RE: Tivoli
You're right Ed! We are currently trying to find the common denominator for this problem. So far, it appears that jobs that span 2 tapes after migration are the source of unsuccessful restores. We're going to test the tape migration of a smaller IS that will fit on one tape, and see if see get consistent restores from tape. Has anyone using TSM's Exchange agent had this or a similar problem. > That first "con" would seem to be a pretty severe one. > > Ed Crowley > Compaq Computer > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Derrick > Stevenson > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 9:23 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Re: Tivoli > > > We switched from BackupExec to TSM. For us, it took awhile to get it > setup properly because it was completely new to us, and the documentation > Sucks. You will quickly get tired of "See System Administrator" as the > books solution to most problems. But, it has its pros and cons like > everything else: > > Pros: > -Faster backup/restore than BackupExec (We use disk pools and migrate to > IBM MagStar 3590 tape library) > -TDP 2.2 GUI is pretty simple. > -The TSM database makes it easy to do Point-in-Time restores and > eliminates the need for doing individual catalogs or inventories of tapes. > > Cons: > -We have had problems restoring Exchange after data has been migrated from > disk pool to tape pool. > -Documentation sucks > -No mailbox level backup (compared to Backup Exec). Have to restore to > test/alternate server and export mailbox, though process is much faster > than a full restore w/ BackupExec. > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tivoli
That first "con" would seem to be a pretty severe one. Ed Crowley Compaq Computer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Derrick Stevenson Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 9:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Tivoli We switched from BackupExec to TSM. For us, it took awhile to get it setup properly because it was completely new to us, and the documentation Sucks. You will quickly get tired of "See System Administrator" as the books solution to most problems. But, it has its pros and cons like everything else: Pros: -Faster backup/restore than BackupExec (We use disk pools and migrate to IBM MagStar 3590 tape library) -TDP 2.2 GUI is pretty simple. -The TSM database makes it easy to do Point-in-Time restores and eliminates the need for doing individual catalogs or inventories of tapes. Cons: -We have had problems restoring Exchange after data has been migrated from disk pool to tape pool. -Documentation sucks -No mailbox level backup (compared to Backup Exec). Have to restore to test/alternate server and export mailbox, though process is much faster than a full restore w/ BackupExec. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tivoli
We switched from BackupExec to TSM. For us, it took awhile to get it setup properly because it was completely new to us, and the documentation Sucks. You will quickly get tired of "See System Administrator" as the books solution to most problems. But, it has its pros and cons like everything else: Pros: -Faster backup/restore than BackupExec (We use disk pools and migrate to IBM MagStar 3590 tape library) -TDP 2.2 GUI is pretty simple. -The TSM database makes it easy to do Point-in-Time restores and eliminates the need for doing individual catalogs or inventories of tapes. Cons: -We have had problems restoring Exchange after data has been migrated from disk pool to tape pool. -Documentation sucks -No mailbox level backup (compared to Backup Exec). Have to restore to test/alternate server and export mailbox, though process is much faster than a full restore w/ BackupExec. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tivoli
TDP v2.2 does support Exchange 2000. Please take a look at: http://www.tivoli.com/support/storage_mgr/tdp_ms.html for more information. Regarding the TDP product itself, there were some issues in the 1.0 and 1.1 release of the product last year and were fixed with the release 1.1.1 in January of 2000. We have been using it to backup our Exchange Server for the last 8 months and have performed multiple restores without any problem (mailbox recovery etc.). In my opinion, this is a solid product that integrates well with Tivoli's Enterprise Backup solution. my $0.02 Ramesh _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tivoli
That's scary. As far as I know TSM was using BackupExec's agent to backup Exchange up to 1.5-2 years ago. Now they have their own module. We were looking at it about 8 months ago and they didn't have any plans for Exchange 2000 yet. So we shied away from it. Still at Backup Exec here and hoping to go to CommVault. S -Original Message- From: Elmerick, Ralph H. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Tivoli Importance: High We had a problem with restore back in April. The release of the product we had did not back up the logs properly. It would back up the logs first and then the rest of the datastores and by the time the backups were done new logs were written out but did not get backed up. Therefore we could not restore the server when it crashed. They have since fixed the problem and we are now using it for our backup solution just make sure you have these patches on. Ralph Elmerick NT & Exchange Administrator Information Systems Technical Principal 330-471-3409 | -Original Message- | From: Semiglia, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:45 AM | To: Exchange Discussions | Subject: FW: Tivoli | | | Hi, | | We use TSM/TDP here and it works pretty good now. The great | advantage is | that you have centralized backup. We were however having a | problem with an | earlier client. It would restore the database, and it would | stay up long | enough to pull off a mailbox or two, then become | unresponsive. We had to | update to the new version of TDP for Exchange to get it to work. I was | disappointed with the response we got from Tivoli on the | issue. Just make | sure to do some rigorous restore testing prior to implementing in | production. | | | Michael Semiglia | | | | -Original Message- | From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:37 PM | To: Exchange Discussions | Subject: RE: Tivoli | | | I'm just going off what the TSM engineer and sales person told me. | | -Original Message- | From: Ramesh Viswanathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:25 PM | To: Exchange Discussions | Subject: RE: Tivoli | | | I hope we are taking about Tivoli Storage Manager (TSM) | product. We have | been using TSM's Data Protection for Microsoft Exchange | product for backing | up our Exchange Server for quite sometime now. This is NOT a | third party | product and is under active development by Tivoli. | | I would recommend that you search the TSM mailing list archives at: | http://www.adsm.org to get a better feedback on this product. | | We have not had any problems with it and it integrates well | with the rest of | the TSM product. You can also take a look at the documentation at: | http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/pubs/pdfs/redbooks/sg246147.pdf | | Ramesh | | -Original Message- | From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 4:13 PM | To: Exchange Discussions | Subject: RE: Tivoli | | | I don't have any real good experiences with Tivoli but I went | to a detailed | presentation. It seemed pricey, and they told me that the | actual product in | Tivoli that backed up the Exchange stuff was 3rd party software. That | really bugged me for some reason, why would I buy a backup | solution for | Exchange when the Exchange portion wasn't even written by | that company. We | also looked at CommVault and Net Backup, we went with CommVault. | | But you never know, it may be a great product. I don't think they had | message level granulation either, but I could be wrong. | | e | | -Original Message- | From: Osborn, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:03 PM | To: Exchange Discussions | Subject: Tivoli | | Our shop is about to start implementing Tivoli for backing up our file | servers and we (the Exchange group) have been asked if we | want to go along, | as well. We are currently on Argserve 6.5 SP2, so it seems | like a good plan. | | They/we did look at Veritas, but it was too pricey. Tivoli is | looking good | from our testing, but we were wondering what experiences | other shops have | had (are having) with Tivoli backup. | | Thanks. | | Joel K. Osborn | Information Systems Technical Specialist | Wisconsin Department of Transportation [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | _ | List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm | Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp | To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | _ | List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm | Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch
RE: Tivoli
We had a problem with restore back in April. The release of the product we had did not back up the logs properly. It would back up the logs first and then the rest of the datastores and by the time the backups were done new logs were written out but did not get backed up. Therefore we could not restore the server when it crashed. They have since fixed the problem and we are now using it for our backup solution just make sure you have these patches on. Ralph Elmerick NT & Exchange Administrator Information Systems Technical Principal 330-471-3409 | -Original Message- | From: Semiglia, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:45 AM | To: Exchange Discussions | Subject: FW: Tivoli | | | Hi, | | We use TSM/TDP here and it works pretty good now. The great | advantage is | that you have centralized backup. We were however having a | problem with an | earlier client. It would restore the database, and it would | stay up long | enough to pull off a mailbox or two, then become | unresponsive. We had to | update to the new version of TDP for Exchange to get it to work. I was | disappointed with the response we got from Tivoli on the | issue. Just make | sure to do some rigorous restore testing prior to implementing in | production. | | | Michael Semiglia | | | | -Original Message- | From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:37 PM | To: Exchange Discussions | Subject: RE: Tivoli | | | I'm just going off what the TSM engineer and sales person told me. | | -Original Message- | From: Ramesh Viswanathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:25 PM | To: Exchange Discussions | Subject: RE: Tivoli | | | I hope we are taking about Tivoli Storage Manager (TSM) | product. We have | been using TSM's Data Protection for Microsoft Exchange | product for backing | up our Exchange Server for quite sometime now. This is NOT a | third party | product and is under active development by Tivoli. | | I would recommend that you search the TSM mailing list archives at: | http://www.adsm.org to get a better feedback on this product. | | We have not had any problems with it and it integrates well | with the rest of | the TSM product. You can also take a look at the documentation at: | http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/pubs/pdfs/redbooks/sg246147.pdf | | Ramesh | | -Original Message- | From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 4:13 PM | To: Exchange Discussions | Subject: RE: Tivoli | | | I don't have any real good experiences with Tivoli but I went | to a detailed | presentation. It seemed pricey, and they told me that the | actual product in | Tivoli that backed up the Exchange stuff was 3rd party software. That | really bugged me for some reason, why would I buy a backup | solution for | Exchange when the Exchange portion wasn't even written by | that company. We | also looked at CommVault and Net Backup, we went with CommVault. | | But you never know, it may be a great product. I don't think they had | message level granulation either, but I could be wrong. | | e | | -Original Message- | From: Osborn, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:03 PM | To: Exchange Discussions | Subject: Tivoli | | Our shop is about to start implementing Tivoli for backing up our file | servers and we (the Exchange group) have been asked if we | want to go along, | as well. We are currently on Argserve 6.5 SP2, so it seems | like a good plan. | | They/we did look at Veritas, but it was too pricey. Tivoli is | looking good | from our testing, but we were wondering what experiences | other shops have | had (are having) with Tivoli backup. | | Thanks. | | Joel K. Osborn | Information Systems Technical Specialist | Wisconsin Department of Transportation [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | _ | List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm | Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp | To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | _ | List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm | Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp | To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | _ | List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm | Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp | To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/r
RE: Tivoli
No fears. Rigorous testing is on the docket. ...Joel -Original Message- From: Semiglia, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: FW: Tivoli Hi, We use TSM/TDP here and it works pretty good now. The great advantage is that you have centralized backup. We were however having a problem with an earlier client. It would restore the database, and it would stay up long enough to pull off a mailbox or two, then become unresponsive. We had to update to the new version of TDP for Exchange to get it to work. I was disappointed with the response we got from Tivoli on the issue. Just make sure to do some rigorous restore testing prior to implementing in production. Michael Semiglia -Original Message- From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Tivoli I'm just going off what the TSM engineer and sales person told me. -Original Message- From: Ramesh Viswanathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Tivoli I hope we are taking about Tivoli Storage Manager (TSM) product. We have been using TSM's Data Protection for Microsoft Exchange product for backing up our Exchange Server for quite sometime now. This is NOT a third party product and is under active development by Tivoli. I would recommend that you search the TSM mailing list archives at: http://www.adsm.org to get a better feedback on this product. We have not had any problems with it and it integrates well with the rest of the TSM product. You can also take a look at the documentation at: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/pubs/pdfs/redbooks/sg246147.pdf Ramesh -Original Message- From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 4:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Tivoli I don't have any real good experiences with Tivoli but I went to a detailed presentation. It seemed pricey, and they told me that the actual product in Tivoli that backed up the Exchange stuff was 3rd party software. That really bugged me for some reason, why would I buy a backup solution for Exchange when the Exchange portion wasn't even written by that company. We also looked at CommVault and Net Backup, we went with CommVault. But you never know, it may be a great product. I don't think they had message level granulation either, but I could be wrong. e -Original Message- From: Osborn, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Tivoli Our shop is about to start implementing Tivoli for backing up our file servers and we (the Exchange group) have been asked if we want to go along, as well. We are currently on Argserve 6.5 SP2, so it seems like a good plan. They/we did look at Veritas, but it was too pricey. Tivoli is looking good from our testing, but we were wondering what experiences other shops have had (are having) with Tivoli backup. Thanks. Joel K. Osborn Information Systems Technical Specialist Wisconsin Department of Transportation [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tivoli
I'm just going off what the TSM engineer and sales person told me. -Original Message- From: Ramesh Viswanathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Tivoli I hope we are taking about Tivoli Storage Manager (TSM) product. We have been using TSM's Data Protection for Microsoft Exchange product for backing up our Exchange Server for quite sometime now. This is NOT a third party product and is under active development by Tivoli. I would recommend that you search the TSM mailing list archives at: http://www.adsm.org to get a better feedback on this product. We have not had any problems with it and it integrates well with the rest of the TSM product. You can also take a look at the documentation at: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/pubs/pdfs/redbooks/sg246147.pdf Ramesh -Original Message- From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 4:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Tivoli I don't have any real good experiences with Tivoli but I went to a detailed presentation. It seemed pricey, and they told me that the actual product in Tivoli that backed up the Exchange stuff was 3rd party software. That really bugged me for some reason, why would I buy a backup solution for Exchange when the Exchange portion wasn't even written by that company. We also looked at CommVault and Net Backup, we went with CommVault. But you never know, it may be a great product. I don't think they had message level granulation either, but I could be wrong. e -Original Message- From: Osborn, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Tivoli Our shop is about to start implementing Tivoli for backing up our file servers and we (the Exchange group) have been asked if we want to go along, as well. We are currently on Argserve 6.5 SP2, so it seems like a good plan. They/we did look at Veritas, but it was too pricey. Tivoli is looking good from our testing, but we were wondering what experiences other shops have had (are having) with Tivoli backup. Thanks. Joel K. Osborn Information Systems Technical Specialist Wisconsin Department of Transportation [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tivoli
I hope we are taking about Tivoli Storage Manager (TSM) product. We have been using TSM's Data Protection for Microsoft Exchange product for backing up our Exchange Server for quite sometime now. This is NOT a third party product and is under active development by Tivoli. I would recommend that you search the TSM mailing list archives at: http://www.adsm.org to get a better feedback on this product. We have not had any problems with it and it integrates well with the rest of the TSM product. You can also take a look at the documentation at: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/pubs/pdfs/redbooks/sg246147.pdf Ramesh -Original Message- From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 4:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Tivoli I don't have any real good experiences with Tivoli but I went to a detailed presentation. It seemed pricey, and they told me that the actual product in Tivoli that backed up the Exchange stuff was 3rd party software. That really bugged me for some reason, why would I buy a backup solution for Exchange when the Exchange portion wasn't even written by that company. We also looked at CommVault and Net Backup, we went with CommVault. But you never know, it may be a great product. I don't think they had message level granulation either, but I could be wrong. e -Original Message- From: Osborn, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Tivoli Our shop is about to start implementing Tivoli for backing up our file servers and we (the Exchange group) have been asked if we want to go along, as well. We are currently on Argserve 6.5 SP2, so it seems like a good plan. They/we did look at Veritas, but it was too pricey. Tivoli is looking good from our testing, but we were wondering what experiences other shops have had (are having) with Tivoli backup. Thanks. Joel K. Osborn Information Systems Technical Specialist Wisconsin Department of Transportation [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tivoli
I don't have any real good experiences with Tivoli but I went to a detailed presentation. It seemed pricey, and they told me that the actual product in Tivoli that backed up the Exchange stuff was 3rd party software. That really bugged me for some reason, why would I buy a backup solution for Exchange when the Exchange portion wasn't even written by that company. We also looked at CommVault and Net Backup, we went with CommVault. But you never know, it may be a great product. I don't think they had message level granulation either, but I could be wrong. e -Original Message- From: Osborn, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Tivoli Our shop is about to start implementing Tivoli for backing up our file servers and we (the Exchange group) have been asked if we want to go along, as well. We are currently on Argserve 6.5 SP2, so it seems like a good plan. They/we did look at Veritas, but it was too pricey. Tivoli is looking good from our testing, but we were wondering what experiences other shops have had (are having) with Tivoli backup. Thanks. Joel K. Osborn Information Systems Technical Specialist Wisconsin Department of Transportation [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
