good on the resume too. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Greetings All, If this is getting OT, I am sure you will let me know real fast. Regarding this VPN stuff - I understand completely, the concepts behind it - now I need to implement it. This doesn't necessarily need to be hardware related does it? Can't I simply install some software on the Clients and the Server that allows them to login to the server, and begin an encrypted session? This is getting a little beyond my expertise. What kind of products are you all using to accomplish this complicated task? I remember in the past when PPTP came out from Microsoft, but have not heard much about it lately. Thanks again everyone, you are all lifesavers! Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Anderson Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) AWESOME! - That's precisely the answer I was looking for. This list is awesome :) Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) We have 60+ salesmen and engineers who connect via 56K modem dial up while on the road to access their email with Outlook/Exchange through a VPN... Everything works well, though a bit slowly at times, but not so slow as to be unusable or unbearable. You can do away with IMAP completely if you like... Outlook allows you to create an Offline Folder file, which is a local copy of the information stored on the Exchange server... With the offline folder file, users can continue to work with Outlook and maintain full functionality whether they're connected or not and will automatically synchronize (send, receive mail, update calendar, contacts, tasks, etc) whenever they are connected... Look in the help files for Outlook for help setting up Offline Access... There's also plenty of info at Microsoft and other sites that explain how to set this up and use it (it's pretty simple) Joe Pochedley I like deadlines, cartoonist Scott Adams once said. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Okay - I like the VPN route - and use Outlook 2000 as it was intended. BUT, what kind of Network Overhead is involved - when connecting remotely over a potentially slow connection? Will it take forever for folders to come up, especially if they are unusually large? Also, if the client cannot connect for some reason (which has been happening A LOT lately - due to massive service problems), what is the best solution to still have your old e-mail inside of Outlook? I was thinking this would be where IMAP really comes into it's own - because you can still keep your mail local, and on the server too - and when the connection comes back up, you just resynchronize everything - and you are good to go. Thanks for your continued responses, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Get rid of POP IMAP could work OWA is great Best: Get a VPN and use the regular Exch/OL combo. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Hello, Our present scenario is the following: Corporate users, that have a PC on their desk. These users, *may* travel to another location in which they will use a PC sitting on someone else's desk. And about half of these employees will have a laptop - in which they work from home, and travel on the road. Either way, they need to have access to all new mail that comes in, in addition to all their old mail, so they can always have the ability to refer to any old messages. In all of these cases, they need access to their e-mail. Before we installed our Exchange Server, we were using POP3 access exclusively and as we all know, POP3 clients typically pull their mail
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It was meant to be Martin. Don't fight it. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) That's what I have too!! -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/3000.htm#xtocid0 This works for us. Looks good on the resume too. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Greetings All, If this is getting OT, I am sure you will let me know real fast. Regarding this VPN stuff - I understand completely, the concepts behind it - now I need to implement it. This doesn't necessarily need to be hardware related does it? Can't I simply install some software on the Clients and the Server that allows them to login to the server, and begin an encrypted session? This is getting a little beyond my expertise. What kind of products are you all using to accomplish this complicated task? I remember in the past when PPTP came out from Microsoft, but have not heard much about it lately. Thanks again everyone, you are all lifesavers! Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Anderson Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) AWESOME! - That's precisely the answer I was looking for. This list is awesome :) Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) We have 60+ salesmen and engineers who connect via 56K modem dial up while on the road to access their email with Outlook/Exchange through a VPN... Everything works well, though a bit slowly at times, but not so slow as to be unusable or unbearable. You can do away with IMAP completely if you like... Outlook allows you to create an Offline Folder file, which is a local copy of the information stored on the Exchange server... With the offline folder file, users can continue to work with Outlook and maintain full functionality whether they're connected or not and will automatically synchronize (send, receive mail, update calendar, contacts, tasks, etc) whenever they are connected... Look in the help files for Outlook for help setting up Offline Access... There's also plenty of info at Microsoft and other sites that explain how to set this up and use it (it's pretty simple) Joe Pochedley I like deadlines, cartoonist Scott Adams once said. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Okay - I like the VPN route - and use Outlook 2000 as it was intended. BUT, what kind of Network Overhead is involved - when connecting remotely over a potentially slow connection? Will it take forever for folders to come up, especially if they are unusually large? Also, if the client cannot connect for some reason (which has been happening A LOT lately - due to massive service problems), what is the best solution to still have your old e-mail inside of Outlook? I was thinking this would be where IMAP really comes into it's own - because you can still keep your mail local, and on the server too - and when the connection comes back up, you just resynchronize everything - and you are good to go. Thanks for your continued responses, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Get rid of POP IMAP could work OWA is great Best: Get a VPN and use the regular Exch/OL combo. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Hello, Our present scenario is the following: Corporate users, that have a PC on their desk. These users, *may* travel to another location in which they will use a PC sitting on someone else's desk. And about half of these employees will have a laptop - in which they work from home, and travel on the road. Either way, they need to have access to all new mail that comes in, in addition to all their old mail, so
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Anybody? Even Richard Tener? -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) sureanybody can use appropriate technolgy that is reliable and works. It's the challange of two tin can's and a piece of string... cellular sound quality with virus protection, and low capital cost with high ROI -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 5:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/3000.htm#xtocid0 This works for us. Looks good on the resume too. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Greetings All, If this is getting OT, I am sure you will let me know real fast. Regarding this VPN stuff - I understand completely, the concepts behind it - now I need to implement it. This doesn't necessarily need to be hardware related does it? Can't I simply install some software on the Clients and the Server that allows them to login to the server, and begin an encrypted session? This is getting a little beyond my expertise. What kind of products are you all using to accomplish this complicated task? I remember in the past when PPTP came out from Microsoft, but have not heard much about it lately. Thanks again everyone, you are all lifesavers! Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Anderson Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) AWESOME! - That's precisely the answer I was looking for. This list is awesome :) Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) We have 60+ salesmen and engineers who connect via 56K modem dial up while on the road to access their email with Outlook/Exchange through a VPN... Everything works well, though a bit slowly at times, but not so slow as to be unusable or unbearable. You can do away with IMAP completely if you like... Outlook allows you to create an Offline Folder file, which is a local copy of the information stored on the Exchange server... With the offline folder file, users can continue to work with Outlook and maintain full functionality whether they're connected or not and will automatically synchronize (send, receive mail, update calendar, contacts, tasks, etc) whenever they are connected... Look in the help files for Outlook for help setting up Offline Access... There's also plenty of info at Microsoft and other sites that explain how to set this up and use it (it's pretty simple) Joe Pochedley I like deadlines, cartoonist Scott Adams once said. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Okay - I like the VPN route - and use Outlook 2000 as it was intended. BUT, what kind of Network Overhead is involved - when connecting remotely over a potentially slow connection? Will it take forever for folders to come up, especially if they are unusually large? Also, if the client cannot connect for some reason (which has been happening A LOT lately - due to massive service problems), what is the best solution to still have your old e-mail inside of Outlook? I was thinking this would be where IMAP really comes into it's own - because you can still keep your mail local, and on the server too - and when the connection comes back up, you just resynchronize everything - and you are good to go. Thanks for your continued responses, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Get rid of POP IMAP could work OWA is great Best: Get a VPN and use the regular Exch/OL combo. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Hello, Our present scenario is the following: Corporate users, that have a PC on their desk. These users, *may* travel to another location in which they will use a PC sitting on someone else's desk. And about half of these employees will have
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Hello, I am replying specifically to this post - when you say Firewall vendor, are you making the assumption that our firewall is a hardware based solution? I simply ask, because we are using Microsoft ISA Server for our solution - and was curious if there is an add-on for that product. I will check the website for more details - but would still like to know other people's opinions of doing it this way - and particularly with ISA Server. Thanks, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter Szabo Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Check with your firewall vendor if they have a vpn add-on. Most do. /Peter - Original Message - From: Michael Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Greetings All, If this is getting OT, I am sure you will let me know real fast. Regarding this VPN stuff - I understand completely, the concepts behind it - now I need to implement it. This doesn't necessarily need to be hardware related does it? Can't I simply install some software on the Clients and the Server that allows them to login to the server, and begin an encrypted session? This is getting a little beyond my expertise. What kind of products are you all using to accomplish this complicated task? I remember in the past when PPTP came out from Microsoft, but have not heard much about it lately. Thanks again everyone, you are all lifesavers! Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Anderson Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) AWESOME! - That's precisely the answer I was looking for. This list is awesome :) Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) We have 60+ salesmen and engineers who connect via 56K modem dial up while on the road to access their email with Outlook/Exchange through a VPN... Everything works well, though a bit slowly at times, but not so slow as to be unusable or unbearable. You can do away with IMAP completely if you like... Outlook allows you to create an Offline Folder file, which is a local copy of the information stored on the Exchange server... With the offline folder file, users can continue to work with Outlook and maintain full functionality whether they're connected or not and will automatically synchronize (send, receive mail, update calendar, contacts, tasks, etc) whenever they are connected... Look in the help files for Outlook for help setting up Offline Access... There's also plenty of info at Microsoft and other sites that explain how to set this up and use it (it's pretty simple) Joe Pochedley I like deadlines, cartoonist Scott Adams once said. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Okay - I like the VPN route - and use Outlook 2000 as it was intended. BUT, what kind of Network Overhead is involved - when connecting remotely over a potentially slow connection? Will it take forever for folders to come up, especially if they are unusually large? Also, if the client cannot connect for some reason (which has been happening A LOT lately - due to massive service problems), what is the best solution to still have your old e-mail inside of Outlook? I was thinking this would be where IMAP really comes into it's own - because you can still keep your mail local, and on the server too - and when the connection comes back up, you just resynchronize everything - and you are good to go. Thanks for your continued responses, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Get rid of POP IMAP could work OWA is great Best: Get a VPN and use the regular Exch/OL combo. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Hello, Our present scenario is the following: Corporate users, that have a PC on their desk. These users, *may* travel to another location in which
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Inline - Original Message - From: Michael Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 5:56 PM Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Hello, I am replying specifically to this post - when you say Firewall vendor, are you making the assumption that our firewall is a hardware based solution? No. It can be s/w. I simply ask, because we are using Microsoft ISA Server for our solution - and was curious if there is an add-on for that product. I don't know. In my opinion ISA is not a true f/w I will check the website for more details - but would still like to know other people's opinions of doing it this way - and particularly with ISA Server. I'm using http://www.intel.com/network/idc/products/vpn_gateway.htm and happy. Thanks, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter Szabo Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Check with your firewall vendor if they have a vpn add-on. Most do. /Peter - Original Message - From: Michael Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Greetings All, If this is getting OT, I am sure you will let me know real fast. Regarding this VPN stuff - I understand completely, the concepts behind it - now I need to implement it. This doesn't necessarily need to be hardware related does it? Can't I simply install some software on the Clients and the Server that allows them to login to the server, and begin an encrypted session? This is getting a little beyond my expertise. What kind of products are you all using to accomplish this complicated task? I remember in the past when PPTP came out from Microsoft, but have not heard much about it lately. Thanks again everyone, you are all lifesavers! Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Anderson Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) AWESOME! - That's precisely the answer I was looking for. This list is awesome :) Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) We have 60+ salesmen and engineers who connect via 56K modem dial up while on the road to access their email with Outlook/Exchange through a VPN... Everything works well, though a bit slowly at times, but not so slow as to be unusable or unbearable. You can do away with IMAP completely if you like... Outlook allows you to create an Offline Folder file, which is a local copy of the information stored on the Exchange server... With the offline folder file, users can continue to work with Outlook and maintain full functionality whether they're connected or not and will automatically synchronize (send, receive mail, update calendar, contacts, tasks, etc) whenever they are connected... Look in the help files for Outlook for help setting up Offline Access... There's also plenty of info at Microsoft and other sites that explain how to set this up and use it (it's pretty simple) Joe Pochedley I like deadlines, cartoonist Scott Adams once said. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Okay - I like the VPN route - and use Outlook 2000 as it was intended. BUT, what kind of Network Overhead is involved - when connecting remotely over a potentially slow connection? Will it take forever for folders to come up, especially if they are unusually large? Also, if the client cannot connect for some reason (which has been happening A LOT lately - due to massive service problems), what is the best solution to still have your old e-mail inside of Outlook? I was thinking this would be where IMAP really comes into it's own - because you can still keep your mail local, and on the server too - and when the connection comes back up, you just resynchronize everything - and you are good to go. Thanks for your continued responses, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from
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ISA server does support VPN, it has worked fine for us. but MS = Not very secure. I would not put it out on the Internet. Unless you watch the logs like a hawk! From: Michael Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:56:28 -0600 Hello, I am replying specifically to this post - when you say Firewall vendor, are you making the assumption that our firewall is a hardware based solution? I simply ask, because we are using Microsoft ISA Server for our solution - and was curious if there is an add-on for that product. I will check the website for more details - but would still like to know other people's opinions of doing it this way - and particularly with ISA Server. Thanks, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter Szabo Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Check with your firewall vendor if they have a vpn add-on. Most do. /Peter - Original Message - From: Michael Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Greetings All, If this is getting OT, I am sure you will let me know real fast. Regarding this VPN stuff - I understand completely, the concepts behind it - now I need to implement it. This doesn't necessarily need to be hardware related does it? Can't I simply install some software on the Clients and the Server that allows them to login to the server, and begin an encrypted session? This is getting a little beyond my expertise. What kind of products are you all using to accomplish this complicated task? I remember in the past when PPTP came out from Microsoft, but have not heard much about it lately. Thanks again everyone, you are all lifesavers! Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Anderson Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) AWESOME! - That's precisely the answer I was looking for. This list is awesome :) Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) We have 60+ salesmen and engineers who connect via 56K modem dial up while on the road to access their email with Outlook/Exchange through a VPN... Everything works well, though a bit slowly at times, but not so slow as to be unusable or unbearable. You can do away with IMAP completely if you like... Outlook allows you to create an Offline Folder file, which is a local copy of the information stored on the Exchange server... With the offline folder file, users can continue to work with Outlook and maintain full functionality whether they're connected or not and will automatically synchronize (send, receive mail, update calendar, contacts, tasks, etc) whenever they are connected... Look in the help files for Outlook for help setting up Offline Access... There's also plenty of info at Microsoft and other sites that explain how to set this up and use it (it's pretty simple) Joe Pochedley I like deadlines, cartoonist Scott Adams once said. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Okay - I like the VPN route - and use Outlook 2000 as it was intended. BUT, what kind of Network Overhead is involved - when connecting remotely over a potentially slow connection? Will it take forever for folders to come up, especially if they are unusually large? Also, if the client cannot connect for some reason (which has been happening A LOT lately - due to massive service problems), what is the best solution to still have your old e-mail inside of Outlook? I was thinking this would be where IMAP really comes into it's own - because you can still keep your mail local, and on the server too - and when the connection comes back up, you just resynchronize everything - and you are good to go. Thanks for your continued responses, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice
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i would choose an ICSA certified ipsec solution. http://www.trusecure.com/ I understand that Microsoft ISA can serve as a vpn terminator for external clients using l2tp/ipsec as well gateway to gateway implementations with other ISA servers. However, I've never used isa in this capacity. Various studies have shown that the appliance vpn products, especially Netscreen and the Cisco 3000 concentrators give better performance for vpn sessions. They do however, sacrifice some of the higher layer filter capabilities of the application/proxy firewall solutions such as checkpoint vpn1, or ISA/l2tp. THIS IS CHANGING. I've touched many of these and really like the performance and flexibility of the Netscreen family (www.netscreen.com). You won't go wrong with their products. good luck- byron In terms of the future I'd also go with a vendor whose pretty keen on what's happening in the ietf w/ IKE. again, confirm ICSA certification. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Greetings All, If this is getting OT, I am sure you will let me know real fast. Regarding this VPN stuff - I understand completely, the concepts behind it - now I need to implement it. This doesn't necessarily need to be hardware related does it? Can't I simply install some software on the Clients and the Server that allows them to login to the server, and begin an encrypted session? This is getting a little beyond my expertise. What kind of products are you all using to accomplish this complicated task? I remember in the past when PPTP came out from Microsoft, but have not heard much about it lately. Thanks again everyone, you are all lifesavers! Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Anderson Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) AWESOME! - That's precisely the answer I was looking for. This list is awesome :) Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) We have 60+ salesmen and engineers who connect via 56K modem dial up while on the road to access their email with Outlook/Exchange through a VPN... Everything works well, though a bit slowly at times, but not so slow as to be unusable or unbearable. You can do away with IMAP completely if you like... Outlook allows you to create an Offline Folder file, which is a local copy of the information stored on the Exchange server... With the offline folder file, users can continue to work with Outlook and maintain full functionality whether they're connected or not and will automatically synchronize (send, receive mail, update calendar, contacts, tasks, etc) whenever they are connected... Look in the help files for Outlook for help setting up Offline Access... There's also plenty of info at Microsoft and other sites that explain how to set this up and use it (it's pretty simple) Joe Pochedley I like deadlines, cartoonist Scott Adams once said. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Okay - I like the VPN route - and use Outlook 2000 as it was intended. BUT, what kind of Network Overhead is involved - when connecting remotely over a potentially slow connection? Will it take forever for folders to come up, especially if they are unusually large? Also, if the client cannot connect for some reason (which has been happening A LOT lately - due to massive service problems), what is the best solution to still have your old e-mail inside of Outlook? I was thinking this would be where IMAP really comes into it's own - because you can still keep your mail local, and on the server too - and when the connection comes back up, you just resynchronize everything - and you are good to go. Thanks for your continued responses, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Get rid of POP IMAP could work OWA is great Best: Get a VPN and use the regular Exch/OL combo. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Hello, Our present scenario is the following: Corporate users, that have
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Firewall can be software as well. We use checkpoint firewall software solution, with their VPN clients. Firewall is great, but our users have varying successes with secure remote/client. I wouldn't say our reliability is 99.999, but that is something we are working thru' at the moment. running proxy/isa as a firewall wouldn't allow me to sleep at night I'm afraid. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2002 11:56 a.m. To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Hello, I am replying specifically to this post - when you say Firewall vendor, are you making the assumption that our firewall is a hardware based solution? I simply ask, because we are using Microsoft ISA Server for our solution - and was curious if there is an add-on for that product. I will check the website for more details - but would still like to know other people's opinions of doing it this way - and particularly with ISA Server. Thanks, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter Szabo Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Check with your firewall vendor if they have a vpn add-on. Most do. /Peter - Original Message - From: Michael Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Greetings All, If this is getting OT, I am sure you will let me know real fast. Regarding this VPN stuff - I understand completely, the concepts behind it - now I need to implement it. This doesn't necessarily need to be hardware related does it? Can't I simply install some software on the Clients and the Server that allows them to login to the server, and begin an encrypted session? This is getting a little beyond my expertise. What kind of products are you all using to accomplish this complicated task? I remember in the past when PPTP came out from Microsoft, but have not heard much about it lately. Thanks again everyone, you are all lifesavers! Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Anderson Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) AWESOME! - That's precisely the answer I was looking for. This list is awesome :) Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) We have 60+ salesmen and engineers who connect via 56K modem dial up while on the road to access their email with Outlook/Exchange through a VPN... Everything works well, though a bit slowly at times, but not so slow as to be unusable or unbearable. You can do away with IMAP completely if you like... Outlook allows you to create an Offline Folder file, which is a local copy of the information stored on the Exchange server... With the offline folder file, users can continue to work with Outlook and maintain full functionality whether they're connected or not and will automatically synchronize (send, receive mail, update calendar, contacts, tasks, etc) whenever they are connected... Look in the help files for Outlook for help setting up Offline Access... There's also plenty of info at Microsoft and other sites that explain how to set this up and use it (it's pretty simple) Joe Pochedley I like deadlines, cartoonist Scott Adams once said. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. -Original Message- From: Michael Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question) Okay - I like the VPN route - and use Outlook 2000 as it was intended. BUT, what kind of Network Overhead is involved - when connecting remotely over a potentially slow connection? Will it take forever for folders to come up, especially if they are unusually large? Also, if the client cannot connect for some reason (which has been happening A LOT lately - due to massive service problems), what is the best solution to still have your old e-mail inside of Outlook? I was thinking this would be where IMAP really comes into it's own - because you can still keep your mail local, and on the server too - and when the connection comes back up, you just resynchronize everything - and you are good to go. Thanks for your continued responses, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin
