RE: Script/cmd line to dismount/remount 2007 DB

[Sobey, Richard A]

Just an addendum, I'll add that you can't Remove-MailboxDatabase whilst there 
are still mailboxes present in it.

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[mailto:bounce-9353955-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Tony 
Patton
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Subject: RE: Script/cmd line to dismount/remount 2007 DB


Thanks Joe,

I'll get it set up and see how it goes.

Thanks for the confirmation MBS.

T

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RE: Assigning Retention Policy by default?

[Michael B. Smith]

When you create new mailboxes with the GUI, you have the option of specifying 
the RP during the creation process. The same is true if you are using 
New-Mailbox or Enable-Mailbox.

It is possible to sorta trick-out default values for these things, but the 
process is poorly documented and, in general, I don't recommend it.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:19 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Assigning Retention Policy by default?

On Exchange 2003 I have a mailbox management policy that deletes items from the 
Deleted Items folder that are older than 30 days.

On 2010 it looks like I have to create a Recipient Policy Tag, assign that to a 
Rceipient Policy, and assign that policy to mailboxes or a database.

The only issue is that this appears to only affect mailboxes at the time of 
running the command, so if I apply it to all users on DB1 today, it won't be 
applied to a user created tomorrow on DB1.

How do you best deal with this please?

The only way I can think of is a scheduled task, but surely there has to be a 
simpler way as this seems a pretty obvious and fundamental thing to want to do?

Thanks,
Paul

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NetApp

[Ryan Finnesey]

I was hoping to get some general feedback from the group on NetApp
storage for larger Exchange deployments

 

Cheers

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RE: HP E5500 Appliance

[Ryan Finnesey]

Sorry I was not very clear.  it is just the mailbox store?

 

Cheers

Ryan

 

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP E5500 Appliance

 

I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. It's "two servers in a box".

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 8:05 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP E5500 Appliance

 

It is not a complete solution?  It is just a message store?

 

 

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 5:22 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP E5500 Appliance

 

HP does nothing except give you an automated installer.

 

Long-and-short - it's designed to be two-nodes of a three-node DAG. A
"message node".

 

Support 1000 - 5000 mailboxes, depending on load, replicate to the other
server in the shared chassis, and to a remote third node.

 

It includes no Exchange licenses nor CALs.

 

It's a slick package, but IMO, it's designed for hosters and for the
LORG.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 5:16 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP E5500 Appliance

 

Sounds very similar to something Azaleos might build and sell (Have not
looked at their current offerings but it feels like what they sold when
I worked there). - does HP do the full management of exchange - all of
the patching, BES stuff, break fix, Teir 2 and above stuff, or are they
more of a Teir3 or better call if you can't get it yourself deal?

 

Where is the break even on hardware and software CAL's for this vs.
going Hosted with Office 365? - that is if you don't need customer stuff
you cannot get in the cloud?

 

Looks like a quick simple install. Well tested and designed by MS and HP
- 

 

 

From: Phil Hershey [mailto:phers...@agia.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 4:19 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP E5500 Appliance

 

Take a little time and go to http://hp.feedroom.com.  Search on E5000.
It will come back with videos that are 10 minutes or shorter.  Start the
introduction, and it will cycle through them all with about 30 seconds
between them.

 

Basically an HP/MS co-developed and supported appliance that's a 2-blade
unit with 16 internal LFF 6G SAS drives.  Each blade is has Server 2008
R2 Enterprise and Exchange 2010 SP1 installed with a 2-copy DAG already
configured between the two blades.  Comes in base 16 TB or 32 TB models.
You can add expansion up to a total of 128 TB.  4-hour 24x7x365
hardware, OS and Exchange support included for 3 years.

 

For us that just leaves me with setting up a 2 server CAS/HT array in
each site.

 

 

From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 6:21 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP E5500 Appliance

 

Why are you looking at them? IE- what about them looks appealing?

 

From: Phil Hershey [mailto:phers...@agia.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 12:00 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: HP E5500 Appliance

 

Is anyone using the HP E5500 Exchange 2010 appliances?  We're looking at
a pair of them for our 2010 upgrade, and I'm very interested in hearing
any feedback.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

Philip Hershey

Carpinteria, CA 93013-2062

 

 

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RE: HP E5500 Appliance

[Michael B. Smith]

No, you can run whatever roles on the servers you want.

Regards,

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From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP E5500 Appliance

Sorry I was not very clear.  it is just the mailbox store?

Cheers
Ryan


From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP E5500 Appliance

I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. It's "two servers in a box".

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 8:05 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP E5500 Appliance

It is not a complete solution?  It is just a message store?



From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 5:22 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP E5500 Appliance

HP does nothing except give you an automated installer.

Long-and-short - it's designed to be two-nodes of a three-node DAG. A "message 
node".

Support 1000 - 5000 mailboxes, depending on load, replicate to the other server 
in the shared chassis, and to a remote third node.

It includes no Exchange licenses nor CALs.

It's a slick package, but IMO, it's designed for hosters and for the LORG.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 5:16 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP E5500 Appliance

Sounds very similar to something Azaleos might build and sell (Have not looked 
at their current offerings but it feels like what they sold when I worked 
there). - does HP do the full management of exchange - all of the patching, BES 
stuff, break fix, Teir 2 and above stuff, or are they more of a Teir3 or better 
call if you can't get it yourself deal?

Where is the break even on hardware and software CAL's for this vs. going 
Hosted with Office 365? - that is if you don't need customer stuff you cannot 
get in the cloud?

Looks like a quick simple install. Well tested and designed by MS and HP -


From: Phil Hershey [mailto:phers...@agia.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 4:19 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP E5500 Appliance

Take a little time and go to http://hp.feedroom.com.  Search on E5000.  It will 
come back with videos that are 10 minutes or shorter.  Start the introduction, 
and it will cycle through them all with about 30 seconds between them.

Basically an HP/MS co-developed and supported appliance that's a 2-blade unit 
with 16 internal LFF 6G SAS drives.  Each blade is has Server 2008 R2 
Enterprise and Exchange 2010 SP1 installed with a 2-copy DAG already configured 
between the two blades.  Comes in base 16 TB or 32 TB models.  You can add 
expansion up to a total of 128 TB.  4-hour 24x7x365 hardware, OS and Exchange 
support included for 3 years.

For us that just leaves me with setting up a 2 server CAS/HT array in each site.


From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 6:21 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP E5500 Appliance

Why are you looking at them? IE- what about them looks appealing?

From: Phil Hershey [mailto:phers...@agia.com]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 12:00 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: HP E5500 Appliance

Is anyone using the HP E5500 Exchange 2010 appliances?  We're looking at a pair 
of them for our 2010 upgrade, and I'm very interested in hearing any feedback.

Thanks.



Philip Hershey
Carpinteria, CA 93013-2062



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RE: NetApp

[Young, Darren]

We have 6500 staff/faculty/student and 18,000 alum mailboxes on a FAS 3040 
pair. Exchange 2010 on ESX 4.0i via iSCSI.

We use de-dupe on all the Exchange volumes as well. Looking to OnTAP 8 to start 
using compression as well on them.

If you have any specific questions, let me know.

Rock solid, performs well.


From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:31 AM
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Subject: NetApp

I was hoping to get some general feedback from the group on NetApp storage for 
larger Exchange deployments

Cheers
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Re: NetApp

[David]

Today's not the best day to ask.  We lost our array yesterday afternoon for
8 hours.  Granted, that's unusual, and I haven't heard from the
infrastructure guys what they thought the cause was.  I just have a bias
against any storage system I can't just replace a disk on and reboot it.
I'd rather just have a giant box with regular RAID arrays.

David


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RE: Public Folder with OWA

[Prayer Solanky]

Hi All,
We found the issue.  One of the Exchange 2003 servers is in DoubleTake's 
standby mode.  So I didn't check to see if msExchOwningPFTree was set for that 
server.  It in fact was empty and as soon as I took the steps outlined in the 
article below, we were able to see the public folders in OWA 2010.  I don't 
understand why Exchange 2010 would need that to be set but obviously it is 
necessary.  Thanks for your suggestions.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926207


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Re: Exchange 2010 Storage ...

[sms adm]

Ooops, left out some info.
We're looking into using DAG with 3 copies.
About 12,000 -14,000 users.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:46 PM, sms adm  wrote:

> We're transitioning from E2K3 to E2K10.
> Mailbox size will be a ten fold increase (from 100MB to 1GB).
> Presently we used EMC with a lot of high speed disk (15K and flash).
> Pretty complex environment using EMC Replication Mgr. and Recoverpoint.
>
> Exch 2010 is a different beast and can utilize lower cost disk.
>
> What are you using ... and why?
>
> Thx in advance
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Re: Exchange 2010 using DAG Backup?

[Jonathan Link]

The classic answer is, "that depends."

How many machines in your DAG?  Are you running a lagged copy on a member of
your DAG?  I may be drinking the Kool-Aid, but large enough organizations
could easily go without backups with the correct configuration.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:56 PM, sms adm  wrote:

> Exchange 2010 using DAG
> How do you do your backup?
>
> Thx in advance
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Re: Exchange 2010 using DAG Backup?

[sms adm]

3 servers, no lagged copies.

Thx

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> The classic answer is, "that depends."
>
> How many machines in your DAG?  Are you running a lagged copy on a member
> of your DAG?  I may be drinking the Kool-Aid, but large enough organizations
> could easily go without backups with the correct configuration.
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:56 PM, sms adm  wrote:
>
>> Exchange 2010 using DAG
>> How do you do your backup?
>>
>> Thx in advance
>>
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Re: Exchange 2010 using DAG Backup?

[Jonathan Link]

Ya know, you really don't provide a lot of feedback about your environment.
Or what your needs are.  And your need isn't as simple as "we need a
backup."
If I had a large enough environment, with some satellite offices, I'd think
really hard about not running a backup and running a lagged server in the
DAG.
I don't know if that will work for you, but it's something to consider.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM, sms adm  wrote:

> 3 servers, no lagged copies.
>
> Thx
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:
>
>> The classic answer is, "that depends."
>>
>> How many machines in your DAG?  Are you running a lagged copy on a member
>> of your DAG?  I may be drinking the Kool-Aid, but large enough organizations
>> could easily go without backups with the correct configuration.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:56 PM, sms adm  wrote:
>>
>>> Exchange 2010 using DAG
>>> How do you do your backup?
>>>
>>> Thx in advance
>>>
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Re: Exchange 2010 using DAG Backup?

[sms adm]

Two data centers, prod and secondary, connected by very large (50GB?)
network pipe.

Present environment:
2 FE servers, 2 BE servers in prod data center
2 BE "backup" servers in secondary data center (not actively running E2K3)
Data replicated to backup servers by EMC Replication Manager
Backup performed off the backed up data

Proposed environment (all in prod data center unless noted):
2 CAS/HUB servers fronted by Windows NLB or Hardware NLB
3 MB servers, 12000 mailboxes, 1 GB max mailbox size,
1 DAG, 3 copies.

We're struggling with the best way to setup backup/DR.
And storage (see other recent post).

I'm wondering what other people, who have migrated from E2K3 to E2K10) have
done in similar circumstances.
Need any other info?

Thx

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> Ya know, you really don't provide a lot of feedback about your
> environment.  Or what your needs are.  And your need isn't as simple as "we
> need a backup."
> If I had a large enough environment, with some satellite offices, I'd think
> really hard about not running a backup and running a lagged server in the
> DAG.
> I don't know if that will work for you, but it's something to consider.
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM, sms adm  wrote:
>
>> 3 servers, no lagged copies.
>>
>> Thx
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Jonathan Link 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The classic answer is, "that depends."
>>>
>>> How many machines in your DAG?  Are you running a lagged copy on a member
>>> of your DAG?  I may be drinking the Kool-Aid, but large enough organizations
>>> could easily go without backups with the correct configuration.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:56 PM, sms adm  wrote:
>>>
 Exchange 2010 using DAG
 How do you do your backup?

 Thx in advance

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FW: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

[Chris Pohlschneider]

Failed to mention that when trying to mount the store, I get the ID no: 
c1041724 error. I have tried following some articles that I found online to 
fix, but no luck.

From: Chris Pohlschneider
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:36 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Hello List,

I have an Exchange 2003 SP2 Enterprise DB that is not mounting. This is running 
on Windows Server 2003 Standard with SP2. Running the eseutil /mh states that 
the database is in a clean shutdown state. In the event viewer, I am getting 
errors for Event ID 494 and 454. Tried googling all of this and not really 
getting anywhere. We are basically running through a recovery server build on 
another piece of hardware to test out our procedures in case the production 
server fails. Any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris

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RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

[Michael B. Smith]

I am NOT going to go look those up. :) Post the event log errors for us. 
Sanitize as you need to.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Failed to mention that when trying to mount the store, I get the ID no: 
c1041724 error. I have tried following some articles that I found online to 
fix, but no luck.

From: Chris Pohlschneider
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:36 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
Hello List,

I have an Exchange 2003 SP2 Enterprise DB that is not mounting. This is running 
on Windows Server 2003 Standard with SP2. Running the eseutil /mh states that 
the database is in a clean shutdown state. In the event viewer, I am getting 
errors for Event ID 494 and 454. Tried googling all of this and not really 
getting anywhere. We are basically running through a recovery server build on 
another piece of hardware to test out our procedures in case the production 
server fails. Any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks,

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Re: Exchange 2010 using DAG Backup?

[Jonathan Link]

Based on my understanding of Exchange 2010, your environment is screaming
for JBOD boxes, and I'd run a DAG with a lagged copy at one of your sites.
I think you could realize some extensive storage savings on your SAN by
moving to a JBOD or two.  This is a problem you need to work through.
My first plan for migrating to Exchange 2010 involved budgeting for a class,
because of the big difference.  I really think you could benefit from the
class.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:23 PM, sms adm  wrote:

> Two data centers, prod and secondary, connected by very large (50GB?)
> network pipe.
>
> Present environment:
> 2 FE servers, 2 BE servers in prod data center
> 2 BE "backup" servers in secondary data center (not actively running E2K3)
> Data replicated to backup servers by EMC Replication Manager
> Backup performed off the backed up data
>
> Proposed environment (all in prod data center unless noted):
> 2 CAS/HUB servers fronted by Windows NLB or Hardware NLB
> 3 MB servers, 12000 mailboxes, 1 GB max mailbox size,
> 1 DAG, 3 copies.
>
> We're struggling with the best way to setup backup/DR.
> And storage (see other recent post).
>
> I'm wondering what other people, who have migrated from E2K3 to E2K10) have
> done in similar circumstances.
> Need any other info?
>
> Thx
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:
>
>> Ya know, you really don't provide a lot of feedback about your
>> environment.  Or what your needs are.  And your need isn't as simple as "we
>> need a backup."
>> If I had a large enough environment, with some satellite offices, I'd
>> think really hard about not running a backup and running a lagged server in
>> the DAG.
>> I don't know if that will work for you, but it's something to consider.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM, sms adm  wrote:
>>
>>> 3 servers, no lagged copies.
>>>
>>> Thx
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Jonathan Link 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The classic answer is, "that depends."

 How many machines in your DAG?  Are you running a lagged copy on a
 member of your DAG?  I may be drinking the Kool-Aid, but large enough
 organizations could easily go without backups with the correct
 configuration.

 On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:56 PM, sms adm  wrote:

> Exchange 2010 using DAG
> How do you do your backup?
>
> Thx in advance
>
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RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

[Chris Pohlschneider]

Event ID 494 Information Store (7692) First Storage Group: Database recovery 
failed with error -1216 because it encountered references to a database, 
'D:\ExchSrvr\mdbdata\priv1.edb', which is no longer present. The database was 
not brought to a Clean Shutdown state before it was removed (or possibly moved 
or renamed). The database engine will not permit recovery to complete for this 
instance until the missing database is re-instated. If the database is truly no 
longer available and no longer required, procedures for recovering from this 
error are available in the Microsoft Knowledge Base or by following the "more 
information" link at the bottom of this message.
Event ID 454 Information Store (7692) First Storage Group: Database 
recovery/restore failed with unexpected error -1216
Event ID 9518 Error 0xfb40 starting Storage Group 
/DC=com/DC=frenchoil/DC=ad/CN=Configuration/CN=Services/CN=Microsoft 
Exchange/CN=The French Oil Mill Machinery Company/CN=Administrative 
Groups/CN=First Administrative 
Group/CN=Servers/CN=FOSERVER/CN=InformationStore/CN=First Storage Group on the 
Microsoft Exchange Information Store.
Storage Group - Initialization of Jet failed.
Event ID 9175 The MAPI call 'OpenMsgStore' failed with the following error:
The Microsoft Exchange Server computer is not available.  Either there are 
network problems or the Microsoft Exchange Server computer is down for 
maintenance.
The MAPI provider failed.
Microsoft Exchange Server Information Store
ID no: 8004011d-0526-


From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:41 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

I am NOT going to go look those up. :) Post the event log errors for us. 
Sanitize as you need to.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Failed to mention that when trying to mount the store, I get the ID no: 
c1041724 error. I have tried following some articles that I found online to 
fix, but no luck.

From: Chris Pohlschneider
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:36 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
Hello List,

I have an Exchange 2003 SP2 Enterprise DB that is not mounting. This is running 
on Windows Server 2003 Standard with SP2. Running the eseutil /mh states that 
the database is in a clean shutdown state. In the event viewer, I am getting 
errors for Event ID 494 and 454. Tried googling all of this and not really 
getting anywhere. We are basically running through a recovery server build on 
another piece of hardware to test out our procedures in case the production 
server fails. Any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris

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Re: Exchange 2010 using DAG Backup?

[sms adm]

Working on that as we speak

Thx

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> Based on my understanding of Exchange 2010, your environment is screaming
> for JBOD boxes, and I'd run a DAG with a lagged copy at one of your sites.
> I think you could realize some extensive storage savings on your SAN by
> moving to a JBOD or two.  This is a problem you need to work through.
> My first plan for migrating to Exchange 2010 involved budgeting for a
> class, because of the big difference.  I really think you could benefit from
> the class.
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:23 PM, sms adm  wrote:
>
>> Two data centers, prod and secondary, connected by very large (50GB?)
>> network pipe.
>>
>> Present environment:
>> 2 FE servers, 2 BE servers in prod data center
>> 2 BE "backup" servers in secondary data center (not actively running E2K3)
>> Data replicated to backup servers by EMC Replication Manager
>> Backup performed off the backed up data
>>
>> Proposed environment (all in prod data center unless noted):
>> 2 CAS/HUB servers fronted by Windows NLB or Hardware NLB
>> 3 MB servers, 12000 mailboxes, 1 GB max mailbox size,
>> 1 DAG, 3 copies.
>>
>> We're struggling with the best way to setup backup/DR.
>> And storage (see other recent post).
>>
>> I'm wondering what other people, who have migrated from E2K3 to E2K10)
>> have done in similar circumstances.
>> Need any other info?
>>
>> Thx
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Jonathan Link 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ya know, you really don't provide a lot of feedback about your
>>> environment.  Or what your needs are.  And your need isn't as simple as "we
>>> need a backup."
>>> If I had a large enough environment, with some satellite offices, I'd
>>> think really hard about not running a backup and running a lagged server in
>>> the DAG.
>>> I don't know if that will work for you, but it's something to consider.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM, sms adm  wrote:
>>>
 3 servers, no lagged copies.

 Thx

 On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Jonathan Link >>> > wrote:

> The classic answer is, "that depends."
>
> How many machines in your DAG?  Are you running a lagged copy on a
> member of your DAG?  I may be drinking the Kool-Aid, but large enough
> organizations could easily go without backups with the correct
> configuration.
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:56 PM, sms adm  wrote:
>
>> Exchange 2010 using DAG
>> How do you do your backup?
>>
>> Thx in advance
>>
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RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

[Robinson, Chuck]

Have you run out of Exchange Log sequence numbers?

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;830408


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From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Failed to mention that when trying to mount the store, I get the ID no: 
c1041724 error. I have tried following some articles that I found online to 
fix, but no luck.

From: Chris Pohlschneider
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:36 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
Hello List,

I have an Exchange 2003 SP2 Enterprise DB that is not mounting. This is running 
on Windows Server 2003 Standard with SP2. Running the eseutil /mh states that 
the database is in a clean shutdown state. In the event viewer, I am getting 
errors for Event ID 494 and 454. Tried googling all of this and not really 
getting anywhere. We are basically running through a recovery server build on 
another piece of hardware to test out our procedures in case the production 
server fails. Any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris

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RE: Exchange 2010 using DAG Backup?

[Beckers, Shawn (IT Services)]

Apologies for hijacking this thread, but this reminds me of a statement made to 
me by a consultant that I've been meaning to verify.  I mentioned to him that I 
was seriously considering using lagged copies to replace our current tape 
backups.  He told me that he had heard there were 'serious issues' concerning 
restores using lagged copies and that MS itself does not use lagged copies as a 
backup replacement because of this.  He then went on to say that he had heard 
MS was considering removing the ability to create lagged copies in a future 
version of Exchange and/or recommend the practice no longer be used as a backup 
replacement.

I find this hard to believe, but figured I'd ask those on the list that may 
have a little more insight.


To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 using DAG Backup?

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Jonathan Link 
mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ya know, you really don't provide a lot of feedback about your environment.  Or 
what your needs are.  And your need isn't as simple as "we need a backup."
If I had a large enough environment, with some satellite offices, I'd think 
really hard about not running a backup and running a lagged server in the DAG.
I don't know if that will work for you, but it's something to consider.
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM, sms adm 
mailto:sms...@gmail.com>> wrote:
3 servers, no lagged copies.

Thx

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Jonathan Link 
mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The classic answer is, "that depends."

How many machines in your DAG?  Are you running a lagged copy on a member of 
your DAG?  I may be drinking the Kool-Aid, but large enough organizations could 
easily go without backups with the correct configuration.
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:56 PM, sms adm 
mailto:sms...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Exchange 2010 using DAG
How do you do your backup?

Thx in advance

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RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

[Chris Pohlschneider]

I don't believe so. I ran the Exchange Troubleshooting Assistant and it said 
that I had no database related issues. Put in time range of 480 minutes, so 
that should be a large enough span to check this out.

From: Robinson, Chuck [chuck.robin...@emc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:53 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Have you run out of Exchange Log sequence numbers?

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;830408


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From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Failed to mention that when trying to mount the store, I get the ID no: 
c1041724 error. I have tried following some articles that I found online to 
fix, but no luck.

From: Chris Pohlschneider
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:36 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
Hello List,

I have an Exchange 2003 SP2 Enterprise DB that is not mounting. This is running 
on Windows Server 2003 Standard with SP2. Running the eseutil /mh states that 
the database is in a clean shutdown state. In the event viewer, I am getting 
errors for Event ID 494 and 454. Tried googling all of this and not really 
getting anywhere. We are basically running through a recovery server build on 
another piece of hardware to test out our procedures in case the production 
server fails. Any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris

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RE: Exchange 2010 using DAG Backup?

[Michael B. Smith]

There are not "serious issues" with it. Anything that requires manual recovery 
requires extra care. That applies to using lagged copies for a recovery 
mechanism. However, lagged copies as a feature can be viewed as a "solution 
looking for a problem".

Lagged copies were one of the earliest features of E14 to be implemented (most 
of the ESE work gets done early in the development cycle, this is on purpose). 
And at that point, it made good sense. And MSIT used lagged copies as one of 
the ways to avoid making backups (along with multiple DAG copies, etc. etc.).

However, as development went on, SingleItemRecovery got implemented, and 
lo-and-behold - it can provide the same protection as a lagged copy, plus the 
user interface is trivial, plus it can also remove "plausible deniability" in a 
couple of situations without requiring a database restore.

So... MSIT switched over to SingleItemRecovery and that's what MSFT recommends.

I literally am not aware of a single company that has implemented lagged copies 
- and stuck with the feature. SingleItemRecovery costs a few percent more disk. 
But disk is cheap - especially when compared to the cost of an Exchange 
Recovery Specialist's time.

So...I have no idea if MSFT will continue supporting lagged copies in the 
future, or not. But if people aren't using a feature, and it's expensive to 
support - well, I'd remove it so I could spend my development and support 
resources elsewhere.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Beckers, Shawn (IT Services) [mailto:sbeck...@csbsju.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:02 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 using DAG Backup?

Apologies for hijacking this thread, but this reminds me of a statement made to 
me by a consultant that I've been meaning to verify.  I mentioned to him that I 
was seriously considering using lagged copies to replace our current tape 
backups.  He told me that he had heard there were 'serious issues' concerning 
restores using lagged copies and that MS itself does not use lagged copies as a 
backup replacement because of this.  He then went on to say that he had heard 
MS was considering removing the ability to create lagged copies in a future 
version of Exchange and/or recommend the practice no longer be used as a backup 
replacement.

I find this hard to believe, but figured I'd ask those on the list that may 
have a little more insight.


To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 using DAG Backup?

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Jonathan Link 
mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ya know, you really don't provide a lot of feedback about your environment.  Or 
what your needs are.  And your need isn't as simple as "we need a backup."
If I had a large enough environment, with some satellite offices, I'd think 
really hard about not running a backup and running a lagged server in the DAG.
I don't know if that will work for you, but it's something to consider.
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM, sms adm 
mailto:sms...@gmail.com>> wrote:
3 servers, no lagged copies.

Thx

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Jonathan Link 
mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The classic answer is, "that depends."

How many machines in your DAG?  Are you running a lagged copy on a member of 
your DAG?  I may be drinking the Kool-Aid, but large enough organizations could 
easily go without backups with the correct configuration.
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:56 PM, sms adm 
mailto:sms...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Exchange 2010 using DAG
How do you do your backup?

Thx in advance

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RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

[Michael B. Smith]

Is the disk layout on the recovery server exactly the same as it is on the 
source server? If not, you've got to specify a lot of extra switches to eseutil 
and run a recovery whether you want to, or not.

Generally, it's easier to match the disk layouts.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:51 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Event ID 494 Information Store (7692) First Storage Group: Database recovery 
failed with error -1216 because it encountered references to a database, 
'D:\ExchSrvr\mdbdata\priv1.edb', which is no longer present. The database was 
not brought to a Clean Shutdown state before it was removed (or possibly moved 
or renamed). The database engine will not permit recovery to complete for this 
instance until the missing database is re-instated. If the database is truly no 
longer available and no longer required, procedures for recovering from this 
error are available in the Microsoft Knowledge Base or by following the "more 
information" link at the bottom of this message.
Event ID 454 Information Store (7692) First Storage Group: Database 
recovery/restore failed with unexpected error -1216
Event ID 9518 Error 0xfb40 starting Storage Group 
/DC=com/DC=frenchoil/DC=ad/CN=Configuration/CN=Services/CN=Microsoft 
Exchange/CN=The French Oil Mill Machinery Company/CN=Administrative 
Groups/CN=First Administrative 
Group/CN=Servers/CN=FOSERVER/CN=InformationStore/CN=First Storage Group on the 
Microsoft Exchange Information Store.
Storage Group - Initialization of Jet failed.
Event ID 9175 The MAPI call 'OpenMsgStore' failed with the following error:
The Microsoft Exchange Server computer is not available.  Either there are 
network problems or the Microsoft Exchange Server computer is down for 
maintenance.
The MAPI provider failed.
Microsoft Exchange Server Information Store
ID no: 8004011d-0526-


From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:41 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
I am NOT going to go look those up. :) Post the event log errors for us. 
Sanitize as you need to.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Failed to mention that when trying to mount the store, I get the ID no: 
c1041724 error. I have tried following some articles that I found online to 
fix, but no luck.

From: Chris Pohlschneider
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:36 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
Hello List,

I have an Exchange 2003 SP2 Enterprise DB that is not mounting. This is running 
on Windows Server 2003 Standard with SP2. Running the eseutil /mh states that 
the database is in a clean shutdown state. In the event viewer, I am getting 
errors for Event ID 494 and 454. Tried googling all of this and not really 
getting anywhere. We are basically running through a recovery server build on 
another piece of hardware to test out our procedures in case the production 
server fails. Any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris

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RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

[Chris Pohlschneider]

The disk layout is not exactly the way that it is on the source server. What is 
the recommendations to run the eseutil restore in this particular scenario?

From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:28 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Is the disk layout on the recovery server exactly the same as it is on the 
source server? If not, you’ve got to specify a lot of extra switches to eseutil 
and run a recovery whether you want to, or not.

Generally, it’s easier to match the disk layouts.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:51 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Event ID 494 Information Store (7692) First Storage Group: Database recovery 
failed with error -1216 because it encountered references to a database, 
'D:\ExchSrvr\mdbdata\priv1.edb', which is no longer present. The database was 
not brought to a Clean Shutdown state before it was removed (or possibly moved 
or renamed). The database engine will not permit recovery to complete for this 
instance until the missing database is re-instated. If the database is truly no 
longer available and no longer required, procedures for recovering from this 
error are available in the Microsoft Knowledge Base or by following the "more 
information" link at the bottom of this message.
Event ID 454 Information Store (7692) First Storage Group: Database 
recovery/restore failed with unexpected error -1216
Event ID 9518 Error 0xfb40 starting Storage Group 
/DC=com/DC=frenchoil/DC=ad/CN=Configuration/CN=Services/CN=Microsoft 
Exchange/CN=The French Oil Mill Machinery Company/CN=Administrative 
Groups/CN=First Administrative 
Group/CN=Servers/CN=FOSERVER/CN=InformationStore/CN=First Storage Group on the 
Microsoft Exchange Information Store.
Storage Group - Initialization of Jet failed.
Event ID 9175 The MAPI call 'OpenMsgStore' failed with the following error:
The Microsoft Exchange Server computer is not available.  Either there are 
network problems or the Microsoft Exchange Server computer is down for 
maintenance.
The MAPI provider failed.
Microsoft Exchange Server Information Store
ID no: 8004011d-0526-


From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:41 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
I am NOT going to go look those up. :) Post the event log errors for us. 
Sanitize as you need to.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Failed to mention that when trying to mount the store, I get the ID no: 
c1041724 error. I have tried following some articles that I found online to 
fix, but no luck.

From: Chris Pohlschneider
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:36 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
Hello List,

I have an Exchange 2003 SP2 Enterprise DB that is not mounting. This is running 
on Windows Server 2003 Standard with SP2. Running the eseutil /mh states that 
the database is in a clean shutdown state. In the event viewer, I am getting 
errors for Event ID 494 and 454. Tried googling all of this and not really 
getting anywhere. We are basically running through a recovery server build on 
another piece of hardware to test out our procedures in case the production 
server fails. Any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris

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RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

[Michael B. Smith]

Does the file 'D:\ExchSrvr\mdbdata\priv1.edb' exist? Is the CHK file in the 
same place on both servers? Are all the log and edb files in the same place on 
both servers?

Those errors are pretty specific and generally accurate.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:31 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

The disk layout is not exactly the way that it is on the source server. What is 
the recommendations to run the eseutil restore in this particular scenario?

From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:28 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
Is the disk layout on the recovery server exactly the same as it is on the 
source server? If not, you've got to specify a lot of extra switches to eseutil 
and run a recovery whether you want to, or not.

Generally, it's easier to match the disk layouts.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:51 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Event ID 494 Information Store (7692) First Storage Group: Database recovery 
failed with error -1216 because it encountered references to a database, 
'D:\ExchSrvr\mdbdata\priv1.edb', which is no longer present. The database was 
not brought to a Clean Shutdown state before it was removed (or possibly moved 
or renamed). The database engine will not permit recovery to complete for this 
instance until the missing database is re-instated. If the database is truly no 
longer available and no longer required, procedures for recovering from this 
error are available in the Microsoft Knowledge Base or by following the "more 
information" link at the bottom of this message.
Event ID 454 Information Store (7692) First Storage Group: Database 
recovery/restore failed with unexpected error -1216
Event ID 9518 Error 0xfb40 starting Storage Group 
/DC=com/DC=frenchoil/DC=ad/CN=Configuration/CN=Services/CN=Microsoft 
Exchange/CN=The French Oil Mill Machinery Company/CN=Administrative 
Groups/CN=First Administrative 
Group/CN=Servers/CN=FOSERVER/CN=InformationStore/CN=First Storage Group on the 
Microsoft Exchange Information Store.
Storage Group - Initialization of Jet failed.
Event ID 9175 The MAPI call 'OpenMsgStore' failed with the following error:
The Microsoft Exchange Server computer is not available.  Either there are 
network problems or the Microsoft Exchange Server computer is down for 
maintenance.
The MAPI provider failed.
Microsoft Exchange Server Information Store
ID no: 8004011d-0526-


From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:41 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
I am NOT going to go look those up. :) Post the event log errors for us. 
Sanitize as you need to.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Failed to mention that when trying to mount the store, I get the ID no: 
c1041724 error. I have tried following some articles that I found online to 
fix, but no luck.

From: Chris Pohlschneider
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:36 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
Hello List,

I have an Exchange 2003 SP2 Enterprise DB that is not mounting. This is running 
on Windows Server 2003 Standard with SP2. Running the eseutil /mh states that 
the database is in a clean shutdown state. In the event viewer, I am getting 
errors for Event ID 494 and 454. Tried googling all of this and not really 
getting anywhere. We are basically running through a recovery server build on 
another piece of hardware to test out our procedures in case the production 
server fails. Any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris

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RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

[Chris Pohlschneider]

Yes, I made sure the DB and log files are in the same place on each server. 
Also verified that the recovery server has the same ip address, servername, 
etc..

From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:37 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Does the file 'D:\ExchSrvr\mdbdata\priv1.edb' exist? Is the CHK file in the 
same place on both servers? Are all the log and edb files in the same place on 
both servers?

Those errors are pretty specific and generally accurate.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:31 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

The disk layout is not exactly the way that it is on the source server. What is 
the recommendations to run the eseutil restore in this particular scenario?

From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:28 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
Is the disk layout on the recovery server exactly the same as it is on the 
source server? If not, you’ve got to specify a lot of extra switches to eseutil 
and run a recovery whether you want to, or not.

Generally, it’s easier to match the disk layouts.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:51 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Event ID 494 Information Store (7692) First Storage Group: Database recovery 
failed with error -1216 because it encountered references to a database, 
'D:\ExchSrvr\mdbdata\priv1.edb', which is no longer present. The database was 
not brought to a Clean Shutdown state before it was removed (or possibly moved 
or renamed). The database engine will not permit recovery to complete for this 
instance until the missing database is re-instated. If the database is truly no 
longer available and no longer required, procedures for recovering from this 
error are available in the Microsoft Knowledge Base or by following the "more 
information" link at the bottom of this message.
Event ID 454 Information Store (7692) First Storage Group: Database 
recovery/restore failed with unexpected error -1216
Event ID 9518 Error 0xfb40 starting Storage Group 
/DC=com/DC=frenchoil/DC=ad/CN=Configuration/CN=Services/CN=Microsoft 
Exchange/CN=The French Oil Mill Machinery Company/CN=Administrative 
Groups/CN=First Administrative 
Group/CN=Servers/CN=FOSERVER/CN=InformationStore/CN=First Storage Group on the 
Microsoft Exchange Information Store.
Storage Group - Initialization of Jet failed.
Event ID 9175 The MAPI call 'OpenMsgStore' failed with the following error:
The Microsoft Exchange Server computer is not available.  Either there are 
network problems or the Microsoft Exchange Server computer is down for 
maintenance.
The MAPI provider failed.
Microsoft Exchange Server Information Store
ID no: 8004011d-0526-


From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:41 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
I am NOT going to go look those up. :) Post the event log errors for us. 
Sanitize as you need to.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Failed to mention that when trying to mount the store, I get the ID no: 
c1041724 error. I have tried following some articles that I found online to 
fix, but no luck.

From: Chris Pohlschneider
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:36 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
Hello List,

I have an Exchange 2003 SP2 Enterprise DB that is not mounting. This is running 
on Windows Server 2003 Standard with SP2. Running the e

RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

[Chris Pohlschneider]

This is basically an image of the production server that I took and restored 
the image to similar hardware with a similar RAID controller. Not the best 
approach, but the customer does not have a lot of funds and they want to be 
able to function if their production box is down. So I am trying to make 
something work with the hardware that they have.

From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:37 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Does the file 'D:\ExchSrvr\mdbdata\priv1.edb' exist? Is the CHK file in the 
same place on both servers? Are all the log and edb files in the same place on 
both servers?

Those errors are pretty specific and generally accurate.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:31 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

The disk layout is not exactly the way that it is on the source server. What is 
the recommendations to run the eseutil restore in this particular scenario?

From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:28 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
Is the disk layout on the recovery server exactly the same as it is on the 
source server? If not, you’ve got to specify a lot of extra switches to eseutil 
and run a recovery whether you want to, or not.

Generally, it’s easier to match the disk layouts.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:51 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Event ID 494 Information Store (7692) First Storage Group: Database recovery 
failed with error -1216 because it encountered references to a database, 
'D:\ExchSrvr\mdbdata\priv1.edb', which is no longer present. The database was 
not brought to a Clean Shutdown state before it was removed (or possibly moved 
or renamed). The database engine will not permit recovery to complete for this 
instance until the missing database is re-instated. If the database is truly no 
longer available and no longer required, procedures for recovering from this 
error are available in the Microsoft Knowledge Base or by following the "more 
information" link at the bottom of this message.
Event ID 454 Information Store (7692) First Storage Group: Database 
recovery/restore failed with unexpected error -1216
Event ID 9518 Error 0xfb40 starting Storage Group 
/DC=com/DC=frenchoil/DC=ad/CN=Configuration/CN=Services/CN=Microsoft 
Exchange/CN=The French Oil Mill Machinery Company/CN=Administrative 
Groups/CN=First Administrative 
Group/CN=Servers/CN=FOSERVER/CN=InformationStore/CN=First Storage Group on the 
Microsoft Exchange Information Store.
Storage Group - Initialization of Jet failed.
Event ID 9175 The MAPI call 'OpenMsgStore' failed with the following error:
The Microsoft Exchange Server computer is not available.  Either there are 
network problems or the Microsoft Exchange Server computer is down for 
maintenance.
The MAPI provider failed.
Microsoft Exchange Server Information Store
ID no: 8004011d-0526-


From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:41 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
I am NOT going to go look those up. :) Post the event log errors for us. 
Sanitize as you need to.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Failed to mention that when trying to mount the store, I get the ID no: 
c1041724 error. I have tried following some articles that I found online to 
fix, but no luck.

From: Chris Pohlschneider
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:36 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin I

RE: Exchange 2010 using DAG Backup?

[Sobey, Richard A]

I've only ever seen lagged copies talked about as methods to avoid transaction 
log corruption leading to corrupt database copies. The idea being you can 
identify the approximate time your database became corrupted and, well, what 
then?

We use a simple one active one passive solution and backup the passive copy 
nightly. We're protected against hardware and/or datacenter failure.

As an aside, I'm curious - does anyone here use more than three database 
copies? I'd be interested to hear reasons for it from a risk management vs cost 
perspective, rather than just "because we can".

Cheers

Richard

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RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

[Michael B. Smith]

Something, somewhere, is in the wrong place. That's why you are getting the 
-1216 error. The others are downstream errors. You can work around it (see KBs 
below), but it  would be a much better idea to fix it.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/810198
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/264228

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:45 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

This is basically an image of the production server that I took and restored 
the image to similar hardware with a similar RAID controller. Not the best 
approach, but the customer does not have a lot of funds and they want to be 
able to function if their production box is down. So I am trying to make 
something work with the hardware that they have.

From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:37 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
Does the file 'D:\ExchSrvr\mdbdata\priv1.edb' exist? Is the CHK file in the 
same place on both servers? Are all the log and edb files in the same place on 
both servers?

Those errors are pretty specific and generally accurate.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:31 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

The disk layout is not exactly the way that it is on the source server. What is 
the recommendations to run the eseutil restore in this particular scenario?

From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:28 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
Is the disk layout on the recovery server exactly the same as it is on the 
source server? If not, you've got to specify a lot of extra switches to eseutil 
and run a recovery whether you want to, or not.

Generally, it's easier to match the disk layouts.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:cpohlschnei...@smsprotech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:51 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting

Event ID 494 Information Store (7692) First Storage Group: Database recovery 
failed with error -1216 because it encountered references to a database, 
'D:\ExchSrvr\mdbdata\priv1.edb', which is no longer present. The database was 
not brought to a Clean Shutdown state before it was removed (or possibly moved 
or renamed). The database engine will not permit recovery to complete for this 
instance until the missing database is re-instated. If the database is truly no 
longer available and no longer required, procedures for recovering from this 
error are available in the Microsoft Knowledge Base or by following the "more 
information" link at the bottom of this message.
Event ID 454 Information Store (7692) First Storage Group: Database 
recovery/restore failed with unexpected error -1216
Event ID 9518 Error 0xfb40 starting Storage Group 
/DC=com/DC=frenchoil/DC=ad/CN=Configuration/CN=Services/CN=Microsoft 
Exchange/CN=The French Oil Mill Machinery Company/CN=Administrative 
Groups/CN=First Administrative 
Group/CN=Servers/CN=FOSERVER/CN=InformationStore/CN=First Storage Group on the 
Microsoft Exchange Information Store.
Storage Group - Initialization of Jet failed.
Event ID 9175 The MAPI call 'OpenMsgStore' failed with the following error:
The Microsoft Exchange Server computer is not available.  Either there are 
network problems or the Microsoft Exchange Server computer is down for 
maintenance.
The MAPI provider failed.
Microsoft Exchange Server Information Store
ID no: 8004011d-0526-


From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:41 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 DB Not Mounting
I am NOT going to go look those up. :) Post the event log errors for us. 
Sanitize as you need to.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

Password policies

[Steve Hart]

Is anything in Exchange 2007 affected by changing domain password policies?  We 
will setting all of our domain passwords (including administrative accounts)  
on a forced 90 day change cycle. Is there anything in need to watch for in 
Exchange?




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RE: Password policies

[Michael B. Smith]

Sure. All mailbox user's passwords. :)

Otherwise, no.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Steve Hart [mailto:sh...@wrightbg.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 6:41 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Password policies

Is anything in Exchange 2007 affected by changing domain password policies?  We 
will setting all of our domain passwords (including administrative accounts)  
on a forced 90 day change cycle. Is there anything in need to watch for in 
Exchange?




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RE: How fragmentation on incorrectly formatted NTFS volumes affects Exchange

[Sharp, Kevin]

I've read this post which reinforced my thought that we have to 64K 
allocation unit size.  I remember using disk utilities years ago to do a 
partition alignment.Is there any need to for this under Exchange 2010 or is 
a simple format with 64K good enough?  



Thanks

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: How fragmentation on incorrectly formatted NTFS volumes affects 
Exchange

A very technical but very informative post by escalation engineer Mike Lagase.



I will be blogging this (with my elucidatory comments and opinions) later, but 
it's a great read.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com



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RE: Password policies

[Steve Hart]

Thanks for the quick reply Michael.

Steve (The paranoid dude)



Steve Hart
Network Administrator
503.491.4343 -Direct | 503.492.8160 - Fax

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:44 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Password policies

Sure. All mailbox user's passwords. :)

Otherwise, no.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Steve Hart [mailto:sh...@wrightbg.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 6:41 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Password policies

Is anything in Exchange 2007 affected by changing domain password policies?  We 
will setting all of our domain passwords (including administrative accounts)  
on a forced 90 day change cycle. Is there anything in need to watch for in 
Exchange?




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RE: How fragmentation on incorrectly formatted NTFS volumes affects Exchange

[Michael B. Smith]

If you are installing on a device that was formatted on Win2008 or Win2008R2, 
it is automatically aligned to a 1MB boundary; so the 64K format is enough.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Sharp, Kevin [mailto:kevin.sh...@usask.ca] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 6:44 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How fragmentation on incorrectly formatted NTFS volumes affects 
Exchange

I've read this post which reinforced my thought that we have to 64K 
allocation unit size.  I remember using disk utilities years ago to do a 
partition alignment.Is there any need to for this under Exchange 2010 or is 
a simple format with 64K good enough?  



Thanks

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: How fragmentation on incorrectly formatted NTFS volumes affects 
Exchange

A very technical but very informative post by escalation engineer Mike Lagase.



I will be blogging this (with my elucidatory comments and opinions) later, but 
it's a great read.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com



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RE: Exchange 2010 using DAG Backup?

[Beckers, Shawn (IT Services)]

Thanks for the reply, Michael.  We have implemented single item recovery and it 
has eliminated the need to perform restores from tape in order to recover 
individual items for users.  However, as we lack a 2nd site, we still need to 
perform backups for disaster recovery purposes.  Your words of wisdom lead me 
to believe I should stick with those for the foreseeable future.


From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:27 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 using DAG Backup?

There are not "serious issues" with it. Anything that requires manual recovery 
requires extra care. That applies to using lagged copies for a recovery 
mechanism. However, lagged copies as a feature can be viewed as a "solution 
looking for a problem".

Lagged copies were one of the earliest features of E14 to be implemented (most 
of the ESE work gets done early in the development cycle, this is on purpose). 
And at that point, it made good sense. And MSIT used lagged copies as one of 
the ways to avoid making backups (along with multiple DAG copies, etc. etc.).

However, as development went on, SingleItemRecovery got implemented, and 
lo-and-behold - it can provide the same protection as a lagged copy, plus the 
user interface is trivial, plus it can also remove "plausible deniability" in a 
couple of situations without requiring a database restore.

So... MSIT switched over to SingleItemRecovery and that's what MSFT recommends.

I literally am not aware of a single company that has implemented lagged copies 
- and stuck with the feature. SingleItemRecovery costs a few percent more disk. 
But disk is cheap - especially when compared to the cost of an Exchange 
Recovery Specialist's time.

So...I have no idea if MSFT will continue supporting lagged copies in the 
future, or not. But if people aren't using a feature, and it's expensive to 
support - well, I'd remove it so I could spend my development and support 
resources elsewhere.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Beckers, Shawn (IT Services) [mailto:sbeck...@csbsju.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:02 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 using DAG Backup?

Apologies for hijacking this thread, but this reminds me of a statement made to 
me by a consultant that I've been meaning to verify.  I mentioned to him that I 
was seriously considering using lagged copies to replace our current tape 
backups.  He told me that he had heard there were 'serious issues' concerning 
restores using lagged copies and that MS itself does not use lagged copies as a 
backup replacement because of this.  He then went on to say that he had heard 
MS was considering removing the ability to create lagged copies in a future 
version of Exchange and/or recommend the practice no longer be used as a backup 
replacement.

I find this hard to believe, but figured I'd ask those on the list that may 
have a little more insight.


To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 using DAG Backup?

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Jonathan Link 
mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ya know, you really don't provide a lot of feedback about your environment.  Or 
what your needs are.  And your need isn't as simple as "we need a backup."
If I had a large enough environment, with some satellite offices, I'd think 
really hard about not running a backup and running a lagged server in the DAG.
I don't know if that will work for you, but it's something to consider.
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM, sms adm 
mailto:sms...@gmail.com>> wrote:
3 servers, no lagged copies.

Thx

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Jonathan Link 
mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The classic answer is, "that depends."

How many machines in your DAG?  Are you running a lagged copy on a member of 
your DAG?  I may be drinking the Kool-Aid, but large enough organizations could 
easily go without backups with the correct configuration.
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:56 PM, sms adm 
mailto:sms...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Exchange 2010 using DAG
How do you do your backup?

Thx in advance

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Unsolved Forwarding Issue

[Eric]

I am trying to help a small organization move to a hosted Exchange
environment.  As part of the process we are trying to setup forwarding on
the mailboxes that have been moved to the new environment.  If I setup
forwarding to an internal mailbox on our Exchange server, forwarding works.
Once I configure the mailbox to forward to an external address (
u...@hostedaddress.com) and send from an external address the forwarding
fails.  But if I send from an internal mailbox, it forwards to the
externally hosted address.  I get the following error from the SMTP logs for
externally sent email:

550+5.7.1+Unable+to+relay+for+user@ hostedaddress.com

The logs show the initial SMTP connection from my external domain and then
another connection frowarding/relaying to the hosted addresses.  I am not
sure if this is normal for Exchange SMTP logs so hopefully someone else has
seen this possibly.

I didn't design the system and unfortunately the admin doesn't seem to
"remember" many of the details of the design.  They are using a Barracuda
firewall/spam filter device which I've never personally used and don't have
access to yet.

Any help or ideas would be greatful so I can get this project completed soon
hopefully :)

Thank You,
Eric

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