synchronizing OWA with OST or PST
Anyone know of a utility that you can install on the OWA server or client that will download emails from the Exchange server and place them in your OST or PST? And then upload changes to the Exchange Server? I'm looking for a way to bypass the synchronization required for people that work offline. If you could point me to a website that would be great.. I've been searching all morning and came up with a few calendar sync programs.. but nothing that does actual emails. Thanks in advance. Wilson Varghese NT Systems Manager KMV, LLC Office: (415)229-0726 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST
What's wrong with the OST synchronization process? > -Original Message- > From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:18 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > Anyone know of a utility that you can install on the OWA > server or client that will download emails from the Exchange > server and place them in your OST or PST? And then upload > changes to the Exchange Server? I'm looking for a way to > bypass the synchronization required for people that work offline. > > If you could point me to a website that would be great.. I've > been searching all morning and came up with a few calendar > sync programs.. but nothing that does actual emails. > > Thanks in advance. > > Wilson Varghese > NT Systems Manager > KMV, LLC > Office: (415)229-0726 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST
No. This is a significant and long standing deficiency in OWA, and probably an entrepreneurial opportunity similar to the one that ASL (now a part of Extended Systems) worked on. One could do it two ways - stupidly or neatly. The stupid way would be to pull the data from the OWA U/I. The neat way would be to build an extension to the OWA server that made the synch data available to a browser plug-in, which in turn would update any of several local stores. A good implementation would support the following stores at a minimum: .OST Pocket PC and Pocket PC 2002 Palm/Handspring I doubt that it is worth doing a .PST synchronizer. If you stop and think about it, it is really lame that a PDA can't call Exchange, look at the store contents in a browser, and then synch anything that is worth the bandwidth cost (time and money). This is especially true if you consider something like a "Stinger" phone. If someone out there decides to build this, call me. -Original Message- From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Anyone know of a utility that you can install on the OWA server or client that will download emails from the Exchange server and place them in your OST or PST? And then upload changes to the Exchange Server? I'm looking for a way to bypass the synchronization required for people that work offline. If you could point me to a website that would be great.. I've been searching all morning and came up with a few calendar sync programs.. but nothing that does actual emails. Thanks in advance. Wilson Varghese NT Systems Manager KMV, LLC Office: (415)229-0726 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST
Yeah, if anyone decides to write this program, call me too.. I'll pay for it :) Wilson Varghese NT Systems Manager KMV, LLC Office: (415)229-0726 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST No. This is a significant and long standing deficiency in OWA, and probably an entrepreneurial opportunity similar to the one that ASL (now a part of Extended Systems) worked on. One could do it two ways - stupidly or neatly. The stupid way would be to pull the data from the OWA U/I. The neat way would be to build an extension to the OWA server that made the synch data available to a browser plug-in, which in turn would update any of several local stores. A good implementation would support the following stores at a minimum: .OST Pocket PC and Pocket PC 2002 Palm/Handspring I doubt that it is worth doing a .PST synchronizer. If you stop and think about it, it is really lame that a PDA can't call Exchange, look at the store contents in a browser, and then synch anything that is worth the bandwidth cost (time and money). This is especially true if you consider something like a "Stinger" phone. If someone out there decides to build this, call me. -Original Message- From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Anyone know of a utility that you can install on the OWA server or client that will download emails from the Exchange server and place them in your OST or PST? And then upload changes to the Exchange Server? I'm looking for a way to bypass the synchronization required for people that work offline. If you could point me to a website that would be great.. I've been searching all morning and came up with a few calendar sync programs.. but nothing that does actual emails. Thanks in advance. Wilson Varghese NT Systems Manager KMV, LLC Office: (415)229-0726 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST
Well, I have to disagree. OWA is designed to be web-based mail that can be accessed from anywhere. OSTs/PSTs and such are chained to a specific desktop which defeats the purpose of using OWA. Plus, if you had OWA synching with stuff, you wouldn't be getting around the OST synchronization problems. You'll just be tranporting your problems to a different platform. If you can set up the pocket PC to be an IMAP client, you would be able to achieve what you described. I don't have a pocket PC so I can't test if this can be done or not [1]. S. [1] Help a poor admin out. Donate to "iPaq for Serdar" fund today! -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST No. This is a significant and long standing deficiency in OWA, and probably an entrepreneurial opportunity similar to the one that ASL (now a part of Extended Systems) worked on. One could do it two ways - stupidly or neatly. The stupid way would be to pull the data from the OWA U/I. The neat way would be to build an extension to the OWA server that made the synch data available to a browser plug-in, which in turn would update any of several local stores. A good implementation would support the following stores at a minimum: .OST Pocket PC and Pocket PC 2002 Palm/Handspring I doubt that it is worth doing a .PST synchronizer. If you stop and think about it, it is really lame that a PDA can't call Exchange, look at the store contents in a browser, and then synch anything that is worth the bandwidth cost (time and money). This is especially true if you consider something like a "Stinger" phone. If someone out there decides to build this, call me. -Original Message- From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Anyone know of a utility that you can install on the OWA server or client that will download emails from the Exchange server and place them in your OST or PST? And then upload changes to the Exchange Server? I'm looking for a way to bypass the synchronization required for people that work offline. If you could point me to a website that would be great.. I've been searching all morning and came up with a few calendar sync programs.. but nothing that does actual emails. Thanks in advance. Wilson Varghese NT Systems Manager KMV, LLC Office: (415)229-0726 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST
You should be able to synch what you can see, if synching makes sense. But, the problem goes deeper than that. Both OWA and PDA's are about the exact same general problem set. That is, "how do I get access to my data when I am not at my desk?" To suggest that OWA should not provide good service to PDA clients is to condemn the product as having no future. I don't think that any of us want that. What do you think the view would be over at Wal-Mart of Target? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Well, I have to disagree. OWA is designed to be web-based mail that can be accessed from anywhere. OSTs/PSTs and such are chained to a specific desktop which defeats the purpose of using OWA. Plus, if you had OWA synching with stuff, you wouldn't be getting around the OST synchronization problems. You'll just be tranporting your problems to a different platform. If you can set up the pocket PC to be an IMAP client, you would be able to achieve what you described. I don't have a pocket PC so I can't test if this can be done or not [1]. S. [1] Help a poor admin out. Donate to "iPaq for Serdar" fund today! -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST No. This is a significant and long standing deficiency in OWA, and probably an entrepreneurial opportunity similar to the one that ASL (now a part of Extended Systems) worked on. One could do it two ways - stupidly or neatly. The stupid way would be to pull the data from the OWA U/I. The neat way would be to build an extension to the OWA server that made the synch data available to a browser plug-in, which in turn would update any of several local stores. A good implementation would support the following stores at a minimum: .OST Pocket PC and Pocket PC 2002 Palm/Handspring I doubt that it is worth doing a .PST synchronizer. If you stop and think about it, it is really lame that a PDA can't call Exchange, look at the store contents in a browser, and then synch anything that is worth the bandwidth cost (time and money). This is especially true if you consider something like a "Stinger" phone. If someone out there decides to build this, call me. -Original Message- From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Anyone know of a utility that you can install on the OWA server or client that will download emails from the Exchange server and place them in your OST or PST? And then upload changes to the Exchange Server? I'm looking for a way to bypass the synchronization required for people that work offline. If you could point me to a website that would be great.. I've been searching all morning and came up with a few calendar sync programs.. but nothing that does actual emails. Thanks in advance. Wilson Varghese NT Systems Manager KMV, LLC Office: (415)229-0726 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST
What I'm trying to say is that currently the technology is available to "access my data when I am not at my desk". As long as you have a wireless modem in your PDA, you can A. Browse to OWA. B. Connect directly to Exchange via POP3. So, from the PDAs you can access your data. If they already have IMAP, then you can pick and choose what you want to download to your PDA when you're on the road. Then when you're back on the network you can simply synch your PDA again. If you have your OWA available on the Internet, then you can "access your data" even from a kiosk in an airport. All I'm saying is there is no need to force a web front end to synchronize with an offline copy of your mailbox when you can directly connect to the back-end database. S. PS: These are my personal views. If you want the official position of Kmart on the subject, you'll need to contact our Corporate Communications, I am not authorized to talk about that. What they think at Wal-mart or Target or any other company doesn't have any relevance to the discussion here. Countering the argument by saying "you're wrong because your company is in bad shape" is quite childish. -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST You should be able to synch what you can see, if synching makes sense. But, the problem goes deeper than that. Both OWA and PDA's are about the exact same general problem set. That is, "how do I get access to my data when I am not at my desk?" To suggest that OWA should not provide good service to PDA clients is to condemn the product as having no future. I don't think that any of us want that. What do you think the view would be over at Wal-Mart of Target? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Well, I have to disagree. OWA is designed to be web-based mail that can be accessed from anywhere. OSTs/PSTs and such are chained to a specific desktop which defeats the purpose of using OWA. Plus, if you had OWA synching with stuff, you wouldn't be getting around the OST synchronization problems. You'll just be tranporting your problems to a different platform. If you can set up the pocket PC to be an IMAP client, you would be able to achieve what you described. I don't have a pocket PC so I can't test if this can be done or not [1]. S. [1] Help a poor admin out. Donate to "iPaq for Serdar" fund today! -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST No. This is a significant and long standing deficiency in OWA, and probably an entrepreneurial opportunity similar to the one that ASL (now a part of Extended Systems) worked on. One could do it two ways - stupidly or neatly. The stupid way would be to pull the data from the OWA U/I. The neat way would be to build an extension to the OWA server that made the synch data available to a browser plug-in, which in turn would update any of several local stores. A good implementation would support the following stores at a minimum: .OST Pocket PC and Pocket PC 2002 Palm/Handspring I doubt that it is worth doing a .PST synchronizer. If you stop and think about it, it is really lame that a PDA can't call Exchange, look at the store contents in a browser, and then synch anything that is worth the bandwidth cost (time and money). This is especially true if you consider something like a "Stinger" phone. If someone out there decides to build this, call me. -Original Message- From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Anyone know of a utility that you can install on the OWA server or client that will download emails from the Exchange server and place them in your OST or PST? And then upload changes to the Exchange Server? I'm looking for a way to bypass the synchronization required for people that work offline. If you could point me to a website that would be great.. I've been searching all morning and came up with a few calendar sync programs.. but nothing that does actual emails. Thanks in advance. Wilson Varghese NT Systems Manager KMV, LLC Office: (415)229-0726 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EM
RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST
Actually, although it is quite small and requires you to move around the screen a lot, I just did what Serdar suggested. Threw an Ethernet card in my iPaq and went straight to the OWA...logged in and it worked like a charm! -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST What I'm trying to say is that currently the technology is available to "access my data when I am not at my desk". As long as you have a wireless modem in your PDA, you can A. Browse to OWA. B. Connect directly to Exchange via POP3. So, from the PDAs you can access your data. If they already have IMAP, then you can pick and choose what you want to download to your PDA when you're on the road. Then when you're back on the network you can simply synch your PDA again. If you have your OWA available on the Internet, then you can "access your data" even from a kiosk in an airport. All I'm saying is there is no need to force a web front end to synchronize with an offline copy of your mailbox when you can directly connect to the back-end database. S. PS: These are my personal views. If you want the official position of Kmart on the subject, you'll need to contact our Corporate Communications, I am not authorized to talk about that. What they think at Wal-mart or Target or any other company doesn't have any relevance to the discussion here. Countering the argument by saying "you're wrong because your company is in bad shape" is quite childish. -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST You should be able to synch what you can see, if synching makes sense. But, the problem goes deeper than that. Both OWA and PDA's are about the exact same general problem set. That is, "how do I get access to my data when I am not at my desk?" To suggest that OWA should not provide good service to PDA clients is to condemn the product as having no future. I don't think that any of us want that. What do you think the view would be over at Wal-Mart of Target? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Well, I have to disagree. OWA is designed to be web-based mail that can be accessed from anywhere. OSTs/PSTs and such are chained to a specific desktop which defeats the purpose of using OWA. Plus, if you had OWA synching with stuff, you wouldn't be getting around the OST synchronization problems. You'll just be tranporting your problems to a different platform. If you can set up the pocket PC to be an IMAP client, you would be able to achieve what you described. I don't have a pocket PC so I can't test if this can be done or not [1]. S. [1] Help a poor admin out. Donate to "iPaq for Serdar" fund today! -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST No. This is a significant and long standing deficiency in OWA, and probably an entrepreneurial opportunity similar to the one that ASL (now a part of Extended Systems) worked on. One could do it two ways - stupidly or neatly. The stupid way would be to pull the data from the OWA U/I. The neat way would be to build an extension to the OWA server that made the synch data available to a browser plug-in, which in turn would update any of several local stores. A good implementation would support the following stores at a minimum: .OST Pocket PC and Pocket PC 2002 Palm/Handspring I doubt that it is worth doing a .PST synchronizer. If you stop and think about it, it is really lame that a PDA can't call Exchange, look at the store contents in a browser, and then synch anything that is worth the bandwidth cost (time and money). This is especially true if you consider something like a "Stinger" phone. If someone out there decides to build this, call me. -Original Message- From: Varghese, Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Anyone know of a utility that you can install on the OWA server or client that will download emails from the Exchange server and place them in your OST or PST? And then upload changes to the Exchange Server? I'm looking for a way to bypass the synchronization required for people that work offline. If you could point me to a website that would be great.. I've been searching all morning and came up with a few cale
RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST
Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just like a MAPI session, you should be able to do a synch while in browse mode on OWA. I don't get it. Why are you guys arguing in favor of keeping a small and extremely useful feature out of the product? Is it a "we're tough, we can take it" sort of thing, or what? Or maybe it is that you've bought into the view that small machines should only be used as companions to "real" machines. Sheesh, I thought that attitude died back in the 80's when the mainframe crowd tried to convince everyone that OV, HP Desk and All-In-1 were the "real" workgroup messaging systems, and that LAN mail should be relegated to simple departmental messaging only tasks. It's amazing. The PC guys have grown up to become the dinosaurs that they displaced. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Actually, although it is quite small and requires you to move around the screen a lot, I just did what Serdar suggested. Threw an Ethernet card in my iPaq and went straight to the OWA...logged in and it worked like a charm! -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST What I'm trying to say is that currently the technology is available to "access my data when I am not at my desk". As long as you have a wireless modem in your PDA, you can A. Browse to OWA. B. Connect directly to Exchange via POP3. So, from the PDAs you can access your data. If they already have IMAP, then you can pick and choose what you want to download to your PDA when you're on the road. Then when you're back on the network you can simply synch your PDA again. If you have your OWA available on the Internet, then you can "access your data" even from a kiosk in an airport. All I'm saying is there is no need to force a web front end to synchronize with an offline copy of your mailbox when you can directly connect to the back-end database. S. PS: These are my personal views. If you want the official position of Kmart on the subject, you'll need to contact our Corporate Communications, I am not authorized to talk about that. What they think at Wal-mart or Target or any other company doesn't have any relevance to the discussion here. Countering the argument by saying "you're wrong because your company is in bad shape" is quite childish. -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST You should be able to synch what you can see, if synching makes sense. But, the problem goes deeper than that. Both OWA and PDA's are about the exact same general problem set. That is, "how do I get access to my data when I am not at my desk?" To suggest that OWA should not provide good service to PDA clients is to condemn the product as having no future. I don't think that any of us want that. What do you think the view would be over at Wal-Mart of Target? -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Well, I have to disagree. OWA is designed to be web-based mail that can be accessed from anywhere. OSTs/PSTs and such are chained to a specific desktop which defeats the purpose of using OWA. Plus, if you had OWA synching with stuff, you wouldn't be getting around the OST synchronization problems. You'll just be tranporting your problems to a different platform. If you can set up the pocket PC to be an IMAP client, you would be able to achieve what you described. I don't have a pocket PC so I can't test if this can be done or not [1]. S. [1] Help a poor admin out. Donate to "iPaq for Serdar" fund today! -----Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST No. This is a significant and long standing deficiency in OWA, and probably an entrepreneurial opportunity similar to the one that ASL (now a part of Extended Systems) worked on. One could do it two ways - stupidly or neatly. The stupid way would be to pull the data from the OWA U/I. The neat way would be to build an extension to the OWA server that made the synch data available to a browser plug-in, which in turn would update any of several local stores. A good implementation would support the following stores at a minimum: .OST Pocket PC
RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST
Well, they're now in "bug-fix mode" as you've read, so there's a general moratorium on desired feature updates as well as the more numerous "you want this--trust us" stuff. Probably worth the wait -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just like a MAPI session, you should be able to do a synch while in browse mode on OWA. I don't get it. Why are you guys arguing in favor of keeping a small and extremely useful feature out of the product? Is it a "we're tough, we can take it" sort of thing, or what? Or maybe it is that you've bought into the view that small machines should only be used as companions to "real" machines. Sheesh, I thought that attitude died back in the 80's when the mainframe crowd tried to convince everyone that OV, HP Desk and All-In-1 were the "real" workgroup messaging systems, and that LAN mail should be relegated to simple departmental messaging only tasks. It's amazing. The PC guys have grown up to become the dinosaurs that they displaced. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Actually, although it is quite small and requires you to move around the screen a lot, I just did what Serdar suggested. Threw an Ethernet card in my iPaq and went straight to the OWA...logged in and it worked like a charm! -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST What I'm trying to say is that currently the technology is available to "access my data when I am not at my desk". As long as you have a wireless modem in your PDA, you can A. Browse to OWA. B. Connect directly to Exchange via POP3. So, from the PDAs you can access your data. If they already have IMAP, then you can pick and choose what you want to download to your PDA when you're on the road. Then when you're back on the network you can simply synch your PDA again. If you have your OWA available on the Internet, then you can "access your data" even from a kiosk in an airport. All I'm saying is there is no need to force a web front end to synchronize with an offline copy of your mailbox when you can directly connect to the back-end database. S. PS: These are my personal views. If you want the official position of Kmart on the subject, you'll need to contact our Corporate Communications, I am not authorized to talk about that. What they think at Wal-mart or Target or any other company doesn't have any relevance to the discussion here. Countering the argument by saying "you're wrong because your company is in bad shape" is quite childish. -Original Message----- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST You should be able to synch what you can see, if synching makes sense. But, the problem goes deeper than that. Both OWA and PDA's are about the exact same general problem set. That is, "how do I get access to my data when I am not at my desk?" To suggest that OWA should not provide good service to PDA clients is to condemn the product as having no future. I don't think that any of us want that. What do you think the view would be over at Wal-Mart of Target? -----Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Well, I have to disagree. OWA is designed to be web-based mail that can be accessed from anywhere. OSTs/PSTs and such are chained to a specific desktop which defeats the purpose of using OWA. Plus, if you had OWA synching with stuff, you wouldn't be getting around the OST synchronization problems. You'll just be tranporting your problems to a different platform. If you can set up the pocket PC to be an IMAP client, you would be able to achieve what you described. I don't have a pocket PC so I can't test if this can be done or not [1]. S. [1] Help a poor admin out. Donate to "iPaq for Serdar" fund today! -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST No. This is a significant and long standing deficiency in OWA, and probably an entrepreneurial opportunity similar to the one that ASL (now a pa
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I'm waiting to be able to synchronize my 32-terabyte PST to my PDA. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant Compaq Computer Corporation Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dillon, Jeff Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Well, they're now in "bug-fix mode" as you've read, so there's a general moratorium on desired feature updates as well as the more numerous "you want this--trust us" stuff. Probably worth the wait -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just like a MAPI session, you should be able to do a synch while in browse mode on OWA. I don't get it. Why are you guys arguing in favor of keeping a small and extremely useful feature out of the product? Is it a "we're tough, we can take it" sort of thing, or what? Or maybe it is that you've bought into the view that small machines should only be used as companions to "real" machines. Sheesh, I thought that attitude died back in the 80's when the mainframe crowd tried to convince everyone that OV, HP Desk and All-In-1 were the "real" workgroup messaging systems, and that LAN mail should be relegated to simple departmental messaging only tasks. It's amazing. The PC guys have grown up to become the dinosaurs that they displaced. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Actually, although it is quite small and requires you to move around the screen a lot, I just did what Serdar suggested. Threw an Ethernet card in my iPaq and went straight to the OWA...logged in and it worked like a charm! -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST What I'm trying to say is that currently the technology is available to "access my data when I am not at my desk". As long as you have a wireless modem in your PDA, you can A. Browse to OWA. B. Connect directly to Exchange via POP3. So, from the PDAs you can access your data. If they already have IMAP, then you can pick and choose what you want to download to your PDA when you're on the road. Then when you're back on the network you can simply synch your PDA again. If you have your OWA available on the Internet, then you can "access your data" even from a kiosk in an airport. All I'm saying is there is no need to force a web front end to synchronize with an offline copy of your mailbox when you can directly connect to the back-end database. S. PS: These are my personal views. If you want the official position of Kmart on the subject, you'll need to contact our Corporate Communications, I am not authorized to talk about that. What they think at Wal-mart or Target or any other company doesn't have any relevance to the discussion here. Countering the argument by saying "you're wrong because your company is in bad shape" is quite childish. -Original Message----- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST You should be able to synch what you can see, if synching makes sense. But, the problem goes deeper than that. Both OWA and PDA's are about the exact same general problem set. That is, "how do I get access to my data when I am not at my desk?" To suggest that OWA should not provide good service to PDA clients is to condemn the product as having no future. I don't think that any of us want that. What do you think the view would be over at Wal-Mart of Target? -----Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Well, I have to disagree. OWA is designed to be web-based mail that can be accessed from anywhere. OSTs/PSTs and such are chained to a specific desktop which defeats the purpose of using OWA. Plus, if you had OWA synching with stuff, you wouldn't be getting around the OST synchronization problems. You'll just be tranporting your problems to a different platform. If you can set up the pocket PC to be an IMAP client, you would be able to achieve what you described. I don't have a pocket PC so I can't test if this can be done or
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I'm waiting for the iPaq with 6GB drive so I can get rid of my laptop. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST I'm waiting to be able to synchronize my 32-terabyte PST to my PDA. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant Compaq Computer Corporation Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dillon, Jeff Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Well, they're now in "bug-fix mode" as you've read, so there's a general moratorium on desired feature updates as well as the more numerous "you want this--trust us" stuff. Probably worth the wait -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just like a MAPI session, you should be able to do a synch while in browse mode on OWA. I don't get it. Why are you guys arguing in favor of keeping a small and extremely useful feature out of the product? Is it a "we're tough, we can take it" sort of thing, or what? Or maybe it is that you've bought into the view that small machines should only be used as companions to "real" machines. Sheesh, I thought that attitude died back in the 80's when the mainframe crowd tried to convince everyone that OV, HP Desk and All-In-1 were the "real" workgroup messaging systems, and that LAN mail should be relegated to simple departmental messaging only tasks. It's amazing. The PC guys have grown up to become the dinosaurs that they displaced. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Actually, although it is quite small and requires you to move around the screen a lot, I just did what Serdar suggested. Threw an Ethernet card in my iPaq and went straight to the OWA...logged in and it worked like a charm! -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST What I'm trying to say is that currently the technology is available to "access my data when I am not at my desk". As long as you have a wireless modem in your PDA, you can A. Browse to OWA. B. Connect directly to Exchange via POP3. So, from the PDAs you can access your data. If they already have IMAP, then you can pick and choose what you want to download to your PDA when you're on the road. Then when you're back on the network you can simply synch your PDA again. If you have your OWA available on the Internet, then you can "access your data" even from a kiosk in an airport. All I'm saying is there is no need to force a web front end to synchronize with an offline copy of your mailbox when you can directly connect to the back-end database. S. PS: These are my personal views. If you want the official position of Kmart on the subject, you'll need to contact our Corporate Communications, I am not authorized to talk about that. What they think at Wal-mart or Target or any other company doesn't have any relevance to the discussion here. Countering the argument by saying "you're wrong because your company is in bad shape" is quite childish. -----Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST You should be able to synch what you can see, if synching makes sense. But, the problem goes deeper than that. Both OWA and PDA's are about the exact same general problem set. That is, "how do I get access to my data when I am not at my desk?" To suggest that OWA should not provide good service to PDA clients is to condemn the product as having no future. I don't think that any of us want that. What do you think the view would be over at Wal-Mart of Target? -----Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Well, I have to disagree. OWA is designed to be web-based mail that can be accessed from anywhere. OSTs/PSTs and such are chained to a specific desktop which defeats the purpose of using OWA. Plus, if you had OWA synching with stuff, you wouldn't be getting around the OST synchronization
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Something like this perhaps? http://www.mail-resources.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&; sid=85 > -Original Message- > From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:53 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > I'm waiting for the iPaq with 6GB drive so I can get rid of my laptop. > > -Original Message- > From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:09 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > I'm waiting to be able to synchronize my 32-terabyte PST to my PDA. > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I > Tech Consultant > Compaq Computer Corporation > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dillon, Jeff > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:40 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > Well, they're now in "bug-fix mode" as you've read, so > there's a general moratorium on desired feature updates as > well as the more numerous "you want this--trust us" stuff. > Probably worth the wait > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just > like a MAPI session, you should be able to do a synch while > in browse mode on OWA. > > I don't get it. Why are you guys arguing in favor of keeping > a small and extremely useful feature out of the product? Is > it a "we're tough, we can take it" sort of thing, or what? > > Or maybe it is that you've bought into the view that small > machines should > only be used as companions to "real" machines. Sheesh, I > thought that > attitude died back in the 80's when the mainframe crowd tried > to convince everyone that OV, HP Desk and All-In-1 were the > "real" workgroup messaging systems, and that LAN mail should > be relegated to simple departmental messaging only tasks. > > It's amazing. The PC guys have grown up to become the > dinosaurs that they displaced. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:56 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > Actually, although it is quite small and requires you to move > around the screen a lot, I just did what Serdar suggested. > Threw an Ethernet card in my iPaq and went straight to the > OWA...logged in and it worked like a charm! > > -Original Message- > From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:04 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > > What I'm trying to say is that currently the technology is > available to "access my data when I am not at my desk". As > long as you have a wireless modem in your PDA, you can > > A. Browse to OWA. > B. Connect directly to Exchange via POP3. > > So, from the PDAs you can access your data. If they already > have IMAP, then you can pick and choose what you want to > download to your PDA when you're on the road. Then when > you're back on the network you can simply synch your PDA again. > > If you have your OWA available on the Internet, then you can > "access your data" even from a kiosk in an airport. > > All I'm saying is there is no need to force a web front end > to synchronize with an offline copy of your mailbox when you > can directly connect to the back-end database. > > > S. > > PS: These are my personal views. If you want the official > position of Kmart on the subject, you'll need to contact our > Corporate Communications, I am not authorized to talk about > that. What they think at Wal-mart or Target or any other > company doesn't have any relevance to the discussion here. > > Countering the argument by saying "you're wrong because your > company is in bad shape" is quite childish. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:45 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST &
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The Adaptec 1460T type II SCSI card has CE drivers for it. One can even read and write to a SCSI array if that's what makes one's blood run hot, but then that's hardly the point is it? But look, it's not about getting rid of a laptop. It's about enabling people to get the most out of a platform that fits their needs. Lots of people are doing most of their computing work on so called PDA sized devices. Many of these people are folks that would not bother if they had to carry a bigger box. If one is looking for an area where sales are driven by new market opportunities as opposed to simply upgrading and replacing an existing installed base, then the small machines is where it's at. The PC hit its Zenith two years ago and has started down. At this point it can only lose ground as the platform of choice for meeting new requirements. Besides, Wintel makes a lousy phone. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Something like this perhaps? http://www.mail-resources.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&; sid=85 > -Original Message- > From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:53 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > I'm waiting for the iPaq with 6GB drive so I can get rid of my laptop. > > -Original Message- > From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:09 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > I'm waiting to be able to synchronize my 32-terabyte PST to my PDA. > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I > Tech Consultant > Compaq Computer Corporation > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dillon, Jeff > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:40 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > Well, they're now in "bug-fix mode" as you've read, so > there's a general moratorium on desired feature updates as > well as the more numerous "you want this--trust us" stuff. > Probably worth the wait.... > > -Original Message- > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just > like a MAPI session, you should be able to do a synch while > in browse mode on OWA. > > I don't get it. Why are you guys arguing in favor of keeping > a small and extremely useful feature out of the product? Is > it a "we're tough, we can take it" sort of thing, or what? > > Or maybe it is that you've bought into the view that small > machines should > only be used as companions to "real" machines. Sheesh, I > thought that > attitude died back in the 80's when the mainframe crowd tried > to convince everyone that OV, HP Desk and All-In-1 were the > "real" workgroup messaging systems, and that LAN mail should > be relegated to simple departmental messaging only tasks. > > It's amazing. The PC guys have grown up to become the > dinosaurs that they displaced. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:56 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > Actually, although it is quite small and requires you to move > around the screen a lot, I just did what Serdar suggested. > Threw an Ethernet card in my iPaq and went straight to the > OWA...logged in and it worked like a charm! > > -Original Message- > From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:04 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > > What I'm trying to say is that currently the technology is > available to "access my data when I am not at my desk". As > long as you have a wireless modem in your PDA, you can > > A. Browse to OWA. > B. Connect directly to Exchange via POP3. > > So, from the PDAs you can access your data. If they already > have IMAP, then you can pick and choose what you want to > download to your PDA when you're on the road. Then when > you're back on the network you can
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> -Original Message- > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just like a MAPI > session, you should be able to do a synch while in browse > mode on OWA. > I'm puzzled by this approach, Craig. Let's say you're at an airport kiosk. You're going to download the synch file, then what? Copy it to a floppy? What if it's more that 1.44MB? What if the kiosk doesn't have a floppy drive? If you're using a PDA, how do you transfer the file to there? OTOH, let's say you're hooked into a WLAN in the Executive Lounge from your own laptop or PDA. You can then fire up your VPN software, connect into your LAN and synch using the copy of Outlook on your PC. If you don't use Outlook, as many others have pointed out, you can use an IMAP client. Synchronization to an OST presumes that you have Outlook installed, so why re-create the wheel? OWA was built to be run from any browser anywhere (I can even convince Opera to load it if I work at it), but like most Web-based services, presumes a connection for the duration of the session. > I don't get it. Why are you guys arguing in favor of keeping > a small and > extremely useful feature out of the product? Is it a "we're > tough, we can > take it" sort of thing, or what? > Implementation of this isn't trivial, and there already exist multiple better ways to do what you want. So why would Microsoft spend money developing another one? > Or maybe it is that you've bought into the view that small > machines should > only be used as companions to "real" machines. Well, no. If you have an IMAP/MAPI client and a Web browser on your handheld you're in good shape. But your Web browser sucks as a mailtool, so why not use the IMAP/MAPI client? > Sheesh, I > thought that > attitude died back in the 80's when the mainframe crowd tried > to convince > everyone that OV, HP Desk and All-In-1 were the "real" > workgroup messaging > systems, and that LAN mail should be relegated to simple departmental > messaging only tasks. > > It's amazing. The PC guys have grown up to become the > dinosaurs that they > displaced. > I resent that implication. I have not become a PDP/11. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Umm ...there's away to sync via OWA to say another machine? at all? I thought OWA was stricktly a browser thing'y -Original Message- From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > -Original Message- > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just like a MAPI > session, you should be able to do a synch while in browse > mode on OWA. > I'm puzzled by this approach, Craig. Let's say you're at an airport kiosk. You're going to download the synch file, then what? Copy it to a floppy? What if it's more that 1.44MB? What if the kiosk doesn't have a floppy drive? If you're using a PDA, how do you transfer the file to there? OTOH, let's say you're hooked into a WLAN in the Executive Lounge from your own laptop or PDA. You can then fire up your VPN software, connect into your LAN and synch using the copy of Outlook on your PC. If you don't use Outlook, as many others have pointed out, you can use an IMAP client. Synchronization to an OST presumes that you have Outlook installed, so why re-create the wheel? OWA was built to be run from any browser anywhere (I can even convince Opera to load it if I work at it), but like most Web-based services, presumes a connection for the duration of the session. > I don't get it. Why are you guys arguing in favor of keeping > a small and > extremely useful feature out of the product? Is it a "we're > tough, we can > take it" sort of thing, or what? > Implementation of this isn't trivial, and there already exist multiple better ways to do what you want. So why would Microsoft spend money developing another one? > Or maybe it is that you've bought into the view that small > machines should > only be used as companions to "real" machines. Well, no. If you have an IMAP/MAPI client and a Web browser on your handheld you're in good shape. But your Web browser sucks as a mailtool, so why not use the IMAP/MAPI client? > Sheesh, I > thought that > attitude died back in the 80's when the mainframe crowd tried > to convince > everyone that OV, HP Desk and All-In-1 were the "real" > workgroup messaging > systems, and that LAN mail should be relegated to simple departmental > messaging only tasks. > > It's amazing. The PC guys have grown up to become the > dinosaurs that they > displaced. > I resent that implication. I have not become a PDP/11. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I thought the new Pocket PC (2002) had sync-via-HTTP which kind-of makes the OWA specific sync unnecessary - assuming you are syncing a PDA. I suppose there may be some offline-notebook implication, but then you would also need a local client. Perhaps the subject should be OWA-Sync and leave the OST/PST out since they really belong to the fat-client Mark **Plus Pack for OWA 2000 **SecureLogoff for OWA 2000 http://www.messageware.com -Original Message- From: Exchange Discussions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 4:22 PM To: Mark Rotman; Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Umm ...there's away to sync via OWA to say another machine? at all? I thought OWA was stricktly a browser thing'y -Original Message- From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > -Original Message- > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just like a MAPI > session, you should be able to do a synch while in browse > mode on OWA.> I'm puzzled by this approach, Craig. Let's say you're at an airport kiosk. You're going to download the synch file, then what? Copy it to a floppy? What if it's more that 1.44MB? What if the kiosk doesn't have a floppy drive? If you're using a PDA, how do you transfer the file to there? OTOH, let's say you're hooked into a WLAN in the Executive Lounge from your own laptop or PDA. You can then fire up your VPN software, connect into your LAN and synch using the copy of Outlook on your PC. If you don't use Outlook, as many others have pointed out, you can use an IMAP client. Synchronization to an OST presumes that you have Outlook installed, so why re-create the wheel? OWA was built to be run from any browser anywhere (I can even convince Opera to load it if I work at it), but like most Web-based services, presumes a connection for the duration of the session. > I don't get it. Why are you guys arguing in favor of keeping > a small and > extremely useful feature out of the product? Is it a "we're > tough, we can > take it" sort of thing, or what? > Implementation of this isn't trivial, and there already exist multiple better ways to do what you want. So why would Microsoft spend money developing another one? > Or maybe it is that you've bought into the view that small > machines should > only be used as companions to "real" machines. Well, no. If you have an IMAP/MAPI client and a Web browser on your handheld you're in good shape. But your Web browser sucks as a mailtool, so why not use the IMAP/MAPI client? > Sheesh, I > thought that > attitude died back in the 80's when the mainframe crowd tried > to convince > everyone that OV, HP Desk and All-In-1 were the "real" > workgroup messaging > systems, and that LAN mail should be relegated to simple departmental > messaging only tasks. > > It's amazing. The PC guys have grown up to become the > dinosaurs that they > displaced. > I resent that implication. I have not become a PDP/11. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST
A little behind on your reading Bill? Serdar Soysal -Original Message- From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > -Original Message- > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just like a MAPI > session, you should be able to do a synch while in browse mode on OWA. > I'm puzzled by this approach, Craig. Let's say you're at an airport kiosk. You're going to download the synch file, then what? Copy it to a floppy? What if it's more that 1.44MB? What if the kiosk doesn't have a floppy drive? If you're using a PDA, how do you transfer the file to there? OTOH, let's say you're hooked into a WLAN in the Executive Lounge from your own laptop or PDA. You can then fire up your VPN software, connect into your LAN and synch using the copy of Outlook on your PC. If you don't use Outlook, as many others have pointed out, you can use an IMAP client. Synchronization to an OST presumes that you have Outlook installed, so why re-create the wheel? OWA was built to be run from any browser anywhere (I can even convince Opera to load it if I work at it), but like most Web-based services, presumes a connection for the duration of the session. > I don't get it. Why are you guys arguing in favor of keeping > a small and > extremely useful feature out of the product? Is it a "we're > tough, we can > take it" sort of thing, or what? > Implementation of this isn't trivial, and there already exist multiple better ways to do what you want. So why would Microsoft spend money developing another one? > Or maybe it is that you've bought into the view that small > machines should > only be used as companions to "real" machines. Well, no. If you have an IMAP/MAPI client and a Web browser on your handheld you're in good shape. But your Web browser sucks as a mailtool, so why not use the IMAP/MAPI client? > Sheesh, I > thought that > attitude died back in the 80's when the mainframe crowd tried > to convince > everyone that OV, HP Desk and All-In-1 were the "real" > workgroup messaging > systems, and that LAN mail should be relegated to simple departmental > messaging only tasks. > > It's amazing. The PC guys have grown up to become the > dinosaurs that they > displaced. > I resent that implication. I have not become a PDP/11. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST
Umm yes behind on my reading.. OK 6GB drive for your Ipaq hey? well I have one of those users. Yup he got the 3850...It still was not enough for him. So he bought the dual slot expansion sleeve...then goes out and gets himself one of the PCMCIA mircodrives + the modem to hook to his cell phone..Downloads about every piece of software out there for the thing. And has the lovely need to call me even on the weekend about it at all hours..nice guy..too much coffee ;-) Now I get a call about every two day's or so about syncing his 3850 to the system. at this point all Ive got to give him is the OWA. SO...Hey I tried reading all the threads...My brain is still missing something. Is there really a way to sync thru OWA? I get the pop/smtp/VPN thing...just not using it yet/at all. Yes I'm gullible...humor me... think of it as flipper boy isn't all there today... There isn't a way to sync via OWA right? Bill "Ive forgotten more then I'll ever know" -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 3:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST I'm waiting for the iPaq with 6GB drive so I can get rid of my laptop. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST I'm waiting to be able to synchronize my 32-terabyte PST to my PDA. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant Compaq Computer Corporation Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dillon, Jeff Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Well, they're now in "bug-fix mode" as you've read, so there's a general moratorium on desired feature updates as well as the more numerous "you want this--trust us" stuff. Probably worth the wait -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just like a MAPI session, you should be able to do a synch while in browse mode on OWA. I don't get it. Why are you guys arguing in favor of keeping a small and extremely useful feature out of the product? Is it a "we're tough, we can take it" sort of thing, or what? Or maybe it is that you've bought into the view that small machines should only be used as companions to "real" machines. Sheesh, I thought that attitude died back in the 80's when the mainframe crowd tried to convince everyone that OV, HP Desk and All-In-1 were the "real" workgroup messaging systems, and that LAN mail should be relegated to simple departmental messaging only tasks. It's amazing. The PC guys have grown up to become the dinosaurs that they displaced. -Original Message----- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Actually, although it is quite small and requires you to move around the screen a lot, I just did what Serdar suggested. Threw an Ethernet card in my iPaq and went straight to the OWA...logged in and it worked like a charm! -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST What I'm trying to say is that currently the technology is available to "access my data when I am not at my desk". As long as you have a wireless modem in your PDA, you can A. Browse to OWA. B. Connect directly to Exchange via POP3. So, from the PDAs you can access your data. If they already have IMAP, then you can pick and choose what you want to download to your PDA when you're on the road. Then when you're back on the network you can simply synch your PDA again. If you have your OWA available on the Internet, then you can "access your data" even from a kiosk in an airport. All I'm saying is there is no need to force a web front end to synchronize with an offline copy of your mailbox when you can directly connect to the back-end database. S. PS: These are my personal views. If you want the official position of Kmart on the subject, you'll need to contact our Corporate Communications, I am not authorized to talk about that. What they think at Wal-mart or Target or any other company doesn't have any relevance to the discussion here. Countering the argument by saying "you're wrong because your company is in bad shape"
RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST
Jumping Jiminey. I guess I am. It's just that Dupler fellow. I get all excited. -- be - MOS "This is Vergon 6." -Professor "Bah." -Amy "It's a sunny little doomed planet, inhabited by a number of frisky little doomed animals." -Professor > -Original Message- > From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 5:58 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > A little behind on your reading Bill? > > Serdar Soysal > > > -Original Message- > From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:43 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > > > > Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just > like a MAPI > > session, you should be able to do a synch while in browse > mode on OWA. > > > I'm puzzled by this approach, Craig. > > Let's say you're at an airport kiosk. You're going to > download the synch > file, then what? Copy it to a floppy? What if it's more that > 1.44MB? What if > the kiosk doesn't have a floppy drive? If you're using a PDA, > how do you > transfer the file to there? > > OTOH, let's say you're hooked into a WLAN in the Executive > Lounge from your > own laptop or PDA. You can then fire up your VPN software, > connect into your > LAN and synch using the copy of Outlook on your PC. If you don't use > Outlook, as many others have pointed out, you can use an IMAP client. > > Synchronization to an OST presumes that you have Outlook > installed, so why > re-create the wheel? OWA was built to be run from any browser > anywhere (I > can even convince Opera to load it if I work at it), but like > most Web-based > services, presumes a connection for the duration of the session. > > > > I don't get it. Why are you guys arguing in favor of keeping > > a small and > > extremely useful feature out of the product? Is it a "we're > > tough, we can > > take it" sort of thing, or what? > > > > Implementation of this isn't trivial, and there already exist multiple > better ways to do what you want. So why would Microsoft spend money > developing another one? > > > Or maybe it is that you've bought into the view that small > > machines should > > only be used as companions to "real" machines. > > Well, no. If you have an IMAP/MAPI client and a Web browser > on your handheld > you're in good shape. But your Web browser sucks as a > mailtool, so why not > use the IMAP/MAPI client? > > > Sheesh, I > > thought that > > attitude died back in the 80's when the mainframe crowd tried > > to convince > > everyone that OV, HP Desk and All-In-1 were the "real" > > workgroup messaging > > systems, and that LAN mail should be relegated to simple > departmental > > messaging only tasks. > > > > It's amazing. The PC guys have grown up to become the > > dinosaurs that they > > displaced. > > > > I resent that implication. I have not become a PDP/11. > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well I thought this had died with everyone having made their points, but apparently not. I thought that last response to my post was so off the point that it only underscored what I had said. I think this is where systems architects and operations folks have their most difficult problems in communicating with each other. It is ok for an operations view to be pressed that suggests that given the current technology using a specific approach is a best practice. However, that does not translate into where it is best to take the product. MAPI is a painful legacy at this point. I don't think anyone is suggesting that it should be ported to any other platform, including the Pocket PC and Windows CE families. We don't want it, and neither does Microsoft. That creates an interesting situation. Should the services in MAPI that go beyond what is currently in IMAP4 and OWA be extended to other platforms or not, and if so, how? This is where I got bent. There was a rabid non-thinking defense of the status quo: a sort of I'm not giving up my MAPI until you pull my cold dead fingers from my keyboard" approach. That attitude is not defensible. About the only technology arguments that I respect less than those that start "Linux is best . . ." or "Apple is best . . ." are the ones that start "Microsoft is best . . ." Exchange is a superior product because it is mostly very pragmatic in its design. When this stops to be true, it's roadkill, and so are the sys admins that make their living off of it. I don't think that is in the best interests of anyone on this list. Evolving trends in security systems suggest that the one high level protocol that looks like it has the best shot at transiting the greatest number of transport links, and being useful for the widest possible number of non-streaming media applications is http. Similarly, the well equipped browser has displaced all other offerings and attempts to build platform neutral systems that still work well with market-centric systems (i.e. Wintel). This can only lead to one conclusion. MAPI clients are not strategic. They have at best a limited future. The premier client protocol for Exchange, if it is to survive, has to be http. Get over it. Adapt and thrive. -Original Message- From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Jumping Jiminey. I guess I am. It's just that Dupler fellow. I get all excited. -- be - MOS "This is Vergon 6." -Professor "Bah." -Amy "It's a sunny little doomed planet, inhabited by a number of frisky little doomed animals." -Professor > -Original Message- > From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 5:58 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > A little behind on your reading Bill? > > Serdar Soysal > > > -Original Message- > From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:43 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > > > > Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just > like a MAPI > > session, you should be able to do a synch while in browse > mode on OWA. > > > I'm puzzled by this approach, Craig. > > Let's say you're at an airport kiosk. You're going to > download the synch > file, then what? Copy it to a floppy? What if it's more that > 1.44MB? What if > the kiosk doesn't have a floppy drive? If you're using a PDA, > how do you > transfer the file to there? > > OTOH, let's say you're hooked into a WLAN in the Executive > Lounge from your > own laptop or PDA. You can then fire up your VPN software, > connect into your > LAN and synch using the copy of Outlook on your PC. If you don't use > Outlook, as many others have pointed out, you can use an IMAP client. > > Synchronization to an OST presumes that you have Outlook > installed, so why > re-create the wheel? OWA was built to be run from any browser > anywhere (I > can even convince Opera to load it if I work at it), but like > most Web-based > services, presumes a connection for the duration of the session. > > > > I don't get it. Why are you guys arguing in favor of keeping > > a small and > > extremely useful feature out of the product? Is it a &q
RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST
Not yet. There are several solutions that work, but not directly. You can leave a MAPI client (Outlook) running on a PC and do a remote synch to that. Any network connection will work. You can use the Extended Systems synch server. You can use any of several UM servers. None of these work like a regular MAPI client in which you synch as an accessory or menu item to a message store browser. -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Umm yes behind on my reading.. OK 6GB drive for your Ipaq hey? well I have one of those users. Yup he got the 3850...It still was not enough for him. So he bought the dual slot expansion sleeve...then goes out and gets himself one of the PCMCIA mircodrives + the modem to hook to his cell phone..Downloads about every piece of software out there for the thing. And has the lovely need to call me even on the weekend about it at all hours..nice guy..too much coffee ;-) Now I get a call about every two day's or so about syncing his 3850 to the system. at this point all Ive got to give him is the OWA. SO...Hey I tried reading all the threads...My brain is still missing something. Is there really a way to sync thru OWA? I get the pop/smtp/VPN thing...just not using it yet/at all. Yes I'm gullible...humor me... think of it as flipper boy isn't all there today... There isn't a way to sync via OWA right? Bill "Ive forgotten more then I'll ever know" -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 3:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST I'm waiting for the iPaq with 6GB drive so I can get rid of my laptop. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST I'm waiting to be able to synchronize my 32-terabyte PST to my PDA. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant Compaq Computer Corporation Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dillon, Jeff Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Well, they're now in "bug-fix mode" as you've read, so there's a general moratorium on desired feature updates as well as the more numerous "you want this--trust us" stuff. Probably worth the wait -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just like a MAPI session, you should be able to do a synch while in browse mode on OWA. I don't get it. Why are you guys arguing in favor of keeping a small and extremely useful feature out of the product? Is it a "we're tough, we can take it" sort of thing, or what? Or maybe it is that you've bought into the view that small machines should only be used as companions to "real" machines. Sheesh, I thought that attitude died back in the 80's when the mainframe crowd tried to convince everyone that OV, HP Desk and All-In-1 were the "real" workgroup messaging systems, and that LAN mail should be relegated to simple departmental messaging only tasks. It's amazing. The PC guys have grown up to become the dinosaurs that they displaced. -Original Message----- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Actually, although it is quite small and requires you to move around the screen a lot, I just did what Serdar suggested. Threw an Ethernet card in my iPaq and went straight to the OWA...logged in and it worked like a charm! -Original Message- From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST What I'm trying to say is that currently the technology is available to "access my data when I am not at my desk". As long as you have a wireless modem in your PDA, you can A. Browse to OWA. B. Connect directly to Exchange via POP3. So, from the PDAs you can access your data. If they already have IMAP, then you can pick and choose what you want to download to your PDA when you're on the road. Then when you're back on the network you can simply synch your PDA again. If you have your OWA available on the Internet, then you can "access your data" even from a kiosk in an airport. All
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I thought Microsoft had some MAPI over HTTP plans some time ago. Even Outlook XP was supposed to be like that. Or was XP supposed to be a mini-Exchange server synching with the mothership? Whatever happenned to all those rumors? -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Well I thought this had died with everyone having made their points, but apparently not. I thought that last response to my post was so off the point that it only underscored what I had said. I think this is where systems architects and operations folks have their most difficult problems in communicating with each other. It is ok for an operations view to be pressed that suggests that given the current technology using a specific approach is a best practice. However, that does not translate into where it is best to take the product. MAPI is a painful legacy at this point. I don't think anyone is suggesting that it should be ported to any other platform, including the Pocket PC and Windows CE families. We don't want it, and neither does Microsoft. That creates an interesting situation. Should the services in MAPI that go beyond what is currently in IMAP4 and OWA be extended to other platforms or not, and if so, how? This is where I got bent. There was a rabid non-thinking defense of the status quo: a sort of I'm not giving up my MAPI until you pull my cold dead fingers from my keyboard" approach. That attitude is not defensible. About the only technology arguments that I respect less than those that start "Linux is best . . ." or "Apple is best . . ." are the ones that start "Microsoft is best . . ." Exchange is a superior product because it is mostly very pragmatic in its design. When this stops to be true, it's roadkill, and so are the sys admins that make their living off of it. I don't think that is in the best interests of anyone on this list. Evolving trends in security systems suggest that the one high level protocol that looks like it has the best shot at transiting the greatest number of transport links, and being useful for the widest possible number of non-streaming media applications is http. Similarly, the well equipped browser has displaced all other offerings and attempts to build platform neutral systems that still work well with market-centric systems (i.e. Wintel). This can only lead to one conclusion. MAPI clients are not strategic. They have at best a limited future. The premier client protocol for Exchange, if it is to survive, has to be http. Get over it. Adapt and thrive. -Original Message- From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Jumping Jiminey. I guess I am. It's just that Dupler fellow. I get all excited. -- be - MOS "This is Vergon 6." -Professor "Bah." -Amy "It's a sunny little doomed planet, inhabited by a number of frisky little doomed animals." -Professor > -Original Message- > From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 5:58 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > A little behind on your reading Bill? > > Serdar Soysal > > > -Original Message- > From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:43 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > > > > Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just > like a MAPI > > session, you should be able to do a synch while in browse > mode on OWA. > > > I'm puzzled by this approach, Craig. > > Let's say you're at an airport kiosk. You're going to > download the synch > file, then what? Copy it to a floppy? What if it's more that > 1.44MB? What if > the kiosk doesn't have a floppy drive? If you're using a PDA, > how do you > transfer the file to there? > > OTOH, let's say you're hooked into a WLAN in the Executive > Lounge from your > own laptop or PDA. You can then fire up your VPN software, > connect into your > LAN and synch using the copy of Outlook on your PC. If you don't use > Outlook, as many others have pointed out, you can use an IMAP client. > > Synchronization to an OST presumes that you have Outlook > installed, so why
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I think we are waiting to be amazed. I suspect that a little more clarity on the part of the customer community in terms of what we need would help. -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST I thought Microsoft had some MAPI over HTTP plans some time ago. Even Outlook XP was supposed to be like that. Or was XP supposed to be a mini-Exchange server synching with the mothership? Whatever happenned to all those rumors? -Original Message- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Well I thought this had died with everyone having made their points, but apparently not. I thought that last response to my post was so off the point that it only underscored what I had said. I think this is where systems architects and operations folks have their most difficult problems in communicating with each other. It is ok for an operations view to be pressed that suggests that given the current technology using a specific approach is a best practice. However, that does not translate into where it is best to take the product. MAPI is a painful legacy at this point. I don't think anyone is suggesting that it should be ported to any other platform, including the Pocket PC and Windows CE families. We don't want it, and neither does Microsoft. That creates an interesting situation. Should the services in MAPI that go beyond what is currently in IMAP4 and OWA be extended to other platforms or not, and if so, how? This is where I got bent. There was a rabid non-thinking defense of the status quo: a sort of I'm not giving up my MAPI until you pull my cold dead fingers from my keyboard" approach. That attitude is not defensible. About the only technology arguments that I respect less than those that start "Linux is best . . ." or "Apple is best . . ." are the ones that start "Microsoft is best . . ." Exchange is a superior product because it is mostly very pragmatic in its design. When this stops to be true, it's roadkill, and so are the sys admins that make their living off of it. I don't think that is in the best interests of anyone on this list. Evolving trends in security systems suggest that the one high level protocol that looks like it has the best shot at transiting the greatest number of transport links, and being useful for the widest possible number of non-streaming media applications is http. Similarly, the well equipped browser has displaced all other offerings and attempts to build platform neutral systems that still work well with market-centric systems (i.e. Wintel). This can only lead to one conclusion. MAPI clients are not strategic. They have at best a limited future. The premier client protocol for Exchange, if it is to survive, has to be http. Get over it. Adapt and thrive. -Original Message- From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Jumping Jiminey. I guess I am. It's just that Dupler fellow. I get all excited. -- be - MOS "This is Vergon 6." -Professor "Bah." -Amy "It's a sunny little doomed planet, inhabited by a number of frisky little doomed animals." -Professor > -Original Message- > From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 5:58 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > A little behind on your reading Bill? > > Serdar Soysal > > > -Original Message- > From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:43 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > > > > Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just > like a MAPI > > session, you should be able to do a synch while in browse > mode on OWA. > > > I'm puzzled by this approach, Craig. > > Let's say you're at an airport kiosk. You're going to > download the synch > file, then what? Copy it to a floppy? What if it's more that > 1.44MB? What if > the kiosk doesn't have a floppy drive? If you're using a PDA, > how do you > transfer the file to there? > > OTOH, let's say you're hooked into a WLAN in the Executive >
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> -Original Message- > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:32 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > Well I thought this had died with everyone having made their > points, but > apparently not. I thought that last response to my post was > so off the > point that it only underscored what I had said. Well isn't that flattering. > > I think this is where systems architects and operations folks > have their > most difficult problems in communicating with each other. It > is ok for an > operations view to be pressed that suggests that given the current > technology using a specific approach is a best practice. > However, that does > not translate into where it is best to take the product. > Agreed. > MAPI is a painful legacy at this point. I don't think anyone > is suggesting > that it should be ported to any other platform, including the > Pocket PC and > Windows CE families. We don't want it, and neither does > Microsoft. That > creates an interesting situation. Should the services in MAPI that go > beyond what is currently in IMAP4 and OWA be extended to > other platforms or > not, and if so, how? > Well of course. Dropping MAPI without providing more functionality would be just silly. > This is where I got bent. There was a rabid non-thinking > defense of the > status quo: a sort of I'm not giving up my MAPI until you > pull my cold dead > fingers from my keyboard" approach. That attitude is not defensible. > About the only technology arguments that I respect less than > those that > start "Linux is best . . ." or "Apple is best . . ." are the > ones that start > "Microsoft is best . . ." Exchange is a superior product > because it is > mostly very pragmatic in its design. When this stops to be true, it's > roadkill, and so are the sys admins that make their living > off of it. I > don't think that is in the best interests of anyone on this list. Well I hope you don't think I feel that way. I tend to be fairly platform-neutral, although I will admit that so far Microsoft has written the best client for Exchange. > > Evolving trends in security systems suggest that the one high > level protocol > that looks like it has the best shot at transiting the > greatest number of > transport links, and being useful for the widest possible number of > non-streaming media applications is http. Similarly, the > well equipped > browser has displaced all other offerings and attempts to > build platform > neutral systems that still work well with market-centric systems (i.e. > Wintel). Interesting perspective, but I don't see the basis for your conclusions. Sure, port 80 is passed by most firewalls, but it is also highly insecure, stateless, and has significant overhead (SSL, of course, still has the latter two problems with even more overhead). Similarly, the "well-equipped browser" has so far failed to replace certain applications - word processors, spreadsheets, and mailtools among them. The average browser does not have facilities built into it which can do local storage or indexing, and these are things that you need. I find it significant that Microsoft has _not_ tried to fold their mailtool into Internet Explorer, instead bundling it as a seperate application (Outlook Express). So I would have to say that both http and Web browsers have too many historical restraints to effectively do what you want. > This can only lead to one conclusion. MAPI clients are not > strategic. They > have at best a limited future. The premier client protocol > for Exchange, if > it is to survive, has to be http. Get over it. Adapt and thrive. > I'd be willing to bet you a dollar that the successor to MAPI will not be http. Microsoft may decide to embrace and extend IMAP, or may design a new protocol from the ground up. And the client will run as a seperate process, not in the browser (unless it's as an ActiveX component). I'd say actually that we are starting to move away from the "run everything in a browser" mentality. I'm finally starting to see some exceptional programming done in Java although of course if you want speed and reliability you still stick with one of the C variants. Browsers are great for applets - I appreciate the capability to interface with a router through one - but in the end are a bit too Procrustean for my tastes. > > -Original Message- > From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:25 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > &g
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Ok, just for snicks, let's say we have agree on most things up to this point, let's drill on one of them a tad more. As a starting point, let me pick one thing you said Bill, and start with that. " . . . although I will admit that so far Microsoft has written the best client for Exchange." I don't disagree. Although I had a lot of issues with the way David operated independently and in effect torpedoed Capone (the old Exchange client), Outlook has gotten a lot better and most of the early issues that I had with it have been resolved. It finally got type ahead buffers (WordStar had them back in the '80s), but it probably is safe to say that right now, Outlook is the bet that is available. But, does that make it either good or what we need? Those are two very different questions. Almost anything can be defined as good, if you put it in the right context. And certainly in the case of Outlook there is an obvious "right' context:" a legacy Wintel box. Unfortunately, that is both a diminishing percentage of the total universe of client devices, and it is not the platform of choice for most new business process support. This latter point is the one that counts. In most industries, where there is an automation element to a new process improvement effort, the focus tends to be on better integration of back-end systems, and on simplified highly mobile clients with embedded systems (typically CE, Palm, Wind River or something proprietary). The point of neutrality among these new systems, if they have a "head" (as opposed to headless devices), tends to be a browser. That is where the vast majority of critical process improvement work is happening. This varies from one industry to another, but it is amazingly consistent. We are a combination of engineering, manufacturing, and product support services company. A lot of our automation support for engineering process improvement is happening in the Unix world, with some Wintel on the client side. But in manufacturing and customer/product support, high mobility is everything. In the other areas, there is some minor amount of innovation on Win2K tablets and Wintel boxes in places like tool cribs; but most of the focus is on PDA's, smart cell phones, CE tablets, CE data collection tools and even custom built special purpose CE boxes. MAPI does nothing for me in almost anything that is new. In fact, Exchange functionality being locked into MAPI is one of the bigger obstacles I have to overcome. The right answer has to be in a browser and run on top of http. It's the only thing that cuts across enough of what I need to support to make it worthwhile. That is not an operations nor a techie requirement. It is a business requirement. Now here is where it gets vicious. Think back into the 1980's pr early 90's when the mainframe boys and girls just did not get it. Back then, virtually 100% of automation support for business process improvement was on the PC. The problem was the the value stream. There is a book by Clayton Christensen of the Harvard business school that should be required reading for everyone in a tech career. What happens with a mature technology (like the PC is now) that the techies that run it end up being the primary customer interface to the suppliers. Back when Microsoft was young and feisty, they tended to sell their product directly to where the business needs existed. Yes they also mad their pitch to IS managers and existing mid-range and host systems people, but their friends were the people out on the front lines supporting business innovation. That is no longer the case. Now their primary interface is to the tech weenies in operations, not the innovators. Where do most new development requirements for Exchange come from? Sadly, it is from the operations folks. In some ways, this is an amazing sign of how successful Exchange has been. But, in other ways it is a disaster. The last people that seem to really understand what it is that their companies need, are the IS operations folks who are experts in legacy or incumbent technologies. If this had not been the case, Novell would have put a useful API on Netware, or IBM would have ported OV to NT, and both would have happened well before their respective nemeses got off the ground. This is why Christensen titled his book "The Innovator's Dilemma." Read it. Then take the pulse of your business to find out where the current biggest leaps in productivity are occurring, and what the role of automation is. Then get on the band wagon to dump MAPI and move on to http. Otherwise, prepare to become a dinosaur. -Original Message- From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > -Original Message- > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >
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As in aroused? Me too. -Original Message- From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST Jumping Jiminey. I guess I am. It's just that Dupler fellow. I get all excited. -- be - MOS "This is Vergon 6." -Professor "Bah." -Amy "It's a sunny little doomed planet, inhabited by a number of frisky little doomed animals." -Professor > -Original Message- > From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 5:58 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > A little behind on your reading Bill? > > Serdar Soysal > > > -Original Message- > From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:43 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:33 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > > > > Yes, it works well. That was never the point. But, just > like a MAPI > > session, you should be able to do a synch while in browse > mode on OWA. > > > I'm puzzled by this approach, Craig. > > Let's say you're at an airport kiosk. You're going to > download the synch > file, then what? Copy it to a floppy? What if it's more that > 1.44MB? What if > the kiosk doesn't have a floppy drive? If you're using a PDA, > how do you > transfer the file to there? > > OTOH, let's say you're hooked into a WLAN in the Executive > Lounge from your > own laptop or PDA. You can then fire up your VPN software, > connect into your > LAN and synch using the copy of Outlook on your PC. If you don't use > Outlook, as many others have pointed out, you can use an IMAP client. > > Synchronization to an OST presumes that you have Outlook > installed, so why > re-create the wheel? OWA was built to be run from any browser > anywhere (I > can even convince Opera to load it if I work at it), but like > most Web-based > services, presumes a connection for the duration of the session. > > > > I don't get it. Why are you guys arguing in favor of keeping > > a small and > > extremely useful feature out of the product? Is it a "we're > > tough, we can > > take it" sort of thing, or what? > > > > Implementation of this isn't trivial, and there already exist multiple > better ways to do what you want. So why would Microsoft spend money > developing another one? > > > Or maybe it is that you've bought into the view that small > > machines should > > only be used as companions to "real" machines. > > Well, no. If you have an IMAP/MAPI client and a Web browser > on your handheld > you're in good shape. But your Web browser sucks as a > mailtool, so why not > use the IMAP/MAPI client? > > > Sheesh, I > > thought that > > attitude died back in the 80's when the mainframe crowd tried > > to convince > > everyone that OV, HP Desk and All-In-1 were the "real" > > workgroup messaging > > systems, and that LAN mail should be relegated to simple > departmental > > messaging only tasks. > > > > It's amazing. The PC guys have grown up to become the > > dinosaurs that they > > displaced. > > > > I resent that implication. I have not become a PDP/11. > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I know a site where they have pictures of Boeing employees administering mail systems. -- be - MOS A system meant for common use should rarely need uncommon knowledge. --Redford > -Original Message- > From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 7:28 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > As in aroused? Me too. > > > -Original Message- > From: East, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:25 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: synchronizing OWA with OST or PST > > > Jumping Jiminey. I guess I am. > > It's just that Dupler fellow. I get all excited. > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
