RE: need ammo
If the business drives the need to send large attachments around, it may be worth looking into a tool that works with the server to ZIP compress attachments automatically on their way out. Users tend to use email as a file transfer mechanism because it's all they're familiar with, and there are steps we can take to make it easier for the poor saps on the other end downloading this stuff. C2C has one that I know of. There's also tools to delay transmission of huge emails until off-peak times. > -Original Message- > From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Posted At: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:05 PM > Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) > Conversation: need ammo > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > I guess the best answer would be business-related. What is > the standard size of attachments that are sent to a company? > I would say that if your company were an advertising agency, > then you would need larger limits, due to the graphic file, > etc. If your company was a law firm, you would need even > larger limits. But if your company only exchanges emails > messages and rarely sends back and forth attachments, the > default could be no limit. As I said at the beginning -- it > is all related to the type of business, IMHO. > > Geoff... > > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:53 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > At my last gig we routinely received e-mail messages which > were 200MB+. 5-10MB limits would have been laughed at. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:46 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > > > > IIRC, the 5MB limit comes from some Microsoft article I remember > > reading a long time ago. It could go back as far as Microsoft Mail > > 3.5. However, I have only heard discussion in various Exchange > > groups, that 5-10MB seems to be the limit (with exceptions, of > > course). > > > > Geoff... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:38 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > > > > A quick check of 10 or so companies ESMTP compliant mail servers > > didn't bear out the assertion that most companies have a > limit of 5MB > > on the IMS. Has someone actually done a more comprehensive > survey of > > IMS limits or was the 5MB number an off the cuff statistic? > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Darryl Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:35 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > > > > > > > The general policy of most companies is 5MB limit of Internet > > > inbound/Outbound messages. In my opinion, too many users think of > > > email systems as being some panacean highway for any kind of data > > > transmission no matter the threat or inconvenience to > > others. I have > > > had nitwits send out large messages which got caught in a > > nasty mail > > > loop. There is no easy answer but I recommend that you > > approach this > > > from a policy point of view. > > > > > > Our policy here is 5MB. > > > No ifs or butts (pun intended). > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:17 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: need ammo > > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > > > I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message > > limit size on > > > SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. > > > > > > Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when > > people try > > > to send too many messages that are too large? What is a > reasonable > > > size for SMTP message? > > > > > > Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times > large SMTP > > > messages crashed the servers. > > > > > > I just need to convince this customer that it is not a > good idea to > > > send large messages. > >
RE: need ammo
Yeah, which makes it difficult in the case of a hosting company where multiple customers have different business needs. Might be an area in which a 3rd party content filtering gateway with the capacity to delay the delivery of oversized messages could add value. > -Original Message- > From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:05 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > I guess the best answer would be business-related. What is > the standard size of attachments that are sent to a company? > I would say that if your company were an advertising agency, > then you would need larger limits, due to the graphic file, > etc. If your company was a law firm, you would need even > larger limits. But if your company only exchanges emails > messages and rarely sends back and forth attachments, the > default could be no limit. As I said at the beginning -- it > is all related to the type of business, IMHO. > > Geoff... > > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:53 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > At my last gig we routinely received e-mail messages which > were 200MB+. 5-10MB limits would have been laughed at. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:46 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > > > > IIRC, the 5MB limit comes from some Microsoft article I remember > > reading a long time ago. It could go back as far as Microsoft Mail > > 3.5. However, I have only heard discussion in various Exchange > > groups, that 5-10MB seems to be the limit (with exceptions, of > > course). > > > > Geoff... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:38 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > > > > A quick check of 10 or so companies ESMTP compliant mail servers > > didn't bear out the assertion that most companies have a > limit of 5MB > > on the IMS. Has someone actually done a more comprehensive > survey of > > IMS limits or was the 5MB number an off the cuff statistic? > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Darryl Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:35 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > > > > > > > The general policy of most companies is 5MB limit of Internet > > > inbound/Outbound messages. In my opinion, too many users think of > > > email systems as being some panacean highway for any kind of data > > > transmission no matter the threat or inconvenience to > > others. I have > > > had nitwits send out large messages which got caught in a > > nasty mail > > > loop. There is no easy answer but I recommend that you > > approach this > > > from a policy point of view. > > > > > > Our policy here is 5MB. > > > No ifs or butts (pun intended). > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:17 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: need ammo > > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > > > I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message > > limit size on > > > SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. > > > > > > Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when > > people try > > > to send too many messages that are too large? What is a > reasonable > > > size for SMTP message? > > > > > > Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times > large SMTP > > > messages crashed the servers. > > > > > > I just need to convince this customer that it is not a > good idea to > > > send large messages. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Andrey Fyodorov > > > > > > _ > > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp &
RE: need ammo
I guess the best answer would be business-related. What is the standard size of attachments that are sent to a company? I would say that if your company were an advertising agency, then you would need larger limits, due to the graphic file, etc. If your company was a law firm, you would need even larger limits. But if your company only exchanges emails messages and rarely sends back and forth attachments, the default could be no limit. As I said at the beginning -- it is all related to the type of business, IMHO. Geoff... -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: need ammo At my last gig we routinely received e-mail messages which were 200MB+. 5-10MB limits would have been laughed at. > -Original Message- > From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:46 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > IIRC, the 5MB limit comes from some Microsoft article I > remember reading a long time ago. It could go back as far as > Microsoft Mail 3.5. However, I have only heard discussion in > various Exchange groups, that 5-10MB seems to be the limit > (with exceptions, of course). > > Geoff... > > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:38 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > A quick check of 10 or so companies ESMTP compliant mail > servers didn't bear out the assertion that most companies > have a limit of 5MB on the IMS. Has someone actually done a > more comprehensive survey of IMS limits or was the 5MB number > an off the cuff statistic? > > > -Original Message- > > From: Darryl Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:35 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > > > > The general policy of most companies is 5MB limit of Internet > > inbound/Outbound messages. In my opinion, too many users think of > > email systems as being some panacean highway for any kind of data > > transmission no matter the threat or inconvenience to > others. I have > > had nitwits send out large messages which got caught in a > nasty mail > > loop. There is no easy answer but I recommend that you > approach this > > from a policy point of view. > > > > Our policy here is 5MB. > > No ifs or butts (pun intended). > > > > D. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: need ammo > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message > limit size on > > SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. > > > > Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when > people try > > to send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable > > size for SMTP message? > > > > Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP > > messages crashed the servers. > > > > I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to > > send large messages. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Andrey Fyodorov > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe:
RE: need ammo
At my last gig we routinely received e-mail messages which were 200MB+. 5-10MB limits would have been laughed at. > -Original Message- > From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:46 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > IIRC, the 5MB limit comes from some Microsoft article I > remember reading a long time ago. It could go back as far as > Microsoft Mail 3.5. However, I have only heard discussion in > various Exchange groups, that 5-10MB seems to be the limit > (with exceptions, of course). > > Geoff... > > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:38 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > A quick check of 10 or so companies ESMTP compliant mail > servers didn't bear out the assertion that most companies > have a limit of 5MB on the IMS. Has someone actually done a > more comprehensive survey of IMS limits or was the 5MB number > an off the cuff statistic? > > > -Original Message- > > From: Darryl Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:35 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > > > > The general policy of most companies is 5MB limit of Internet > > inbound/Outbound messages. In my opinion, too many users think of > > email systems as being some panacean highway for any kind of data > > transmission no matter the threat or inconvenience to > others. I have > > had nitwits send out large messages which got caught in a > nasty mail > > loop. There is no easy answer but I recommend that you > approach this > > from a policy point of view. > > > > Our policy here is 5MB. > > No ifs or butts (pun intended). > > > > D. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: need ammo > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message > limit size on > > SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. > > > > Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when > people try > > to send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable > > size for SMTP message? > > > > Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP > > messages crashed the servers. > > > > I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to > > send large messages. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Andrey Fyodorov > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: need ammo
5Mb was quite large in MSMail days! :-) Looks rather small these days, IMHO. Neil - Original Message - From: "Dale Geoffrey Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: RE: need ammo > IIRC, the 5MB limit comes from some Microsoft article I remember reading a > long time ago. It could go back as far as Microsoft Mail 3.5. However, I > have only heard discussion in various Exchange groups, that 5-10MB seems to > be the limit (with exceptions, of course). > > Geoff... > > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:38 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > A quick check of 10 or so companies ESMTP compliant mail servers didn't bear > out the assertion that most companies have a limit of 5MB on the IMS. Has > someone actually done a more comprehensive survey of IMS limits or was the > 5MB number an off the cuff statistic? > > > -Original Message- > > From: Darryl Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:35 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > > > > The general policy of most companies is 5MB limit of Internet > > inbound/Outbound messages. In my opinion, too many users > > think of email systems as being some panacean highway for any > > kind of data transmission no matter the threat or > > inconvenience to others. I have had nitwits send out large > > messages which got caught in a nasty mail loop. There is no > > easy answer but I recommend that you approach this from a > > policy point of view. > > > > Our policy here is 5MB. > > No ifs or butts (pun intended). > > > > D. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:17 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: need ammo > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit > > size on SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. > > > > Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when > > people try to send too many messages that are too large? What > > is a reasonable size for SMTP message? > > > > Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times > > large SMTP messages crashed the servers. > > > > I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good > > idea to send large messages. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Andrey Fyodorov > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
IIRC, the 5MB limit comes from some Microsoft article I remember reading a long time ago. It could go back as far as Microsoft Mail 3.5. However, I have only heard discussion in various Exchange groups, that 5-10MB seems to be the limit (with exceptions, of course). Geoff... -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: need ammo A quick check of 10 or so companies ESMTP compliant mail servers didn't bear out the assertion that most companies have a limit of 5MB on the IMS. Has someone actually done a more comprehensive survey of IMS limits or was the 5MB number an off the cuff statistic? > -Original Message- > From: Darryl Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:35 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > The general policy of most companies is 5MB limit of Internet > inbound/Outbound messages. In my opinion, too many users > think of email systems as being some panacean highway for any > kind of data transmission no matter the threat or > inconvenience to others. I have had nitwits send out large > messages which got caught in a nasty mail loop. There is no > easy answer but I recommend that you approach this from a > policy point of view. > > Our policy here is 5MB. > No ifs or butts (pun intended). > > D. > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:17 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: need ammo > > > Hi all. > > I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit > size on SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. > > Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when > people try to send too many messages that are too large? What > is a reasonable size for SMTP message? > > Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times > large SMTP messages crashed the servers. > > I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good > idea to send large messages. > > Thanks! > > Andrey Fyodorov > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
A quick check of 10 or so companies ESMTP compliant mail servers didn't bear out the assertion that most companies have a limit of 5MB on the IMS. Has someone actually done a more comprehensive survey of IMS limits or was the 5MB number an off the cuff statistic? > -Original Message- > From: Darryl Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:35 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > The general policy of most companies is 5MB limit of Internet > inbound/Outbound messages. In my opinion, too many users > think of email systems as being some panacean highway for any > kind of data transmission no matter the threat or > inconvenience to others. I have had nitwits send out large > messages which got caught in a nasty mail loop. There is no > easy answer but I recommend that you approach this from a > policy point of view. > > Our policy here is 5MB. > No ifs or butts (pun intended). > > D. > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:17 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: need ammo > > > Hi all. > > I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit > size on SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. > > Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when > people try to send too many messages that are too large? What > is a reasonable size for SMTP message? > > Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times > large SMTP messages crashed the servers. > > I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good > idea to send large messages. > > Thanks! > > Andrey Fyodorov > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
Heh. Sneding. I would also suggest considering setting the send limit (either global in ex2k or mailbox level ex 5.5) to whatever your IMC limit is. We had some [user] try to send a 285MB attachment, and it bounced around the MTA's for a while before I found it and deleted it. We have a 4MB limit on the "IMC", and most recently put a 4MB limit *everywhere* (MTA, 5.5 UA, 2k Global). There really haven't been very many complaints. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:15 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: need ammo Subject: RE: need ammo ::blank stare:: -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: need ammo I totally agree here. We told them sneding large files via FTP would be far better. > -- > From: Great Cthulhu Jones > Reply To: Exchange Discussions > Sent: Friday, September 6, 2002 07:11 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > Another alternative: educate people about FTP. You know, the *other* > Transfer Protocol. SMTP is for simple messages. FTP is for files. > > There ya go. Tell 'em CJ sent ya. > > (:= > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Couch, Nate > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:50 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > We have one customer with a 100MB SMTP limit which "they say" needed > for some large CAD engineering drawings they were sending. One of > these got caught in an email loop and generated so many transaction > log files that it killed the server. We spent the good portion of a > day recovering from that > disaster. > > Most of our customers have reasonable limits 10-15MB. > > Have them use Winzip. It will save them time and you headaches. Just > tell them the story above and > imagine what their CEO would say if he/she finds out it was them who > caused > him/her a delay in getting > the CEO's email sent. They might find themselves on the unemployment line > like the guy above did. > > Nate > > > > -- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov > > Reply To: Exchange Discussions > > Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2002 16:17 > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject:need ammo > > > > Hi all. > > > > I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on > SMTP > > connectors in our shared Exchange environment. > > > > Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people > > try to send too many messages that are too large? What is a > > reasonable size for SMTP message? > > > > Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP > > messages crashed the servers. > > > > I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to > > send large messages. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Andrey Fyodorov > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
My opinion would be "it depends" IF it is say a graphics design firm...then 10MB could likely not be big enough...or maybe and engineering design firm use Acad..etc...large files I do not know that there is a hard fast rule on this..it depends on your environment, bandwidth connections etc... limits can be good and can kind'a help as a safety net..kind'a but then they can be a big pain too I do not believe it should "crash" your server...maybe slow down the transfer of mail thru the IMC in exch...due to all the processing..but not crashIt could appear as crashing maybe depending on your hardware...bandwidth..etc... I set mine at 15mb...but then I do not have graphic designers to deal with just sales people sending PPT, PDF, XLS...large at times say close on some XLS to 10MBand often the sales people will send a 4MB PPT to like 30 to 60 people...but the server just run's and sends them as it can...no crashing.. Ive also got a full T1 so generally bandwidth is not an issue..Exch55sp4, NT4sp6a..Pent 3 600..768MB ram... the customer is always right.well kind'a. If they want a higher limits and need it then likely they should get it...if it's crashing (truely) your server...I would say something is amiss it your server,config's or something and it should be "fixed"/looked at 2 cents bill -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: need ammo Hi all. I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people try to send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable size for SMTP message? Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP messages crashed the servers. I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to send large messages. Thanks! Andrey Fyodorov _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
::blank stare:: -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: need ammo I totally agree here. We told them sneding large files via FTP would be far better. > -- > From: Great Cthulhu Jones > Reply To: Exchange Discussions > Sent: Friday, September 6, 2002 07:11 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > Another alternative: educate people about FTP. You know, the *other* > Transfer Protocol. SMTP is for simple messages. FTP is for files. > > There ya go. Tell 'em CJ sent ya. > > (:= > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Couch, Nate > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:50 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > We have one customer with a 100MB SMTP limit which "they say" needed > for some large CAD engineering drawings they were sending. One of > these got caught in an email loop and generated so many transaction > log files that it killed the server. We spent the good portion of a > day recovering from that > disaster. > > Most of our customers have reasonable limits 10-15MB. > > Have them use Winzip. It will save them time and you headaches. Just > tell them the story above and > imagine what their CEO would say if he/she finds out it was them who > caused > him/her a delay in getting > the CEO's email sent. They might find themselves on the unemployment line > like the guy above did. > > Nate > > > > -- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov > > Reply To: Exchange Discussions > > Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2002 16:17 > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject:need ammo > > > > Hi all. > > > > I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on > SMTP > > connectors in our shared Exchange environment. > > > > Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people > > try to send too many messages that are too large? What is a > > reasonable size for SMTP message? > > > > Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP > > messages crashed the servers. > > > > I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to > > send large messages. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Andrey Fyodorov > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
I totally agree here. We told them sneding large files via FTP would be far better. > -- > From: Great Cthulhu Jones > Reply To: Exchange Discussions > Sent: Friday, September 6, 2002 07:11 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > Another alternative: educate people about FTP. You know, the *other* > Transfer Protocol. SMTP is for simple messages. FTP is for files. > > There ya go. Tell 'em CJ sent ya. > > (:= > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Couch, Nate > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:50 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > We have one customer with a 100MB SMTP limit which "they say" needed for > some large CAD engineering drawings they were sending. One of these got > caught in an email loop and generated so many transaction log files that > it > killed the server. We spent the good portion of a day recovering from > that > disaster. > > Most of our customers have reasonable limits 10-15MB. > > Have them use Winzip. It will save them time and you headaches. Just > tell > them the story above and > imagine what their CEO would say if he/she finds out it was them who > caused > him/her a delay in getting > the CEO's email sent. They might find themselves on the unemployment line > like the guy above did. > > Nate > > > > -- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov > > Reply To: Exchange Discussions > > Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2002 16:17 > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject:need ammo > > > > Hi all. > > > > I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on > SMTP > > connectors in our shared Exchange environment. > > > > Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people try to > > send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable size for > > SMTP message? > > > > Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP > > messages crashed the servers. > > > > I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to send > > large messages. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Andrey Fyodorov > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
You'll find that with large messages of that size, you may be fielding calls from remote users who can't understand why, when they dial in, their email takes a couple hours to download. Explaining to them that they have several large attachments waiting for them usually sufficiently frustrates them into seeing your point of view (provided you only provide dial-up services for remote users). Its all a matter of user training. Typical users don't have any clue that there's a better way to transfer files, not only externally, but internally. Once you explain FTP, or even file shares, to them, it usually helps the problem. If you don't happen to be using Enterprise version, and you have a bunch of packrats, you may find that with larger attachment sizes, you'll fill up your IS rather quickly - happened to us with only a couple hundred users. Convincing people not to send email is much easier than convicing them to delete email already sent. John J. Steniger Network and Security Manager Familymeds, Inc. Phone: 860-676-1222 X633 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.familymeds.com > -Original Message- > From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:17 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: need ammo > > > Hi all. > > I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit > size on SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. > > Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when > people try to send too many messages that are too large? What > is a reasonable size for SMTP message? > > Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times > large SMTP messages crashed the servers. > > I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good > idea to send large messages. > > Thanks! > > Andrey Fyodorov > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
My guess would be forwarding. Another evil feature that many of my customers insist on having. Then when the server crawls they all complain and blame me, my company, Exchange, Microsoft, Bill Gates, etc. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 8:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: need ammo What caused the mail loop? -Original Message- From: Darryl Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 8:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: need ammo The general policy of most companies is 5MB limit of Internet inbound/Outbound messages. In my opinion, too many users think of email systems as being some panacean highway for any kind of data transmission no matter the threat or inconvenience to others. I have had nitwits send out large messages which got caught in a nasty mail loop. There is no easy answer but I recommend that you approach this from a policy point of view. Our policy here is 5MB. No ifs or butts (pun intended). D. -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: need ammo Hi all. I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people try to send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable size for SMTP message? Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP messages crashed the servers. I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to send large messages. Thanks! Andrey Fyodorov _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
Prior to this incident it was 200MB. After the incident we set the following IW - 40MB PS - 50MB PSR - 200MB Note: We had informed the customer of these issues prior to the incident with their server. It was only after the crash that they believed us. > -- > From: Andy David > Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 6, 2002 07:15 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: need ammo > > What was the size limit on the individual mailboxes? > > > -Original Message- > From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:50 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: need ammo > > > We have one customer with a 100MB SMTP limit which "they say" needed for > some large CAD engineering drawings they were sending. One of these got > caught in an email loop and generated so many transaction log files that > it > killed the server. We spent the good portion of a day recovering from > that > disaster. > > Most of our customers have reasonable limits 10-15MB. > > Have them use Winzip. It will save them time and you headaches. Just > tell > them the story above and > imagine what their CEO would say if he/she finds out it was them who > caused > him/her a delay in getting > the CEO's email sent. They might find themselves on the unemployment line > like the guy above did. > > Nate > > > > -- > > From: Andrey Fyodorov > > Reply To: Exchange Discussions > > Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2002 16:17 > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject:need ammo > > > > Hi all. > > > > I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on > SMTP > > connectors in our shared Exchange environment. > > > > Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people try to > > send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable size for > > SMTP message? > > > > Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP > > messages crashed the servers. > > > > I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to send > > large messages. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Andrey Fyodorov > > > > _ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > The information contained in this email message is privileged and > confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or > entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler > Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. > > == > > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
What was the size limit on the individual mailboxes? -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: need ammo We have one customer with a 100MB SMTP limit which "they say" needed for some large CAD engineering drawings they were sending. One of these got caught in an email loop and generated so many transaction log files that it killed the server. We spent the good portion of a day recovering from that disaster. Most of our customers have reasonable limits 10-15MB. Have them use Winzip. It will save them time and you headaches. Just tell them the story above and imagine what their CEO would say if he/she finds out it was them who caused him/her a delay in getting the CEO's email sent. They might find themselves on the unemployment line like the guy above did. Nate > -- > From: Andrey Fyodorov > Reply To: Exchange Discussions > Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2002 16:17 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: need ammo > > Hi all. > > I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on SMTP > connectors in our shared Exchange environment. > > Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people try to > send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable size for > SMTP message? > > Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP > messages crashed the servers. > > I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to send > large messages. > > Thanks! > > Andrey Fyodorov > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
Another alternative: educate people about FTP. You know, the *other* Transfer Protocol. SMTP is for simple messages. FTP is for files. There ya go. Tell 'em CJ sent ya. (:= -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Couch, Nate Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: need ammo We have one customer with a 100MB SMTP limit which "they say" needed for some large CAD engineering drawings they were sending. One of these got caught in an email loop and generated so many transaction log files that it killed the server. We spent the good portion of a day recovering from that disaster. Most of our customers have reasonable limits 10-15MB. Have them use Winzip. It will save them time and you headaches. Just tell them the story above and imagine what their CEO would say if he/she finds out it was them who caused him/her a delay in getting the CEO's email sent. They might find themselves on the unemployment line like the guy above did. Nate > -- > From: Andrey Fyodorov > Reply To: Exchange Discussions > Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2002 16:17 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: need ammo > > Hi all. > > I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on SMTP > connectors in our shared Exchange environment. > > Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people try to > send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable size for > SMTP message? > > Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP > messages crashed the servers. > > I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to send > large messages. > > Thanks! > > Andrey Fyodorov > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
We have one customer with a 100MB SMTP limit which "they say" needed for some large CAD engineering drawings they were sending. One of these got caught in an email loop and generated so many transaction log files that it killed the server. We spent the good portion of a day recovering from that disaster. Most of our customers have reasonable limits 10-15MB. Have them use Winzip. It will save them time and you headaches. Just tell them the story above and imagine what their CEO would say if he/she finds out it was them who caused him/her a delay in getting the CEO's email sent. They might find themselves on the unemployment line like the guy above did. Nate > -- > From: Andrey Fyodorov > Reply To: Exchange Discussions > Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2002 16:17 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: need ammo > > Hi all. > > I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on SMTP > connectors in our shared Exchange environment. > > Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people try to > send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable size for > SMTP message? > > Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP > messages crashed the servers. > > I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to send > large messages. > > Thanks! > > Andrey Fyodorov > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
> Hi all. > > I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit > size on SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. Have you told them of the joys of winzip? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
Well for one, who is going to accept 15MB on the incoming side? I definitely wouldn't. Without attachments 15MB is a hell of a lot of typing ..:-) Sander -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 September 2002 11:17 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: need ammo Hi all. I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people try to send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable size for SMTP message? Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP messages crashed the servers. I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to send large messages. Thanks! Andrey Fyodorov _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
A message from cheerios.com. (:= -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy David Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: need ammo What caused the mail loop? -Original Message- From: Darryl Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 8:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: need ammo The general policy of most companies is 5MB limit of Internet inbound/Outbound messages. In my opinion, too many users think of email systems as being some panacean highway for any kind of data transmission no matter the threat or inconvenience to others. I have had nitwits send out large messages which got caught in a nasty mail loop. There is no easy answer but I recommend that you approach this from a policy point of view. Our policy here is 5MB. No ifs or butts (pun intended). D. -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: need ammo Hi all. I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people try to send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable size for SMTP message? Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP messages crashed the servers. I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to send large messages. Thanks! Andrey Fyodorov _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
What caused the mail loop? -Original Message- From: Darryl Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 8:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: need ammo The general policy of most companies is 5MB limit of Internet inbound/Outbound messages. In my opinion, too many users think of email systems as being some panacean highway for any kind of data transmission no matter the threat or inconvenience to others. I have had nitwits send out large messages which got caught in a nasty mail loop. There is no easy answer but I recommend that you approach this from a policy point of view. Our policy here is 5MB. No ifs or butts (pun intended). D. -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: need ammo Hi all. I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people try to send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable size for SMTP message? Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP messages crashed the servers. I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to send large messages. Thanks! Andrey Fyodorov _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
The general policy of most companies is 5MB limit of Internet inbound/Outbound messages. In my opinion, too many users think of email systems as being some panacean highway for any kind of data transmission no matter the threat or inconvenience to others. I have had nitwits send out large messages which got caught in a nasty mail loop. There is no easy answer but I recommend that you approach this from a policy point of view. Our policy here is 5MB. No ifs or butts (pun intended). D. -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: need ammo Hi all. I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people try to send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable size for SMTP message? Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP messages crashed the servers. I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to send large messages. Thanks! Andrey Fyodorov _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
We have a 15 MB limit to keep the users happy, then block all AVI, MP* files -Original Message- From: Steven A. Christensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: need ammo We use a 2MB limit as a general rule - with plenty of exceptions, of course. Steve C. - Original Message - From: "Andrey Fyodorov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: need ammo Hi all. I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people try to send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable size for SMTP message? Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP messages crashed the servers. I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to send large messages. Thanks! Andrey Fyodorov _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
I've never seen a large message crash servers, but I have seen them bring everything to a halt, all queued up til the message was sent. What's reasonable really depends on your needs. I think 10MB is very reasonable. There are better mechanisms for file transfer than SMTP, I think. FTP perhaps? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andrey Fyodorov Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: need ammo Hi all. I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people try to send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable size for SMTP message? Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP messages crashed the servers. I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to send large messages. Thanks! Andrey Fyodorov ___ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: need ammo
We use a 2MB limit as a general rule - with plenty of exceptions, of course. Steve C. - Original Message - From: "Andrey Fyodorov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: need ammo Hi all. I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people try to send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable size for SMTP message? Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP messages crashed the servers. I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to send large messages. Thanks! Andrey Fyodorov _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
On behalf of everyone that hates waiting for large attachments, please just grab a baseball bat and hit him over the head for us -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andrey Fyodorov Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: need ammo Hi all. I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people try to send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable size for SMTP message? Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP messages crashed the servers. I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to send large messages. Thanks! Andrey Fyodorov _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: need ammo
You need to evaluate the size limit based on your business needs. If all you need to do is send Word docs, etc, 10 MB is probably fine. If you are working with graphics folks, etc, 10 MB wont be enough. If this customer has a legitimate business need, you probably need to bump the size. -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: need ammo Hi all. I have this customer who is unhappy about 10MB message limit size on SMTP connectors in our shared Exchange environment. Does anyone have any scary stories about what happens when people try to send too many messages that are too large? What is a reasonable size for SMTP message? Our servers originally had higher limits but a few times large SMTP messages crashed the servers. I just need to convince this customer that it is not a good idea to send large messages. Thanks! Andrey Fyodorov _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
