RE: Outsourcing email?
A big issue with outsourcing can be if the company in question goes out of business, in which case you often have a short time to make alternative arrangements. Since the company won't actually be hosting your e-mail, your risk is smaller, but still worth considering. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boyd, Nathan Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Outsourcing email? List, What do you think of using an outsourced Spam service like Postini? For our environment it is a choice of using Postini internally (via existing Trend IMSS) or sending all mail via Postini. What do people think of sending mail to another service? Personally I have concerns with SEC and HIPPA; I also worry about rising costs once we are with them, response times for emergency etc. Nathan _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outsourcing email?
Oh yeah, there was one other thing. Since we'll be pointing both primary and secondary MXen to the MSP, I no longer will have to worry about script kiddies and nitwits hammering our SMTP servewr (not and Exchange box, but still a possible weakness). Only the MSP's MXen will be allowed to access port 25 on that server. -- be - MOS The Tree of Learning bears the noblest fruit, but noble fruit tastes bad. > -Original Message- > From: East, Bill > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 2:27 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? > > > We're starting a filtering service with a local MSP in a week or so. > > My reasoning came down to economies of scale. They can afford > to have a > guy watch the recipies full time and tweak them when the spam starts > coming through. They can afford to have someone watch the mailflow and > make sure that mailflow-in minus spam equals mailflow out. > And whatever > other companies are using the filtering service will help us by making > the filtering more efficient. > > I don't particularly worry about the filterer reading our mail; hell, > how bored would you have to be? And anyone at our ISP, or the > sender's, > can hook up a tap any time they want. > > -- > be - MOS > > "Earth is a great, big funhouse without the fun." > -- Jeff Berner > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:33 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? > > > > > > I totally appreciate Paul's point of not wanting another > > potential delay > > that you can't control imposed but the data security aspect I don't > > understand. Email, if unencrypted, is insecure. > > > > If you are emailing something unencrypted outside your > > organisation you > > should assume it is public knowledge. I really don't see > that adding > > another handler makes any difference at all. It is by > > definition no longer > > "Company Insider" if you've sent it outside the company. > > > > Noone was suggesting that mail between internal sites > should be routed > > through this sort of service (Were they? Does anyone really have an > > internal Spam problem?) > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 23 December 2003 15:03 > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? > > > > Why would you want the control of your un-encrypted, > > completely open to > > reading, mission critical, company insider information, mail > > left to someone > > outside your control? > > > > Do yourself a great big favor by keeping it in house. > > > > > > The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the > > recipient or > > entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential > > information that > > is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the > > intended recipient, > > you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on > > it. If you have > > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender > > immediately and > > delete from your system. > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t ext_mode=& lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outsourcing email?
We're starting a filtering service with a local MSP in a week or so. My reasoning came down to economies of scale. They can afford to have a guy watch the recipies full time and tweak them when the spam starts coming through. They can afford to have someone watch the mailflow and make sure that mailflow-in minus spam equals mailflow out. And whatever other companies are using the filtering service will help us by making the filtering more efficient. I don't particularly worry about the filterer reading our mail; hell, how bored would you have to be? And anyone at our ISP, or the sender's, can hook up a tap any time they want. -- be - MOS "Earth is a great, big funhouse without the fun." -- Jeff Berner > -Original Message- > From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:33 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? > > > I totally appreciate Paul's point of not wanting another > potential delay > that you can't control imposed but the data security aspect I don't > understand. Email, if unencrypted, is insecure. > > If you are emailing something unencrypted outside your > organisation you > should assume it is public knowledge. I really don't see that adding > another handler makes any difference at all. It is by > definition no longer > "Company Insider" if you've sent it outside the company. > > Noone was suggesting that mail between internal sites should be routed > through this sort of service (Were they? Does anyone really have an > internal Spam problem?) > > > > -Original Message- > From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 23 December 2003 15:03 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? > > Why would you want the control of your un-encrypted, > completely open to > reading, mission critical, company insider information, mail > left to someone > outside your control? > > Do yourself a great big favor by keeping it in house. > > > The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the > recipient or > entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential > information that > is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the > intended recipient, > you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on > it. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender > immediately and > delete from your system. > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outsourcing email?
You're looking at the wrong direction - inbound is where the problems can lie. You don't have control between the sender and your gateway. IMO, that's too much of a risk for any but the smallest companies to take. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. > -Original Message- > From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:20 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? > > > No, it's not bunk. > > You care about more and that's great but if, like the > previous poster, all > you care about is that "Once it's picked up by a server from > my gateway > machine, it's out of my control, and also no longer my > worry." then the > presence in the chain of a third party is not significant. > > Your company, I'm sure, has very good reason to want this > level of control > and very good reason for ensuring it retains that control no > matter what the > cost but it is not typical. > > We might all be safer and happier for having our arms round > as much of the > process as possible, as you do, but it's not practical for > everyone and > other simply don't care. > > At some point you have to let go and trust that all will be > well, it's just > a question of when you decide / want / have to do that. > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 23 December 2003 16:28 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? > > > That's complete bunk. > > I have complete control over where mail entering and leaving > my networks is > delivered, as well as having full logs of those transactions. > > Any system sending mail to inovis.com will route to one of 4 > boxes under our > control - I control the publication of the MX records that > point to the 4 > boxes which we control. By putting Postini (or any mail > outsourcer) into > that flow, I have to publish MX records pointing to boxes outside my > control. > > My systems have control of the mail until its handed off to > the systems that > the receivers have designated as responsible for their mail. > > In this schenario, I have as much control over email traffic > as possible. > Putting an ASP SPAM service in the middle creates a situation > in which you > don't have control over your own mail delivery, and that's > not something > which my company is willing to give up. > > > The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the > recipient or > entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential > information that > is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the > intended recipient, > you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on > it. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender > immediately and > delete from your system. > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t ext_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outsourcing email?
No, it's not bunk. You care about more and that's great but if, like the previous poster, all you care about is that "Once it's picked up by a server from my gateway machine, it's out of my control, and also no longer my worry." then the presence in the chain of a third party is not significant. Your company, I'm sure, has very good reason to want this level of control and very good reason for ensuring it retains that control no matter what the cost but it is not typical. We might all be safer and happier for having our arms round as much of the process as possible, as you do, but it's not practical for everyone and other simply don't care. At some point you have to let go and trust that all will be well, it's just a question of when you decide / want / have to do that. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 16:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? That's complete bunk. I have complete control over where mail entering and leaving my networks is delivered, as well as having full logs of those transactions. Any system sending mail to inovis.com will route to one of 4 boxes under our control - I control the publication of the MX records that point to the 4 boxes which we control. By putting Postini (or any mail outsourcer) into that flow, I have to publish MX records pointing to boxes outside my control. My systems have control of the mail until its handed off to the systems that the receivers have designated as responsible for their mail. In this schenario, I have as much control over email traffic as possible. Putting an ASP SPAM service in the middle creates a situation in which you don't have control over your own mail delivery, and that's not something which my company is willing to give up. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outsourcing email?
That's complete bunk. I have complete control over where mail entering and leaving my networks is delivered, as well as having full logs of those transactions. Any system sending mail to inovis.com will route to one of 4 boxes under our control - I control the publication of the MX records that point to the 4 boxes which we control. By putting Postini (or any mail outsourcer) into that flow, I have to publish MX records pointing to boxes outside my control. My systems have control of the mail until its handed off to the systems that the receivers have designated as responsible for their mail. In this schenario, I have as much control over email traffic as possible. Putting an ASP SPAM service in the middle creates a situation in which you don't have control over your own mail delivery, and that's not something which my company is willing to give up. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. > -Original Message- > From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:45 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? > > > If all you care about is out of site, out of mind I still > don't see the > worry - at some point you pass over the handling of these > mail items to > someone else and at that point you have no control. This is > just moving > that boundary / adding another layer beyond it. > > Very few of us outside those who work for ISPs and the like > have control of > more than a tiny fraction of the process and none of us has > enough control > that we can guarantee that the recipients of these mails are > not using this > sort of service. > > > > -Original Message- > From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 23 December 2003 15:03 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? > > > Inside the company, all the mail servers were built by me, > and they are > controlled by me. Once it's picked up by a server from my gateway > machine, it's out of my control, and also no longer my worry. > > > The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the > recipient or > entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential > information that > is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the > intended recipient, > you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on > it. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender > immediately and > delete from your system. > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t ext_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outsourcing email?
For my domain, yes. I have complete control over the systems accepting mail for my domains. That's something which you lose when outsourcing this kind of service. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. > -Original Message- > From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:44 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? > > > So you only transfer mail within systems over which you have complete > control? > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 23 December 2003 13:09 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? > > > I personally don't trust other's handing my mail - then again, I'm > apparently a bit of a control freak when it comes to that > kind of thing. > > > The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the > recipient or > entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential > information that > is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the > intended recipient, > you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on > it. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender > immediately and > delete from your system. > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t ext_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outsourcing email?
We outsource our virus scanning and spam filtering to cinergy communications. So far it's worked out very well. I must admit that meeting with them is a bit disconcerting - I've got underwear older than most of their technical staff, but they do know their stuff! We debated all the relevant points about security and control, but in the end decided that the benefits outweighed the risks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shotton Jolyon Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 11:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? I suppose. Any organisation I've worked for that cares that much uses dedicated networks for data transfer to third parties it has to trust and places controls on what sort of information can be allowed onto public networks. I wouldn't trust the public networks with anything I wanted to keep secret, particularly not if it was not encrypted. But you're right, it does provide an extra opportunity. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 15:51 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? I agree, I wouldn't want to run all my internal only mail through a service provider for spam/virus filtering. As for outgoing mail and inbound mail, why make it easy for someone to run a man in the middle intelligence gathering operation against your company? Running all your mail through one easy to access service point makes it very easy for some disgruntled service provider employee (who I don't have any control over), to make copies of all the mail and then black market it. Yes, a M-i-T-M attack can be run on the net, but in order to gather the amounts of data necessary to make it worth while, you need a choke point. You couldn't get enough information about my business if all you did was M-I-T-M my mail going to and from Cisco, or some other vendor like that. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outsourcing email?
I suppose. Any organisation I've worked for that cares that much uses dedicated networks for data transfer to third parties it has to trust and places controls on what sort of information can be allowed onto public networks. I wouldn't trust the public networks with anything I wanted to keep secret, particularly not if it was not encrypted. But you're right, it does provide an extra opportunity. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 15:51 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? I agree, I wouldn't want to run all my internal only mail through a service provider for spam/virus filtering. As for outgoing mail and inbound mail, why make it easy for someone to run a man in the middle intelligence gathering operation against your company? Running all your mail through one easy to access service point makes it very easy for some disgruntled service provider employee (who I don't have any control over), to make copies of all the mail and then black market it. Yes, a M-i-T-M attack can be run on the net, but in order to gather the amounts of data necessary to make it worth while, you need a choke point. You couldn't get enough information about my business if all you did was M-I-T-M my mail going to and from Cisco, or some other vendor like that. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outsourcing email?
I agree, I wouldn't want to run all my internal only mail through a service provider for spam/virus filtering. As for outgoing mail and inbound mail, why make it easy for someone to run a man in the middle intelligence gathering operation against your company? Running all your mail through one easy to access service point makes it very easy for some disgruntled service provider employee (who I don't have any control over), to make copies of all the mail and then black market it. Yes, a M-i-T-M attack can be run on the net, but in order to gather the amounts of data necessary to make it worth while, you need a choke point. You couldn't get enough information about my business if all you did was M-I-T-M my mail going to and from Cisco, or some other vendor like that. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:33 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Outsourcing email? Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? I totally appreciate Paul's point of not wanting another potential delay that you can't control imposed but the data security aspect I don't understand. Email, if unencrypted, is insecure. If you are emailing something unencrypted outside your organisation you should assume it is public knowledge. I really don't see that adding another handler makes any difference at all. It is by definition no longer "Company Insider" if you've sent it outside the company. Noone was suggesting that mail between internal sites should be routed through this sort of service (Were they? Does anyone really have an internal Spam problem?) -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 15:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? Why would you want the control of your un-encrypted, completely open to reading, mission critical, company insider information, mail left to someone outside your control? Do yourself a great big favor by keeping it in house. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outsourcing email?
If all you care about is out of site, out of mind I still don't see the worry - at some point you pass over the handling of these mail items to someone else and at that point you have no control. This is just moving that boundary / adding another layer beyond it. Very few of us outside those who work for ISPs and the like have control of more than a tiny fraction of the process and none of us has enough control that we can guarantee that the recipients of these mails are not using this sort of service. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 15:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? Inside the company, all the mail servers were built by me, and they are controlled by me. Once it's picked up by a server from my gateway machine, it's out of my control, and also no longer my worry. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outsourcing email?
I totally appreciate Paul's point of not wanting another potential delay that you can't control imposed but the data security aspect I don't understand. Email, if unencrypted, is insecure. If you are emailing something unencrypted outside your organisation you should assume it is public knowledge. I really don't see that adding another handler makes any difference at all. It is by definition no longer "Company Insider" if you've sent it outside the company. Noone was suggesting that mail between internal sites should be routed through this sort of service (Were they? Does anyone really have an internal Spam problem?) -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 15:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? Why would you want the control of your un-encrypted, completely open to reading, mission critical, company insider information, mail left to someone outside your control? Do yourself a great big favor by keeping it in house. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outsourcing email?
Inside the company, all the mail servers were built by me, and they are controlled by me. Once it's picked up by a server from my gateway machine, it's out of my control, and also no longer my worry. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shotton Jolyon Posted At: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:44 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Outsourcing email? Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? So you only transfer mail within systems over which you have complete control? -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 13:09 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? I personally don't trust other's handing my mail - then again, I'm apparently a bit of a control freak when it comes to that kind of thing. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outsourcing email?
Why would you want the control of your un-encrypted, completely open to reading, mission critical, company insider information, mail left to someone outside your control? Do yourself a great big favor by keeping it in house. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boyd, Nathan Posted At: Monday, December 22, 2003 4:38 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Outsourcing email? Subject: Outsourcing email? List, What do you think of using an outsourced Spam service like Postini? For our environment it is a choice of using Postini internally (via existing Trend IMSS) or sending all mail via Postini. What do people think of sending mail to another service? Personally I have concerns with SEC and HIPPA; I also worry about rising costs once we are with them, response times for emergency etc. Nathan _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i can't speak for roger but personally i like knowing that when someone says they've sent us an email and i'm asked if it's arrived that i can look in my maillog and _know_ if it's touched my network server or not and not have to wonder if it's stuck on some third party box because they do our virus/spam filtering and happen to have a bit of a backlog. ditto outgoing mail.. if it's left my server it's left my company.. no need to worry if it's queued on some third parties server. i wouldn't say i'm a control freak, i just like to be able to know what's happening rather than make assumptions about what's happening somewhere beyond my control. regards, Paul -- Paul Hutchings Network Administrator, MIRA Ltd. Tel: 44 (0)24 7635 5378, Fax: 44 (0)24 7635 8378 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 23 December 2003 14:44 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? > > > So you only transfer mail within systems over which you have complete > control? > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 23 December 2003 13:09 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? > > > I personally don't trust other's handing my mail - then again, I'm > apparently a bit of a control freak when it comes to that > kind of thing. > > > The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the > recipient or > entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential > information that > is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the > intended recipient, > you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on > it. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender > immediately and > delete from your system. > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t > ext_mode=&lang=english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In the states we call that "inter-office" mail. ;-) Eric Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? So you only transfer mail within systems over which you have complete control? -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 13:09 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? I personally don't trust other's handing my mail - then again, I'm apparently a bit of a control freak when it comes to that kind of thing. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So you only transfer mail within systems over which you have complete control? -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 December 2003 13:09 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outsourcing email? I personally don't trust other's handing my mail - then again, I'm apparently a bit of a control freak when it comes to that kind of thing. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I personally don't trust other's handing my mail - then again, I'm apparently a bit of a control freak when it comes to that kind of thing. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. > -Original Message- > From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 4:38 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Outsourcing email? > > > List, > > What do you think of using an outsourced Spam service like Postini? > > For our environment it is a choice of using Postini > internally (via existing > Trend IMSS) or sending all mail via Postini. > > What do people think of sending mail to another service? > Personally I have > concerns with SEC and HIPPA; I also worry about rising costs > once we are > with them, response times for emergency etc. > > Nathan > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t ext_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We use MessageLabs for virus and Spam filtering. The service we get is generally good & flexible but they do seem to be under-resourced leading to occasional delays in mail processing at their end. We've also had problems with SpamCop & others classing one of their clients as a Spam source and blocking a MessageLabs IP address which results in a proportion of mail being blocked by organisations using the relevant blacklist. Out clients seem to be happy with the Spam blocking though, which was the main purpose of this. -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 December 2003 21:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Outsourcing email? List, What do you think of using an outsourced Spam service like Postini? For our environment it is a choice of using Postini internally (via existing Trend IMSS) or sending all mail via Postini. What do people think of sending mail to another service? Personally I have concerns with SEC and HIPPA; I also worry about rising costs once we are with them, response times for emergency etc. Nathan The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
